Hyundai Kona

Smee_Again · 24-02-2021 3:09pm

innrain wrote: »

My last one from December 14th had reference 01D012 and referred to ESP(Electric Stability Program) Upgrade.
It seems it is getting closer to an announcement
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hyundai-motor-electric-recall-idUKKBN2AO0JS
The last bit there "Kona and Ioniq owners are advised to limit battery charging to 90% of capacity until the battery has been replaced, Hyundai said." should probably be written in bold.

Thanks, I got that one too.

I also got 01D076 from November and I'm wondering if this is the same issue (it would appear to be) because the defect is...

Certain cells of the high-voltage lithium-ion battery could be
defective and the battery management system control
software could be faulty. As a result, an electrical short circuit
can occur after fully charging the Li-ion battery, increasing the
risk of fire

KCross · 24-02-2021 3:21pm

innrain wrote: »

My last one from December 14th had reference 01D012 and referred to ESP(Electric Stability Program) Upgrade.
It seems it is getting closer to an announcement
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hyundai-motor-electric-recall-idUKKBN2AO0JS
The last bit there "Kona and Ioniq owners are advised to limit battery charging to 90% of capacity until the battery has been replaced, Hyundai said." should probably be written in bold.

Covering their arses in full flight here...

LG Energy Solution, a division of LG Chem Ltd which manufactures the batteries, was quick to deflect criticism.

It said in a statement that Hyundai misapplied LG’s suggestions for fast-charging logic in the battery management system, adding the battery cell should not be seen as the direct cause of the fire risks.

Goes to show how important the BMS and charging profiles are for the current Li-ion technology.

Getting to high charge states and rates is not a simple thing and has significant risks.

EV manufacturers across the industry will be watching very closely as LG Chem are not some minor twobit player in the market. This is a really bad news story.

Irishjg · 25-02-2021 12:21am

I wonder how long it will take for Hyundai Ireland to start informing owners what their plans are. Will they offer a buyback scheme in certain circumstances. Effectively now the cars are unsellable.

mp3guy · 25-02-2021 12:23am

Irishjg wrote: »

I wonder how long it will take for Hyundai Ireland to start informing owners what their plans are. Will they offer a buyback scheme in certain circumstances. Effectively now the cars are unsellable.

Perfectly sellable, arguably more valuable with fresh batteries

Irishjg · 25-02-2021 12:32am

mp3guy wrote: »

Perfectly sellable, arguably more valuable with fresh batteries

I have my doubts. It didn’t fare too well for Bolt owners in the US. Also the fresh batteries may not offer similar performance in terms of range, a big selling point for some of the Hyundai EVs. For instance the new battery may only have 55kwh available for top end charging rather than the original 64kwh available. Also charging speeds probably will be reduced.

liamog · 25-02-2021 12:40am

Irishjg wrote: »

I have my doubts. It didn’t fare too well for Bolt owners in the US. Also the fresh batteries may not offer similar performance in terms of range, a big selling point for some of the Hyundai EVs. For instance the new battery may only have 55kwh available for top end charging rather than the original 64kwh available. Also charging speeds probably will be reduced.

Any replacement will have to meet the original specifications, you won't end up with a battery pack smaller than the original without significant compensation.

Irishjg · 25-02-2021 12:51am

I have no doubt the packs will remain the same size at 67kwh as per the existing units. Once the replacements are installed it will be easy to calculate what’s actually available. We’ll know for sure in time. I’m only guessing and relating to previous instances. I hope you are correct rather than me.

oceanfroggie · 11-03-2021 6:51pm

Don't see any problem here. Honourable company have announced that they will replace the entire battery packs. They've bet their future on BEV so can't end up with a VW diesel gate sized scandle. Happy Days. It may take 6 to 9 months as they have 82,000 vehicles do recall and replace the batteries, but owners can rest easy. In the mean time recommended to charge to 90% for added peace of mind. Some car with 500km range in summer and 400km in winter with all the heating on.

Kramer · 11-03-2021 7:14pm

oceanfroggie wrote: »

Some car with 500km range in summer and 400km in winter with all the heating on.

