General secretary of the IFA on a possible €400,000 salary-Read mod note in post 2734

whelan2 · 19-11-2015 8:07pm

rangler1 wrote: »

What'll they have to offer to get anyone now,

He probably resigned for the same reason as I did :rolleyes:

wonder how it went, if he was offered 100k less than what he was on would he have stayed or did he have to go?

Bullocks · 19-11-2015 8:14pm

rangler1 wrote: »

What'll they have to offer to get anyone now,

He probably resigned for the same reason as I did :rolleyes:

They'll get me for a bit less , I won't see them stuck for someone. For 300k I could bring my labourer aswell .

rangler1 · 19-11-2015 8:15pm

whelan2 wrote: »

wonder how it went, if he was offered 100k less than what he was on would he have stayed or did he have to go?

He'd be a fool if he did,
I always thought he was a good tactician....I can't believe he went so simple.
I'm sure it'll all come out in the next few weeks now

orm0nd · 19-11-2015 8:37pm

Meeting tomorrow. me thinks a more sh1t could hit the fan people are getting tired of being fobbed off by Downey and his sidekicks

limo_100 · 19-11-2015 8:57pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The IFA were always against the publication of farm payments.

A simple Google search should show that.

Thats because the big men didn't want there payments made knowledge and the IFA (Irish F*ckers Asscioation) only serve the big men there a shower of scumbags and they serve no purpose to 95% of the farming population.

Last year they were out protesting about the €350 price difference with the UK and at the minute the price difference is €340 wheres the protests this year? The IFA and the p*icks that run it are in goodmans pocket

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/e340-difference-between-british-and-irish-factory-steers-lmc/

mf240 · 19-11-2015 9:18pm

Must of been even more than was reported. If it was less then they would of said.

A lot of money going in from levys and membership but not much willingness to show where its going.

there must be more than him getting big money.

Id say the pr team are working on a spin as we speak.

patsy_mccabe · 19-11-2015 9:27pm

Any mention in this weeks journal? I didn't get it yet.

rangler1 · 19-11-2015 9:38pm

limo_100 wrote: »

Thats because the big men didn't want there payments made knowledge and the IFA (Irish F*ckers Asscioation) only serve the big men there a shower of scumbags and they serve no purpose to 95% of the farming population.

Last year they were out protesting about the €350 price difference with the UK and at the minute the price difference is €340 wheres the protests this year? The IFA and the p*icks that run it are in goodmans pocket

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/e340-difference-between-british-and-irish-factory-steers-lmc/

I like your name for farmers
Why would England pay more for imported beef when they can buy it cheaper anywhere else, you must be starting to believe the irish spoof about irish being better quality.
Lamb price here is usually at least €1/kg cheaper than the French price, yet we know that if we don't supply france at the lower price, some other country will....you don't see sheep farmers looking to block factories or like in your case looking for someone to blame........ where anyone thought that blocking factories in a glut would help is beyond me.
Famers not supplying what the market wants is going to hang them.
Plenty of places now for supermarkets to buy inspec beef

pedigree 6 · 19-11-2015 9:39pm

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A20882438%3A83%3A18%2D11%2D2015%3A

Derek deane was on drivetime programme on radio 1 yesterday.
I think the situation kicked off from there. Anyway interview is above.

rangler1 · 19-11-2015 9:42pm

mf240 wrote: »

Must of been even more than was reported. If it was less then they would of said.

A lot of money going in from levys and membership but not much willingness to show where its going.

there must be more than him getting big money.

Id say the pr team are working on a spin as we speak.

They're good at spin, they've nearly convinced the government that the country be broke only for agriculture....pfft

RobertKK · 19-11-2015 9:56pm

The latest figure that came out/speculated for what the general secretary of the IFA received is in excess of €450,000 a year.

I think the resignation is part of everyone involved in trying to hide what he received.

limo_100 · 19-11-2015 9:59pm

rangler1 wrote: »

I like your name for farmers
Why would England pay more for imported beef when they can buy it cheaper anywhere else, you must be starting to believe the irish spoof about irish being better quality.
Lamb price here is usually at least €1/kg cheaper than the French price, yet we know that if we don't supply france at the lower price, some other country will....you don't see sheep farmers looking to block factories or like in your case looking for someone to blame........ where anyone thought that blocking factories in a glut would help is beyond me.
Famers not supplying what the market wants is going to hang them.
Plenty of places now for supermarkets to buy inspec beef

I dont no any farmer on 400000 salary do you?? A 50000 salary is enough for anyone especially as they do noting. I agree last years protest was a waste of time as the prices always rise at that time of year they gained noting only pr,for them selves, dowey has to go I can see the IFA being disbanded after this (or maybe i'm only hopefully wishing).

