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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    andy_g wrote: »
    We must be doing something right, and hopefully i'll be down there next year again as i couldnt this year.

    Well done ! I totally support the Sea Shepherd. I believe that extraordinary action can be justified in preventing a crime. I can totally understand that the crew are willing to put their lives on the line. There is no possible justification for whaling. An intelligent mammal must be killed by humane methods & not chased to the point of exhaustion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 101 ✭✭ektec


    I'm doing a school project and have to include an essay, which I am doing so about Sea Shepard and about Paul Watson how they are stopping the whaling fleet from whaling in the southern ocean.

    What should I include? Can anyone give me any good examples throughout the campaign with Paul being a hero or just what Sea shepard does out at sea? If some one wants to write a piece about stopping whaling or anything to do with Sea shepard go ahead and PM me..

    Can someone help me out? You can PM me..
    Thanks a lot..


    @long range shooter, Are you sure they are not wearing a survival suit with just a life jacket over? What are they actually wearing under the lifejackets?

    The crew in the rib doing prop fowls etc do get wet and do the life jacts deploy, as in blowing up? can they be just buoyancy aids?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    ektec wrote: »
    I'm doing a school project and have to include an essay, which I am doing so about Sea Shepard and about Paul Watson how they are stopping the whaling fleet from whaling in the southern ocean.

    What should I include? Can anyone give me any good examples throughout the campaign with Paul being a hero or just what Sea shepard does out at sea? If some one wants to write a piece about stopping whaling or anything to do with Sea shepard go ahead and PM me..

    Can someone help me out? You can PM me..
    Thanks a lot..


    @long range shooter, Are you sure they are not wearing a survival suit with just a life jacket over? What are they actually wearing under the lifejackets?

    The crew in the rib doing prop fowls etc do get wet and do the life jacts deploy, as in blowing up? can they be just buoyancy aids?

    If you read about SOLAS,safety of life at sea,you will figure it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    He has no ticket, captain is a self proclaimed title.

    Another WALT,and this one is all at sea.

    As for recklessness.Willingly putting your vessel and crew in harms way and or endangering other vessels and crew on the high seas is ASFIK a criminal offence in any international court.Fine example was SS super 007 type triman that was rammed and sunk last year as it deliberately was steered under the bows of an oncoming vessel.

    Whatever the ins and outs of the morality of shaving the whales.i'm for it on the point of conservation,but against these stupid direct action taking the law and flouting it and putting people in harms way idiots out there.
    I can see a whole bunch of people getting killed one day by this stupidity.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 moody_cow69


    from what I see here, most of the responses just dont care about the Japanese and the poor marine life they destroy? so why are you even here posting whatever crap comes out of your head?
    As a fellow Sea Shepard volunteer, it is my choice to stand up for those marine creatures that cant stand up for themselves, and if some people dont agree with me i dont give a rats ass. its our choice if we want to stand up for what we believe in. if more people did the same, the world would be much better off!
    Why do human always judge the life of a criminal over a defensless animal as justifyable? the human race is blinded by greed and the brave souls of the Sea Shepard are trying to show them the light! Im a 110% behind them and anyone that disagrees purely for the sake of not caring should just go jump off a cliff or get a life!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    from what I see here, most of the responses just dont care about the Japanese and the poor marine life they destroy? so why are you even here posting whatever crap comes out of your head?
    As a fellow Sea Shepard volunteer, it is my choice to stand up for those marine creatures that cant stand up for themselves, and if some people dont agree with me i dont give a rats ass. its our choice if we want to stand up for what we believe in. if more people did the same, the world would be much better off!
    Why do human always judge the life of a criminal over a defensless animal as justifyable? the human race is blinded by greed and the brave souls of the Sea Shepard are trying to show them the light! Im a 110% behind them and anyone that disagrees purely for the sake of not caring should just go jump off a cliff or get a life!!


    The jump off a cliff bit reminds me of Bertie Aherne and his commit suicide comment of a few years ago......

