Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP

Hector Savage · 11-03-2020 12:46pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

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it's so niiiicceeee!!

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 12:46pm

ibarelycare wrote: »

I'm immunocompromised (I'm on methotrexate for psoriatic arthritis) and anyone with my condition is encouraged by medical professionals to get the flu vaccine every year.

Glad it works for you. For me, more dangerous than getting flu. We are all and each different.

FlipperThePriest · 11-03-2020 12:46pm

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

I heard it was the size of four cats, and has a retractable leg so it can leap at you better. Also it's luminous in the dark, has four ears, two are normal ears and the other two are just backup ears. It claws the size of cups, an unexplained phobia of stamps, a magnetic tail, and instead of a face it has four arses.

RandomViewer · 11-03-2020 12:47pm

scamalert wrote: »

anyone have any stats from when influenza hit and how many deaths it had in say same period as corona, people aww here at few deaths, when we had 100 confirmed from flu alone - easily treatable and preventable, but reality is those at risk can still die,

and while some think brits taking no action and accounting for deaths, id say its fare, as eventually most will get it, but judging by the symptoms its only severe cases and small % that have highest risk.

as someone made comparison to road deaths, cancer etc - in many cases it can be stopped or prevented but reality is it still happens on daily basis, and coronavirus would need more then few thousand deaths to compare whats going ww daily

Covid 19 is 10 to 15 times more deadly than the flu,

TheAsYLuMkeY · 11-03-2020 12:48pm

Hello all,

Today I am worrying,

I don’t smoke and have never had breathing issues, but I am feeling an ever so slight sensation in my chest and if I breath out hard I can hear a very slight wheezing.

The question I have is who do you call if you think you should be tested and I am hearing the test is €500? Surley that’s Bo**ox?

RandomViewer · 11-03-2020 12:48pm

zippy84 wrote: »

I heard it was the size of four cats, and has a retractable leg so it can leap at you better. Also it's luminous in the dark, has four ears, two are normal ears and the other two are just backup ears. It claws the size of cups, an unexplained phobia of stamps, a magnetic tail, and instead of a face it has four arses.

Stop describing Simon Harris

josip · 11-03-2020 12:48pm

Beasty wrote: »

IBTL

Somebody is enjoying their modding today

Stationmaster · 11-03-2020 12:48pm

sanjose1 wrote: »

Kilkenny tradfest going ahead here tomorrow, ah sure we will be grand

Yea, this is the bit that annoys me. Every single parade is cancelled but there are still large scale events continuing - do it right and cancel all gatherings over say 1,000 people or don't do it at all but what's the point picking and choosing. There's big Gaa matches and concerts on this weekend that will have thousands of people at them.

circadian · 11-03-2020 12:49pm

Part VI soon?

11-03-2020 12:49pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Hello all,

Today I am worrying,

I don’t smoke and have never had breathing issues, but I am feeling an ever so slight sensation in my chest and if I breath out hard I can hear a very slight wheezing.

The question I have is who do you call if you think you should be tested and I am hearing the test is €500? Surley that’s Bo**ox?

Phone your GP

Stevieluvsye · 11-03-2020 12:49pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Hello all,

Today I am worrying,

I don’t smoke and have never had breathing issues, but I am feeling an ever so slight sensation in my chest and if I breath out hard I can hear a very slight wheezing.

The question I have is who do you call if you think you should be tested and I am hearing the test is €500? Surley that’s Bo**ox?

Have people gone mad?

Lord Trollington · 11-03-2020 12:49pm

zippy84 wrote: »

I heard it was the size of four cats, and has a retractable leg so it can leap at you better. Also it's luminous in the dark, has four ears, two are normal ears and the other two are just backup ears. It claws the size of cups, an unexplained phobia of stamps, a magnetic tail, and instead of a face it has four arses.

Pure Brilliance .

tobefrank321 · 11-03-2020 12:49pm

ITman88 wrote: »

This is the most realistic approach, experts on this thread are quoting the Wuhan approach of total lockdown, the same posters who are saying China aren’t telling us the truth, and what’s to say as soon as the lockdown ends the cases won’t escalate once again?!

Isolating people is not going to kill the virus. The virus will survive.

We cannot lock down indefinitely, in spite of what the medical experts on here are saying.

Always at a time like this you get people coming up with stuff like pintless washing your hands, if you are infected just go to work and infect everyone else, no point to a vaccine, vitamin D will cure it, if you wear a bracelet it will cure it, symptoms will be mild, etc etc.

