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walshb · 13-04-2021 4:12pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I thought Kahn did very well despite such a rotten KO. I can see a similar pattern in this fight but I’m not sure BJS will have the slickness or speed to stay away as long as 5 rounds, I see him getting hit more but not as cleanly and he should take the shots better so a longer fight. I’d like to watch a competitive fight.

I initially thought the same when first watced

I watched it back couple times, and similar to the Danny Garcia fight, a lot of Khan's work was just so ineffective, as well as energy wasting; and his usual, throwing shots just for the sake of it......

Plus, like Garcia, Canelo was countering well and simply biding his time to set the trap.......

So, did well in the sense that he lasted 4 and a bit rounds, but other than this, he was doing very little as regards putting any type dent on Canelo....

He was like an irritating fly you want to squash in your house.....you know you will get him, but you need a few swipes to get the job done...

ASOT · 13-04-2021 7:32pm

Garcia fighting Javier Fortuna, Haney tearing into him on Twitter.

walshb · 13-04-2021 7:33pm

ASOT wrote: »

Garcia fighting Javier Fortuna, Haney tearing into him on Twitter.

Haney fighting Linares!!!

ASOT · 13-04-2021 7:35pm

walshb wrote: »

Haney fighting Linares!!!

He's on about him saying he wanted pac or tank next then taking this fight. It's a decent next fight for him to be fair. No point in rushing anything.

squinn2912 · 13-04-2021 8:53pm

These are gonna be great fights!! Any dates released?

ASOT · 13-04-2021 9:13pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

These are gonna be great fights!! Any dates released?

Haney Linares May 29th
Garcia Fortuna July 9th

Big Ears · 14-04-2021 10:12pm

James Tennyson fighting Jovanni Straffon for the vacant IBO Lightweight title on the undercard of Chisora Vs Parker (same card as Taylor Vs Jonas).

I've not see Straffon but Tennyson adds value to any card, and is a bit addition to this one.

walshb · 14-04-2021 10:27pm

Big Ears wrote: »

James Tennyson fighting Jovanni Straffon for the vacant IBO Lightweight title on the undercard of Chisora Vs Parker (same card as Taylor Vs Jonas).

I've not see Straffon but Tennyson adds value to any card, and is a bit addition to this one.

Saw that. Burns fight fell through..

Can we agree, win or lose, we’re not calling it a world champion/title...😝

Big Ears · 15-04-2021 12:23pm

walshb wrote: »

Saw that. Burns fight fell through..

Can we agree, win or lose, we’re not calling it a world champion/title...ðŸ˜

I think the Burns fight is a good one for him, although the older Burns is the better for Tennyson, so no harm if it happens a few months down the line.

Clearly the IBO is only a minor 'World title', it's the best of the lesser ones, but still not up there with the rest.

However I've changed my view on World titles over the years, with the sanctioning bodies throwing out titles like it's nobody's business and interim titles easy to come by with all of the big 4, I look at winning a 'World title' as being similar to winning a major in Golf/Tennis.

It's an indication you're one of the best boxers in your weight class (there are exceptions) and a solid achievement you can look back on when your career is finished, but nothing more or nothing less.
Only when a fighter clearly establishes themself as #1 or as the Lineal champion do I refer to them as being a "World Champion", otherwise they're simply a title holder.

This seems quite important to James for whatever reason, and that's okay. Bringing the Golf/Tennis analogy back into things, this would be like winning a decent event on the PGA/ATP tou, but not a Major.

walshb · 15-04-2021 2:35pm

Big Ears wrote: »

I think the Burns fight is a good one for him, although the older Burns is the better for Tennyson, so no harm if it happens a few months down the line.

Clearly the IBO is only a minor 'World title', it's the best of the lesser ones, but still not up there with the rest.

However I've changed my view on World titles over the years, with the sanctioning bodies throwing out titles like it's nobody's business and interim titles easy to come by with all of the big 4, I look at winning a 'World title' as being similar to winning a major in Golf/Tennis.

