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Donegal Asylum Centre Torched

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  • #252
    AllForIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I do think that ppl from war torn countries should if necessary move to counties that are similar to their own, culturally most especially, religiously, and even climatically. Not an exact match but as similar as possible.

    Why would anyone from Syria wish to live in one of the wettest darkest counties in Ireland? If I were Syrian I'd prefer to move to a country of similar cultural background and a similar climate, like Turkey for example.

    Think of it this way. If war broke out in Ireland would you be happy to move to Iraq if it was stable there. You'd be moving to a completely different culture and you prolly couldn't cope with the flies and the heat. Surely the same issues apply to Syrians moving to Ireland as well.

    I find it really interesting that some seem to think that having ppl from completely different cultural backgrounds present in this country is of some value. I don't think it is, as much as it isn't for us as it isn't for them, especially when they are escaping war, because there don't really want to live here. If ppl really wan't to come here from abroad then that's fine where of course we have control over the numbers that do.


  • #253
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Geuze wrote: »
    I condemn this arson act.

    I also condemn the hundreds/thousands of bogus AS who enter Ireland illegally.

    Many enter from the UK.

    Bear in mind that far from fleeing persecution, they have arrived from the UK, where they have over-stayed their visa.

    See section 3.4 here:

    https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf


    3.4 BORDER CONTROL
    Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants accounted for 50 per cent of all asylum applications in Ireland in 2015, at 9 per cent and 41 per cent respectively (see
    Figure 1.4). The majority of these applicants, according to IPO, had previously been resident in the UK. The influx of Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants contributed to asylum application figures doubling between 2014 and 2015 (see Figure 1.3).

    The Minister for Justice and Equality reported that the Irish government was working with the authorities in the UK to address the issue of young men from Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum (Lynch, 2015).


  • #254
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Geuze wrote: »
    See section 3.4 here:

    https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf


    3.4 BORDER CONTROL
    Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants accounted for 50 per cent of all asylum applications in Ireland in 2015, at 9 per cent and 41 per cent respectively (see
    Figure 1.4). The majority of these applicants, according to IPO, had previously been resident in the UK. The influx of Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants contributed to asylum application figures doubling between 2014 and 2015 (see Figure 1.3).

    The Minister for Justice and Equality reported that the Irish government was working with the authorities in the UK to address the issue of young men from Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum (Lynch, 2015).

    That be the same Bangladesh and Pakistan that forms 90+% of grooming paedophile gangs in the UK ?

    "Lock up your daughters!" used to be a light hearted line. Less so in this case sadly.


  • #255
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Geuze wrote: »
    I condemn this arson act.

    I also condemn the hundreds/thousands of bogus AS who enter Ireland illegally.

    Many enter from the UK.

    Bear in mind that far from fleeing persecution, they have arrived from the UK, where they have over-stayed their visa.


    After they enter Ireland illegally, then hundreds of male Asian illegal bogus AS continued to commit crime by entering into sham marriages.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/more-than-1-000-marriages-in-republic-confirmed-as-illegal-1.3536635

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=operation+vantage&rlz=1C1GCEU_enIE820IE821&oq=oPERATION+vANTAGE&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.4183j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


  • #256
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Geuze wrote: »
    I condemn this arson act.

    I also condemn the hundreds/thousands of bogus AS who enter Ireland illegally.

    Many enter from the UK.

    Bear in mind that far from fleeing persecution, they have arrived from the UK, where they have over-stayed their visa.

    The illegal asylum-seeker Mohammed ‘Romi’ Ramzan was responsible for over 100 sham marriages.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/game-over-for-cricket-playing-sham-marriage-organiser-1.3504789


    Why anybody would welcome illegal criminals to enter the country is beyond me.

    These people are criminals.


  • #257
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    how do these people get to Dublin Airport? How did they pay for it etc?

    Could that be a question that is non racial, just factual?

    Often via the UK.


  • #258
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Patriots
    Ah here. Setting fire to a building is scummy no matter what the protest behind it is. This wasted time and resources for the fire brigade, not to mention the costs of repairs. What about the poor feckers living next to it?