    Your little rant relegates you to being a reminder of him. well done, good argument, good reasoning, good points and well structured.....:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    While the actions of the sea shephard crew looks to be reckless on occasion, the actions of the Japanese fleet seemed to border on downright dangerous and designed to cause an accident. I am thinking particularly of when then began circling one of the boats with the whaling vessels and then caused a collision, and of course when they sank one of the smaller vessels, the addy gil I think it was. Surely charges should have been brought


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    why are you even here posting

    it is my choice

    stand up for what we believe in.

    There.

    People disagree with you lot, get over yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    from what I see here, most of the responses just dont care about the Japanese and the poor marine life they destroy? so why are you even here posting whatever crap comes out of your head?
    As a fellow Sea Shepard volunteer, it is my choice to stand up for those marine creatures that cant stand up for themselves, and if some people dont agree with me i dont give a rats ass. its our choice if we want to stand up for what we believe in. if more people did the same, the world would be much better off!
    Why do human always judge the life of a criminal over a defensless animal as justifyable? the human race is blinded by greed and the brave souls of the Sea Shepard are trying to show them the light! Im a 110% behind them and anyone that disagrees purely for the sake of not caring should just go jump off a cliff or get a life!!
    What a lovely introduction to the mindset of a Sea Shepard volunteer.

    Just because I disagree vehemently with the methodology of the way this organisation operates does not mean I should jump off a cliff or get a life.

    When you have more life experience, you may just find out that insulting people does not endear them to you.

    Sea Shepard needlessly endanger human life and that is what I have an issue with. No human life is worth any number of animals lives no matter how cuddly they are.

    I have had this discussion with andy_g so it is something I have expressed before.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    from what I see here, most of the responses just dont care about the Japanese and the poor marine life they destroy? so why are you even here posting whatever crap comes out of your head?
    As a fellow Sea Shepard volunteer, it is my choice to stand up for those marine creatures that cant stand up for themselves, and if some people dont agree with me i dont give a rats ass. its our choice if we want to stand up for what we believe in. if more people did the same, the world would be much better off!
    Why do human always judge the life of a criminal over a defensless animal as justifyable? the human race is blinded by greed and the brave souls of the Sea Shepard are trying to show them the light! Im a 110% behind them and anyone that disagrees purely for the sake of not caring should just go jump off a cliff or get a life!!

    Mod instruction: tone it down and be civil as per forum charter (which is required reading)


  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭durano


    All that matters is whether or not the whales are in danger of extinction or if their levels are getting so low that they will start to impact the workings of the oceans,if so then I couldn't care less whether or not Paul Watson is a certified captain or if he puts a few lives at risk,people die every day all over the world for far lesser reasons and we don't bat an eyelid.
    The oceans are pretty important for the survival of everything so a few human lives here and there are well worth it imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    durano wrote: »
    All that matters is whether or not the whales are in danger of extinction or if their levels are getting so low that they will start to impact the workings of the oceans,if so then I couldn't care less whether or not Paul Watson is a certified captain or if he puts a few lives at risk,people die every day all over the world for far lesser reasons and we don't bat an eyelid.
    The oceans are pretty important for the survival of everything so a few human lives here and there are well worth it imo.

    And yet if Paul Watson gets himself killed through his own ignorance or negligence would you be up in arms about how he was callously murdered by the evil whalers???

    Comments like yours are the type of comments that make more rationally thinking people like me roll our eyes and think "What an idiot"


  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭durano


    gatecrash wrote: »
    And yet if Paul Watson gets himself killed through his own ignorance or negligence would you be up in arms about how he was callously murdered by the evil whalers???

    Comments like yours are the type of comments that make more rationally thinking people like me roll our eyes and think "What an idiot"
    Umm,no?I'd be like,Paul Watson just got himself killed through his own ignorance and negligence whilst protecting whales.

    Just out of curiosity who told you you were a rationally thinking person?Did you just decide that yourself?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    durano wrote: »
    Umm,no?I'd be like,Paul Watson just got himself killed through his own ignorance and negligence whilst protecting whales.

    Just out of curiosity who told you you were a rationally thinking person?