It's an indication you're one of the best boxers in your weight class (there are exceptions) and a solid achievement you can look back on when your career is finished, but nothing more or nothing less.
Only when a fighter clearly establishes themself as #1 or as the Lineal champion do I refer to them as being a "World Champion", otherwise they're simply a title holder.

This seems quite important to James for whatever reason, and that's okay. Bringing the Golf/Tennis analogy back into things, this would be like winning a decent event on the PGA/ATP tou, but not a Major.

Fair enough

I don't see winning some nothing "world belt" where they pick two boxers from nowhere and have them fight for it as being remotely comparable to winning a slam in tennis, where all the best on earth are for that one time...

But I see and understand and agree on your overall points here...

squinn2912 · 15-04-2021 7:00pm

walshb wrote: »

Fair enough

I don't see winning some nothing "world belt" where they pick two boxers from nowhere and have them fight for it as being remotely comparable to winning a slam in tennis, where all the best on earth are for that one time...

But I see and understand and agree on your overall points here...

Aye I like the analogy but if you take a quick example like Charles Martin who was a world champion, his equivalent in the tennis world wouldn’t get to do ball boy at a slam

walshb · 15-04-2021 7:10pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Aye I like the analogy but if you take a quick example like Charles Martin who was a world champion, his equivalent in the tennis world wouldn’t get to do ball boy at a slam

Well, it’s been quite some time since someone not rated highly has won a slam in tennis..

Some these world titles and belts and holders would be like top 50 in tennis terms...not even near top ten. Rounds 1-3 in tennis slams at best.

Golf completely different. Anyone in the field can win. It’s you against the course..

walshb · 15-04-2021 7:15pm

Andrade in this week as he continues fighting absolute nobodies at MW..

ASOT · 15-04-2021 7:24pm

walshb wrote: »

Andrade in this week as he continues fighting absolute nobodies at MW..

I'm s big fan of Liam Williams and his style of boxing, seems like a genuine fella. Hope he beats him.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 15-04-2021 7:51pm

walshb wrote: »

Andrade in this week as he continues fighting absolute nobodies at MW..

Its pretty bizarre, Hearn signed him to a bit of a fanfare. Level of opposition has been so awful since, especially given the depth of MW and the division either side

ASOT · 16-04-2021 8:03pm

Holyfield v Kevin McBride announced on the undercard of Teo Lopez next fight v Kambosos Jr June 5th, the DJ Diplo is also fight on the undercard........

normanoffside · 16-04-2021 8:35pm

ASOT wrote: »

Holyfield v Kevin McBride announced on the undercard of Teo Lopez next fight v Kambosos Jr June 5th, the DJ Diplo is also fight on the undercard........

Any real fights?

squinn2912 · 16-04-2021 8:53pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Any real fights?

What a loada sh*te. Punishment making anyone watch that.

Big Ears · 16-04-2021 9:01pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, it’s been quite some time since someone not rated highly has won a slam in tennis..

Some these world titles and belts and holders would be like top 50 in tennis terms...not even near top ten. Rounds 1-3 in tennis slams at best.

Golf completely different. Anyone in the field can win. It’s you against the course..

Ya I retract the tennis bit tbh, a handful of guys win everything, but the golf one is still somewhat correct.

I find the Andrade Vs Williams fight somewhat interesting. Andrade has much quicker fight and should make easy work of Williams when on the outside, he also should be able to time Williams coming in, and he's naturally bigger than Williams.

However Williams is a very dangerous fighter on the inside and can punch. He's particularly dangerous when fighters are trying to clinch him and Andrade will have to be careful if he's trying to tie Williams up at any stage, Williams has a unique ability to turn his hips over and generate force when half tangled up.

I also suspect Andrade could be a bit mentally weak.
He celebrated the Keeler fight in a manner as if he'd just gone life and death in there, and I feel that mentally for him that fight seemed tough just because Keeler stayed in there and kept trying to win.
If Williams can get close and keep him under pressure he might be able to get him to break.
......... it's still quite an if though.

