Championship and Covid

CrabRevolution · 20-05-2020 10:24am

Bonniedog wrote: »

There was story in one of tabloids hinting at inter county team(s) secretly training.

Didnt read it and there has been no follow on so take it that it was made up.

No way inter county team be that stupid. Hundreds of people would know straight away. Be no secret!

I've heard of small groups training off their own initiative, but as you say nobody would be so stupid as to train as a team. It'd be impossible to hide and would invoke an extremely negative reaction so it's not worth the risk.

Bonniedog · 20-05-2020 10:29am

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I've heard of small groups training off their own initiative, but as you say nobody would be so stupid as to train as a team. It'd be impossible to hide and would invoke an extremely negative reaction so it's not worth the risk.

I've heard of players having puck arounds in twos - now fours is okay! - but don't think anyone even believes there will be inter county this year.

Puck arounds more for personal sanity than anything else probably!

xredmanlfcx · 20-05-2020 11:10am

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

One of the first GAA clubs to go back training

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/it-was-a-godsend-to-be-back-on-the-grass-swiss-gaa-club-among-first-to-return-to-training-1000487.html

Thanks for sharing, good read.

feargale · 22-05-2020 12:54am

Linda Martin is asking "why me?" She says if there is to be no Ireland in Eurovision 2021 there should be no Ireland in any sport. Youse are all bunched. That's us out of the next Olympics, World Cups etc etc.
Ah yes, Linda and the ould culture.

Kerrydude1981 · 22-05-2020 6:22pm

DanielODonnell · 23-05-2020 2:18pm

We all know who was going to win the 2020 championship anyway so I won't lose a second of sleep if it is all cancelled

Realt Dearg Sec · 23-05-2020 2:46pm

DanielODonnell wrote: »

We all know who was going to win the 2020 championship anyway so I won't lose a second of sleep if it is all cancelled

Tipp for the two in a row? I agree they were favourites but hardly a shoe in.

23-05-2020 3:19pm

I’d say Limerick could have gave them a big run for it this year.

CrabRevolution · 24-05-2020 9:42pm

I see Colm O'Rourke reckons we should be restarting underage games immediately and will have senior inter county championship by August.

He says he hopes the GAA Medical committee endorse his ideas, and if they don't they should. You'd wonder why we have Doctors at all when O'Rourke knows better than all of them....

Bonniedog · 24-05-2020 9:50pm

Kids are already socialising in non distancing groups. On roads close to me when I was out earlier today, you had a huge bouncy castle for toddlers, a football match and 5/6 girls pucking a ball around!

No child under 12 has died and very few (any??) have been infected. It is time to lift the restrictions on schools and sports.

On a practical note, however, I was listening to John O'Leary on radio earlier - he's involved in Fingal Ravens under 12s - and he reckons there's no chance of logistically getting the whole thing together competitively any time soon. Training be first step with smaller numbers he reckons.

Senior inter county just not going to happen.

CrabRevolution · 24-05-2020 9:57pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Kids are already socialising in non distancing groups. On roads close to me when I was out earlier today, you had a huge bouncy castle for toddlers, a football match and 5/6 girls pucking a ball around!

No child under 12 has died and very few (any??) have been infected. It is time to lift the restrictions on schools and sports.

On a practical note, however, I was listening to John O'Leary on radio earlier - he's involved in Fingal Ravens under 12s - and he reckons there's no chance of logistically getting the whole thing together competitively any time soon. Training be first step with smaller numbers he reckons.

Senior inter county just not going to happen.

I'm not commenting either way on the risk, but several hundred people under 14 have been confirmed positive, including 150 under 5 years old. I'd also imagine it's a major undercount as they'd be by far the least tested population.
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/summary/

poppers · 24-05-2020 10:06pm

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I see Colm O'Rourke reckons we should be restarting underage games immediately and will have senior inter county championship by August.

He says he hopes the GAA Medical committee endorse his ideas, and if they don't they should. You'd wonder why we have Doctors at all when O'Rourke knows better than all of them....

