Why do Irish people support English teams?

twowheelsonly · 10-03-2019 4:45pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Compare to the start Cork made the year they won.

And, in my opinion, it's very much on topic.

That's just silly trolling.. Why aren't Arsenal known as The Invincibles same as they were in 2003/04 ? No team is EVER going to break records every season. Doesn't mean they can't be consistent.

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Can't bring your car though.

Fellas that fly into London / Manchester / Liverpool can't bring their cars either and only a fraction of those that go to matches by ferry bring their cars in my experience.

ToddyDoody · 10-03-2019 4:48pm

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Fellas that fly into London / Manchester / Liverpool can't bring their cars either and only a fraction of those that go to matches by ferry bring their cars in my experience.

Nice to have the option though.

imme · 10-03-2019 4:50pm

mikemac2 wrote: »

Coventry should have a huge following but they don’t. Leyton Orient in the east end of London too. Birmingham most of all

Admit it’s more to do with who is fashionable and succussful. The generation before had far more Leeds fans than the generation of today

Yes, you've proved my point, it is historic.

The Irish population in Coventry and Birmingham in the 1940s/1950s era was phenomenal.

It has since been displaced by people from the East.

Limpy · 10-03-2019 4:54pm

Idols. Growing up playing with friends we'd always pretend to be such and such a player. Usually said player, Irish or otherwise played in the Premier league. So it's simple as that.

Achasanai · 10-03-2019 7:02pm

I really don't think there's much of a link with 'historic' ties to certain teams. For example, I had never met a Chelsea fan when I was growing up, but there are a fair few around now, usually people whose interest in the game corresponded with how well the team were doing in the 2000s. It's why you see so few young Liverpool fans nowadays, and why Manchester City fans are making a reappearance (after a good few decades in the wilderness). Leeds fans in the 70s (none now), Arsenal fans only making appearance in the late 80s and again in the 2000s. There were even a few Everton fans when I was in school, but usually a year or two later (they got into football in the mid 80s when Everton were doing well).

RobMc59 · 10-03-2019 7:15pm

I was on holiday in bundoran sometime ago,one evening in the pub people started coming in wearing man utd shirts-they were playing that night and it was on tv,next night it was liverpools turn-fans in lfc shirts-I was excited the following evening as everton were playing-i went to the pub...and no one turned up and it wasn't on the telly!:(

trashcan · 10-03-2019 8:04pm

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Because many counties don't have any team in the League of Ireland - who is someone from Cavan, Mayo or Kerry going to cheer for?

Well, Man U or Liverpool clearly

Listen, people can support whoever they want. No LOI fan will say any different. I just wish people would stop with the mental gymnastics though. Admit it, you follow big English sides because it's more glamorous, they are successful (everyone loves a winner) and above all, it's easy.

Stacksofwacks · 10-03-2019 8:10pm

Only teams I support is my own county team and the Irish national teams in Rugby and soccer. I did have an affinity for Everton in my younger days but I got bored as they hardly ever win anything. I guess we follow teams who are either close to our identity or teams that are really successful. The English premier league is the most succesful/popular league in the world where all the money and glamour is so thats why i assume many Irish people support various teams in it.

Stacksofwacks · 10-03-2019 8:16pm

..but the only team where I would truly emotionally invested is my county team(Waterford hurlers) where I would actually be gutted for a few days if they lost a big game, everything else it wouldnt bother me at all

lbc2019 · 10-03-2019 8:20pm

ToddyDoody wrote: »

You can't get the ferry to Spain.

You can Cork to Santander

andekwarhola · 10-03-2019 9:24pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

You're speaking from inside the wall though. Of course you're not going to agree with it.

To be fair, from reading your posts on the site, you come across as a perfect candidate for consistently taking umbrage at perceived cliques in nearly every walk of life.

The thread has really turned into a bit of a mess, both sides of the debate, but I'd honestly say LOI would be a friendly enough place generally for new supporters that show a genuine interest.

Like any other live sport/code in Ireland, I would imagine.