The name of IFA does not and has no intention of helping the average farmer that its only for the biggest farmers end off, there not doing an awful lot for the hill farmers bar an odd statement are they not farmers too???

England are probably right not to pay more for it but it doesn't mean the IFA cant try and do something about but they couldn't upset there biggest contributor the factorys

RobertKK · 19-11-2015 10:01pm

rangler1 wrote: »

They're good at spin, they've nearly convinced the government that the country be broke only for agriculture....pfft

Yes, like with the CAP, those on the highest payments needed their higher payments, which was based on past history, feck the younger farmers, many whom didn't qualify for the younger farmer top up.

They claimed those on bigger payments were more efficient, and the poor mouth was out, they couldn't cope if they had to farm on lesser payments like of other farmers have to do.
Which would make one question how efficient they actually were, more likely they were very efficient at farming subsidies when it was on certain animals.

limo_100 · 19-11-2015 10:06pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes, like with the CAP, those on the highest payments needed their higher payments, which was based on past history, feck the younger farmers, many whom didn't qualify for the younger farmer top up.

They claimed those on bigger payments were more efficient, and the poor mouth was out, they couldn't cope if they had to farm on lesser payments like of other farmers have to do.
Which would make one question how efficient they actually were, more likely they were very efficient at farming subsidies when it was on certain animals.

There only aim is for the big farmer simple as that, Alot of the big farmers around our area would have cut back the productivity since they started getting there big farm payments

mf240 · 19-11-2015 10:27pm

rangler1 wrote: »

They're good at spin, they've nearly convinced the government that the country be broke only for agriculture....pfft

Theyll has ye pestered for a bailout now:D

rangler1 · 19-11-2015 10:29pm

limo_100 wrote: »

I dont no any farmer on 400000 salary do you?? A 50000 salary is enough for anyone especially as they do noting. I agree last years protest was a waste of time as the prices always rise at that time of year they gained noting only pr,for them selves, dowey has to go I can see the IFA being disbanded after this (or maybe i'm only hopefully wishing).

The name of IFA does not and has no intention of helping the average farmer that its only for the biggest farmers end off, there not doing an awful lot for the hill farmers bar an odd statement are they not farmers too???

England are probably right not to pay more for it but it doesn't mean the IFA cant try and do something about but they couldn't upset there biggest contributor the factorys

Hill farmers have a committee the same as any other commodity with the same support, if the farmers on that committee aren't bothered, you needn't expect lowland farmers to bother,
There's no point thinking that talking to factories is going to put up the price. forum was set up to do that....it's not working is it.
Factories will keep doing what they have to, to maintain supply and sell beef. if they don't have to rise price to do this they won't.... anything else is only dreamland.
I still say that I maximised my sfp on my farm (not a big farm) and it's damn bad form that I now take cut in income because some didn't bother at the time.
On the young farmers rubbish, 90% of young farmers are stepping into their fathers entitlements and some getting a top up as well at my expense so the begrudgers needn't be getting the violins out for f....ing young farmers either

limo_100 · 19-11-2015 11:41pm

rangler1 wrote: »

Hill farmers have a committee the same as any other commodity with the same support, if the farmers on that committee aren't bothered, you needn't expect lowland farmers to bother,
There's no point thinking that talking to factories is going to put up the price. forum was set up to do that....it's not working is it.
Factories will keep doing what they have to, to maintain supply and sell beef. if they don't have to rise price to do this they won't.... anything else is only dreamland.
I still say that I maximised my sfp on my farm (not a big farm) and it's damn bad form that I now take cut in income because some didn't bother at the time.
On the young farmers rubbish, 90% of young farmers are stepping into their fathers entitlements and some getting a top up as well at my expense so the begrudgers needn't be getting the violins out for f....ing young farmers either

well you'll be glad to know i'm one of them young farmers I got money for entitlements of two new farms which had no entitlements and hopefully I will be getting some top-up on the rest of the entitlements I'll let you know in December how much money I was able to get out of the IFA supporters pockets

navigator 101 · 19-11-2015 11:48pm

rangler1 wrote: »