Head in the sand stuff. Over 650 dead in Italy within 3 weeks of an outbreak. We are about 2 weeks behind if we continue with your advice.

KWAG2019 · 11-03-2020 12:49pm

zippy84 wrote: »

I heard it was the size of four cats, and has a retractable leg so it can leap at you better. Also it's luminous in the dark, has four ears, two are normal ears and the other two are just backup ears. It claws the size of cups, an unexplained phobia of stamps, a magnetic tail, and instead of a face it has four arses.

And Facebook webpages are riddles with it. You can get it by looking at them.

wakka12 · 11-03-2020 12:49pm

Another import from a non Italian country, a croatian man tests positve after returning from a trip to Munch. There have been at least 50 cases in the last day of tourists contracting coronavirus in a variety of european countries other than Italy.

Egypt continues to pop up, 9 tourists were today infected after returning from a trip there. The country has only reported less than 60 cases themselves.

Cilldara_2000 · 11-03-2020 12:49pm

zippy84 wrote: »

I heard it was the size of four cats, and has a retractable leg so it can leap at you better. Also it's luminous in the dark, has four ears, two are normal ears and the other two are just backup ears. It claws the size of cups, an unexplained phobia of stamps, a magnetic tail, and instead of a face it has four arses.

The philatelists will be grand so.

If nothing else, this thread is great for the Fr Ted references.

scamalert · 11-03-2020 12:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

<0.1% death rate for flu
1 - 3% death rate for COVID19

10 to 30 times more fatal and only not spreading because people are being MUCH more careful than during flu season

ive seen those stats but its compiled well over the years, i mean the initial break out, so 3 months period- how many were dead, or in intensive care vs what we have now.

as influenza took 45k deaths thats a lot corona on the other hand seems slow, as given where it originated population wise and how compcted chinsese were its tiny number to have for 14mill over 3k deaths.

Wibbs · 11-03-2020 12:50pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Hello all,

Today I am worrying,

I don’t smoke and have never had breathing issues, but I am feeling an ever so slight sensation in my chest and if I breath out hard I can hear a very slight wheezing.

The question I have is who do you call if you think you should be tested and I am hearing the test is €500? Surley that’s Bo**ox?

More likely slight anxiety I'd imagine. Fever and a cough is the main symptom of the infection.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 11-03-2020 12:50pm

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Have people gone mad?

So it is Bo**ox yes, i thought as much.

Who to call? GP or 999 ambulance service?

josip · 11-03-2020 12:50pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Hello all,

Today I am worrying,

I don’t smoke and have never had breathing issues, but I am feeling an ever so slight sensation in my chest and if I breath out hard I can hear a very slight wheezing.

The question I have is who do you call if you think you should be tested and I am hearing the test is €500? Surley that’s Bo**ox?

Yes bo||ox about the cost, that's in some parts of the US, possibly.

RandomViewer · 11-03-2020 12:50pm

dougm1970 wrote: »

whats happening in russia?....are they not reporting cases or testing ?.....or are they really not getting hit as hard....i see countries further away from equator like greenland not getting hit, but russia has hard hit countries like sweden and finland beside it....mongolia the same with low figures and china and south korea beside it.....and then theres turkeys numbers.
its a curiosity.

so much as a sniffle and you're in the oven , I suspect

TheAsYLuMkeY · 11-03-2020 12:51pm

Wibbs wrote: »

More likely slight anxiety I'd imagine. Fever and a cough is the main symptom of the infection.

But i am thinking if i have got it, better i test now and remove myself from circulation to protect others.

josip · 11-03-2020 12:51pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

So it is Bo**ox yes, i thought as much.

Who to call? GP or 999 ambulance service?

Not 999, GP should be able to give you the correct HSE number to call.

Cilldara_2000 · 11-03-2020 12:51pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Hello all,

Today I am worrying,

I don’t smoke and have never had breathing issues, but I am feeling an ever so slight sensation in my chest and if I breath out hard I can hear a very slight wheezing.

The question I have is who do you call if you think you should be tested and I am hearing the test is €500? Surley that’s Bo**ox?

Like srsly, for any personal health issues, speak to your GP. Not your local social media.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Me too.
GP nags me until I get the flu jab and this year she included the pneumonia one as well.

Oh, I never get the flu jab. :pac: I’m very truculent when it comes to medication and only take what I absolutely have to.