  • #259
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Grayson wrote: »
    My mum volunteered. I should be buying a house in the next year or two and I have no problem volunteering then. (I currently have a tiny one roomed apt that honestly would have difficulty hosting a hamster so it's just not possible now).

    There's an idea that people aren't altruistic. Some people seem to think that the idea that someone would house a refugee is crazy. It's not. there are loads of kind hearted people who do go well out of their way to help people.
    You'll be ok to give a room to one of the travellers so if you cant get fixed up with a Syrian


  • #260
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    Geuze wrote: »
    See section 3.4 here:

    https://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf


    3.4 BORDER CONTROL
    Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants accounted for 50 per cent of all asylum applications in Ireland in 2015, at 9 per cent and 41 per cent respectively (see
    Figure 1.4). The majority of these applicants, according to IPO, had previously been resident in the UK. The influx of Bangladeshi and Pakistani applicants contributed to asylum application figures doubling between 2014 and 2015 (see Figure 1.3).

    The Minister for Justice and Equality reported that the Irish government was working with the authorities in the UK to address the issue of young men from Bangladesh and Pakistan who were present on UK visas there coming to Ireland to seek asylum (Lynch, 2015).

    Why do we entertain this nonsense..

    They should be on the first plane home..


  • #261
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users Posts: 5,382 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    Allinall wrote: »
    Not so subtle condoning of criminal activity to support racism.

    Well done OP.
    mammajamma wrote: »
    Otherwise known in reality as "the news".

    You know, when things happen that are of enough importance they receive national broadcast on television and media.

    Your post is a not so subtle "don't pay attention" to support undemocratic, unwanted government decisions.

    Well done yourself.

    Your response would hold water if the OP just linked to the story. But they didn't. They expressed support for what happened.


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  • #262
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,912 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    These small towns are basically being told with little or no advanced notice that the demographic of their town is going to be changed overnight - that it's a done deal and they just have to suck it up.

    No wonder they are angry. Seems to be a lack of basic planning and common sense.


  • #263
    SterlingArcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    These small towns are basically being told with little or no advanced notice that the demographic of their town is going to be changed overnight - that it's a done deal and they just have to suck it up.

    No wonder they are angry. Seems to be a lack of basic planning and common sense.

    Pat Kenny and his neighbours can stop an apartment complex being built because it will cause traffic issues and be a nuisance.


  • #264
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    So it's OK to object to asylum centres being set up in your town, but if I think about buying the field across the road so I can stop houses being built in it then you're all shocked at my selfishness...

    I voted no because there is not the infrastructure here to support a significant increase in population. It's quite a small village - no hotel or anything like that.


  • #265
    Zorya
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭Zorya


    I'm going to put this here, as the other sort-of-about-refugees thread makes me nervous. I honestly don't know whether this is credible or not, but if so it provides further evidence for the idea of a brutal underworld supporting the migration of people, a migrant railroad as I said earlier, that needs to be stopped. This is reported almost nowhere, which is why I am doubtful. I am not going to link to the Gatestone Institute where it is published as I dislike that source, and do not trust it, but it is also reported in To Vima which is a well established, reputable Greek newspaper/ source -

    Nokis Kotzias, recently resigned Greek Minister of Defense - check him out here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikos_Kotzias - reports that he has sent at least 93 Greek diplomats forward for prosecution for improper visa issuing for unaccompanied minors trying to migrate, and Kotzias says
    (at)a news conference at the offices of the Union of Athens Dailies’ Journalists (ESIEA), Greece’s largest journalists’ union, (that), “Visas for unaccompanied minors points to organ trade, and hence I have no burden on my conscience, as I know that I contributed to saving a few souls. I do not agree that we did nothing. What about the 93 cases that I sent to the prosecutor regarding criminal code violations, and certain diplomats who went to jail because they were issuing visas to unaccompanied minors? Do you know what visas for unaccompanied children means? It spells organ trade. Just the fact that I saved a few souls will allow me to rest peacefully at the end of my life

    https://www.tovima.gr/2018/11/20/international/kotzias-says-network-of-diplomats-issued-visas-to-unaccompanied-minors/

    :confused: Crazy or true? I don't know.