Hill farmers have a committee the same as any other commodity with the same support, if the farmers on that committee aren't bothered, you needn't expect lowland farmers to bother,
There's no point thinking that talking to factories is going to put up the price. forum was set up to do that....it's not working is it.
Factories will keep doing what they have to, to maintain supply and sell beef. if they don't have to rise price to do this they won't.... anything else is only dreamland.
I still say that I maximised my sfp on my farm (not a big farm) and it's damn bad form that I now take cut in income because some didn't bother at the time.
On the young farmers rubbish, 90% of young farmers are stepping into their fathers entitlements and some getting a top up as well at my expense so the begrudgers needn't be getting the violins out for f....ing young farmers either

Glad to hear the good news and hope Downey goes as well. I am not a begrudger nor have I the violin out but I wonder if you have as you described them, f....ink young farmers to take over

rangler1 · 19-11-2015 11:51pm

limo_100 wrote: »

well you'll be glad to know i'm one of them young farmers I got money for entitlements of two new farms which had no entitlements and hopefully I will be getting some top-up on the rest of the entitlements I'll let you know in December how much money I was able to get out of the IFA supporters pockets

I'll struggle on with my €600/ha so, at least I can always say that I tried my best to be treated fair...
In negotiations you have to keep opposing, once you agree, you're ****ed,

limo_100 · 19-11-2015 11:59pm

rangler1 wrote: »

I'll struggle on with my €600/ha so, at least I can always say that I tried my best to be treated fair...
In negotiations you have to keep opposing, once you agree, you're ****ed,

lucky for me I made a few smart moves with my cash and I will be able to pursue high valued entitlements next year to bring all all of my 60ha up to the maximum of 750, maybe Pat Smith might be selling some of his now that he out of a new he might be cash strapped??

adam14 · 20-11-2015 12:00am

Derek Deane is some man. It takes guts to do what he did. Downey has to go too.

rangler1 · 20-11-2015 12:01am

navigator 101 wrote: »

Glad to hear the good news and hope Downey goes as well. I am not a begrudger nor have I the violin out but I wonder if you have as you described them, f....ink young farmers to take over

Only one way farm incomes are going now.
Most young people will get a better kick out of inheriting the value (even with the extra tax) than the land.......look what a €750000 would do for three young couples rather than one person getting a farm worth a million.

Did you not know that giving a child a farm is a form of child abuse

rangler1 · 20-11-2015 12:03am

limo_100 wrote: »

lucky for me I made a few smart moves with my cash and I will be able to pursue high valued entitlements next year to bring all all of my 60ha up to the maximum of 750, maybe Pat Smith might be selling some of his now that he out of a new he might be cash strapped??

Why would people sell entitlements

limo_100 · 20-11-2015 12:09am

rangler1 wrote: »

Why would people sell entitlements

theres always entitlements for sale except this as the market was closed while they were rolling out the new payments, look in to it you could bring yours back up again

MF290 · 20-11-2015 12:13am

Don't see why people think Downey should be leaving, seems to be doing a good job. These matters should really have been dealt with in house rather than publishing in the media, dragging the organization through the dirt really doesn't benefit anyone. As for salary, it should be in line with other leaders in the industry. It is by no means a simple job and while the rumored figure seems excessive I can't imagine a fair salary being more than 100000 less than that if you were to include pension, bonuses, expenses and a car.

rangler1 · 20-11-2015 12:14am

limo_100 wrote: »

theres always entitlements for sale except this as the market was closed while they were rolling out the new payments, look in to it you could bring yours back up again

There won't be as many trading as before, most people will get them for nothing, can't see why they'd be sold unless off land for developement

rangler1 · 20-11-2015 12:20am

MF290 wrote: »

Don't see why people think Downey should be leaving, seems to be doing a good job. These matters should really have been dealt with in house rather than publishing in the media, dragging the organization through the dirt really doesn't benefit anyone. As for salary, it should be in line with other leaders in the industry. It is by no means a simple job and while the rumored figure seems excessive I can't imagine a fair salary being more than 100000 less than that if you were to include pension, bonuses, expenses and a car.