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-03-2019 9:25pm

andekwarhola wrote: »

To be fair, from reading your posts on the site, you come across as a good candidate for taking umbrage at perceived cliques in nearly every walk of life.

The thread has really turned into a bit of a mess, both sides of the debate, but I'd honestly say LOI would be a friendly enough place generally for new supporters that show a genuine interest.

Like any other live sport in Ireland, I would imagine.

True, cliques are the worst.

rm75 · 10-03-2019 9:30pm

Tis entertainment, little different than going to a concert or the theatre. Sure i could watch some play in my local theatre but the standard will be higher in the west end.

Obviously you'll get the snobs. When i was younger i could probably have been called a music snobs, these days i'm pretty indifferent. Watch what ever you enjoy whether thats Real Madrid or Swilly Rovers.

The Lost Sheep · 10-03-2019 9:47pm

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Plenty of people watch it, nowhere near enough IMO but there's still a decent enough number of regulars. The GAA league is a joke BTW. Check out the attendances there at some of the less attractive games. Championship is where it's at and that ties in nicely with the Event Junkie theory.

GAA league isnt a joke but the way the GAA system/season is set up of course attendances wont be huge by and large. Everything in season for hurling/football teams is built around momentum and crowds build from provincial championships/run in qualifiers.
That isnt event junkie more its about premier event first and foremost

Pro rugby decimated the AIL though. The top competition in this country was practically demoted to nothing by the establishment of these 'provincial club sides'.

Professional rugby didnt decimate the AIL. The Celtic League now Pro14 was what decimated the AIL and it took a few years for that league to really over take the AIL and club rugby as first two seasons of celtic league the competition finished by middle of December/very start of February. And pro rugby was up and running 5 years before that started. And even at that it was another few years before AIL really began to have issues

To say that Kerry people won't support Cork City just shows that you don't have a clue. Plenty of Kerry people do. Killarney Celtic run busses for supporters a few times a year and bring gangs of kids to the 'Cross - and they love it. They've even played in the half-time kids games. Likewise with Tipperary, plenty coming down regularly from Cashel and Clonmel.

Saying plenty is a bit much. There would be some from Clonmel going to Cork for the odd game but not many would regularly watch them play

cena · 10-03-2019 9:49pm

I only fellow American sports

Junkyard Tom · 10-03-2019 9:55pm

I think a lot of people are into the tribal aspect rather than the actual sport. Look at the Celtic-Rangers thing concentrated in the northeast.

Soccerball fandom attracts a lot of assholes.

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 10:33pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I getting all this Liverpool sh1t at the moment . Boys in my local crying about them. Why don't they support Everton? The Catholic club in the city.

Heysel finished me with Liverpool and English clubs in general....there are still those out there that blame the stadium, the Italians and about everything else apart from themselves

Avatar MIA · 10-03-2019 10:36pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Heysel finished me with Liverpool and English clubs in general....there are still those out there that blame the stadium, the Italians and about everything else apart from themselves

What are you on about? Do you think some of the hooligans from that night are on boards?

OldMrBrennan83 · 10-03-2019 10:36pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Heysel finished me with Liverpool and English clubs in general....there are still those out there that blame the stadium, the Italians and about everything else apart from themselves

A conveniently forgotten part of their history. Professional grief only counts when it doesn't make them look bad.

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 10:47pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

What are you on about? Do you think some of the hooligans from that night are on boards?

Yeah. Dozens of those guys here lurking. What do you think.......? I take it you are a ‘pool fan

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 10:48pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

A conveniently forgotten part of their history. Professional grief only counts when it doesn't make them look bad.

Don’t quite get your point re professional grief

Avatar MIA · 10-03-2019 10:49pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Yeah. Dozens of those guys here lurking. What do you think.......? I take it you are a ‘pool fan

I'm a Liverpool fan. Can't help if that's offensive to you.

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 10:53pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I'm a Liverpool fan. Can't help if that's offensive to you.

