Donegal Asylum Centre Torched

pablo39er

UsBus wrote: »

More one sided rubbish from rte. All positive feedback from their pop up studio in moville. Who is going to go on camera stating they do not want that amount of immigrants in their town..??

Same old story with Ireland. You raise concerns about it, you're racist...This country is going to end up like the UK, unrecognisable...

It's the usual dirty politics game . . . dump asylum seekers as far away as possible from the nice civilised civil service departments and "respectable" homes and areas, and then call the locals redneck backward hick racist scum for daring to raise questions about where are any of the necessary facilities and employment for locals and asylum seekers alike ? They really do think people from regional Ireland are stupid enough to fall for this.

I wonder how many asylum centres they are planning for Dublin 4 with all its facilities and employment etc. ?

mammajamma

mammajamma wrote: »

Seeing as these communities are so small, how long would a door-to-door consensus take?

1 day?

Why haven't the government done that? If theres so much support, surely they would welcome such a solid consensus, no?

**Evil Conspiracy**
They know fully well that the vast majority of people don't want this in their community, and therefore are too clever to actually "ask". You know, that pesky democracy thing, tsk!

no no no, if you just dump enough people in there and do a poll of the locals in a generation you`ll find lots of support for taking in more

Fann Linn

jay0109 wrote: »

Primetime just had a feature on asylum seekers coming to Wicklow town, Rooskey and Moville.

After last night's love-in on traveller accomm, we had a 30 minute propaganda piece on asylum seekers moving to remote locations in Ireland and whether these locations are good enough for our new visitors. Loads of talk about war torn countries, fleeing persecution and rape etc.
No talk about the fact that the majority of asylum seekers not being from war torn countries, that the current upsurge are those (Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians) arriving here who have spent the last few years in the UK illegally.
No mention of the extremely high rejection rates as most are found to be economic migrants.

And to top it off, we had Aodhan O'Riordain on at the end gving a lecture about Direct Provision and how we need to put asylum seekers in regular houses.

This country is a nut house.

Not going to Rooskey after all. Hotel to remain as is according to Shannonside FM.

Fann Linn

Update. Roosky hotel ablaze currently.

biko

Link

Fire breaks out at Rooskey hotel earmarked for asylum seekers
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/fire-breaks-out-at-rooskey-hotel-earmarked-for-asylum-seekers-1.3754155

Billy86

It says a lot about how far down the sh*tter AH has gone that I would have been shocked if this thread did not have people claiming its all the asylum seekers fault for forcing the culprits to commit this crime.

The only slightly surprising thing is they stopped ranting about black teens (but only black ones, no need to pay attention to our own... well maybe travelers every now and then) in order to do so.

tretorn

Its a ridiculous idea sending refugees to places like this and the agency responsible do it because its a case of least resistance, well in their nice offices in Dublin they thought the locals would put up with it. They now know that foisting immigrants in rural backwaters won’t work and if that’s the best we can do then they need to jog on somewhere else.

Gimme A Pound

Billy86 wrote: »

It says a lot about how far down the sh*tter AH has gone that I would have been shocked if this thread did not have people claiming its all the asylum seekers fault for forcing the culprits to commit this crime

On the previous fire:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108716221&postcount=13

Surprising that severe destruction to a building in one's own town would be defined as patriotism.

I hope nobody suffers smoke inhalation or that other buildings aren't damaged. If arson, really sound to waste fire brigade resources too. Hope no other incident occurs while this one is being put out. And there'll be a big clean-up operation required, and scorched ground.

If arson too, why? Wasn't it decided that the hotel would not be used to house asylum seekers?

Gimme A Pound

Billy86 wrote: »

The only slightly surprising thing is they stopped ranting about black teens (but only black ones, no need to pay attention to our own... well maybe travelers every now and then) in order to do so.

All teens who cause trouble here are criticised in fairness. I don't see an issue with mentioning that a lot of them in a particular area are the children of immigrants. That isn't automatically racism. Travellers every now and then? Travellers are constantly being criticised here, due to a lot of problems.