11-03-2020 12:52pm

scamalert wrote: »

ive seen those stats but its compiled well over the years, i mean the initial break out, so 3 months period- how many were dead, or in intensive care vs what we have now.

as influenza took 45k deaths thats a lot corona on the other hand seems slow, as given where it originated population wise and how compcted chinsese were its tiny number to have for 14mill over 3k deaths.

Corona is slow because the whole world is doing containment measures. FFS China shut a city down with a population x2 that Ireland. No one shuts anything for flu.

Stevieluvsye · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

So it is Bo**ox yes, i thought as much.

Who to call? GP or 999 ambulance service?

GP

ITman88 · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

Covid 19 is 10 to 15 times more deadly than the flu,

Tripe.
Figures can’t be determined until testing is increased and time has passed so medical science can get an accurate measurement of cases to fatalities.
South Korea has undertaken intensive testing and uncovered a low fatality rate.
The inaccurate figures come from low numbers of tests carried out and thus people having the virus and not being tested.
Numbers will be in accurate for a while.
On a positive Ireland currently has a 0% fatality rate

banie01 · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

My wife is a nurse, I am currently working from home

Plumbers and Gardaí are lower level workers???

Once fixes big shít problems! The other little shít ones :P

Edit:
Both are emergency services tho, and when the shíts ankle deep....
A gaurd isn't helping! :pac:

TheAsYLuMkeY · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

Cilldara_2000 wrote: »

Like srsly, for any personal health issues, speak to your GP. Not your local social media.

Your a great help, thank you.

RandomName2 · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

ITman88 wrote: »

But running and hiding from the disease won’t kill it, sorry for being a “screeching you are just hysterical “ type of poster, which btw is a great example to use as a definition of hypocrisy!!!

Technically blanket isolation would kill it. It needs a host to survive. However, you don't need to isolate individuals from the disease, you can isolate entire healthy communities from the disease.

While I would usually be more willing to entertain dialog from any side in relation to this, it's also clear that time is of the essence.

I also feel that people who have tried to minimize the disease have had a vested interest in doing so. Attempting to disregard a particular stance as simply being 'scaremongering' (without actually putting any evidence forward to why it is) I feel has often been motivated by personal feelings concerning disruption to daily life or financial security.

It would be hypocritical if I were quoting figures that were made up, and that the disease was not dangerous to the public in general, but was only dangerous to myself because I had a relatively rare condition that would leave me susceptible to it (let's say cystic fibrosis).

However this is not the case. I have been conservative with my estimates and used publicly available, and verified, information to make best-case scenario projections that are backed up by experts. 20,000 deaths in Ireland is a reasonable scenario. I would prefer if people who go on about 'scaremongering' or 'hysterical nonsense' would own this number and say 'yes, I think that is a more reasonable cost than the financial burden that would be involved in halting the spread'.

circadian · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

scamalert wrote: »

anyone have any stats from when influenza hit and how many deaths it had in say same period as corona, people aww here at few deaths, when we had 100 confirmed from flu alone - easily treatable and preventable, but reality is those at risk can still die,

and while some think brits taking no action and accounting for deaths, id say its fare, as eventually most will get it, but judging by the symptoms its only severe cases and small % that have highest risk.

as someone made comparison to road deaths, cancer etc - in many cases it can be stopped or prevented but reality is it still happens on daily basis, and coronavirus would need more then few thousand deaths to compare whats going ww daily

Cancer and car crashes are not contagious. We have a certain level of herd immunity against flu which is boosted with a vaccine, not to mention the death rate per case is multiples lower than Covid-19.

Edit: we don't have pandemics of car crashes and cancer crippling the health system and while flu outbreaks can cause a strain at times it'll be nothing like an outbreak with no herd immunity.

spookwoman · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

Graces7 wrote: »

I have amended my post.

However your response was still unacceptable; you went too far the other way.
Far too far.
Over and out from me Bye

Only after a few people got onto you about it. How is saying Bull unacceptable when what you posted before the change was misinformation?
:rolleyes:

namloc1980 · 11-03-2020 12:52pm

These threads are going to be epic to look back on. Some student could write a thesis on them.

Graces7 · 11-03-2020 12:53pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s not every immunocompromised person that can’t receive vaccines. It depends on the person and the vaccine. Many immunocompromised people are told to get the flu jab for example. I know that because I’m one of those people.