    Frank and Tom.

    And Jimmy too.

    Think Jane said it as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭durano


    gatecrash wrote: »
    Frank and Tom.

    And Jimmy too.

    Think Jane said it as well.
    Ahhh how cute!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    durano wrote: »
    Ahhh how cute!

    Yeah, I thought so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Dogwatch


    durano wrote: »
    Umm,no?I'd be like,Paul Watson just got himself killed through his own ignorance and negligence whilst protecting whales.

    Just out of curiosity who told you you were a rationally thinking person?Did you just decide that yourself?

    Personal insults always appear when the argument is lost.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Dogwatch wrote: »
    Personal insults always appear when the argument is lost.

    Oh. I didn't realise he was insulting me. Poor effort! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    from what I see here, most of the responses just dont care about the Japanese and the poor marine life they destroy? so why are you even here posting whatever crap comes out of your head?
    As a fellow Sea Shepard volunteer, it is my choice to stand up for those marine creatures that cant stand up for themselves, and if some people dont agree with me i dont give a rats ass. its our choice if we want to stand up for what we believe in. if more people did the same, the world would be much better off!
    Why do human always judge the life of a criminal over a defensless animal as justifyable? the human race is blinded by greed and the brave souls of the Sea Shepard are trying to show them the light! Im a 110% behind them and anyone that disagrees purely for the sake of not caring should just go jump off a cliff or get a life!!

    I guess you are talking from an experienced seamans point of view,when you are coming with this:eek:
    And what scientific evidence have you got to support this???
    And why are you supporting eco terrorists??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    I remember watching one episode where the cook got promoted to helipad operator/controller. I have no idea if he had the skills or not but it was just indicative of the kind of ad-hoc structure they had on the ship.

    There have been many times I've groaned and changed the channel because of the utter incompetence shown. For instance the time they lowered a RIB into the water at full speed from a single line with no guide rope. As I predicted (having no experience in the matter) the RIB overturned spilling the crew into the Antarctic water. I know Paul Watson has no qualification but still has years of experience, but you wouldn't think it watching the show.

    I don't mean to be offensive to anyone involved, but it seems like a group of people with no experience around boats (or common sense) just upped and bought a ship and went off to fight the Japanese. I'm very surprised that nobody has been seriously hurt yet.

    In fairness they seem a little more professional on the Faroes series but NOTHING HAPPENS.


    Nobody died like the title suggests.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    From what I have seen on TV it seems as though its more luck than anything else that has allowed them to get this far without incurring a fatality.
    When I saw the two crewmen being ordered to go down into a forward locker to see what the hull was doing in Ice, well I just thought this is a ship of fools.
    The Cameraman had the good sense to get out of there.
    It won't be long before some poor unfortunate but earnest volunteer gets killed doing this kind of stuff in unforgiving waters and I am sure it will be dressed up as a kind of martyrdom.
    Many of the operations they carry out are considered dangerous even for highly trained personnel that do this routinely day in day out, like fishery patrols etc.
    Flip a RIB alongside a vessel under way and someone could easily be sucked into the prop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭ex_infantry man


    i agree lowering a rib with no guide rope at the bow and not even having two crew holding the rib tight against the hull of the ship was asking for trouble!!! they should also have had a connection for a hose to connect it two the two outboards so as to have them running before even hitting the water if they did all this they would'nt have fell into the drink


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,571 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    TheChizler wrote: »
    In fairness they seem a little more professional on the Faroes series but NOTHING HAPPENS.
    Ah that's not true. They suffered greatly when a bunch of pissed up teenagers mooned them on the Faroese equivalent of Paddy's day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Its not all a bed of roses when you are dealing with SS
    Pete Bethune has found out just what they are like.....
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/7400883/Sea-Shepherd-court-case-brutal-says-Bethune


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 372 ✭✭jamesdiver


    They come across as twats in fairness.

    Someone said it earlier, if they had never let a camera crew onboard, more people might support them.

    In the maritime industry, lives are lost in accidents all the time, even on the best run ships, under the most stringent regs. It really is just a matter of time.