ASOT · 16-04-2021 9:09pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Any real fights?

That's the way the games going by the looks of things , the likes of Triller will bid for a decent fight , Lopez in this case then fill the card with old men and z list celeb fights. It's a joke.

normanoffside · 16-04-2021 10:46pm

Tank Davis moving up to 140 for a minor world title

https://twitter.com/Gervontaa/status/1382829964521730048

blade1 · 17-04-2021 7:44am

normanoffside wrote: »

Any real fights?

Yeah, my mother raised her stick to one of the nurses in nursing home the other day so that will probably kick off one of these days.

walshb · 20-04-2021 2:47pm

Eddie has an interesting Saunders foto on his Instagram.

Some filters going around!!

Blanco100 · 20-04-2021 5:15pm

walshb wrote: »

Eddie has an interesting Saunders foto on his Instagram.

Some filters going around!!

Do tell

walshb · 20-04-2021 7:28pm

Blanco100 wrote: »

Do tell

https://www.instagram.com/p/CN4xTW2A69p/?igshid=4cf3gqf7x324

normanoffside · 24-04-2021 9:25pm

Anyone watch the BTSports card?
Looks like Adeleye is in for an upset against Sokolowski

normanoffside · 24-04-2021 9:31pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Anyone watch the BTSports card?
Looks like Adeleye is in for an upset against Sokolowski

Sokolowski got robbed.

ASOT · 24-04-2021 9:37pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Anyone watch the BTSports card?
Looks like Adeleye is in for an upset against Sokolowski

Robbery

The state of Arthur saying he didn't score it and the rest of the dodging the question on if he should have got the win.

Diddley Squat · 24-04-2021 9:38pm

I got the "W" ......
I did what I had to do ...........

Hate that crap when they get a dodgy decision.

Denzel to win over Cash later

normanoffside · 24-04-2021 9:49pm

ASOT wrote: »

Robbery

The state of Arthur saying he didn't score it and the rest of the dodging the question on if he should have got the win.

I gave the Pole every round. He didn’t take it too badly, looks like getting robbed is part of his job and he’s been there before.

ASOT · 24-04-2021 9:56pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I gave the Pole every round. He didn’t take it too badly, looks like getting robbed is part of his job and he’s been there before.

Spot on, at a push could have have Adeyele the 6th but he was badly beaten.

Great first round their now.

ASOT · 24-04-2021 10:00pm

Good stoppage, short but good fight.

squinn2912 · 25-04-2021 2:18pm

ASOT wrote: »

Spot on, at a push could have have Adeyele the 6th but he was badly beaten.

Great first round their now.

Just been catching up

I gave him round 3 and 6 and they were very close rounds. The other 4 were easily the Pole’s. Any fighter with a losing record taken over to fight a prospect needs a ko to get a win. Total theft.

Bentley was very poor he was asking to be ironed out the entire fight. Cash looked much stronger from the first bell. Bentley was talking about having superior footwork... he was all over the place no balance and hands down. Good stoppage slightly late if anything.

Big Ears · 26-04-2021 5:41pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I gave the Pole every round. He didn’t take it too badly, looks like getting robbed is part of his job and he’s been there before.

I haven't seen the fight yet, but what in God's name was their matchmaker choosing Sokolowski for a young prospect who's fought nobody ??

If you're stepping him up against somebody who can take him the distance for the first time, don't make it against somebody who could beat anyone outside the World's top 50 when motivated and in decent shape !

Even when I saw the match up was scheduled my first thought was "**** that's risky !"

Johner · 27-04-2021 10:55am

I think Canelo is in for an awkward tough night, I think he’ll win a close decision but it won’t be easy and I honestly don’t think it would be a massive shock if Billy Joe won it. BJS is so unlikable but he’s still very good and he’s tough to pin down. The better the opponent the better he will be I think.

walshb · 27-04-2021 5:07pm

Johner wrote: »

I think Canelo is in for an awkward tough night, I think he’ll win a close decision but it won’t be easy and I honestly don’t think it would be a massive shock if Billy Joe won it. BJS is so unlikable but he’s still very good and he’s tough to pin down. The better the opponent the better he will be I think.

