Hyundai Kona

shoutman

Picking up a 2020 kona electric premium edition next week (It's an ex demo model)

Any online guides for new owners? I know very little about electric cars to be honest with you. Any must have phone apps etc? Highly recommended home chargers - for the time being I'm just going to use a local on-street charger.

mp3guy

shoutman wrote: »

Picking up a 2020 kona electric premium edition next week (It's an ex demo model)

Any online guides for new owners? I know very little about electric cars to be honest with you. Any must have phone apps etc? Highly recommended home chargers - for the time being I'm just going to use a local on-street charger.

Here's a topic on apps https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112351433

Make sure the charging cable they give you is 32A 3 Phase.

And here's the topic on home chargers https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057839190

Unless you have a 3 phase at home (highly unlikely), you're looking at a 7kW single phase charger. If you have solar/intend to get it worth investing in a charger that supports it, otherwise you can get something cheaper. Get a tethered one if you don't mind the cable always being there outside, save yourself fiddling with your own cable out the boot whenever you want to charge.

shoutman

Can you control charging on the Kona via an app? I.e. can I get a dumb home charger or do I need a smart one.

Thanks

mp3guy

shoutman wrote: »

Can you control charging on the Kona via an app? I.e. can I get a dumb home charger or do I need a smart one.

Thanks

Hyundai Blue Link isn't available in Ireland. But you can control charging timing and limits on the car's infotainment system. You can also location lock it so for example, it only charges during peak hours when you're away from home.

shoutman

Anybody have a roof rack for their kona? Boot space is a bit tight for a family of four.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. Lovely drove so far, serious overtaking ability when you pop it into sport mode!

Edit: one further question, does the hyundai live app on the infotainment system work in ireland?

liamog

The Kona is getting a mid cycle refresh, rumours are that the powertrain and drivetrain will be kept the same. But the front end looks to be getting a redesign in line with the Nexo.



https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-hyundai-kona-first-look-review/

Gael23

Kona is a really nice size but there looks to be a good lot of cheap plastic in it. Am I being unfair to the car?

Gael23

Gael23 wrote: »

Kona is a really nice size but there looks to be a good lot of cheap plastic in it. Am I being unfair to the car?

No you're correct + palstic on the outside, no need for it at all. I found the E-soul nicer inside.

Gael23

Deleted User wrote: »

No you're correct + palstic on the outside, no need for it at all. I found the E-soul nicer inside.

Did you try the ioniq?

Gael23

Gael23 wrote: »

Did you try the ioniq?

Yeah the old model, not the new one, I likes the old one and from the pics I've seen of the newer one it's better again, certainly better than the Kona.

Unfortunately the slow DC charging lets the new Kona down badly.

obriendj

shoutman wrote: »

Anybody have a roof rack for their kona? Boot space is a bit tight for a family of four.

Any recommendations would be appreciated. Lovely drove so far, serious overtaking ability when you pop it into sport mode!

Edit: one further question, does the hyundai live app on the infotainment system work in ireland?

Hi
did you ever get a roof rack? Did you get a roof box too?

I am trying to find one for my kona that is aerodynamic

Thanks.

KCross

Thats going to be a costly recall!

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/hyundai-will-recall-kona-ev-models-over-faulty-battery-cells

mp3guy

KCross wrote: »

Thats going to be a costly recall!

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/hyundai-will-recall-kona-ev-models-over-faulty-battery-cells

I wonder if there'll be a US or EU recall too.Or even eNiro and eSoul.

<edit> Actually some of the articles are a bit confusingly worded, sounds like it might be a global recall rather than just contained to South Korea?

liamog

mp3guy wrote: »

I wonder if there'll be a US or EU recall too.Or even eNiro and eSoul.

<edit> Actually some of the articles are a bit confusingly worded, sounds like it might be a global recall rather than just contained to South Korea?