If this disaster is down to 100000 (or if you like approx. €1 per member)
Resignation of Pat Smith will solve nothing apart from the personality clash with a failed presidential candidate, he took the package he was offered, end of
National Treasurer should be considering his position now

Panch18 · 20-11-2015 12:24am

limo_100 wrote: »

well you'll be glad to know i'm one of them young farmers I got money for entitlements of two new farms which had no entitlements and hopefully I will be getting some top-up on the rest of the entitlements I'll let you know in December how much money I was able to get out of the IFA supporters pockets

So what exactly are you complaining for then??

alps · 20-11-2015 12:32am

MF290 wrote: »

I can't imagine a fair salary being more than 100000 less than that if you were to include pension, bonuses, expenses and a car.

I just get upset when I see the word bonus...

Does this "bonus" form the make up of most employees nowadays, or just the CS, management, financial services type jobs....?

I just can't make out if I hire a guy to milk the cows....he gets €50 for the milking plus another €20 if he actually finishes the milking.....

Ffs....if you get paid to do a job..do it

If you're on a salary off 200k to run an organisation. ..run it...
If it takes 40hrs or 80hrs or 120 hrs per week to do...that's your baby...do it.....

Just a bonus rant..forgive me

limo_100 · 20-11-2015 12:42am

Panch18 wrote: »

So what exactly are you complaining for then??

Thats noting to do with the IFA they didn't want us young farmers to gain. Just because I happened to fall into the right age bracket this doesn't mean I cant have an opinion?? I want them go do something instead of a hole lot of noting picking up salaries

keep going · 20-11-2015 12:50am

alps wrote: »

I just get upset when I see the word bonus...

Does this "bonus" form the make up of most employees nowadays, or just the CS, management, financial services type jobs....?

I just can't make out if I hire a guy to milk the cows....he gets €50 for the milking plus another €20 if he actually finishes the milking.....

Ffs....if you get paid to do a job..do it

If you're on a salary off 200k to run an organisation. ..run it...
If it takes 40hrs or 80hrs or 120 hrs per week to do...that's your baby...do it.....

Just a bonus rant..forgive me

its funny but im a huge fan of bonuses but the issue is setting the right criteria and mechanism for acheiving the bonus. people have to have an aim and something to drive to.

limo_100 · 20-11-2015 12:59am

keep going wrote: »

its funny but im a huge fan of bonuses but the issue is setting the right criteria and mechanism for acheiving the bonus. people have to have an aim and something to drive to.

I would assume that the the IFA never paid out any bonuses in fairness as they never achieved anything

Panch18 · 20-11-2015 1:14am

limo_100 wrote: »

Thats noting to do with the IFA they didn't want us young farmers to gain. Just because I happened to fall into the right age bracket this doesn't mean I cant have an opinion?? I want them go do something instead of a hole lot of noting picking up salaries

Ah here, have a word with yourself

You were eligible for entitlements, you got entitlements, what exactly is your problem

This **** about big farmer talk is only **** talk, and you getting entitlements on 150 acres. You do know that falls into the big farmer category don't you

red bull · 20-11-2015 1:14am

Never a fan of Pat Smyth. As director of organisation he was a money grabber for the association with increased levies and membership fees. Unfortunately delivery of services to farmers did not coincide. Michael Berkery had the well being of farmers at heart, something Pat Smyth did not understand it was allways association funds

limo_100 · 20-11-2015 1:27am

Panch18 wrote: »

Ah here, have a word with yourself

You were eligible for entitlements, you got entitlements, what exactly is your problem

This **** about big farmer talk is only **** talk, and you getting entitlements on 150 acres. You do know that falls into the big farmer category don't you

I worked hard to get it to were it is we started out wit 0acres in 1990 little by little with hard graft and time and off farm enterprises yes we have a fairly big place now, Yes I got entitlements but no thanks to the IFA they lobbied for the big man to keep his entitlements as he was the best and more efficient farmer they didn't care about me or any of the young farmers, I also depend on beef as a beef farmer do you no that?? last year the €350 price gap with the UK has scandalous they were gona do this and do that and the gap would never happen again and low and behold its at €340 now but I dont here them saying to much about that now there too busy trying to safe there own jobs,

whelan2 · 20-11-2015 6:59am

adam14 wrote: »

Derek Deane is some man. It takes guts to do what he did. Downey has to go too.