While iagree the gaa shoud restart only 2 weeks ago
The same colm who was saying it was no safe to hold the leaving cert this year.
Think omcolm like to be on the populist side of the argument

Bonniedog · 24-05-2020 10:10pm

No doubt probably more than 400 odd under 14s have had/have the virus but symptoms have not been serious enough to prompt parents to go to have it checked. Which suggests a high level of natural resistance unfortunately absent in older cohorts.

Interesting that of the almost 1,000 meat workers tested that only 15 required hospitalization and of those who were found to have virus 60% were back in work with several weeks.

Presumably none of them actually felt ill and only a minority would have had the test had it not been for the clusters being identified.

So it is a complex situation but overall picture surely suggests that we be a bit more pro active in lifting the restrictions?

GAA is neither here nor there. They did right thing based on evidence at time and we should just write this year off and thank our stars the pandemic did not turn out to be worse.

24-05-2020 11:07pm

Hopefully the pandemic will not resurface in the next couple of months, as regards the clusters in the meat factories the workers were afraid to go sick because the conditions they work under bring attension on the factories they work in.

mountgomery burns · 25-05-2020 1:01am

CrabRevolution wrote: »

I see Colm O'Rourke reckons we should be restarting underage games immediately and will have senior inter county championship by August.

He says he hopes the GAA Medical committee endorse his ideas, and if they don't they should. You'd wonder why we have Doctors at all when O'Rourke knows better than all of them....

Underage games wouldn't have been due to commence until July, but the advice provided by our National team of experts overseeing the emergency response was to have small team training back by June 8th and all pitches open from May 18th.

Apparently, the GAA management committee and County Board chairmen know better than NPHET in that case as the Covid Response committee has only been set up subsequently.

For what it's worth, I think Horan had a point in saying it would be difficult to marshal if the pitches opened everywhere. But there's a direct contradiction to that pragmatism in talks of simply delaying the phased approach by an additional two months:

"It's expected that a phased approach to returning to training and playing will be laid out; one that will be developed in full collaboration with the chief medical experts.

If the green light is in time given, return-to-training phases will start off with small groups, expand to full group non-contact training, and eventually full contact training."

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0513/1138200-covid-19-advisory-group-discusses-gaa-roadmap/

Bonniedog · 25-05-2020 2:41am

Fred Daly wrote: »

Hopefully the pandemic will not resurface in the next couple of months, as regards the clusters in the meat factories the workers were afraid to go sick because the conditions they work under bring attension on the factories they work in.

They didnt know they were sick in vast majority of cases! Until tested and symptoms were mild.

Yes, they do have poor conditions and poor union representation in SIPTU which is happy to go along with low wages = 50c above minimum wage- and below in reality for agency workers, once the subs come in to pay their vast bureaucracy of leftie party time servers. . Same as in Keelings and other places.

Fr Tod Umptious · 25-05-2020 8:14am

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Underage games wouldn't have been due to commence until July, but the advice provided by our National team of experts overseeing the emergency response was to have small team training back by June 8th and all pitches open from May 18th.

Apparently, the GAA management committee and County Board chairmen know better than NPHET in that case as the Covid Response committee has only been set up subsequently.

For what it's worth, I think Horan had a point in saying it would be difficult to marshal if the pitches opened everywhere. But there's a direct contradiction to that pragmatism in talks of simply delaying the phased approach by an additional two months:

"It's expected that a phased approach to returning to training and playing will be laid out; one that will be developed in full collaboration with the chief medical experts.

If the green light is in time given, return-to-training phases will start off with small groups, expand to full group non-contact training, and eventually full contact training."

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0513/1138200-covid-19-advisory-group-discusses-gaa-roadmap/

July ?

Much earlier than that.

For example Kerry under 12 county league was due to start on March 29th.

And Feile Pel na nOg due to be held in Ulster would be done and dusted in late June.

mountgomery burns · 25-05-2020 11:05am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

July ?

Much earlier than that.

For example Kerry under 12 county league was due to start on March 29th.

And Feile Pel na nOg due to be held in Ulster would be done and dusted in late June.