I don’t care but it the alligaince of Irish born people to English clubs (topic of this thread) totally puzzles me.......watching heysel live that night in May 1985 had a lasting impact on me and English football in general.......

Avatar MIA · 10-03-2019 10:56pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

I don’t care but it the alligaince of Irish born people to English clubs (topic of this thread) totally puzzles me.......watching heysel live that night in May 1985 had a lasting impact on me and English football in general.......

I also watched it as a kid. It was horrendous, but how you can blame the club or a country puzzles me.

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 10:57pm

Achasanai wrote: »

I really don't think there's much of a link with 'historic' ties to certain teams. For example, I had never met a Chelsea fan when I was growing up, but there are a fair few around now, usually people whose interest in the game corresponded with how well the team were doing in the 2000s. It's why you see so few young Liverpool fans nowadays, and why Manchester City fans are making a reappearance (after a good few decades in the wilderness). Leeds fans in the 70s (none now), Arsenal fans only making appearance in the late 80s and again in the 2000s. There were even a few Everton fans when I was in school, but usually a year or two later (they got into football in the mid 80s when Everton were doing well).

Those supporting the non-successful teams of a particular era are a result of bring endoctrinated by their parents who supported the same team when they were successful......e.g young lads in 80’s who supported Manchester United when they won eff all......and these days Liverpool fans who have won nothing in 29/30 years bar one fluke of a champions league in 2005

Avatar MIA · 10-03-2019 10:59pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Those supporting the non-successful teams of a particular era are a result of bring endoctrinated by their parents who supported the same team when they were successful......e.g young lads in 80’s who supported Manchester United when they won eff all......and these days Liverpool fans who had won nothing on 29/30 years bar one fluke of a champions league in 2005

You've this all figured out. Guess we can close the thread now. :rolleyes:

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 11:02pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I also watched it as a kid. It was horrendous, but how you can blame the club or a country puzzles me.

It was rampant in all clubs in that era it was and probably is still part of every club but the police upped their game on request of Maggie thatcher who would have banned soccer if she had her way......game security has become a military like operation since the 80’s to keep the yobs apart.

Can blame the club because there are those who still will not accept that they were at fault

Breaston Plants · 10-03-2019 11:05pm

For a laugh now and again I'll scroll through a match thread from say a Liverpool and Man United match, absolutely hilarious the stuff sprouted on there, " We" , " Our" , ya Scouse bollix, ya Manc bollix, all Irishmen. Hilarious indeed....

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 11:09pm

Breaston Plants wrote: »

For a laugh now and again I'll scroll through a match thread from say a Liverpool and Man United match, absolutely hilarious the stuff sprouted on there, " We" , " Our" , ya Scouse bollix, ya Manc bollix, all Irishmen. Hilarious indeed....

Something to behold alright.......they should consider changing their passports/nationality

Avatar MIA · 10-03-2019 11:17pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Can blame the club because there are those who still will not accept that they were at fault

Who is 'they'? But, you're in full on Troll mode. Have you any friends you can talk to in RL?

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 11:19pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Who is 'they'? But, you're in full on Troll mode. Have you any friends you can take to in RL?

Call me a troll if you like but if you watch the documentary on heysel that c4 did a few years ago you will get this sentiment......RL=...?

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 11:20pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Call me a troll if you like but if you watch the documentary on heysel that c4 did a few years ago you will get this sentiment......RL=...?

The ‘day’ I refer to is an element of the ‘Liverpool fans’...!

Avatar MIA · 10-03-2019 11:30pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

The ‘day’ I refer to is an element of the ‘Liverpool fans’...!

Here's the thing. There are absolute scum in all walks of life. See the abuse Jack Grealish is getting tonight. That's a humanity thing. Do you think this behaviour is exclusive to English soccer?

Road-Hog · 10-03-2019 11:47pm

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Here's the thing. There are absolute scum in all walks of life. See the abuse Jack Grealish is getting tonight. That's a humanity thing. Do you think this behaviour is exclusive to English soccer?