& with the added possibility of spontaneously combusting, in your driveway

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Irishjg · 11-03-2021 7:54pm

Is there anything official from Hyundai Ireland regarding the planned battery recall/replacements. Has any Hyundai EV driver received any notifications on the matter. Will Hyundai Ireland consider requests by owners of a product buyback from disgruntled owners. I haven’t seen any mention of the proposed battery replacements on the Hyundai Ireland website but it’s very badly laid out so maybe there is a section hidden in a background page.

Smee_Again · 11-03-2021 7:55pm

Kramer wrote: »

& with the added possibility of spontaneously combusting, in your driveway .

Some of us have driven french cars before

mp3guy · 11-03-2021 8:00pm

Irishjg wrote: »

Is there anything official from Hyundai Ireland regarding the planned battery recall/replacements. Has any Hyundai EV driver received any notifications on the matter. Will Hyundai Ireland consider requests by owners of a product buyback from disgruntled owners. I haven’t seen any mention of the proposed battery replacements on the Hyundai Ireland website but it’s very badly laid out so maybe there is a section hidden in a background page.

Like the other recalls, one day everyone will just get a letter in the post, there won't be anything online.

Not sure I'd go through the hassle of a buyback tbh, you're getting a fresh battery with no degradation. Cars still perfectly good. Only unlike all the other EVs out there, the battery has undergone double the scrutiny.

0lddog · 11-03-2021 8:27pm

Kramer wrote: »

& with the added possibility of spontaneously combusting, in your driveway .

Heck, why not not see if you can do better than Zafira...Hook up to the charge point underneath the Clare Hall Tesco store :P

youngblood · 11-03-2021 10:13pm

Anyone who bought a Kona 2018 (non electric) thinking of trading up to the new Tucson? Any idea of what the garage might offer in trade in etc?

irishgrover · 03-04-2021 5:07pm

Does anyone know if the 2021 model has electric driver seat / lumbar support?

innrain · 09-04-2021 2:37pm

As ABRP beta got on the Android Auto made me link it to Torque pro using an ODBD2 and have an integrated navigation. The lack of this in the paddy spec Kona 2019 made me go fuming at the time.

So ABRP gets live updates from the car regarding battery status, temperature speed etc. There is a premium version of the software which claims that it will take into account weather and traffic info. Also it claims it will use live status of the chargers to direct you at the charger most likely to be free at the time of arrival.
I've tested the free version around Dublin and it seems that its navigation algorithm is geared towards saving battery more than saving your time. A Carrickmines to Santry journey is directed towards town with 14 mins more than M50 route which is not given as an alternative. However, once I made it to suggest the right route its predicted battery state at arrival was quite good. So not for daily use but for longer journeys whenever those will happen.

10-10-20 · 12-04-2021 1:22pm

innrain wrote: »

So ABRP gets live updates from the car regarding battery status, temperature speed etc. There is a premium version of the software which claims that it will take into account weather and traffic info. Also it claims it will use live status of the chargers to direct you at the charger most likely to be free at the time of arrival.
I've tested the free version around Dublin and it seems that its navigation algorithm is geared towards saving battery more than saving your time. A Carrickmines to Santry journey is directed towards town with 14 mins more than M50 route which is not given as an alternative. However, once I made it to suggest the right route its predicted battery state at arrival was quite good. So not for daily use but for longer journeys whenever those will happen.

I tested it with Torque Pro also, but found ABRP very hap-hazard in terms of functionality. Even a small twist to the route sent it into a tizzy recalculating the route, over and over. It meant that by the time you got to your destination, the graphs and data only represented a few km's of data, since the last route recalculation.
As ABRP is dependent on Torque for the upload of EV data to the Torque servers which is then downloaded by ABRP, I even suggested to the developers of ABRP to make a OBD-II interface within the app for vehicles without native navigation, but I don't think they took it seriously. But don't get me wrong, ABRP is a very nice tool, just needs more km's under its development belt.

eclipsechaser · 17-04-2021 12:58am

Thinking of getting a used 2019 Kona Electric from a dealer. I'm not in any rush though. Any thoughts on whether I should wait for the new model given the battery recall? Price is a bit under €30k before an 08 Focus TDI with plenty of mileage enters as trade-in. Very low mileage on the Kona. Will need the car for January.