I mean under the Governments 5 phase plan. There were underage games played in January/February

arctictree · 25-05-2020 6:15pm

Our county (Wicklow) still publish the full weekly fixtures online but they are all marked as postponed. I really think the GAA should publish a full back to business plan. Starting with u8s all the way up to senior....

xredmanlfcx · 26-05-2020 11:10am

arctictree wrote: »

Our county (Wicklow) still publish the full weekly fixtures online but they are all marked as postponed. I really think the GAA should publish a full back to business plan. Starting with u8s all the way up to senior....

Very hard to do so when you don't know when you'll be returning to playing matches. I.e. you don't know for how long this year, if at all. So it's practically impossible to restructure the schedules of tournaments at the moment.

Feenie · 28-05-2020 11:01am

I'm alright with the senior county game being put on hold, we can live without it for a year.
Open up our GAA pitches, let us go for a kick or a puck around. Sooner rather than later let the young fellas play a few matches with their clubs. As time goes on, let some of the older age groups play, and of course the crowds would get bigger, so be careful.
If we don't get something, college, county, club or whatever else, Ireland will lose it's ****ing mind.

mountgomery burns · 28-05-2020 5:16pm

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0528/1143212-counties-plan-as-gaa-clarify-social-distancing-stance/

PTH2009 · 31-05-2020 2:15pm

It would piss you off wouldn't it

Glorious match weather

To hear the dreaded or joyful 'Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please'

Mushy · 31-05-2020 7:25pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

It would piss you off wouldn't it

Glorious match weather

To hear the dreaded or joyful 'Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please Gardai and Stewards end of match positions please'

Be scalded on a terrace in this weather, it would be great.

kaizersoze · 02-06-2020 1:31am

New infections on the rise again.
Morans thronging to beaches and parks in the last week then capped off by this in Dublin yesterday.....

This is the kind of ****e that will scupper any acceleration in the easing of restrictions. 2 weeks time will tell alot.

All is not lost though. We have Colm O'Rourke today saying that the GAA was being over cautious and should be opening up....that's the same Colm O'Rourke that 3 weeks ago was saying it wasn't safe to hold the leaving cert.:rolleyes:

Mick McGraw · 02-06-2020 11:08am

Disgraceful that the march yesterday it was allowed to go ahead.

The same people marching yesterday are almost certainly the same exact types who will be pontificating to everyone about protecting the vulnerable and front line staff .

Idiots not following guidelines is almost certainly going to be used as a reason to push out the lock down even further and could undo a lot of progress that has been made in controlling the disease in the last month or so.

March with thousands of people in Dublin = OK
GAA training session with around 30 people = Not OK.

RebelRising18 · 02-06-2020 12:30pm

Mick McGraw wrote: »

Disgraceful that the march yesterday it was allowed to go ahead.

The same people marching yesterday are almost certainly the same exact types who will be pontificating to everyone about protecting the vulnerable and front line staff .

Idiots not following guidelines is almost certainly going to be used as a reason to push out the lock down even further and could undo a lot of progress that has been made in controlling the disease in the last month or so.

March with thousands of people in Dublin = OK
GAA training session with around 30 people = Not OK.

It’ll be interesting to see if there is a spike in cases because of the protest in a couple of weeks time, if not there is no reason to stop club training and games going ahead in July/August as planned.

dobman88 · 02-06-2020 2:15pm

That's after annoying me a lot more than I feel it should. I cant go home to Kerry alone and go for a hike alone and stay with my brother but 1000s of people can go for a march across a city in close proximity to one another. Ive done my level best to abide by everything the government have suggested and enforced. We're either practicing social distancing and enforcing restrictions or we're not. I was so close to jumping in the car and head for Killarney this morning only the missus talked me out of it.

02-06-2020 2:22pm

dobman88 wrote: »

That's after annoying me a lot more than I feel it should. I cant go home to Kerry alone and go for a hike alone and stay with my brother but 1000s of people can go for a march across a city in close proximity to one another. Ive done my level best to abide by everything the government have suggested and enforced. We're either practicing social distancing and enforcing restrictions or we're not. I was so close to jumping in the car and head for Killarney this morning only the missus talked me out of it.

The vast majority of the media are completely whitewashing it too. We really are just pawns.

dobman88 · 02-06-2020 2:33pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The vast majority of the media are completely whitewashing it too. We really are just pawns.