An awful lot more of this element of behavior is in English society and amongst English soccer fans.....huge police presence keeps the lid on it....
Moranic chanting is another attribute that this cohort of ‘fans’ engage in such as continuing to taunt/jeer about Munich air disaster and the reciprocal ‘hillsborough’ chants by Man U element

dd973 · 11-03-2019 2:01am

Greyfox wrote: »

It's not pretending to be English, it's not been afraid to admit that there's some things the English do better, just like the way America do films and tv shows better than us

It's funny how fixated some posters are on the English aspect of it, if anything it's a global league with English cities football clubs simply being the backdrop and location, think about all the East Asian club owners and the players whom are vastly French, Spanish, South American or from the Francophone African nations, even a club like Chelsea whom are linked with a right-wing Home Counties fanbase have large numbers of touristy looking people in the stands, many of whom are probably there as Hazard or Higuain fanboys, another recent development where people follow players rather than teams for life.

German or Italian football are far more quintessentially German or Italian.

Road-Hog · 11-03-2019 7:29am

dd973 wrote: »

It's funny how fixated some posters are on the English aspect of it, if anything it's a global league with English cities football clubs simply being the backdrop and location, think about all the East Asian club owners and the players whom are vastly French, Spanish, South American or from the Francophone African nations, even a club like Chelsea whom are linked with a right-wing Home Counties fanbase have large numbers of touristy looking people in the stands, many of whom are probably there as Hazard or Higuain fanboys, another recent development where people follow players rather than teams for life.

German or Italian football are far more quintessentially German or Italian.

Just another example of how childish brainless The Whole concept is.....Irish guys following a teams like say chealsa with almost 100% foreign non-uk or Irish players, owned by some Russian oil guy etc. it’s an extension of the school yard mentality into adulthood.......hearing guys getting excited about the January transfer market deadlines and who their team might buy.....local radio station doing Saturday afternoon premiership match live reporting.......pubs showing international games during the euros or World Cup with ITV or bbc coverage on rather than RTÉ.....

Fr Tod Umptious · 11-03-2019 8:39am

Road-Hog wrote: »

Just another example of how childish brainless The Whole concept is.....Irish guys following a teams like say chealsa with almost 100% foreign non-uk or Irish players, owned by some Russian oil guy etc. it’s an extension of the school yard mentality into adulthood.......hearing guys getting excited about the January transfer market deadlines and who their team might buy.....local radio station doing Saturday afternoon premiership match live reporting.......pubs showing international games during the euros or World Cup with ITV or bbc coverage on rather than RT....

Add to that the moaning that goes on on the soccer board here at international break because there is no EPL on and even worse the posts ,and they do exist, from people who say they would prefer see Liverpool/Utd/whomever win something over The Republic Of Ireland national team progress internationally

gimli2112 · 11-03-2019 8:53am

Breaston Plants wrote: »

For a laugh now and again I'll scroll through a match thread from say a Liverpool and Man United match, absolutely hilarious the stuff sprouted on there, " We" , " Our" , ya Scouse bollix, ya Manc bollix, all Irishmen. Hilarious indeed....

We do this so we don't have to type out Liverpool or Manchester United every time. We had a good result against Burnley yesterday doesn't mean anymore than that. Never understand why this upsets people.
The Manc/Scouse bollix bit I get alright

8-10 · 11-03-2019 9:12am

gimli2112 wrote: »

We do this so we don't have to type out Liverpool or Manchester United every time. We had a good result against Burnley yesterday doesn't mean anymore than that. Never understand why this upsets people.
The Manc/Scouse bollix bit I get alright

Are there any examples of people calling other posters here a Manc or Scouse anything? I have to say I don’t recall seeing that posted on this site but the way OP said it sounded like it happens here all the time.

ohnonotgmail · 11-03-2019 1:00pm

Breaston Plants wrote: »

For a laugh now and again I'll scroll through a match thread from say a Liverpool and Man United match, absolutely hilarious the stuff sprouted on there, " We" , " Our" , ya Scouse bollix, ya Manc bollix, all Irishmen. Hilarious indeed....

given how the soccer forum is moderated i call BS on this "ya Scouse bollix, ya Manc bollix" actually happening.