    Darwinism will catch up on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    jamesdiver wrote: »
    In the maritime industry, lives are lost in accidents all the time, even on the best run ships, under the most stringent regs. It really is just a matter of time.

    Darwinism will catch up on them.
    The thing is, it looks to me like the majority of the Crew is young, idealistic and very naive. They are the ones that will be paying the price.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    The thing is, it looks to me like the majority of the Crew is young, idealistic and very naive. They are the ones that will be paying the price.

    A phrase came to mind when I read that "cannon fodder".


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    They have a new ship.

    Digital Journal
    Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) unveiled their new ship the SSS Sam Simon in Hobart, Tasmania yesterday. The story behind how it was acquired appeared to throw down the gauntlet to Japanese whalers.
    It has been no secret that SSCS was acquiring a new ship for their ninth campaign to the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. It was also no secret that the ship was purchased for Sea Shepherd by philanthropist and developer of the animated comedy series The Simpsons -- Sam Simon.
    Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/338809#tab=comments&sc=0#ixzz2Iohf6A6J
    seashep1.jpg


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I see their dear leader is still at large and living as a fugitive
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8148531/Fugitive-not-on-ship-during-visit

    and their understanding of the colregs hasn't improved.
    http://www.pacificfreepress.com/opinion/5575-japans-pyrate-whalers-ram-second-sea-shepherd-ship.html

    But then the last collision was just a publicity stunt as confirmed by the skipper of the boat. A gaff which may cost them $NZ5 million.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/125424/millionaire-to-sue-anti-whaling-group


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The organisation has huge worldwide support & this is just one of a number of big donations.

    The Japanese position is untenable & the Sea Shepherds deserve the credit for publicising & trying to stop whaling.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    I see their dear leader is still at large and living as a fugitive
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/8148531/Fugitive-not-on-ship-during-visit

    and their understanding of the colregs hasn't improved.
    http://www.pacificfreepress.com/opinion/5575-japans-pyrate-whalers-ram-second-sea-shepherd-ship.html

    But then the last collision was just a publicity stunt as confirmed by the skipper of the boat. A gaff which may cost them $NZ5 million.
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/125424/millionaire-to-sue-anti-whaling-group
    It is not claimed that the collision was a stunt but the decision not to try to save the vessel was. The collision itself is available to watch on youtube


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323


    They have a new ship.

    Digital Journal

    seashep1.jpg

    Sad end to a nice looking old style survey/research vessel.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭Freedive Ireland


    Is it not a fitting change now trying to protect cetaceans? The research sign blazoned accross the Nishan maru or whatever one it is is the best laugh. You may not agree with SS tactics but surely their ideals are justified?
    323 wrote: »
    Sad end to a nice looking old style survey/research vessel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    Well some good news in today. All four Sea Shepherd vessels in the Southern Ocean the whaling fleet has been found and on the run, plus not a single whale killed so far this season.

    :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    andy_g wrote: »
    Well some good news in today. All four Sea Shepherd vessels in the Southern Ocean the whaling fleet has been found and on the run, plus not a single whale killed so far this season.

    :cool:

    Good thing Watson is stepping down then;):D
    He cant go any closer than 450 meters of any Japanese whaling vessel;):D:D:D:D

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/01/08/canada-paul-watson-sea-shepherd-conservation-society-president.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog



    Good thing Watson is stepping down then;):D
    He cant go any closer than 450 meters of any Japanese whaling vessel;):D:D:D:D

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/01/08/canada-paul-watson-sea-shepherd-conservation-society-president.html

    The really good news is that are plenty of people ready to take his
    place. He has more than done his share. It would seem that, now the Sea Shepherds have more vessels, they will be even more successful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    andy_g wrote: »
    Well some good news in today. All four Sea Shepherd vessels in the Southern Ocean the whaling fleet has been found and on the run, plus not a single whale killed so far this season.