Was it not con lucey who mentioned this on his retirement and derek Deane was just following through?

whelan2 · 20-11-2015 7:01am

red bull wrote: »

Never a fan of Pat Smyth. As director of organisation he was a money grabber for the association with increased levies and membership fees. Unfortunately delivery of services to farmers did not coincide. Michael Berkery had the well being of farmers at heart, something Pat Smyth did not understand it was allways association funds

I asked this before was pat Smyth put straight in on the same salary as Berkery was on?

EarlyHead · 20-11-2015 7:32am

I've had meetings and run ins with both Berkery and Smith over the last 20 years and from my experience the one thing about Smith is that he would at least be blatant and forthright in a meeting or discussion, to the point of confrontation. I always felt Berkery would be smiling at you while stabbing you in the back. I don't know if it's a factor but is Smith also the Chief Exec of the telcom company they have? Should be an interesting couple of days and I still don't understand why he resigned without confirmation or denial of the salary. Whoever is advising them on PR and media might need to look at their renumeration to.

kowtow · 20-11-2015 9:21am

A salary of 450k is appropriate for a risk position, with a body of shareholders ready to fire a failed incumbent at a moments notice.

It is not justified for a quango funded by levy whose executives think chewing cocktail sausages in Brussels and keeping in with 'the politicians' qualifies as actual work. It doesn't.

If the rest of the board shares that culture they should resign immediately.

rangler1 · 20-11-2015 9:38am

EarlyHead wrote: »

I've had meetings and run ins with both Berkery and Smith over the last 20 years and from my experience the one thing about Smith is that he would at least be blatant and forthright in a meeting or discussion, to the point of confrontation. I always felt Berkery would be smiling at you while stabbing you in the back. I don't know if it's a factor but is Smith also the Chief Exec of the telcom company they have? Should be an interesting couple of days and I still don't understand why he resigned without confirmation or denial of the salary. Whoever is advising them on PR and media might need to look at their renumeration to.

I told Pat one day he was more like Micheal o Leary than Micheal Berkery, he was always business minded and would drive on regardless as Director of Organisation, the electricity and phone deals were his idea and bring in a lot of money to the association.

frazzledhome · 20-11-2015 9:41am

kowtow wrote: »

A salary of 450k is appropriate for a risk position, with a body of shareholders ready to fire a failed incumbent at a moments notice.

It is not justified for a quango funded by levy whose executives think chewing cocktail sausages in Brussels and keeping in with 'the politicians' qualifies as actual work. It doesn't.

If the rest of the board shares that culture they should resign immediately.

Nailed it

frazzledhome · 20-11-2015 9:41am

kowtow wrote: »

A salary of 450k is appropriate for a risk position, with a body of shareholders ready to fire a failed incumbent at a moments notice.

It is not justified for a quango funded by levy whose executives think chewing cocktail sausages in Brussels and keeping in with 'the politicians' qualifies as actual work. It doesn't.

If the rest of the board shares that culture they should resign immediately.

Nailed it

rangler1 · 20-11-2015 9:44am

kowtow wrote: »

A salary of 450k is appropriate for a risk position, with a body of shareholders ready to fire a failed incumbent at a moments notice.

It is not justified for a quango funded by levy whose executives think chewing cocktail sausages in Brussels and keeping in with 'the politicians' qualifies as actual work. It doesn't.

If the rest of the board shares that culture they should resign immediately.

What else does a lobby organisation do, it was the tactic of teaming up with other politicians/organisations in Brussels that got Ciolos idea of the new CAP thrown out. IFA was a lone voice at that but bit by bit they got others on board and then had to get coveney on side as well.
It's alright heckling from the side but calling for resignations when you're prepared to do feck all yourself is a bit of a joke

Sam Kade · 20-11-2015 9:48am

I was just thinking of this man as I read my milk statement and saw where ifa took a slice of my payment, I must put a stop to that. The icmsa also took a piece of the action even though I haven't heard from them in years :mad:

whelan2 · 20-11-2015 10:00am

rangler1 wrote: »

I told Pat one day he was more like Micheal o Leary than Micheal Berkery, he was always business minded and would drive on regardless as Director of Organisation, the electricity and phone deals were his idea and bring in a lot of money to the association.