I hope to fook that you’re wrong..

I feel it’s a clear and dominant win for Canelo..

Even if Saunders is slippy and hard to find, he’ll lose wide for not having any offence..

He’ll lose at least 9 rounds if it goes all the way..

Canelo is far too good for Saunders, and the fact that Saunders has nothing on his shots, will make this a walk in the park for Canelo.

Blanco100 · 27-04-2021 5:14pm

Think people are grossly underestimating how awkward BJS is also.

Don't get me wrong, fully expect Canelo to win but don't think it will be a walk him down, make him quit job.

The more motivated Saunders is the better he performs. I'm not a huge fan but he's a very decent fighter, he's not going to blast anyone out of there but he's got a very decent skillset, always thought himself and Canelo would be an interesting fight and probably one Canelo would avoid, mainly because of the risk/reward thing, BJS doesn't bring much money to table and Canelo might not look good having to make the fight himself.

But let's be honest, Canelo has gone up a few levels since and looks very impressive even at super middleweight, which I didn't think was possible.

Love to have seen him in with Froch or Andre Ward.

As Walshb says above, I'd see more a wide UD for Canelo. Canelo will be doing well to KO him, I expect BJS to try and avoid as much punishment as he can.

walshb · 27-04-2021 5:36pm

Blanco100 wrote: »

Think people are grossly underestimating how awkward BJS is also.

Don't get me wrong, fully expect Canelo to win but don't think it will be a walk him down, make him quit job.

The more motivated Saunders is the better he performs. I'm not a huge fan but he's a very decent fighter, he's not going to blast anyone out of there but he's got a very decent skillset, always thought himself and Canelo would be an interesting fight and probably one Canelo would avoid, mainly because of the risk/reward thing, BJS doesn't bring much money to table and Canelo might not look good having to make the fight himself.

But let's be honest, Canelo has gone up a few levels since and looks very impressive even at super middleweight, which I didn't think was possible.

Love to have seen him in with Froch or Andre Ward.

As Walshb says above, I'd see more a wide UD for Canelo. Canelo will be doing well to KO him, I expect BJS to try and avoid as much punishment as he can.

Froch and Ward for me too good

Froch is a big SMW with a solid chin, excellent overall body strength and could punch....fit as fook as well....and towering over Canelo. And won't be scared ****less like that lump, Smith was. I'd make Froch a winner here. Busier, stronger, bigger and will not be knocked out. I think he bullies the smaller Canelo all night, as well as hurts him inside fighting and outside fighting.

Ward would be too good everywhere for Canelo, as well as bigger and as strong physically, if not stronger.

I like Canelo, but he can get a little overrated in the historical sense I feel...

His best win? A razor close decision over GGG, who for me gets overrated historically as well.

Canelo has fought a lot, but were any really great at MW and SMW....? As in as great as some form years gone by? I think no way.

squinn2912 · 27-04-2021 7:27pm

walshb wrote: »

Froch and Ward for me too good

Froch is a big SMW with a solid chin, excellent overall body strength and could punch....fit as fook as well....and towering over Canelo. And won't be scared ****less like that lump, Smith was. I'd make Froch a winner here. Busier, stronger, bigger and will not be knocked out. I think he bullies the smaller Canelo all night, as well as hurts him inside fighting and outside fighting.

Ward would be too good everywhere for Canelo, as well as bigger and as strong physically, if not stronger.

I like Canelo, but he can get a little overrated in the historical sense I feel...

His best win? A razor close decision over GGG, who for me gets overrated historically as well.

Canelo has fought a lot, but were any really great at MW and SMW....? As in as great as some form years gone by? I think no way.