I've very little idea of what counts as good value. Any idea roughly what I'd get for the Focus as trade-in too?

listermint · 17-04-2021 8:03am

Couple of hundred for the focus unless they're running some scrappage deal.

ELM327 · 17-04-2021 2:56pm

Would be unusual to get a scrappage on a 19 plate car

slave1 · 17-04-2021 3:21pm

If it was a demo you might, not if it was pre-owned though

17-04-2021 4:27pm

eclipsechaser wrote: »

Thinking of getting a used 2019 Kona Electric from a dealer. I'm not in any rush though. Any thoughts on whether I should wait for the new model given the battery recall? Price is a bit under €30k before an 08 Focus TDI with plenty of mileage enters as trade-in. Very low mileage on the Kona. Will need the car for January.

I've very little idea of what counts as good value. Any idea roughly what I'd get for the Focus as trade-in too?

I wouldn't worry about the recall, all that means is that you won't have to pay for any work done. Manufacturers do recalls all the time.

I woudl test drive one at 100 Km/hr or more though because the road noise from the 2019 I drove was deafening. You might not be bothered by it but I wouldn't be able to live with that. Could have been the tyres either but worth checking out if you think that might bother you.

Smee_Again · 17-04-2021 4:30pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about the recall, all that means is that you won't have to pay for any work done. Manufacturers do recalls all the time.

I woudl test drive one at 100 Km/hr or more though because the road noise from the 2019 I drove was deafening. You might not be bothered by it but I wouldn't be able to live with that. Could have been the tyres either but worth checking out if you think that might bother you.

I’ve a 19 Kona and the road noise is annoyingly loud, I’m still on the original tyres but I’ve wondered if different tyres would reduce it.

You do get used to it but it’s definitely noticeable at first.

17-04-2021 4:58pm

Smee_Again wrote: »

I’ve a 19 Kona and the road noise is annoyingly loud, I’m still on the original tyres but I’ve wondered if different tyres would reduce it.

You do get used to it but it’s definitely noticeable at first.

Different tyres should help but review their rating online go for the lowest db rating you can find, obviously don't compromise on wet grip which must be rated A for the torque of the front wheel drive Kona, E-Soul/Niro etc.

My tyres for the i3 were originially rated C for wet they're now A and the difference is noticeable.

Your tyres will get louder as they wear.

Damien360 · 17-04-2021 5:09pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I woudl test drive one at 100 Km/hr or more though because the road noise from the 2019 I drove was deafening. You might not be bothered by it but I wouldn't be able to live with that. Could have been the tyres either but worth checking out if you think that might bother you.

We had a 2018 Kona petrol 1L. Road noise was absolutely terrible. You had to talk loudly to your passenger and not a hope those in the back heard you without really raising your voice. It’s not the engine (which is surprisingly pokey) unless you get to high revs and it gets very loud. We changed to a 2020 Toyota CHR and the difference is night and day. If road noise is an issue, don’t buy the Kona.

Smee_Again · 17-04-2021 5:12pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Different tyres should help but review their rating online go for the lowest db rating you can find, obviously don't compromise on wet grip which must be rated A for the torque of the front wheel drive Kona, E-Soul/Niro etc.

My tyres for the i3 were originially rated C for wet they're now A and the difference is noticeable.

Your tyres will get louder as they wear.

Yeah, that’s the plan. Tyres will probably be a bit more expensive as a result but I can’t live with that.

JimmyKane · 18-04-2021 5:21pm

Any Kona owners able to give an indication of how much it has cost them for an annual service? And whether that was with a main dealer or an independent garage? TIA

Smee_Again · 18-04-2021 5:28pm

JimmyKane wrote: »

Any Kona owners able to give an indication of how much it has cost them for an annual service? And whether that was with a main dealer or an independent garage? TIA

Dealership didn’t charge for my first service, and I’ve had 2 since that were €90 each.

No filters or anything changed in those but this will be done on the next service which I think is €160.

innrain · 18-04-2021 8:10pm

JimmyKane wrote: »

Any Kona owners able to give an indication of how much it has cost them for an annual service? And whether that was with a main dealer or an independent garage? TIA

Three times so far 80 quid each. One at every 15k km. Probably an expensive wash but required by the warranty. Hyundai dealership.