Agree fully but the reverse applies too; I have amended my post to that effect.
And I am very glad it works for thee

The advice to me has been consistent over many years even through GP changes and I trust it especially with the serious and dangerous vaccine damage I suffered

It was badly handled by spookwoman as she chose to be insulting! REALLY!

Over and out on this and thank you again; we have sorted that issue!

05eaftqbrs9jlh · 11-03-2020 12:53pm

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i heard that for some viruses, if one person catches it, fights it, and passes it on, the next person doesnt get it as bad because the first person's immune system has weakened the virus. i havent heard this idea come up in discussion.

anyone know?

this is different to the herd immunisation, as im not talking about people having had a vaccine.

Humans have NO KNOWN IMMUNITY to this and there is NO treatment to slow it down once people are infected, it's just a matter of waiting for it to creep into the lungs. There is no value in speculating about this happening until there is any evidence whatsoever that we will be able to fight it or figure out a method of treatment which isn't keeping the ill person breathing using machines, which we have a huge scarcity of.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

People have been criticising Luke O’Neill. The one thing that left me dissatisfied from his McWilliams podcast, that I thought he was complacent about was that he didn’t acknowledge that some young, healthy people have died from it. The Chinese whistleblower was a young, otherwise healthy (that I know of) guy and he died from it. That has been at the back of my mind since I heard about it. Does that mean you don’t have to be immunocompromised and/or elderly to die from this?

They are really going hard on "young people can't get affected badly by this" line so as to keep most people going about their business as normal. I even heard a heavily edited interview with a guy who got it in the UK on Seán Ó Rourke earlier. I had read his story, when phase two kicked in he nearly died of pneumonia because he woke up in the middle of the night, couldn't breathe and would have suffocated if his flatmate hadn't called an ambulance.

Healthy, young people CAN and DO DIE from this and will be doing so in their droves when our health system becomes fully overwhelmed in a fortnight because we don't have the resources or staff to be able to treat them. Look at the Italian surgeons' messages and the young man with his dead sister. The only thing we can do now that it is circulating freely in our communities is to prioritise whether we need to go out at all and minimise interaction. Everyone is being put at risk by government inertia and the economy is going to be much worse hit down the line with the impact from needless death brought about by these unfolding mistakes.

11-03-2020 12:54pm

ITman88 wrote: »

Tripe.
Figures can’t be determined until testing is increased and time has passed so medical science can get an accurate measurement of cases to fatalities.
South Korea has undertaken intensive testing and uncovered a low fatality rate.
The inaccurate figures come from low numbers of tests carried out and thus people having the virus and not being tested.
Numbers will be in accurate for a while.
On a positive Ireland currently has a 0% fatality rate

Right, you go and tell the WHO that ITman88.
They'll be delighted to amend their figures based on your massive experience

Kaisr Sose · 11-03-2020 12:54pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

We already have seen people go off on skiing holidays.. skiing holidays.. when it was already clear that doing so would lead to high chance of picking up the disease.

Thsts a bizarre statement. What is your source for stating that skiing exposes you to the virus? It just happened people in a ski resort in Northern Italy came into contact with an infected person and it spread from there. Lots of ski resorts in Europe report no cases and are not subject to closure orders. You are as likely to get it on a cruise ship, city or beach.

Cilldara_2000 · 11-03-2020 12:54pm

TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »

Your a great help, thank you.

You're very welcome.

4068ac1elhodqr · 11-03-2020 12:55pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

so much as a sniffle and you're in the oven , I suspect

Agree lol, same goes for Turkey based on their '1 single case' as a grand total, announded just today.

A huge country, and 80m in a growing hotspot area.
Perhaps they're pushing them towards Greece along with the 10's of thousands others they don't want to look after.

facehugger99 · 11-03-2020 12:55pm

The big worry is that every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

Stevieluvsye · 11-03-2020 12:55pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

These threads are going to be epic to look back on. Some student could write a thesis on them.

More like a comic book

gabeeg · 11-03-2020 12:56pm

Lads, the policy of not doling out amateur medical advice and encouraging them to speak to a GP is absolutely correct.

