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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    RedDevil55 wrote: »
    That's the case for intercounty but as things stand, GAA clubs will open on 20th July and club competitions could begin shortly after. John Horan announced that last Sunday too.

    Did he? He left the door open but didn't give me the impression he was confident it would happen:
    "We are holding those July and October dates out but if we can't realise those dates, then we will have to make more serious decisions and push it out more. If we push it out more it may mean we'll have to call off club or inter-county championships and maybe then we'll have to call off both.


  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Did he? He left the door open but didn't give me the impression he was confident it would happen:

    People are just arguing over semantics at this stage. Nobody is sure how things will be in 2 or 3 months time, all we can go on is current projections.

    The plan is for GAA grounds to open on 20th July with club championships given priority to be ran first. Intercounty will follow afterwards at a date no sooner than October.

    There was no blanket ban on GAA activity until October!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    He did not say that at all


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=8YAdnyaZpLA

    Listen to his interview on the SG....first question
    "Will Gaelic games be played at any level while social distancing is in place?"
    A: "I can't see it happening...."

    Leos announcement about the 24th took them by surprise. They looked at it but they know it's not workable and wont happen. Could be reviewed as he mentioned but unlikely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    kaizersoze wrote: »

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=8YAdnyaZpLA

    Listen to his interview on the SG....first question
    "Will Gaelic games be played at any level while social distancing is in place?"
    A: "I can't see it happening...."

    Leos announcement about the 24th took them by surprise. They looked at it but they know it's not workable and wont happen. Could be reviewed as he mentioned but unlikely.

    The 24th of when? He says they feel both October dates (for a possible return to inter -county) and July 20th for the opening of club grounds for their activities are "safe" in his own words.

    You said no games until October, that is inter-county they are talking about. He said he wants clubs to take priority as it affects more people, so you would anticipate them starting earlier. And I acknowledge what he said about social distancing, and under the definition we have I agree it doesn't make sense how you could play the sport under those conditions. All the more reason to question why this was included in the Gov document, is it:

    A) an analysis done by the experts in this area to conclude based on current trends that there could be a safe environment for matches to be played by this date

    B) Politicians dangling carrots in front of the public to achieve short term compliance with the restrictions they have put in place

    C) something else


    Either way, as I've been saying all day we need them to clarify that and I imagine the task force they e setup in the GAA will have that as there first port of call. Below is the from the GAA statement last week, last line again relevant to October being specifically for inter-county:


    "We are instructing our clubs and counties to continue to adhere to the restrictions and to refrain from organising on-field activity. These measures are expected to remain in place until July 20.

    We will continue to monitor the dates and timelines as revealed by the Government and our arrangements will remain under constant review.

    Our units are reminded that the Player Injury scheme is suspended and will remain so until an official return to action protocol is confirmed.

    The GAA still firmly hopes to be able to play county and club competitions this year, subject of course to public health guidance. We can confirm however that no inter-county games are expected to take place before October"


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    The 24th of when? He says they feel both October dates (for a possible return to inter -county) and July 20th for the opening of club grounds for their activities are "safe" in his own words.

    You said no games until October, that is inter-county they are talking about. He said he wants clubs to take priority as it affects more people, so you would anticipate them starting earlier. And I acknowledge what he said about social distancing, and under the definition we have I agree it doesn't make sense how you could play the sport under those conditions. All the more reason to question why this was included in the Gov document, is it:

    A) an analysis done by the experts in this area to conclude based on current trends that there could be a safe environment for matches to be played by this date

    B) Politicians dangling carrots in front of the public to achieve short term compliance with the restrictions they have put in place

    C) something else


    Either way, as I've been saying all day we need them to clarify that and I imagine the task force they e setup in the GAA will have that as there first port of call. Below is the from the GAA statement last week, last line again relevant to October being specifically for inter-county:


    "We are instructing our clubs and counties to continue to adhere to the restrictions and to refrain from organising on-field activity. These measures are expected to remain in place until July 20.

    We will continue to monitor the dates and timelines as revealed by the Government and our arrangements will remain under constant review.

    Our units are reminded that the Player Injury scheme is suspended and will remain so until an official return to action protocol is confirmed.

    The GAA still firmly hopes to be able to play county and club competitions this year, subject of course to public health guidance. We can confirm however that no inter-county games are expected to take place before October"

    Apologies. I meant the 20th July. The thread is about Championship and Covid though although it has derailed a bit. That's really what i was referring to.