The Kona uses LG Chem cells, Kia use cells from SK Innovation.

mp3guy

Well, 13 fires after > 100,000 sold since 2017. Not terrible odds. Still might keep it parked away from the house until it's recalled or otherwise.

mp3guy

US recall too: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/hyundai-kona-ev-recall-korea-us-lg-battery-fires/

No doubt Europe to follow. There's some chatter around it being partially a software BMS upgrade and a battery inspection. Everyone needs the software upgrade and depending on a battery inspection, some may need entirely new batteries!

mp3guy

Punched my details in here https://www.hyundai.ie/vehicle-upgrade-check and got an email back saying;

There are no recalls currently outstanding on your vehicle. However, there is a service action involving a software update available on the vehicle. If you contact your local Hyundai dealer, they will arrange to have this carried out.

innrain

There are no active recalls currently outstanding on your vehicle. If you have any concerns about your vehicle or are experiencing any issues, please contact your local Hyundai dealer who be happy to assist you.

Considering that I was for the service interval they have mentioned a software recall I imagine that was it.

mp3guy

innrain wrote: »

Considering that I was for the service interval they have mentioned a software recall I imagine that was it.

I'd reckon everyone still needs that battery inspection however.

*Speculation* running the car without the BMS update can probably allow the cells to get damaged. So they need to check every battery that was run in a car without it.

innrain

They said it is a 4 h job. Battery inspection should be in the service interval anyway. Using evnotify from time to time and I get 100%SOH.

Kramer

I wonder will the software "fix" limit the battery in some way, possibly charging speed, DC or even AC, or even output to the motor, reducing performance.

Something to keep an eye on with these "fixes", make sure your car isn't degraded from what it should be.

innrain

Kramer wrote: »

I wonder will the software "fix" limit the battery in some way, possibly charging speed, DC or even AC, or even output to the motor, reducing performance.

Something to keep an eye on with these "fixes", make sure your car isn't degraded from what it should be.

I did monitor charging speeds. I can't get EVnotify to export but if anything they've improved (not much though). The taper from 50 kW to 35 kW happens a bit later. (used to be at 72% and now is at 75%).

On the Ac charging side I have noticed a live update of the remaining time. It used to be fixed. On load balancing chargers if you started with 3kW the 20h remaining was the same even if the charging speed changed to 6 kW. Now it updates after few seconds of the speed change.
On the power output I can't comment. I still put a gap of 100m to the next vehicle at the traffic light so I believe is still OK.
I'm six weeks away from the third service interval so I'll try to find out more.

KCross

KCross wrote: »

Thats going to be a costly recall!

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/hyundai-will-recall-kona-ev-models-over-faulty-battery-cells

I could see a messy court case arriving with the blame game starting....
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/10/419_297453.html


33,000 Kona's to be recalled in Europe

Hundred of millions of dollars in costs!


I would definitely be looking at the BMS update they are planning to roll out as that is no doubt going to be a hobbling of some kind.... reduced charge speed and/or reduced net capacity.

mp3guy

KCross wrote: »

I would definitely be looking at the BMS update they are planning to roll out as that is no doubt going to be a hobbling of some kind.... reduced charge speed and/or reduced net capacity.

Yes looks like usable capacity will be capped / max voltage of cells. Shrug, still a huge battery, though you'd prefer it wouldn't happen for the price you pay.

I've only ever charged to 100% once so feeling pretty safe either way.

Thierry12

KCross wrote: »

I could see a messy court case arriving with the blame game starting....
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/10/419_297453.html


33,000 Kona's to be recalled in Europe

Hundred of millions of dollars in costs!


I would definitely be looking at the BMS update they are planning to roll out as that is no doubt going to be a hobbling of some kind.... reduced charge speed and/or reduced net capacity.

Cars with cobalt batteries will be looked on badly in the future

Sooner they move onto non flammable lfp type batteries the better

Thierry12

Thierry12 wrote: »

Cars with cobalt batteries will be looked on badly in the future

Sooner they move onto non flammable lfp type batteries the better

Range will suffer though it just won't for the Tesla Model 3 SR+ because they have more room to stuff cells in because it can also houses the LR battery, however the M3 battery will be optimised for power density for acceleration and super charging, still decent enough range though, there are higher energy dense LiFeP04 for lower power applications which other lower power cars might be able to use but there is not going to be any real progress for battery capacity for years if ever.