I don’t give him a prayer against either Froch or Ward. I’m not sure he’d be fit for Taylor or Hopkins either

Morrison J · 27-04-2021 9:01pm

Think Froch would've had a decent shout against the Canelo of the GGG 1 fight and before (pre-clenbuterol). Think the version of Canelo these days would box his ears off though in a one sided fight to be honest. Surprised so many would pick Froch.

walshb · 27-04-2021 9:01pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I don’t give him a prayer against either Froch or Ward. I’m not sure he’d be fit for Taylor or Hopkins either

Agreed. Both big MW fighters with real talent..

Canelo would have far more success against smaller MWs like Hagler...

Guys with real talent and height and reach advantage would be problematic for him..

walshb · 28-04-2021 12:29pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Think Froch would've had a decent shout against the Canelo of the GGG 1 fight and before (pre-clenbuterol). Think the version of Canelo these days would box his ears off though in a one sided fight to be honest. Surprised so many would pick Froch.

Not sure what you see in Canelo from GGG 1 to now..

He has hardly looked greatly improved..

He beat a shot to bits Kovalev, who was in for a spar and nothing else...

Beat a really poor Smith, and an atrocious Yildirim.

Pretty much the same Canelo these past few years.

A prime Froch puts on an infinitely better show than Kovalev and Smith...

And Kovalev was still having success despite him sparring Canelo..

Froch is 3-4 inches taller. Bigger man, rough and strong, solid chin, good solid hitter, fit as fook, and busy..

I cannot see how Canelo easily outboxes him..Canelo will find the physical advantages an issue. Froch can box, fight, slug and rough it up.

Morrison J · 28-04-2021 1:56pm

walshb wrote: »

Not sure what you see in Canelo from GGG 1 to now..

I think he's improved in loads of ways but mainly a big improvement in his gas tank. He faded in the mid rounds of that first GGG fight and had to stand on the ropes for large periods to catch a breather. He used to do that in nearly all his fights. He didn't have a good 12 rounds in him at all.

Then suddenly he stood in the pocket for 12 rounds in the rematch, upped his output and never really looked that tired. His back never touched the ropes against Kovalev or Smith recently either.

I think Froch of all fighters takes advantage of that previous dodgy gas tank. Canelo sitting on the ropes in front of him for multiple rounds would not end well.

I think these days Canelo would come forward and meet Froch toe to toe like he did in the GGG rematch and have way too much speed for him. Win clear on points.

ASOT · 28-04-2021 4:12pm

Another joke fight announced.

Tyson v Lewis in September.

walshb · 28-04-2021 4:28pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Then suddenly he stood in the pocket for 12 rounds in the rematch, upped his output and never really looked that tired. His back never touched the ropes against Kovalev or Smith recently either.
.

Yes, but Smith and Kovalev gave nothing....they were dreadfully cautious

So, when you know the opposition is not really bothering or pushing or threatening, it can be easier to be more relaxed and composed and your engine will not be as affected.

GGG1 saw GGG pushing the fight and pace

GGG2 saw a very timid and cautious GGG, one who tried to be overly cute. GGG in fight 2 did not attack or press near as much as in fight 1. And it was a big reason for me why he lost. He allowed Canelo control the tempo and the fight.

I juts cannot see how anything ios clear here as regards Canelo improving in many ways......

The opposition post GGG were dirt....they offered nothing.

I agree that Canelo has a speed advantage over Froch.....loads fighters did. But Canelo for me a little too small to in any way bully or trouble Froch. He also won't be as rough as Froch or as physically strong. Froch can go all night and has more volume, as well as power to really get Canelo's respect...

I think Froch ruins GGG

SHOVELLER · 28-04-2021 9:00pm

As Canelo said to Bensinger the win over Chavez jnr was easy work so yes he hasnt fought anyone since GGG. I mean I was at the Fielding effort and that was shameful stuff.

Good debate on Froch there. While Canelo is more talented nobody was gonna bully Froch.

Canelo will beat Saunders but anyone disputing the latter's skills based on his woeful personality flaws is in for a surprise. Andy Lee says he will cause Canelo problems.

funkey_monkey · 28-04-2021 9:40pm

Is Katie Taylor going to be under pressure at the weekend against Jonas or is this a straight forward defence for her?

squinn2912 · 28-04-2021 10:41pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

As Canelo said to Bensinger the win over Chavez jnr was easy work so yes he hasnt fought anyone since GGG. I mean I was at the Fielding effort and that was shameful stuff.