    The Daily Sabah also has it. Pro-govt Turkish outlet.
    https://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2018/11/24/greek-diplomats-issued-visas-to-unaccompanied-children-for-organ-trafficking-former-fm-claims


  • #266
    jay0109
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Primetime just had a feature on asylum seekers coming to Wicklow town, Rooskey and Moville.

    After last night's love-in on traveller accomm, we had a 30 minute propaganda piece on asylum seekers moving to remote locations in Ireland and whether these locations are good enough for our new visitors. Loads of talk about war torn countries, fleeing persecution and rape etc.
    No talk about the fact that the majority of asylum seekers not being from war torn countries, that the current upsurge are those (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians) arriving here who have spent the last few years in the UK illegally.
    No mention of the extremely high rejection rates as most are found to be economic migrants.

    And to top it off, we had Aodhan O'Riordain on at the end gving a lecture about Direct Provision and how we need to put asylum seekers in regular houses.

    This country is a nut house.


  • #267
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    jay0109 wrote: »
    Primetime just had a feature on asylum seekers coming to Wicklow town, Rooskey and Moville.

    After last night's love-in on traveller accomm, we had a 30 minute propaganda piece on asylum seekers moving to remote locations in Ireland and whether these locations are good enough for our new visitors. Loads of talk about war torn countries, fleeing persecution and rape etc.
    No talk about the fact that the majority of asylum seekers not being from war torn countries, that the current upsurge are those (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians) arriving here who have spent the last few years in the UK illegally.
    No mention of the extremely high rejection rates as most are found to be economic migrants.

    And to top it off, we had Aodhan O'Riordain on at the end gving a lecture about Direct Provision and how we need to put asylum seekers in regular houses.

    This country is a nut house.

    Miriam and Jooooaw would take them in except that the Cash family got first dibs


  • #268
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    jay0109 wrote: »

    And to top it off, we had Aodhan O'Riordain on at the end gving a lecture about Direct Provision and how we need to put asylum seekers in regular houses.

    He'll be back next week to object to them getting built in his constituency. :pac::pac::pac::D

    "bad site, over development, poorly designed, big bad developers" etc etc etc


  • #269
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭UsBus


    More one sided rubbish from rte. All positive feedback from their pop up studio in moville. Who is going to go on camera stating they do not want that amount of immigrants in their town..??

    Same old story with Ireland. You raise concerns about it, you're racist...This country is going to end up like the UK, unrecognisable...


  • #270
    anotherfinemess
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭anotherfinemess


    jay0109 wrote: »
    Primetime just had a feature on asylum seekers coming to Wicklow town, Rooskey and Moville.

    After last night's love-in on traveller accomm, we had a 30 minute propaganda piece on asylum seekers moving to remote locations in Ireland and whether these locations are good enough for our new visitors. Loads of talk about war torn countries, fleeing persecution and rape etc.
    No talk about the fact that the majority of asylum seekers not being from war torn countries, that the current upsurge are those (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians) arriving here who have spent the last few years in the UK illegally.
    No mention of the extremely high rejection rates as most are found to be economic migrants.

    And to top it off, we had Aodhan O'Riordain on at the end gving a lecture about Direct Provision and how we need to put asylum seekers in regular houses.

    This country is a nut house.

    Yeah lets give all the A S a nice house to live in. Our own people will be fine sleeping out on the street, they've had plenty of practice so they're good at it


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  • #271
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    anotherfinemess wrote: »
    Yeah lets give all the A S a nice house to live in. Our own people will be fine sleeping out on the street, they've had plenty of practice so they're good at it
    No they wouldn't. The narrative on migration is dishonest but so is the one on homelessness. The number rough sleeping is a miniscule fraction of all those deemed homeless. Nobody wants them to be rough sleeping either - there's often more to it.


