Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

Wheeliebin30 · 03-01-2018 2:22pm

When was the last time we had a random stabbing in Ireland and numerous people were injured and died?

testaccount123 · 03-01-2018 2:22pm

Grayson wrote: »

The opposite usually. If you take a look at terrorist attacks and try to figure how a normal young person ends up becoming a terrorist then you're a "terrorist apologist".

I think you mean 'try to figure how a normal young person ends up becoming a terrorist while excluding Islam as a possibility'.

Pac1Man · 03-01-2018 2:23pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Were you upset at the Polish man stabbed by another? Did you start a thread or comment about that?
Or an Irish man stabbed to death by his brother ? No? Why?
Because they’re white?

If I hear of a Muslim man commit a murder in a western country, my interest is immediately piqued because of the hard evidence over the last 5-10 years suggest it could be a terrorist act. Don't be so naive.

homerjay2005 · 03-01-2018 2:23pm

humberklog wrote: »

Dunno yet. The one in Cavan where a Polish guy died is thought to be over a card game.

The one in Limerick appears to have been an argument between brothers.

It'll take more than a couple of hours after the event to figure out why the stabbing in Dundalk occurred.
The murderer in Dundalk may have been related to his victim and it's possible they might have been arguing over a card game. All that is highly unlikely though.
We'll just have to wait and see.

we can only go on what the media are saying and at the moment, both RTE and TV3, the 2 national broadcasters have mentioned terrorism. would they do that, without some form of credible information?

rte mentioned his phone, internet history etc etc are being checked.

Grayson · 03-01-2018 2:24pm

humberklog wrote: »

Dunno yet. The one in Cavan where a Polish guy died is thought to be over a card game.

The one in Limerick appears to have been an argument between brothers.

It'll take more than a couple of hours after the event to figure out why the stabbing in Dundalk occurred.
The murderer in Dundalk may have been related to his victim and it's possible they might have been arguing over a card game. All that is highly unlikely though.
We'll just have to wait and see.

yep. When a woman was attacked with acid it assumed by a load of people that a muslim did it. Sensible thing is to wait and see.

03-01-2018 2:35pm

From the areas I saw sealed off he didn't go as far as was being reported earlier. The two non-fatal places just have a squad car protecting them, doubt there's much evidence there but everything has to be covered.

I'm usually quick to criticise the Gardai but they seem to have responded fairly quick. An attack like this is not something I expect them to be great at handling just for simple logistical reasons.

some random drunk · 03-01-2018 2:37pm

RTE saying now the attacker was from Egypt.

tayto lover · 03-01-2018 2:38pm

There were three separate attacks in Dundalk.
1. Seatown Place - 2 Irish people on their way to work attacked and struck by man with iron bar and carrying knives.
2. The Inner Relief Road - 1 person believed to have been stabbed.
3. Avenue Road - 1 man stabbed to death. Believed to be a Japanese man of about 24.

Syrian national?? about 18/19 years of age tackled and arrested by garda in uniform. He is believed to have carried out all the attacks.
No motive as yet.

I spoke with several people in the area who are very shocked.

_Whimsical_ · 03-01-2018 2:38pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

we can only go on what the media are saying and at the moment, both RTE and TV3, the 2 national broadcasters have mentioned terrorism. would they do that, without some form of credible information?

rte mentioned his phone, internet history etc etc are being checked.

I didn't hear them mention terrorism on the TV news but they did stress he was an 18 year old boy from Syria with little English and that all his digital activity was now being scoured in detail.
He was also carrying several weapons.

Jobs OXO · 03-01-2018 2:39pm

some random drunk wrote: »

RTE saying now the attacker was from Egypt.

Hmmm the plot thickens....

Nesta99 · 03-01-2018 2:40pm

Already the attacker's nationality has been amended from Syrian to Egyptian by RTE, from Middle Eastern initially. So North African and Egyptian not Miiddle Eastern, Syrian. People may comment on what difference does it make but already the facts reported on this incident have changed significantly enough as the hours pass. It is a waste of hot air jumping to any conclusions.

TeaBagMania · 03-01-2018 2:40pm

wait, aren't knives banned?

jay-me · 03-01-2018 2:42pm

Could be just some over the top teenager who got dumped and lost an online game.

Could be a mentally ill kid who lost it.

Could be a muslim terrorist hell bent on highlighting to the world the suffering his people are going through by whacking a few Irish culchies and maiming a Jap guy?