Graces7

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

This woman in Ballaghaderreen sums up my own views. However, dumping people into direct provision centres for lengthy periods of time doesn't seem very humane, especially in crap towns that lack the infrastructure for the populations they already have.

coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?

topper75

Graces7 wrote: »

coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?

If they have 'lost everything' how do they manage to travel across the continent of Europe and onwards to us? Might there be something else going on? Are there disingenuous people out there promoting this?
Coming to a country with a housing issue for 'a roof'? Traversing a rich continent of agriculture to get to 'food'?
Yeup - definitely something else going on.

tretorn

How are Georgians coming from a warzone, Jesus, Grace would you ever inform yourself.

The biggest rise in refugees in 2018 was from Georgia. These people are buying tickets to countries where they can get in without visas and then getting off the plane while en route and claiming asylum in Dublin. The plane should be held while it takes two minutes to say do you think the Irish are stupid thicks, then its back onto the plane with them with a no entry to Ireland ever stamped on their passport.

dav3

Why would some people think it’s locals who carry out these attacks?
Probably a gang, not even Irish, certainly anti-Irish, running amok. Either that or it’s one of the poor mentally ill lads they send around the country making youtube videos of how terrible and scary asylum centres, refugees and non-whites are.
I’m sure if the Gardaí really wanted, they could arrest some people today, or at least bring them in for questioning.

tretorn

Its probably locals who carry out these attacks, who the hell else cares. Most people dont want indirect provision housing unemployable idle men in their communities so they are delighted a decision has been taken to choose isolated unviable hotels to house these people.

They are hardly going to travel to Donegal or Roscommon to torch a building when this means the likelihood of their neighbourhood being identified as an alternative could happen.

I can understand why anger would boil over, these people read about attacks in other European countries on young women carried out by non nationals and fear drives them to desperate measures. No one has asked them for their views or their input and decisions that impact on them are being made by people who make sure their own areas dont have undesirables, this would rankle with most people.

Discodog

Graces7 wrote: »

coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?

Coming to a nice safe country where people burn down hotels....twice :rolleyes:

Berserker

tretorn wrote: »

Its a ridiculous idea sending refugees to places like this and the agency responsible do it because its a case of least resistance, well in their nice offices in Dublin they thought the locals would put up with it. They now know that foisting immigrants in rural backwaters won’t work and if that’s the best we can do then they need to jog on somewhere else.

Why is it ridiculous? Every time I hear people talking about rural Ireland, they come out with the same lines about rural Ireland dying and the need to draw people into these areas. Integrating these people into these communities is a great way to breathe new life into them.

Gravelly

Berserker wrote: »

Why is it ridiculous? Every time I hear people talking about rural Ireland, they come out with the same lines about rural Ireland dying and the need to draw people into these areas. Integrating these people into these communities is a great way to breathe new life into them.

Definitely. I mean, it worked so well everywhere else.

tretorn

These people do not want to live in Moville or any other town five hours from Dublin. They will have a better life wherever they have come from than they would have in these isolated areas, most are economic refugees drawn by the promise of good welfare payments, free housing and a chance to escape from their own country.


They are coming to Europe thinking it is paved with Gold and thinking they will be housed in a city. Most want to get to the UK or Germany, the UK preferably because you dont need iD cards there, you do in France and you must carry them with you at all times so its difficult to disappear below the radar.

Why dont you go to one of these towns yourself Berseker, I am sure they would benefit by you taking yourself there. If you last more than a month in January update us.

Berserker

Gravelly wrote: »

Definitely. I mean, it worked so well everywhere else.

Well, Ireland is such a special place and the people are so wonderful, I sure the result will be different.

whisky_galore

Berserker wrote: »

Why is it ridiculous? Every time I hear people talking about rural Ireland, they come out with the same lines about rural Ireland dying and the need to draw people into these areas. Integrating these people into these communities is a great way to breathe new life into them.

They want the 'right' kind of people, you know what I'm saying?
The same religion and colour as the rest of them....

