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Why do Irish people support English teams?

DEFTLEFTHAND

I was born and raised in Tipperary. My mother kept the home when Dad worked.

Dad worked in the merchant navy for yrs and loved soccer.

He lived in Inchicore when I was born. He was an officer on the Holyhead ferry.

We used to go to Richmond Park. Some of my earliest memomories in life are of him swearing and getting angry with me up on his lap.

He was a very emotive man, but very loving.

I just could never get why most of Dublin and the rest of the country supported the English league .

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Avatar MIA

Road-Hog wrote: »

Heysel finished me with Liverpool and English clubs in general....there are still those out there that blame the stadium, the Italians and about everything else apart from themselves

What are you on about? Do you think some of the hooligans from that night are on boards?

Road-Hog

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I getting all this Liverpool sh1t at the moment . Boys in my local crying about them. Why don't they support Everton? The Catholic club in the city.

Heysel finished me with Liverpool and English clubs in general....there are still those out there that blame the stadium, the Italians and about everything else apart from themselves

Junkyard Tom

I think a lot of people are into the tribal aspect rather than the actual sport. Look at the Celtic-Rangers thing concentrated in the northeast.

Soccerball fandom attracts a lot of assholes.

cena

I only fellow American sports

The Lost Sheep

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Plenty of people watch it, nowhere near enough IMO but there's still a decent enough number of regulars. The GAA league is a joke BTW. Check out the attendances there at some of the less attractive games. Championship is where it's at and that ties in nicely with the Event Junkie theory.

GAA league isnt a joke but the way the GAA system/season is set up of course attendances wont be huge by and large. Everything in season for hurling/football teams is built around momentum and crowds build from provincial championships/run in qualifiers.
That isnt event junkie more its about premier event first and foremost

Pro rugby decimated the AIL though. The top competition in this country was practically demoted to nothing by the establishment of these 'provincial club sides'.

Professional rugby didnt decimate the AIL. The Celtic League now Pro14 was what decimated the AIL and it took a few years for that league to really over take the AIL and club rugby as first two seasons of celtic league the competition finished by middle of December/very start of February. And pro rugby was up and running 5 years before that started. And even at that it was another few years before AIL really began to have issues

To say that Kerry people won't support Cork City just shows that you don't have a clue. Plenty of Kerry people do. Killarney Celtic run busses for supporters a few times a year and bring gangs of kids to the 'Cross - and they love it. They've even played in the half-time kids games. Likewise with Tipperary, plenty coming down regularly from Cashel and Clonmel.

Saying plenty is a bit much. There would be some from Clonmel going to Cork for the odd game but not many would regularly watch them play

rm75

Tis entertainment, little different than going to a concert or the theatre. Sure i could watch some play in my local theatre but the standard will be higher in the west end.

Obviously you'll get the snobs. When i was younger i could probably have been called a music snobs, these days i'm pretty indifferent. Watch what ever you enjoy whether thats Real Madrid or Swilly Rovers.

OldMrBrennan83

andekwarhola wrote: »

To be fair, from reading your posts on the site, you come across as a good candidate for taking umbrage at perceived cliques in nearly every walk of life.

The thread has really turned into a bit of a mess, both sides of the debate, but I'd honestly say LOI would be a friendly enough place generally for new supporters that show a genuine interest.

Like any other live sport in Ireland, I would imagine.

True, cliques are the worst.

andekwarhola

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

You're speaking from inside the wall though. Of course you're not going to agree with it.

To be fair, from reading your posts on the site, you come across as a perfect candidate for consistently taking umbrage at perceived cliques in nearly every walk of life.

The thread has really turned into a bit of a mess, both sides of the debate, but I'd honestly say LOI would be a friendly enough place generally for new supporters that show a genuine interest.

Like any other live sport/code in Ireland, I would imagine.

lbc2019

ToddyDoody wrote: »

You can't get the ferry to Spain.

You can Cork to Santander

Stacksofwacks

..but the only team where I would truly emotionally invested is my county team(Waterford hurlers) where I would actually be gutted for a few days if they lost a big game, everything else it wouldnt bother me at all

Stacksofwacks

Only teams I support is my own county team and the Irish national teams in Rugby and soccer. I did have an affinity for Everton in my younger days but I got bored as they hardly ever win anything. I guess we follow teams who are either close to our identity or teams that are really successful. The English premier league is the most succesful/popular league in the world where all the money and glamour is so thats why i assume many Irish people support various teams in it.

trashcan

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Because many counties don't have any team in the League of Ireland - who is someone from Cavan, Mayo or Kerry going to cheer for?

Well, Man U or Liverpool clearly

Listen, people can support whoever they want. No LOI fan will say any different. I just wish people would stop with the mental gymnastics though. Admit it, you follow big English sides because it's more glamorous, they are successful (everyone loves a winner) and above all, it's easy.