Good debate on Froch there. While Canelo is more talented nobody was gonna bully Froch.

Canelo will beat Saunders but anyone disputing the latter's skills based on his woeful personality flaws is in for a surprise. Andy Lee says he will cause Canelo problems.

God I thought I’d imagined the fielding mismatch. What a beating. I think a hungry Kov would’ve beaten canelo too. Not many wanted to tangle with him when he was in his prime.

Yea I can see Saunders being surprisingly competitive but I don’t think Canelo will be in much danger.

I see Eubank jr calling out GGG yesterday, cherry picking a finished name?

Morrison J · 29-04-2021 1:29am

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but Smith and Kovalev gave nothing....they were dreadfully cautious

So, when you know the opposition is not really bothering or pushing or threatening, it can be easier to be more relaxed and composed and your engine will not be as affected.

GGG1 saw GGG pushing the fight and pace

GGG2 saw a very timid and cautious GGG, one who tried to be overly cute. GGG in fight 2 did not attack or press near as much as in fight 1. And it was a big reason for me why he lost. He allowed Canelo control the tempo and the fight.

I juts cannot see how anything ios clear here as regards Canelo improving in many ways......

The opposition post GGG were dirt....they offered nothing.

I agree that Canelo has a speed advantage over Froch.....loads fighters did. But Canelo for me a little too small to in any way bully or trouble Froch. He also won't be as rough as Froch or as physically strong. Froch can go all night and has more volume, as well as power to really get Canelo's respect...

I think Froch ruins GGG

I had Kovalev up in that fight by a round at the time of the stoppage iirc. Don't think he actually fought that poorly. Was one of the nights I was most impressed with Canelo though tbh. Showed improvements in that he's learnt to cut off the ring and apply educated pressure. Something he failed badly at against Lara for example. I know it was a faded Kovalev but to smother the much bigger man in a fight like that and take him out like he did was very impressive.

I think with the GGG rematch it was Canelo that forced GGG to fight more timid by coming forward and pushing GGG onto the back foot. Unfair to just say "GGG fought timid" and give no credit to Canelo for being the one dictating that imo. GGG had to fight timid as he was fighting a better counter puncher than him. Thought GGG fought similar to how he did against Lemieux basically using the jab as a stick to defend with but the difference was Canelo could counter over his jab far more effectively than Lemieux could. Was a razor close fight.

Would Canelo be able to make Froch fight more timid? Froch is a physical freak who could walk through a lot but I still think Canelo's sharp counters especially to the body would make him think twice.

If you're going to pick apart Canelo's resume I could do similar with Froch's too. It's a very good resume but there's still quite a few holes when you dissect it.

Pascal - very good win
Taylor - good win but Taylor well up on cards and coming off a bad loss to Pavlik
Dirrell - got the win but large majority scored it clear to Dirrell
Kessler - Loss
Abraham - decent win but Abraham a paper champion and not a true 168
Ward - Loss (and completely outclassed)
Bute - very good win
Kessler - good win but felt he caught a faded Kessler who retired afterwards
Groves 1 - fortunate stoppage after being outclassed for multiple rounds
Groves 2 - very good win but one you'd say Groves was too timid in

One thing that sticks out is his struggles with speed. Ward, Taylor, Dirrell and Groves all gave him absolute nightmares. There's enough there to at least make a fighter of Canelo's class a clear favourite for me.

walshb · 29-04-2021 7:19am

All Froch’s wins were against real 168 lbers. Canelo is a 154-160 fighter at his best I reckon. Still very good above this, just too small for me for Froch

Froch’s resume at 168 is clearly superior to Canelo’s.

His wins over Taylor, Kessler, Pascal, Bute, Arthur etc were all against proper SMW fighters with real talent. Taylor, did move up from MW, but he was big at MW

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