Yeah I was surprised nobody picked up on it to call out the flouting of restrictions. I 100% support the cause they are protesting for, I just dont think it should be done while we're on lockdown and have restricted movement.

Now I'm gone miles off topic and I apologise. Just needed to vent and I tend to avoid the other forums on here.

xredmanlfcx · 02-06-2020 3:07pm

Buff Egan posted his opinion on the march in Dublin regarding mass gatherings. He supports the #BlackLivesMatter movement, but he is opposed to the march being allowed to happen when the government are giving advice to do the exact opposite. He calls for Leo to lift the lockdowns or condemn the march. Interesting.

Realt Dearg Sec · 02-06-2020 3:19pm

xredmanlfcx wrote: »

Buff Egan posted his opinion on the march in Dublin regarding mass gatherings. He supports the #BlackLivesMatter movement, but he is opposed to the march being allowed to happen when the government are giving advice to do the exact opposite. He calls for Leo to lift the lockdowns or condemn the march. Interesting.

In these challenging times the nation looks to Buff Egan for leadership and insight.

mountgomery burns · 02-06-2020 3:24pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

In these challenging times the nation looks to Buff Egan for leadership and insight.

I know what you mean, but in this case he is right though.

Realt Dearg Sec · 02-06-2020 5:24pm

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I know what you mean, but in this case he is right though.

Ah yeah, it's just that the opinion is so widely held it's kind of odd to single out the fact that buff Egan holds it.

xredmanlfcx · 03-06-2020 10:12am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Ah yeah, it's just that the opinion is so widely held it's kind of odd to single out the fact that buff Egan holds it.

This is a public forum for posting opinions and having discussions. I posted what Buff Egan made of it, for those who hadn't already seen it.

Realt Dearg Sec · 03-06-2020 2:21pm

xredmanlfcx wrote: »

This is a public forum for posting opinions and having discussions. I posted what Buff Egan made of it, for those who hadn't already seen it.

My mate John thinks keeping the public safe has to be priority one, and thinks the reopening of pitches should be done slowly.

PTH2009 · 04-06-2020 9:41pm

If the knockout Championship happens in October/November will it actually replicate the championship as we know it ??

All Ireland final build up events, Parades for the winners etc

blowitupref · 04-06-2020 11:19pm

From the Irish Examiner

Inter-county teams will be told by the GAA that they cannot officially return to collective training until September.

The stipulation comes as details of the Association’s plans to restart Gaelic football and hurling were released to their management committee and Central Council on Thursday evening.

GAA director of player, club, and games administration Feargal McGill, who is on the organisation’s Covid-19 advisory committee, was among Croke Park officials who briefed delegates about the roadmap in a teleconference.

Details of the plan will not be released until the Government confirm on Friday that the phase two of its own roadmap will go ahead on Monday. Not only is it expected that pitches with walkways will reopen pending application next week but the GAA are set to allow training to resume on June 28, the start of the Government’s phase three, instead of July 20.

In news that was greeted with relief and cheer by delegates, it is envisaged that club action will return in mid to late July with the possibility that counties could have 10 weeks or more to complete their championships. It had been suggested that the provincial and All-Ireland club competitions could be jettisoned but that has yet to be confirmed.

The GAA maintain the inter-county scene will recommence in October with a straight knock-out format being adopted in both senior football and hurling championships. It is expected that will run up to the end of November with a strong chance one of the major games could coincide with the Bloody Sunday centenary commemoration in Croke Park on November 22.

The Central Competitions Control Committee are expected to provide further information on how they envisage the Championships being structured and scheduled although a new provincial draw is not required in football but will be needed in hurling as both Leinster and Munster competitions currently run on a rota system.

A press conference outlining exactly what the remainder of the season from a national perspective could take place next week. The GAA’s roadmap will require approval from the Government’s Return To Sport expert group but that is not expected to be an issue.