RobMc59

I was on holiday in bundoran sometime ago,one evening in the pub people started coming in wearing man utd shirts-they were playing that night and it was on tv,next night it was liverpools turn-fans in lfc shirts-I was excited the following evening as everton were playing-i went to the pub...and no one turned up and it wasn't on the telly!:(

Achasanai

I really don't think there's much of a link with 'historic' ties to certain teams. For example, I had never met a Chelsea fan when I was growing up, but there are a fair few around now, usually people whose interest in the game corresponded with how well the team were doing in the 2000s. It's why you see so few young Liverpool fans nowadays, and why Manchester City fans are making a reappearance (after a good few decades in the wilderness). Leeds fans in the 70s (none now), Arsenal fans only making appearance in the late 80s and again in the 2000s. There were even a few Everton fans when I was in school, but usually a year or two later (they got into football in the mid 80s when Everton were doing well).

Limpy

Idols. Growing up playing with friends we'd always pretend to be such and such a player. Usually said player, Irish or otherwise played in the Premier league. So it's simple as that.

imme

mikemac2 wrote: »

Coventry should have a huge following but they don’t. Leyton Orient in the east end of London too. Birmingham most of all

Admit it’s more to do with who is fashionable and succussful. The generation before had far more Leeds fans than the generation of today

Yes, you've proved my point, it is historic.

The Irish population in Coventry and Birmingham in the 1940s/1950s era was phenomenal.

It has since been displaced by people from the East.

ToddyDoody

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Fellas that fly into London / Manchester / Liverpool can't bring their cars either and only a fraction of those that go to matches by ferry bring their cars in my experience.

Nice to have the option though.

twowheelsonly

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Compare to the start Cork made the year they won.

And, in my opinion, it's very much on topic.

That's just silly trolling.. Why aren't Arsenal known as The Invincibles same as they were in 2003/04 ? No team is EVER going to break records every season. Doesn't mean they can't be consistent.

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Can't bring your car though.

Fellas that fly into London / Manchester / Liverpool can't bring their cars either and only a fraction of those that go to matches by ferry bring their cars in my experience.

ToddyDoody

Omackeral wrote: »

What if you wanna drink vodka in the shed and go on snapchat stories and say bomb la liga? Can't drive then.

That'd be a personal matter.

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ToddyDoody wrote: »

Can't bring your car though.

What if you wanna drink vodka in the shed and go on snapchat stories and say bomb la liga? Can't drive then.

ToddyDoody

Omackeral wrote: »

Get a plane to Barcelona in a couple of hours though!

Can't bring your car though.

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ToddyDoody wrote: »

You can't get the ferry to Spain.

Get a plane to Barcelona in a couple of hours though!

Avatar MIA

twowheelsonly wrote: »

'''''Appear'''' to be struggling... Lost two games. Drew one. Won the two away games so far, in Sligo and Ballybofey.

(Way off topic BTW, so I'll leave it at that..)

Compare to the start Cork made the year they won.

And, in my opinion, it's very much on topic.

[Deleted User]

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Because many counties don't have any team in the League of Ireland - who is someone from Cavan, Mayo or Kerry going to cheer for?

That's fair.

Kerry have teams in the LOI U19 league at present and I hope they get a team down there in the next few years. I think a Kerry LOI team would be a great expansion project, would love to see it.

ToddyDoody

Omackeral wrote: »

Why don't people follow Brazil or Spain in the World Cup?

You can't get the ferry to Spain.

twowheelsonly

Avatar MIA wrote: »

And yet they lost 9 players this year and appear to be struggling. Where's the modicum of consistency?

'''''Appear'''' to be struggling... Lost two games. Drew one. Won the two away games so far, in Sligo and Ballybofey. We'll be ok. Of the nine players that left probably six of those were expected to go for various reasons, personal and otherwise.

The consistency is pretty obvious over the past five years or so. I don't think I have to point that out. Most clubs and their supporters would die for the level of consistency that we've shown over those years.

(Way off topic BTW, so I'll leave it at that..)

An Ciarraioch

Because many counties don't have any team in the League of Ireland - who is someone from Cavan, Mayo or Kerry going to cheer for?

Dr. Bre

Very simple solution you can support both ! The quality of football in England and champs league is top notch but nothing compares to following your local team

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ToddyDoody wrote: »

...because the Irish league is poor by comparison.

Why don't people follow Brazil or Spain in the World Cup?

[Deleted User]

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

You don't know it was bull**** though. It could indeed have been but you have absolutely no actual idea whether it was or not.

A few of you jumped in feet first to pile on and mock the poster because you didn't like what they were saying.

Listen. He said they were roaring into Snapchat Stories 10 years ago. They only existed 5 years ago.

He said they were chanting ''Bomb The Premiership'' when nobody ever has heard anything remotely like that. The vast vast majority of lads at matches watch English football too.

He neglected to say where it was. In fact he refused. Vaguely mentioned ''the shed'', how many grounds even have a shed anymore?

He's also on other threads saying Alan Hawe deserves sympathy and that we as a country let him down. That smacks of a deluded person or a troll.

You'll excuse me if I don't believe him.