  • #272
    pablo39er
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 66 ✭✭pablo39er


    UsBus wrote: »
    More one sided rubbish from rte. All positive feedback from their pop up studio in moville. Who is going to go on camera stating they do not want that amount of immigrants in their town..??

    Same old story with Ireland. You raise concerns about it, you're racist...This country is going to end up like the UK, unrecognisable...

    It's the usual dirty politics game . . . dump asylum seekers as far away as possible from the nice civilised civil service departments and "respectable" homes and areas, and then call the locals redneck backward hick racist scum for daring to raise questions about where are any of the necessary facilities and employment for locals and asylum seekers alike ? They really do think people from regional Ireland are stupid enough to fall for this.

    I wonder how many asylum centres they are planning for Dublin 4 with all its facilities and employment etc. ?


  • #273
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mammajamma wrote: »
    Seeing as these communities are so small, how long would a door-to-door consensus take?

    1 day?

    Why haven't the government done that? If theres so much support, surely they would welcome such a solid consensus, no?

    **Evil Conspiracy**
    They know fully well that the vast majority of people don't want this in their community, and therefore are too clever to actually "ask". You know, that pesky democracy thing, tsk!

    no no no, if you just dump enough people in there and do a poll of the locals in a generation you`ll find lots of support for taking in more ;)


  • #274
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    jay0109 wrote: »
    Primetime just had a feature on asylum seekers coming to Wicklow town, Rooskey and Moville.

    After last night's love-in on traveller accomm, we had a 30 minute propaganda piece on asylum seekers moving to remote locations in Ireland and whether these locations are good enough for our new visitors. Loads of talk about war torn countries, fleeing persecution and rape etc.
    No talk about the fact that the majority of asylum seekers not being from war torn countries, that the current upsurge are those (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians) arriving here who have spent the last few years in the UK illegally.
    No mention of the extremely high rejection rates as most are found to be economic migrants.

    And to top it off, we had Aodhan O'Riordain on at the end gving a lecture about Direct Provision and how we need to put asylum seekers in regular houses.

    This country is a nut house.


    Not going to Rooskey after all. Hotel to remain as is according to Shannonside FM.


  • #275
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Update. Roosky hotel ablaze currently.


  • #276
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Link

    Fire breaks out at Rooskey hotel earmarked for asylum seekers
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/fire-breaks-out-at-rooskey-hotel-earmarked-for-asylum-seekers-1.3754155


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  • #277
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    It says a lot about how far down the sh*tter AH has gone that I would have been shocked if this thread did not have people claiming its all the asylum seekers fault for forcing the culprits to commit this crime.

    The only slightly surprising thing is they stopped ranting about black teens (but only black ones, no need to pay attention to our own... well maybe travelers every now and then) in order to do so.


  • #278
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Its a ridiculous idea sending refugees to places like this and the agency responsible do it because its a case of least resistance, well in their nice offices in Dublin they thought the locals would put up with it. They now know that foisting immigrants in rural backwaters won’t work and if that’s the best we can do then they need to jog on somewhere else.


  • #279
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Billy86 wrote: »
    It says a lot about how far down the sh*tter AH has gone that I would have been shocked if this thread did not have people claiming its all the asylum seekers fault for forcing the culprits to commit this crime
    On the previous fire:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108716221&postcount=13

    Surprising that severe destruction to a building in one's own town would be defined as patriotism.

    I hope nobody suffers smoke inhalation or that other buildings aren't damaged. If arson, really sound to waste fire brigade resources too. Hope no other incident occurs while this one is being put out. And there'll be a big clean-up operation required, and scorched ground.

    If arson too, why? Wasn't it decided that the hotel would not be used to house asylum seekers?


  • #280
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Billy86 wrote: »
    The only slightly surprising thing is they stopped ranting about black teens (but only black ones, no need to pay attention to our own... well maybe travelers every now and then) in order to do so.
    All teens who cause trouble here are criticised in fairness. I don't see an issue with mentioning that a lot of them in a particular area are the children of immigrants. That isn't automatically racism. Travellers every now and then? Travellers are constantly being criticised here, due to a lot of problems.