The GAA have been buoyed by the expert advice of the medical expertise on their coronavirus advisory body that the extent of the disease is weakening, and while restrictions will be in place for the foreseeable future it is envisaged crowds will be able to attend Championship games in the autumn

CBear1993 · 05-06-2020 12:43am

Good news. Clubs will get a chance to let rip at it

PTH2009 · 05-06-2020 1:52am

CBear1993 wrote: »

Good news. Clubs will get a chance to let rip at it

1st round club games will be brawls

Lots of pent-up anger brewing cause of this lockdown

Realt Dearg Sec · 05-06-2020 2:06am

PTH2009 wrote: »

1st round club games will be brawls

Lots of pent-up anger brewing cause of this lockdown

And there'll be a total lack of skill because nobody will have had a chance to get their eye in properly, so it'll be great for hatchet men generally.

Will be great to see the clubs get a proper run at summer unimpeded though, forcing them to play their most important games in the winter time has been destroying the game at grassroots level for years.

CBear1993 · 05-06-2020 6:50pm

Who honestly let Dick Clerkin become chairman of GAA medical and scientific committee? Correct me if I’m wrong but the man hasn’t a medical or health qualification to be seen, check his LinkedIn.

He’s hard enough to listen to on tv without him dictating how the game returns. A very dislikable character

namloc1980 · 05-06-2020 6:52pm

How do they propose running this championship if its starting on the 17th October?

PTH2009 · 05-06-2020 6:58pm

Have to be happy with the proposals and it be great to have some sort of IC Championship

Jesus winning an All Ireland near Christmas would be something else

CBear1993 · 05-06-2020 7:11pm

Agreed. Good news. Giving the “good weather” months to the clubs. Will be testing for the county teams in winter

PTH2009 · 05-06-2020 7:27pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Agreed. Good news. Giving the “good weather” months to the clubs. Will be testing for the county teams in winter

Yeah be interesting in that regard. Over the years some teams played better in worse conditions

Im guessing starting September 2020 will also act as preseason for 2021 with the leagues starting Feb 2021 (maybe the pre season cups will be scrapped for 2021)

Im guessing the structure will be pre back door with Provincial knockout then All Ireland series for the Prov winners and maybe finalists too

blowitupref · 05-06-2020 7:28pm

the full breakdown of the GAA plan:

From 8 June

Walkways only opened
GAA pitches to remain closed
All GAA buildings to remain closed
Individual training in line with Government recommendations
Gaelic Games Covid education module to be developed and officer/player training plan rolled out

From 29 June

GAA pitches to open for small group training (adult and juvenile)
All building remain closed (exception for toilets)
All training is non-contact in this phase
Small groups – 10 players or two coaches in a dedicated area of the field
Players arrive and depart togged out
Health questionnaire must be completed
Covid supervisor for each team
Underage players must be dropped off/collected
Only players/management permitted entry to grounds
Running, aerobic, agility, ball work – social distancing
No sharing of equipment like water bottles

From 20 July

Return to contact training
Club games from Friday 31 July
Buildings remain closed
Health questionnaire, Covid supervisor, collation of data still in place
Further information on spectators, spectator safety should be available at this point, will be issued to clubs as we get it

From 10 August

Club games continue (window with county players: 31 July – 11 October)
Access to facilities permitted, subject to social distancing, regular cleaning etc
County training resumes 14 September
Inter-county schedule to start no earlier than 17 October
CCCC will produce full fixtures schedule once

kksaints · 05-06-2020 8:05pm

Guidelines look good although I'd be surprised if spectators are allowed for the first few weeks unless case figures drop to zero.

seligehgit · 05-06-2020 8:57pm

John Horan interview with Mary Wilson on Drivetime re the GAA's return to playing plans.

He directly addresses the spectator issue.

Croker will likely have a 25% maximum capacity with a 2 metre social distancing in situ.

A number of stadia will not be suited to use for the inter county championship due to their layout.

The championship may run over into 2021.

https://podcast.rasset.ie/podcasts/audio/2020/0605/20200605_rteradio1-drivetime-gaareopeni_c21783321_21783325_232_.mp3

C__MC · 05-06-2020 9:02pm

Championship to go ahead as knockout so we think

Draws already made in football
Cork v Kerry
Donegal v tyrone
Knockout games to look forward to

Hurling draws will have to be made again
Although in hurling once you make a provincial final you get through to all ireland semi

This is what we are led to believe but could change

Either final to correspond with Bloody Sunday centenary

Championship and Covid

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