Barbrady · 11-03-2019 1:49pm

I say this as a LOI supporter:

LOI fans: Stop criticizing Premier League fans as barstoolers, plastic fans etc etc. You cant attract new fans by criticizing them.

Premier League fans: Go to a game, the players are not as high a standard obviously but the games are still entertaining and you can still support your english club as well. Its a night out and if you have kids its a night out for them too.

keano_afc · 11-03-2019 1:51pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I was born and raised in Tipperary. My mother kept the home when Dad worked.

Dad worked in the merchant navy for yrs and loved soccer.

He lived in Inchicore when I was born. He was an officer on the Holyhead ferry.

We used to go to Richmond Park. Some of my earliest memomories in life are of him swearing and getting angry with me up on his lap.

He was a very emotive man, but very loving.

I just could never get why most of Dublin and the rest of the country supported the English league .

Because not even the FAI support the Irish league.

RobbieTheRobber · 11-03-2019 2:19pm

Barbrady wrote: »

I say this as a LOI supporter:

LOI fans: Stop criticizing Premier League fans as barstoolers, plastic fans etc etc. You cant attract new fans by criticizing them.

Premier League fans: Go to a game, the players are not as high a standard obviously but the games are still entertaining and you can still support your english club as well. Its a night out and if you have kids its a night out for them too.

Nearly four years after being created and your account had said nothing. Then today a completly controversy free opinion.

I dont get it!

Fr Tod Umptious · 11-03-2019 3:12pm

keano_afc wrote: »

Because not even the FAI support the Irish league.

Why would they ?

The Irish League is run by the Irish Football Association.

The League of Ireland on the other hand.....

Deebles McBeebles · 11-03-2019 3:15pm

No LOI team is anywhere near me and the EPL is on TV and full of our best Irish players(historically at least), that's probably why.

Berserker · 11-03-2019 3:34pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Ah that old chestnut. Gas how it's never Luton Town or Birmingham City even though the Irish flooded those places.

Flew out of East Midlands airport on Saturday evening and the flight was full of football fans supporting Nottingham Forest (the vast majority), Derby and Leicester. The lad beside us was a Sheffield United supporter.

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

No LOI team is anywhere near me and the EPL is on TV and full of our best Irish players(historically at least), that's probably why.

What part of the country do you live in? Has to be a LoI club within an hour of you.

citytillidie · 11-03-2019 4:18pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

A conveniently forgotten part of their history. Professional grief only counts when it doesn't make them look bad.

No it is not, Liverpool don't play games that late in May anymore so there is nothing that is published in papers about it, but go onto the official LFC site on the anniversary date and you will see it is not forgotten.

dd973 · 11-03-2019 4:23pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

Just another example of how childish brainless The Whole concept is.....Irish guys following a teams like say chealsa with almost 100% foreign non-uk or Irish players, owned by some Russian oil guy etc. it’s an extension of the school yard mentality into adulthood.......hearing guys getting excited about the January transfer market deadlines and who their team might buy.....local radio station doing Saturday afternoon premiership match live reporting.......pubs showing international games during the euros or World Cup with ITV or bbc coverage on rather than RTÉ.....

Maybe they just like football, other people have rugby, music, archery, cross-dressing, whatever floats their Asgard.

yourdeadwright · 11-03-2019 4:38pm

Who care why what other teams people like to watch or follow why does it effect you ?

It doesn't make you a better football fan because you like to watch LOI , get over yourself,

I like to watch my local under 7's five a side team as it more grass roots and my parish side and my fathers ,fathers team , i'm obviously a much better football fan than these lads who watch LOI ,

Omackeral · 11-03-2019 4:41pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Who care why what other teams people like to watch or follow why does it effect you ?

You could apply that to any topic on Boards. People are having a discussion.

Why do Irish people support English teams?

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