Pat smyth was a great man , not worth a salary twicwe that of the taoiseach though. On the ifa deals , Billy up the road can go to bord gais and get 10% off their electricity. So no real saving there-airtricity are giving a 20% discount which is much better. With the buying power ifa members would have a better deal could be gotten elsewhere. On vodafone , half the country cant get coverage with them and the phone /broadband package can be gotten cheaper elsewhere.

Username John · 20-11-2015 10:01am

alps wrote: »

I just get upset when I see the word bonus...

Does this "bonus" form the make up of most employees nowadays, or just the CS, management, financial services type jobs....?

I just can't make out if I hire a guy to milk the cows....he gets €50 for the milking plus another €20 if he actually finishes the milking.....

Ffs....if you get paid to do a job..do it

If you're on a salary off 200k to run an organisation. ..run it...
If it takes 40hrs or 80hrs or 120 hrs per week to do...that's your baby...do it.....

Just a bonus rant..forgive me

A bonus would figure into a lot of jobs nowdays I think...

If you're hired to do a job, and after 12 months of doing it, you have made improvements so now it takes less time / resources / money to do the same job - then should you not be rewarded?

But, as was said - its the critieria for when the bonus gets paid, thats key...

whelan2 · 20-11-2015 10:03am

rangler1 wrote: »

What else does a lobby organisation do, it was the tactic of teaming up with other politicians/organisations in Brussels that got Ciolos idea of the new CAP thrown out. IFA was a lone voice at that but bit by bit they got others on board and then had to get coveney on side as well.
It's alright heckling from the side but calling for resignations when you're prepared to do feck all yourself is a bit of a joke

We have had this discussion a million times before, farming has changed. We all forget it was the farm family that kept the home farms going when daddy or who ever was off lobbying for the ifa, the whole home farm scene has changed . Most wives/ kids wouldnt know were to go to to check something in the yard- and thats their own business- People do not have the time and can not afford to pay for outside help to cover them when they are away

kowtow · 20-11-2015 10:06am

rangler1 wrote: »

What else does a lobby organisation do, it was the tactic of teaming up with other politicians/organisations in Brussels that got Ciolos idea of the new CAP thrown out. IFA was a lone voice at that but bit by bit they got others on board and then had to get coveney on side as well.
It's alright heckling from the side but calling for resignations when you're prepared to do feck all yourself is a bit of a joke

Who says I'm prepared to do feck all?

Irish Farmers have been sold a line that their future depends on inheritance, entitlement, and politics and that they are no more than passengers without any control of their own businesses. To add insult to injury, while cutting their own operations to the bone, they are expected to fund a layer of politicians each of whom claims to be the "only man" to get them the "deal they need".

This is snake oil and politicking of the worst kind, a distraction from the actual business of farming which does none of us (nor the next generation) a service.

Fire the lot of them and start again with people who realise that farming is, and always has been, about growing great food and getting it to market.

boggerman1 · 20-11-2015 10:26am

thank god i cancelled my membership and the taking of the levies by the ifa a few yrs ago.it was always the big guys organisation and a stepping stone to getting to the dail.anyone serious about farming nowadays hasn't time to be on the road the whole time at meetings or organising photo ops.its fine for them older lads as they probably had some fool at home to keep things ticking over

rangler1 · 20-11-2015 10:29am

whelan2 wrote: »

We have had this discussion a million times before, farming has changed. We all forget it was the farm family that kept the home farms going when daddy or who ever was off lobbying for the ifa, the whole home farm scene has changed . Most wives/ kids wouldnt know were to go to to check something in the yard- and thats their own business- People do not have the time and can not afford to pay for outside help to cover them when they are away

I never said phone/electricity deals were good or bad....I said it brings a lot of money into the association, which is what it was set up for,
IFA is based on voluntary input, if I don't bother, then someone else has to.
If everyone that works for the organisation around the country was paid properly the whole organisation would have to be reorganised and I know that farmers wouldn't pay for it. Micheal Berkery always claimed that voluntary officers were compensated for about third of their input, if they claimed it.
I didn't claim all my expenses because 1. I don't need it and 2 I've got back many many times what've put into it.
Smith was stupid to resign if he only got the package he was offered, deans probably happy but he hasn't got the people responsible, all he had it in for was pat Smith. O Cuiv got it right last night, it wasn't smiths problem
Maybe it is time to close the doors, politicians won't be sorry, they have lots of other calls for funding and tax concessions

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