18-04-2021 8:49pm

15,000 Km service intervals are really bad in this day and age especially for an EV, that would be twice a year for me. It was 30,000 for my 2015 Leaf.....

I'm not sure I would bring it in every 15K Kms to be honest. It's a joke.

Busman Paddy Lasty · 18-04-2021 9:10pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

15,000 Km service intervals are really bad in this day and age especially for an EV, that would be twice a year for me. It was 30,000 for my 2015 Leaf.....

I'm not sure I would bring it in every 15K Kms to be honest. It's a joke.

Seems to be a roundabout fee for the warranty. If it's only every other service that is unnecessary, then for the above poster it's €80 every 30k kilometers of a cost over regular service intervals. They should just let you pay it at 15k and 45k etc. and not bother wasting time going in if you don't want to

slave1 · 19-04-2021 7:55am

innrain wrote: »

Three times so far 80 quid each. One at every 15k km. Probably an expensive wash but required by the warranty. Hyundai dealership.

Something wrong there, never heard of 15k interval for EV service, our Leaf is 30k and no service interval on Tesla.
It’s not as if you’ll be burning through oil every 15k?

Smee_Again · 19-04-2021 8:00am

slave1 wrote: »

Something wrong there, never heard of 15k interval for EV service, our Leaf is 30k and no service interval on Tesla.
It’s not as if you’ll be burning through oil every 15k?

That’s what I was told by Hyundai as well but I must check the paperwork.

I’ve been getting it serviced closer to 20K than 15K and they did the first one for free because there was nothing to service.

eclipsechaser · 19-04-2021 6:48pm

Roughly what price should a 2019 Kona with 30K done be costing on the 2nd hand market from a dealer?

innrain · 19-04-2021 7:47pm

slave1 wrote: »

Something wrong there, never heard of 15k interval for EV service, our Leaf is 30k and no service interval on Tesla.
It’s not as if you’ll be burning through oil every 15k?

That is in the manual. See the attach

slave1 · 20-04-2021 8:00am

innrain wrote: »

That is in the manual. See the attach

Oh I’m not doubting the service interval is per Kona, just saying they are forcing diesel intervals into an EV which is loopy.
The two longest serving EVs in the world have nowhere near those tiny gaps and no issues.
I mean checking break disc and pads on an EV at 15k intervals?, they’re just making stuff up to beef what is really a very short once over

innrain · 20-04-2021 9:49am

I agree here but probably they just need the data of how the battery behaves and because they don't have live connection to the car. They also want to keep the dealer network happy. As you said half of the stuff there is made up but is their warranty their rules. Skoda gives a compulsory "option" for 3 year warranty which costs 400 odd so it could be worse.

KildareMan · 21-04-2021 1:25pm

slave1 wrote: »

Oh I’m not doubting the service interval is per Kona, just saying they are forcing diesel intervals into an EV which is loopy.
The two longest serving EVs in the world have nowhere near those tiny gaps and no issues.
I mean checking break disc and pads on an EV at 15k intervals?, they’re just making stuff up to beef what is really a very short once over

Brakes are the one thing you want to work when you press the pedal. That most are minimising their brake usage with single pedal driving it makes sense to check them on a regular basis. 15K km is more than some drive in a year so really surprised it's not 15k km or annually - whichever comes first.

slave1 · 21-04-2021 1:56pm

I've a combined 141kms under our two EVs, all brake pads are originals without issue

innrain · 21-04-2021 3:40pm

KildareMan wrote: »

Brakes are the one thing you want to work when you press the pedal. That most are minimising their brake usage with single pedal driving it makes sense to check them on a regular basis. 15K km is more than some drive in a year so really surprised it's not 15k km or annually - whichever comes first.

it actually says that in the manual but because I had my third check at 45k before the second year was up I didn't mentioned it.

Kramer · 21-04-2021 8:52pm

Deleted User wrote: »

15,000 Km service intervals are really bad in this day and age especially for an EV

Yep, it's just a way to generate income.

KildareMan wrote: »

Brakes are the one thing you want to work when you press the pedal. That most are minimising their brake usage with single pedal driving it makes sense to check them on a regular basis. 15K km is more than some drive in a year so really surprised it's not 15k km or annually - whichever comes first.