    :cool:

    Good News would be end of season and no dead people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Discodog wrote: »
    The really good news is that are plenty of people ready to take his
    place. He has more than done his share. It would seem that, now the Sea Shepherds have more vessels, they will be even more successful.[/

    It will probably make the 7 seas a much safer place to be,knowing that:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Discodog wrote: »
    The really good news is that are plenty of people ready to take his
    place. He has more than done his share. It would seem that, now the Sea Shepherds have more vessels, they will be even more successful.[/

    It will probably make the 7 seas a much safer place to be,knowing that:rolleyes:

    It does if you are a Whale


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Discodog wrote: »

    It does if you are a Whale

    Whales don't go to court,people do;)and piracy and sabotage is what criminals do;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Discodog wrote: »

    Whales don't go to court,people do;)and piracy and sabotage is what criminals do;)

    Animal cruelty is illegal. There is no way to hunt Whales without causing suffering. Many countries have laws that allow members of the public to intervene in order to prevent cruelty. Even in Ireland the law allows any person to enter a dog pound to provide food or water.

    So one could argue that the Whalers are the criminals especially as they can be considered to be killing protected animals in a wildlife reserve.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Discodog wrote: »

    Animal cruelty is illegal. There is no way to hunt Whales without causing suffering. Many countries have laws that allow members of the public to intervene in order to prevent cruelty. Even in Ireland the law allows any person to enter a dog pound to provide food or water.

    So one could argue that the Whalers are the criminals especially as they can be considered to be killing protected animals in a wildlife reserve.

    Animal cruelty!Have you ever been in a slaughterhouse?
    How do you think cattle,chickens are being slaughtered?they just walk in and die???
    And how do you know that it's not possible to hunt whales without causing suffering?
    And you are saying that sabotage and endangering life's at sea is legal to prevent animal cruelty???Well at least it's laws against piracy at sea;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,916 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Discodog wrote: »

    Animal cruelty!Have you ever been in a slaughterhouse?
    How do you think cattle,chickens are being slaughtered?they just walk in and die???
    And how do you know that it's not possible to hunt whales without causing suffering?
    And you are saying that sabotage and endangering life's at sea is legal to prevent animal cruelty???Well at least it's laws against piracy at sea;)

    Cows are not chased across fields to the point of exhaustion. A Whale has to be chased until it can be harpooned. We don't kill nursing cows & allow their calves to die of starvation unlike Whales.

    It is a recognised principle that one can use appropriate force to prevent crime or apprehend a criminal. For example with Somali pirates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Discodog wrote: »

    Cows are not chased across fields to the point of exhaustion. A Whale has to be chased until it can be harpooned. We don't kill nursing cows & allow their calves to die of starvation unlike Whales.

    It is a recognised principle that one can use appropriate force to prevent crime or apprehend a criminal. For example with Somali pirates.

    You don't know much about whalehunting I take it:rolleyes:
    The whale is killed when it comes up to breath.
    The grenade harpoon is filled with an explosive called penthrite,and it explodes when it has penetrated the whale about a foot,killing it instantly.
    If a harpoon should miss and only injure the whale ,as in much other hunting it does occur,the job will be finished with a high powered rifle,not smaller than 9.3mm calibre.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Discodog wrote: »

    You don't know much about whalehunting I take it:rolleyes:
    The whale is killed when it comes up to breath.
    The grenade harpoon is filled with an explosive called penthrite,and it explodes when it has penetrated the whale about a foot,killing it instantly.
    If a harpoon should miss and only injure the whale ,as in much other hunting it does occur,the job will be finished with a high powered rifle,not smaller than 9.3mm calibre.;)

    The purpose of which is research?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter



    The purpose of which is research?

    No,to hunt the legal quota of 1280 minke whale


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy



    No,to hunt the legal quota of 1280 minke whale

    Under the guise of research as it is a whale sanctuary where commercial whaling is illegal. They have failed to provide any evidence of research conducted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter



    Under the guise of research as it is a whale sanctuary where commercial whaling is illegal. They have failed to provide any evidence of research conducted

    Who are they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy



    Who are they?

    The Japanese


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter



    The Japanese

    Well I am not talking about the Japanese,I am Norwegian;)


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