  • #281
    Graces7
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    This woman in Ballaghaderreen sums up my own views. However, dumping people into direct provision centres for lengthy periods of time doesn't seem very humane, especially in crap towns that lack the infrastructure for the populations they already have.

    coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?


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  • #282
    topper75
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?

    If they have 'lost everything' how do they manage to travel across the continent of Europe and onwards to us? Might there be something else going on? Are there disingenuous people out there promoting this?
    Coming to a country with a housing issue for 'a roof'? Traversing a rich continent of agriculture to get to 'food'?
    Yeup - definitely something else going on.


  • #283
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    How are Georgians coming from a warzone, Jesus, Grace would you ever inform yourself.

    The biggest rise in refugees in 2018 was from Georgia. These people are buying tickets to countries where they can get in without visas and then getting off the plane while en route and claiming asylum in Dublin. The plane should be held while it takes two minutes to say do you think the Irish are stupid thicks, then its back onto the plane with them with a no entry to Ireland ever stamped on their passport.


  • #284
    dav3
    Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Why would some people think it’s locals who carry out these attacks?
    Probably a gang, not even Irish, certainly anti-Irish, running amok. Either that or it’s one of the poor mentally ill lads they send around the country making youtube videos of how terrible and scary asylum centres, refugees and non-whites are.
    I’m sure if the Gardaí really wanted, they could arrest some people today, or at least bring them in for questioning.


  • #285
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Its probably locals who carry out these attacks, who the hell else cares. Most people dont want indirect provision housing unemployable idle men in their communities so they are delighted a decision has been taken to choose isolated unviable hotels to house these people.

    They are hardly going to travel to Donegal or Roscommon to torch a building when this means the likelihood of their neighbourhood being identified as an alternative could happen.

    I can understand why anger would boil over, these people read about attacks in other European countries on young women carried out by non nationals and fear drives them to desperate measures. No one has asked them for their views or their input and decisions that impact on them are being made by people who make sure their own areas dont have undesirables, this would rankle with most people.


  • #286
    Discodog
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    Graces7 wrote: »
    coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?

    Coming to a nice safe country where people burn down hotels....twice :rolleyes:


  • #287
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    tretorn wrote: »
    Its a ridiculous idea sending refugees to places like this and the agency responsible do it because its a case of least resistance, well in their nice offices in Dublin they thought the locals would put up with it. They now know that foisting immigrants in rural backwaters won’t work and if that’s the best we can do then they need to jog on somewhere else.

    Why is it ridiculous? Every time I hear people talking about rural Ireland, they come out with the same lines about rural Ireland dying and the need to draw people into these areas. Integrating these people into these communities is a great way to breathe new life into them.


  • #288
    Gravelly
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Why is it ridiculous? Every time I hear people talking about rural Ireland, they come out with the same lines about rural Ireland dying and the need to draw people into these areas. Integrating these people into these communities is a great way to breathe new life into them.

    Definitely. I mean, it worked so well everywhere else.


  • #289
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    These people do not want to live in Moville or any other town five hours from Dublin. They will have a better life wherever they have come from than they would have in these isolated areas, most are economic refugees drawn by the promise of good welfare payments, free housing and a chance to escape from their own country.


    They are coming to Europe thinking it is paved with Gold and thinking they will be housed in a city. Most want to get to the UK or Germany, the UK preferably because you dont need iD cards there, you do in France and you must carry them with you at all times so its difficult to disappear below the radar.

    Why dont you go to one of these towns yourself Berseker, I am sure they would benefit by you taking yourself there. If you last more than a month in January update us.


  • #290
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Definitely. I mean, it worked so well everywhere else.

    Well, Ireland is such a special place and the people are so wonderful, I sure the result will be different.


  • #291
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,515 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Berserker wrote: »
    Why is it ridiculous? Every time I hear people talking about rural Ireland, they come out with the same lines about rural Ireland dying and the need to draw people into these areas. Integrating these people into these communities is a great way to breathe new life into them.