My 250hp+ BMW needs a service every 2 years or 33k km, whichever comes first. It's a PHEV so has regenerative braking & actually covers quite a few kilometres on battery alone.

Are BMW wrong then?
Are my brakes likely to fail, catastrophically, if I don't insist they check them every six months?

15k service intervals on an EV is a pure money grab.

KildareMan · 22-04-2021 8:04pm

Kramer wrote: »

Yep, it's just a way to generate income.

My 250hp+ BMW needs a service every 2 years or 33k km, whichever comes first. It's a PHEV so has regenerative braking & actually covers quite a few kilometres on battery alone.

Are BMW wrong then?
Are my brakes likely to fail, catastrophically, if I don't insist they check them every six months?

15k service intervals on an EV is a pure money grab.

Not likely to fail catastrophically no. Never said they would. but they can start sticking/binding and generally lose power.

People seem to think that an EV will be service cost free because the "engine" is gone. Well you still have steering, suspension, brakes, tyres and so on.

Will be interesting to see NCT figures for EV's. I bet there could be a higher than expected failure rate just because people think they are maintenance free.

22-04-2021 8:56pm

KildareMan wrote: »

Not likely to fail catastrophically no. Never said they would. but they can start sticking/binding and generally lose power.

People seem to think that an EV will be service cost free because the "engine" is gone. Well you still have steering, suspension, brakes, tyres and so on.

Will be interesting to see NCT figures for EV's. I bet there could be a higher than expected failure rate just because people think they are maintenance free.

Service every 15,000 Kms on an ev is taking the p1ss and it's just another way to make more money. That would be twice a year for me that's just not acceptable and a major turn off due to the hassle of having to leave the car in and pick it up and listen to waffle and it's costing me more than it should.

Kramer · 22-04-2021 9:11pm

KildareMan wrote: »

Not likely to fail catastrophically no. Never said they would.

Well you said:

KildareMan wrote: »

Brakes are the one thing you want to work when you press the pedal.

I'd take brakes not working when you press the pedal, a pretty catastrophic failure :pac:.

People seem to think that an EV will be service cost free because the "engine" is gone. Well you still have steering, suspension, brakes, tyres and so on.

All cars have steering, suspension, tyres etc., yet the government don't deem it necessary to inspect any new car for a period of 4 years. 2 years thereafter, until 10, then anually. BMW reckon 33k km is plenty for their performance oriented cars.

But a brand new Kia/Hyundai EV needs to have the brakes checked every 15k km?
P1ss taking money grab for the manufacturers.

10-10-20 · 23-04-2021 10:54am

Mine is in for a service now. 50k on the clock for a Aug 2019 reg.
During the first service at 6 months/15k, they replaced the wipers. I wasn't at all happy with that as they had very little use. Also the tyres were slightly pressure-imbalanced on return, not by much, but instead of all being 36 kPa even, they were 36/35/37 kPa.
On the last service it was the same crack with the tyres again - I dropped them in with 36-even on all 4, got it back with one being 34 and the rest at 35 and missing two valve covers (only noticed the day after).
Today it has gone in with all 4 tyres on 38 kPa. I'll see what I get back. :rolleyes:

10-10-20 · 27-04-2021 10:02am

For the record:
40kPa on the fronts and 41kPa on the rears. But all of the stem-caps were in place for a change.

slave1 · 16-06-2021 1:45pm

So picked up one of these guys recently, appalled at the space under the hood was not used so jimmied up a makeshift frunk.
Few hours, removed large motor cap, bought as big a container to max space (actually had to cut a bit off it), cut two small lengths of 2x1 to fit onto the motor cap supports and then screwed the container onto the wood.
Boom, takes all cables and paperwork etc with room to spare.
Checked a few times and zero issue with heat, the thingy it sits on actually contains the BMS units so does not generate heat work talking about

listermint · 16-06-2021 1:50pm

Why not plan out a 3d print box to clip into the existing holders for the plastic cover. Then sell the 3d print plans to other owners

Smee_Again · 16-06-2021 2:03pm

I'll be your first customer.

innrain · 16-06-2021 2:32pm

Did you lower the floor in the boot? You gain some space by doing so.

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