It could be handled in a much kinder manner though. We've no idea of their circumstances.

wakka12 · 11-03-2020 12:56pm

ITman88 wrote: »

Tripe.
Figures can’t be determined until testing is increased and time has passed so medical science can get an accurate measurement of cases to fatalities.
South Korea has undertaken intensive testing and uncovered a low fatality rate.
The inaccurate figures come from low numbers of tests carried out and thus people having the virus and not being tested.
Numbers will be in accurate for a while.
On a positive Ireland currently has a 0% fatality rate

South Korea has a mortality rate of 0.8%, which is still much more dangerous than flu. The cruise ship has also recorded a death rate of over 1%. It is absolutely, and undoubtedly, a lot more dangerous than the flu. Really anyone who keeps saying this should honestly be banned, it is potentially dangerous misinformation at this stage. Go read that article about the Italian doctor struggling to keep patients in italy alive who has pleaded with the public to stop comparing to the flu.

11-03-2020 12:56pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

The big worry is that every hypochondriac with an 'ever so slight sensation' will be down to their GP or A&E, clogging up the system.

Phone the GP is the advice

Cilldara_2000 · 11-03-2020 12:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Right, you go and tell the WHO that ITman88.
They'll be delighted to amend their figures based on your massive experience

Both ITman and the figures are correct. Anyone reporting figures can only do so based on confirmed cases, recoveries and deaths. And it's rather clear that South Korea have been testing far more people per capita than any other country.

martingriff · 11-03-2020 12:57pm

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

Why, though? It might be easier to discard gloves than have to find somewhere to go and wash your hands, if you're out in public.

What's the difference between a glove been contaminated and a bare hand been contaminated. Is it not the same thing

DrumSteve · 11-03-2020 12:57pm

Eliana Uptight Caterpillar wrote: »

Humans have NO KNOWN IMMUNITY to this and there is NO treatment to slow it down once people are infected, it's just a matter of waiting for it to creep into the lungs. There is no value in speculating about this happening until there is any evidence whatsoever that we will be able to fight it or figure out a method of treatment which isn't keeping the ill person breathing using machines, which we have a huge scarcity of.

They are really going hard on "young people can't get affected badly by this" line so as to keep most people going about their business as normal. I even heard a heavily edited interview with a guy who got it in the UK on Seán Ó Rourke earlier. I had read his story, when phase two kicked in he nearly died of pneumonia because he woke up in the middle of the night, couldn't breathe and would have suffocated if his flatmate hadn't called an ambulance.

Healthy, young people CAN and DO DIE from this and will be doing so in their droves when our health system becomes fully overwhelmed in a fortnight because we don't have the resources or staff to be able to treat them. Look at the Italian surgeons' messages and the young man with his dead sister. The only thing we can do now that it is circulating freely in our communities is to prioritise whether we need to go out at all and minimise interaction. Everyone is being put at risk by government inertia and the economy is going to be much worse hit down the line with the impact from needless death brought about by these unfolding mistakes.

TBF, his sister was 45 with health issues.

Young people can and will die from this, but not in their droves. Think you might need to step back a little from this; the stats just don't back up your assertions.

Technocentral · 11-03-2020 12:57pm

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

More like a comic book

Forums really attract negative people, 80 to 90% of posts on here by doom merchants!

Xertz · 11-03-2020 12:57pm

I’m just refusing to go to anything like that until I get a sense of this being under control and safe.

I organise a couple of minor groups myself, just hobby stuff that involves maybe 25-30 people and a lot of time chatting and drinking in the pub, and I’ve just suspended those and will review in a few weeks.

I don’t really see the point in risking it for the sake of bravado or stoicism.

I wouldn’t be much of a friend to any of those people by putting them at risk and at the moment I don’t feel in a position to assess the risk and I really want to ensure they’re all ok! So I’m just being cautious and taking a rest.

It’s the same with work almost all meetings can be done virtually.

The one thing I would say though is for your own mental health and that of others, keep in touch with people - have the chats on the phone. Interact and help people out too where you can.

Community spirit is really important and it may have to be done a little more remotely through technology over the weeks ahead but it needs to be done.

Don’t leave your friends or family members isolated. That waffly chat about nonsense can be a huge deal to a lot of people. Even interaction on boards and social media is important and don’t make it all about politics and Coronavirus - actually have some chats with people, but of craic, engage in the fun stuff too and just be human.

Also if you are in good health, check with neighbours to see if you can help with groceries. There are a lot of older folks and also people who live on their own who might be very isolated by this. It’s even worse if they have to self isolate. That phone call or willingness to drop stuff to a door, even if you never interact is hugely important.

Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) Read warnings in OP