Gravelly

Berserker wrote: »

Well, Ireland is such a special place and the people are so wonderful, I sure the result will be different.

Of course. We will only get the good immigrants, shure they'll all be playing hurling, sinking pints, and quoting Joyce after a week here. What could possibly go wrong?

Berserker

tretorn wrote: »

They are coming to Europe thinking it is paved with Gold and thinking they will be housed in a city. Most want to get to the UK or Germany, the UK preferably because you dont need iD cards there, you do in France and you must carry them with you at all times so its difficult to disappear below the radar.

Ireland is paved with gold by world standards. Never knew they were expecting to be housed in a city. Any proof of this?

Gimme A Pound

Discodog wrote: »

Coming to a nice safe country where people burn down hotels....twice :rolleyes:

Where people burn down hotels plural? Didn't hear that.

Two hotels were burned down in the north west of Ireland. It's scummy behaviour but it's not all of Ireland - and Ireland is still obviously a safe haven overall.

MarkHenderson

These people are not wanted here by the majority of ordinary decent Irish people. Unfortunately this is what happens when the political elite just take orders from Europe and don't listen to local concerns. Iv'e no problem with high skilled workers setting up shop here but do we really want to become what parts of the UK, Germany etc... have bringing in societies worst.

Sir Oxman

Total ignorant scumbags.

Geuze

Graces7 wrote: »

coming from a war zone? Having lost everything? A roof, food, peace.. and what is it with calling towns "crap"?

Many bogus AS are Asian men who illegally immigrate here from the UK.

They are not fleeing persecution.

They are illegal economic migrants.

They have entered hundreds of sham marriages.

This is all well known, and reported in the media and by the ESRI.

Bogus, illegal AS are not welcome in Ireland.

CrankyHaus

Gravelly wrote: »

Definitely. I mean, it worked so well everywhere else.

Done well, a policy of dispersing refugees in small groups in rural towns with sufficient supports, community consultation and employment opportunities may be an excellent idea.

Instead what the state seems to be doing is dumping groups into depressed towns with inadequate infrastructure and employment while putting in zero resourcing and community consultation. In fact it usually seems that well connected people whose hotel has hit the skids get a dig out from their buddies in government by filling it with refugees at taxpayers expense.

With the best will in the world from both the local community and the refugees such a policy is likely to result in future racial divisions and strife in many of these towns.

MarkHenderson

pablo39er wrote: »

It's the usual dirty politics game . . . dump asylum seekers as far away as possible from the nice civilised civil service departments and "respectable" homes and areas, and then call the locals redneck backward hick racist scum for daring to raise questions about where are any of the necessary facilities and employment for locals and asylum seekers alike ? They really do think people from regional Ireland are stupid enough to fall for this.

I wonder how many asylum centres they are planning for Dublin 4 with all its facilities and employment etc. ?

They won't be popping up in Mount Merrion and Foxrock that's for sure. Surely these areas deserve the wonderful cultural enrichment these peace loving law abiding folk bring?

Gravelly

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Total ignorant scumbags.

That's a bit harsh, they're just trying to game the system by pretending to be fleeing a war zone, shure you can't blame them for trying it on.

Geuze

tretorn wrote: »

These people do not want to live in Moville or any other town five hours from Dublin. They will have a better life wherever they have come from than they would have in these isolated areas, most are economic refugees drawn by the promise of good welfare payments, free housing and a chance to escape from their own country.


They are coming to Europe thinking it is paved with Gold and thinking they will be housed in a city. Most want to get to the UK or Germany, the UK preferably because you dont need iD cards there, you do in France and you must carry them with you at all times so its difficult to disappear below the radar.

Half of them have come from the UK.

Reading this ESRI report on AS, it seems that 50% of AS during 2015 were Indian and Pakistani men who arrived from the UK.

They were living in the UK, and went to Ireland to claim asylum.

Are these men fleeing persecution?

See section 3.4:

http://www.esri.ie/pubs/RS72.pdf