    In all honesty I cant see club activity until much later than July. It's really not practical or managable.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981


    Our county secretary was on Radio Kerry last weekend he was saying that the GAA should see how the professional sports get on and see if there is anything that we could use

    Was reading this last night

    https://www.the42.ie/bundesliga-5098350-May2020/


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Our county secretary was on Radio Kerry last weekend he was saying that the GAA should see how the professional sports get on and see if there is anything that we could use

    Was reading this last night

    https://www.the42.ie/bundesliga-5098350-May2020/

    Comparisons to the Bundesliga/Premier League are a waste of time. It comes down to a resources and time. The more resources you have, the less time you've to wait till you can play. Obviously the Bundesliga has resources beyond anything the GAA could ever muster, so they can afford to test/split/buy anything necessary to get going ahead of other sports.

    In Scotland it was estimated that it would cost €2.3 Million just to test players in order to complete the remaining 49 games of the SPFL, and that's seen as simply unaffordable despite them being a professional body. I said earlier in the thread that a more useful comparison to the GAA is lower league soccer in the UK, where I've heard more talk about going bust than restarting any time soon. Obviously the GAA isn't at much risk of going bust, but the resources aren't there to bring in testing for teams etc.

    Then on top of this you've the fact they're professionals. I won't say soccer clubs "own" their players, but being their employer they can make far more demands of them regarding their lifestyle, isolation etc. than the GAA could ever make of their players.

    It's important the GAA get the date right because once a date is chosen it'll be very difficult to rein back in. That's why I commend the GAA for keeping clubs closed for now, because they know it'll be impossible to police and it's inevitable that some will take liberties. If 2 groups of 4 are training on the same pitch, I could easily see it becoming 1 group on 8...then 16, and then the whole team is training together and ignoring the rules. Same with the pubs and their "careful, clean pub" plan to open early; it's just a way of getting a foot in the door and then after a few weeks turning back into old ways, by which time it'll be difficult to bring in new rules.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns




  • Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭xredmanlfcx


    Comparisons to the Bundesliga/Premier League are a waste of time. It comes down to a resources and time. The more resources you have, the less time you've to wait till you can play. Obviously the Bundesliga has resources beyond anything the GAA could ever muster, so they can afford to test/split/buy anything necessary to get going ahead of other sports.

    In Scotland it was estimated that it would cost €2.3 Million just to test players in order to complete the remaining 49 games of the SPFL, and that's seen as simply unaffordable despite them being a professional body. I said earlier in the thread that a more useful comparison to the GAA is lower league soccer in the UK, where I've heard more talk about going bust than restarting any time soon. Obviously the GAA isn't at much risk of going bust, but the resources aren't there to bring in testing for teams etc.

    Then on top of this you've the fact they're professionals. I won't say soccer clubs "own" their players, but being their employer they can make far more demands of them regarding their lifestyle, isolation etc. than the GAA could ever make of their players.

    It's important the GAA get the date right because once a date is chosen it'll be very difficult to rein back in. That's why I commend the GAA for keeping clubs closed for now, because they know it'll be impossible to police and it's inevitable that some will take liberties. If 2 groups of 4 are training on the same pitch, I could easily see it becoming 1 group on 8...then 16, and then the whole team is training together and ignoring the rules. Same with the pubs and their "careful, clean pub" plan to open early; it's just a way of getting a foot in the door and then after a few weeks turning back into old ways, by which time it'll be difficult to bring in new rules.
    It's a waste of time comparing resources. But it's not a waste of time comparing the ability to play sport matches. The Bundesliga will provide information for every sporting organisation in Europe in a couple of weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    It's a waste of time comparing resources. But it's not a waste of time comparing the ability to play sport matches. The Bundesliga will provide information for every sporting organisation in Europe in a couple of weeks.

    My entire point is that when you can play sport matches depends on your resources. You can't just wish away the connection between the 2.


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  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Professional soccer players from the big leagues can isolate from everyone else if they need to as they’re getting paid for it. A GAA player can’t.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,410 ✭✭✭shockframe


    You can't compare the championship with the Bundesliga.

    They still have a few games left to play with a very close title race (the closest in a few years) and also relegation with 3 or 4 teams in the mix.

    They've gone too far in the season to void it. We haven't even started a championship.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    shockframe wrote: »
    You can't compare the championship with the Bundesliga.