Hydrogen Range Extenders is what we need. That would greatly reduce the need for minerals.

pullandbang

From FB - Meath Crime Prevention Page.

"Navan Gardai are investigating the theft of 3 electric cars last night between 5am and 6am. The first from Bailis Manor a grey Hyundai Kona E 201MH##52, the next from Clonmagadden Pk a white Hyundai
191D##70 and the last white Kona E 191MH ##06 from Castleview, Athlumney. If anyone saw any suspicious activity or can help to identify the suspects please call 046-9021445"

DrPhilG

Absolutely insane that Hyundai don't allow you to disable keyless entry.

Absolute insane car manufacturers can't make keyless entry secure.

innrain

The facelift was announced. Hopefully it will keep the premium specs, which got missing here previously.

Miscreant

innrain wrote: »

The facelift was announced. Hopefully it will keep the premium specs, which got missing here previously.

Looks like a slightly better nose from the current model and a few little tweaks but I don't think there are too many other changes. The thing for me was the overall size of the vehicle being too small and cramped on the inside.

liamog

Miscreant wrote: »

The thing for me was the overall size of the vehicle being too small and cramped on the inside.

It was the Irish spec that killed my enthusiasm for the Kona, it was hard to compare it against the Ioniq when they didn't make the driving tech available in Ireland, but still charged such a high price. Clearly the market disagreed with me

Kramer

liamog wrote: »

Clearly the market disagreed with me

It sold because it was the first "affordable" EV with 400km+ range. Agree though, it was very poorly specced here, for the price, plasticky inside & just too small.

I'll always remember the wheelspin though with traction control switched off. It would smoke both fronts equally & keep them spinning for quite a while, if done right .

People would be alarmed to hear screeching tyres & see the smoke, but hear no engine revving.............allegedly :pac:.

innrain

Kramer wrote: »

It sold because it was the first "affordable" EV with 400km+ range. Agree though, it was very poorly specced here, for the price, plasticky inside & just too small.

I have one and I agree.
In January 2019 there was nothing else. TM3 was not on the horizon and even so still 10k more expensive, eniro a year waiting list. I wanted an EV since 2016 but nothing was suitable for my driving distances and considering I don't have a home charger. When I studied the car I was looking at reviews in UK/US so at the drive test got a big shock. Hyundai Ireland knew they have no competition and banked on that. Unthinkable not to have the premium spec if you pay for it. Things will be different next year.
Still got it though. Most of the time I'm alone in the car so the space is okish. It is a very efficient car and on my daily commute which comprises the length of M50 plus some bits in the city, (at the legal speed limit as it is mostly empty these days) I get around 15 kWh/100km. I'm at 42k km in 19 months and I don't think I could have done it with eGolf or Ioniq

mp3guy

Got a letter in the post today re: the voluntary recall.

innrain

My Kona tells me it OK to drive with 120km/h on NCR. I'm afraid that I'll loose the efficiency Honestly I was looking to see of I'm on a 30km/h road when noticed the 120 speed limit.

mp3guy

FYI Blue Link has been released in Europe: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hyundai.bluelink.eu

Just set it up, now I can control charging and HVAC from the app.

spakman

mp3guy wrote: »

FYI Blue Link has been released in Europe: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hyundai.bluelink.eu

Just set it up, now I can control charging and HVAC from the app.

No problems with your VIN? When I enter mine it says "Enter a valid VIN".
It's definitely correct, entered it on a website which decoded it. wasn't sure between 0 and O but tried both.
Maybe 191s aren't supported?

innrain

No is not supported
https://www.hyundai.news/eu/brand/bluelinkr-connected-car-services-on-all-models/

it says "Bluelink Connected Car Services are available to all customers who choose the new optional onboard AVN system that comes with 10.25-inch split touchscreen."
Unfortunately the Irish spec had no option of the 10" screen AVN in 2019

innrain

Cold fast (50kW Sandyford triple) charging Kona gen1 2019
Outside temp 3°C Battery temp 3/4°C. Starting SOC 20%
I'm using EVNotify which displays 3 temps Min/Max and Inlet