    They want the 'right' kind of people, you know what I'm saying?
    The same religion and colour as the rest of them....


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  • #292
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Berserker wrote: »
    Well, Ireland is such a special place and the people are so wonderful, I sure the result will be different.

    Of course. We will only get the good immigrants, shure they'll all be playing hurling, sinking pints, and quoting Joyce after a week here. What could possibly go wrong?


  • #293
    Berserker
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    tretorn wrote: »
    They are coming to Europe thinking it is paved with Gold and thinking they will be housed in a city. Most want to get to the UK or Germany, the UK preferably because you dont need iD cards there, you do in France and you must carry them with you at all times so its difficult to disappear below the radar.

    Ireland is paved with gold by world standards. Never knew they were expecting to be housed in a city. Any proof of this?


  • #294
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Discodog wrote: »
    Coming to a nice safe country where people burn down hotels....twice :rolleyes:
    Where people burn down hotels plural? Didn't hear that.

    Two hotels were burned down in the north west of Ireland. It's scummy behaviour but it's not all of Ireland - and Ireland is still obviously a safe haven overall.


  • #295
    MarkHenderson
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    These people are not wanted here by the majority of ordinary decent Irish people. Unfortunately this is what happens when the political elite just take orders from Europe and don't listen to local concerns. Iv'e no problem with high skilled workers setting up shop here but do we really want to become what parts of the UK, Germany etc... have bringing in societies worst.


  • #296
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Total ignorant scumbags.


  • #297
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Graces7 wrote: »
    coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?

    Many bogus AS are Asian men who illegally immigrate here from the UK.

    They are not fleeing persecution.

    They are illegal economic migrants.

    They have entered hundreds of sham marriages.

    This is all well known, and reported in the media and by the ESRI.

    Bogus, illegal AS are not welcome in Ireland.


  • #298
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    Gravelly wrote: »
    Definitely. I mean, it worked so well everywhere else.

    Done well, a policy of dispersing refugees in small groups in rural towns with sufficient supports, community consultation and employment opportunities may be an excellent idea.

    Instead what the state seems to be doing is dumping groups into depressed towns with inadequate infrastructure and employment while putting in zero resourcing and community consultation. In fact it usually seems that well connected people whose hotel has hit the skids get a dig out from their buddies in government by filling it with refugees at taxpayers expense.

    With the best will in the world from both the local community and the refugees such a policy is likely to result in future racial divisions and strife in many of these towns.


  • #299
    MarkHenderson
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    pablo39er wrote: »
    It's the usual dirty politics game . . . dump asylum seekers as far away as possible from the nice civilised civil service departments and "respectable" homes and areas, and then call the locals redneck backward hick racist scum for daring to raise questions about where are any of the necessary facilities and employment for locals and asylum seekers alike ? They really do think people from regional Ireland are stupid enough to fall for this.

    I wonder how many asylum centres they are planning for Dublin 4 with all its facilities and employment etc. ?

    They won't be popping up in Mount Merrion and Foxrock that's for sure. Surely these areas deserve the wonderful cultural enrichment these peace loving law abiding folk bring?


  • #300
    Gravelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    Total ignorant scumbags.

    That's a bit harsh, they're just trying to game the system by pretending to be fleeing a war zone, shure you can't blame them for trying it on.


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  • #301
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    tretorn wrote: »
    These people do not want to live in Moville or any other town five hours from Dublin. They will have a better life wherever they have come from than they would have in these isolated areas, most are economic refugees drawn by the promise of good welfare payments, free housing and a chance to escape from their own country.


    They are coming to Europe thinking it is paved with Gold and thinking they will be housed in a city. Most want to get to the UK or Germany, the UK preferably because you dont need iD cards there, you do in France and you must carry them with you at all times so its difficult to disappear below the radar.

    Half of them have come from the UK.

    Reading this ESRI report on AS, it seems that 50% of AS during 2015 were Indian and Pakistani men who arrived from the UK.

    They were living in the UK, and went to Ireland to claim asylum.

    Are these men fleeing persecution?

    See section 3.4:

    http://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf


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