    They still have a few games left to play with a very close title race (the closest in a few years) and also relegation with 3 or 4 teams in the mix.

    They've gone too far in the season to void it. We haven't even started a championship.

    They'd 13 games left to play ahead of this weekend. I agree the comparison is not relevant between professional sport to amateur sport. But don't think fixtures have any relevance here. Even if there league hadn't started and had to be pushed out, they wouldn't be able to wait too long before returning to action.

    Anyway, I think if the fall in numbers admitted to hospital continues to decline amateur sport will resume late in the summer. There may be some who decide it's not worth the risk which is fair enough, but I think the appetite will be there. Think those who believe nothing will happen before a vaccine/treatment is found are misguided. Though large attendances are not a runner until that point I would agree.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As usual all the ones clamouring for everything to return are the ones it won’t affect and it’s a big case of “I’m fed up and **** everyone else”. By the time this is all over there’s going to be some division around this country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Fred Daly


    Put it down to ignorance.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So bury anyone older so as you can watch a bit of ball? Nice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    If people listen to the medical profession - yes, the ones who have lost over 1,000 elderly people under 24/7 care! - then we'll be under lockdown for ever.

    Virus is not going away.

    We need a vaccine but in meantime we need to balance an acceptable number of deaths against the potential destruction of economy and communities through an unending period of restrictions.

    Winter flu - with vaccine - kills 6-700,000 in a few months every year. Societies just deal with it.

    Is it not a contradiction to claim that deaths from disease are inevitable and unavoidable, but at the same time deaths from disease only happened because the medical profession failed in their jobs?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    This is one of the consequences of closing schools :)

    BTW, no elderly person died in my house in last two months. Nursing home up the road run by doctors is like fkn Treblinka.

    Open your eyes.

    That's like saying we should close all hospitals because there's loads of sick and dying people there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog




    There was story in one of tabloids hinting at inter county team(s) secretly training.

    Didnt read it and there has been no follow on so take it that it was made up.

    No way inter county team be that stupid. Hundreds of people would know straight away. Be no secret!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    There was story in one of tabloids hinting at inter county team(s) secretly training.

    Didnt read it and there has been no follow on so take it that it was made up.

    No way inter county team be that stupid. Hundreds of people would know straight away. Be no secret!

    I've heard of small groups training off their own initiative, but as you say nobody would be so stupid as to train as a team. It'd be impossible to hide and would invoke an extremely negative reaction so it's not worth the risk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    I've heard of small groups training off their own initiative, but as you say nobody would be so stupid as to train as a team. It'd be impossible to hide and would invoke an extremely negative reaction so it's not worth the risk.

    I've heard of players having puck arounds in twos - now fours is okay! - but don't think anyone even believes there will be inter county this year.

    Puck arounds more for personal sanity than anything else probably!


  • Registered Users Posts: 531 ✭✭✭xredmanlfcx




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Linda Martin is asking "why me?" She says if there is to be no Ireland in Eurovision 2021 there should be no Ireland in any sport. Youse are all bunched. That's us out of the next Olympics, World Cups etc etc.
    Ah yes, Linda and the ould culture.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 652 ✭✭✭DanielODonnell


    We all know who was going to win the 2020 championship anyway so I won't lose a second of sleep if it is all cancelled


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,824 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    We all know who was going to win the 2020 championship anyway so I won't lose a second of sleep if it is all cancelled

    Tipp for the two in a row? I agree they were favourites but hardly a shoe in.


  • Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’d say Limerick could have gave them a big run for it this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,801 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    I see Colm O'Rourke reckons we should be restarting underage games immediately and will have senior inter county championship by August.

    He says he hopes the GAA Medical committee endorse his ideas, and if they don't they should. You'd wonder why we have Doctors at all when O'Rourke knows better than all of them....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Kids are already socialising in non distancing groups. On roads close to me when I was out earlier today, you had a huge bouncy castle for toddlers, a football match and 5/6 girls pucking a ball around!

    No child under 12 has died and very few (any??) have been infected. It is time to lift the restrictions on schools and sports.

    On a practical note, however, I was listening to John O'Leary on radio earlier - he's involved in Fingal Ravens under 12s - and he reckons there's no chance of logistically getting the whole thing together competitively any time soon. Training be first step with smaller numbers he reckons.

    Senior inter county just not going to happen.


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