Charging starts a 20kW and stays there until Inlet temperature reaches 20°C then jumps to 40kW where it stays while the battery warms up. Lastly it jumps to 46/47 kW when the battery pack is getting close to 20°C. From there pretty much constant. Unfortunately 45 mins were not enough to reach 75% point where Kona normally limits the charging speed.
Overall I charged a bit over 32 kWh which is 5 kWh less that the peak value I was able to charge in 45 mins. This translates to about 30 km less or expressed in time 6 minutes slower as compared to the peak values. Or better 86.5% max charging speed.
It will be interesting to do the 150 kW comparison summer/winter but unfortunately I have no such unit nearby.

innrain

innrain wrote: »

The facelift was announced. Hopefully it will keep the premium specs, which got missing here previously.

It looks better and that hideous plastic everywhere is gone, or at least painted lol.

Shame the charging speed is still slow, 47 mins to 80% on a "100 kw charger"

mp3guy

Looks like we're all getting new batteries https://electrek.co/2021/02/17/hyundai-reportedly-set-to-replace-kona-lg-batteries-in-korea/

innrain

Yeah that is a bit unclear. It is unclear where are they going to do the replacement and for which market. Some report that they consider just Korea for the moment considering there were reported 16 fires from which 11 where in SK. It is strange enough that they can't replicate the fires and pinpoint to the problem. That is shaking the confidence that they know what are they doing.

slave1

innrain wrote: »

Yeah that is a bit unclear. It is unclear where are they going to do the replacement and for which market. Some report that they consider just Korea for the moment considering there were reported 16 fires from which 11 where in SK. It is strange enough that they can't replicate the fires and pinpoint to the problem. That is shaking the confidence that they know what are they doing.

If it's serious enough for them to replace all batteries in one market then they would be in serious trouble if not replacing all batteries in all markets, the replacement is open admission there is an issue.
Same with Tesla MCU replacement, US first then worldwide.

Smee_Again

The BBC are reporting that there was an earlier fix designed to correct the issue, does anyone know the reference for this recall?

mp3guy

Smee_Again wrote: »

The BBC are reporting that there was an earlier fix designed to correct the issue, does anyone know the reference for this recall?

That fix updated the BMS to tighten the tolerances on cell voltage difference, so people's cars would throw up an error before it went on fire. It was a stop gap allowing Hyundai a chance to analyse batteries on their way out. Word on the street is that it's faulty separators.

10-10-20

I got that notification in the post in early January from Hyundai Ireland and I had the car updated last week.

The letter itself may as well have said "...we have to update the software thing that does battery stuff because we think it might do things and stuff to prevent other negative things and stuff".

I was well unimpressed with the communicative effort. I know they're under NDA's and such but it read like they had no confidence in whatever the hell they semi-thought it was supposed to fix.

Smee_Again

mp3guy wrote: »

That fix updated the BMS to tighten the tolerances on cell voltage difference, so people's cars would throw up an error before it went on fire. It was a stop gap allowing Hyundai a chance to analyse batteries on their way out. Word on the street is that it's faulty separators.

So is it a fair assumption that if I received a recall notice on the battery already my car is likely affected by this too?

Basically wondering if I'm in the queue for a new battery.

innrain

Smee_Again wrote: »

The BBC are reporting that there was an earlier fix designed to correct the issue, does anyone know the reference for this recall?

My last one from December 14th had reference 01D012 and referred to ESP(Electric Stability Program) Upgrade.
It seems it is getting closer to an announcement
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hyundai-motor-electric-recall-idUKKBN2AO0JS
The last bit there "Kona and Ioniq owners are advised to limit battery charging to 90% of capacity until the battery has been replaced, Hyundai said." should probably be written in bold.

mp3guy

Smee_Again wrote: »

So is it a fair assumption that if I received a recall notice on the battery already my car is likely affected by this too?

Basically wondering if I'm in the queue for a new battery.

Yes.