Which sounds more plausible and which sounds like fear mongering?

Cantona's Collars · 03-01-2018 2:43pm

some random drunk wrote: »

RTE saying now the attacker was from Egypt.

They said Syrian on the One o' Clock news. The deceased was Japanese.

Snake Plisken · 03-01-2018 2:43pm

tayto lover wrote: »

There were three separate attacks in Dundalk.
1. Seatown Place - 2 Irish people on their way to work attacked and struck by man with iron bar and carrying knives.
2. The Inner Relief Road - 1 person believed to have been stabbed.
3. Avenue Road - 1 man stabbed to death. Believed to be a Japanese man of about 24.

Syrian national?? about 18/19 years of age tackled and arrested by garda in uniform. He is believed to have carried out all the attacks.
No motive as yet.

I spoke with several people in the area who are very shocked.

Well if we read the points as laid out above it seemed to have been a planned attack not some argument over a card game or disagreement between friends at a party.
And based on similar attacks across Western countries it bares the hallmarks of a terrorist attack

03-01-2018 2:44pm

tayto lover wrote: »

There were three separate attacks in Dundalk.
1. Seatown Place - 2 Irish people on their way to work attacked and struck by man with iron bar and carrying knives.
2. The Inner Relief Road - 1 person believed to have been stabbed.
3. Avenue Road - 1 man stabbed to death. Believed to be a Japanese man of about 24.

Syrian national?? about 18/19 years of age tackled and arrested by garda in uniform. He is believed to have carried out all the attacks.
No motive as yet.

I spoke with several people in the area who are very shocked.

I couldn't see anything around Seatown. He covered a fair bit of ground if he was there too.

kaymin · 03-01-2018 2:52pm

'Initial investigations indicate that he may have applied to remain in the UK, but may have been refused and entered Ireland following the refusal.'

Another great performance from the Dept of Justice

Garda believe they were random attacks (meaning terrorism).

TheRedPanther · 03-01-2018 2:54pm

There is a strong correlation between the people who say we shouldn’t jump to conclusions & the people who act as apologists for Islamic terrorism & make excuses & try to normalise it.

Professor Moriarty · 03-01-2018 2:55pm

kaymin wrote: »

'Initial investigations indicate that he may have applied to remain in the UK, but may have been refused and entered Ireland following the refusal.'

Another great performance from the Dept of Justice

Garda believe they were random attacks (meaning terrorism).

What mistake did the DoJ make?

Dr Brown · 03-01-2018 2:55pm

The do gooders now have blood on their hands.

Grayson · 03-01-2018 2:56pm

TheRedPanther wrote: »

There is a strong correlation between the people who say we shouldn’t jump to conclusions & the people who act as apologists for Islamic terrorism & make excuses & try to normalise it.

There's a strong correlation between being a rereg and posting sh1te.

tayto lover · 03-01-2018 2:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I couldn't see anything around Seatown. He covered a fair bit of ground if he was there too.

Seatown Place I was told.

Beechwoodspark · 03-01-2018 2:56pm

These open borders Scumbags like that game of thrones actor have blood on their hands on days like this.

bodice ripper · 03-01-2018 2:57pm

Dr Brown wrote:

The do gooders now have blood on their hands.

I'd say your hands are fairly sticky reading this thread too...

Irishmale0399 · 03-01-2018 2:58pm

some random drunk wrote: »

RTE saying now the attacker was from Egypt.

This is something very common. Germans had the same problems last year after the attacks on the Christmas market in Berlin.

Simple fact is a lot of north African nationals entered the EU claiming to be Syrian to get refugee status. In some cases they even have original Syrian passports which they seem to have bought on the black market.

03-01-2018 2:59pm

Grayson wrote: »

There's a strong correlation between being a rereg and posting sh1te.

I drove down it and saw nothing. Checked Mill St. as well and nowt. Just the 2 spots on the bypass either side of National Tile and the Avenue Road closed.

Klonker · 03-01-2018 3:04pm

Fernando Flat Silkworm wrote:

May not be the case here, but an awful lot of these attacks are carried out by second generation immigrants, who were born in the country they attack.

Fernando Flat Silkworm wrote:

It's radicalisation that needs to be tackled, and Trump is to radicalisation what Bloody Sunday was to the ra, tbh.

It is usually 2nd generation but you don't get 2nd generation without letting first generation in first. You are also right about it being radicalisation that's the problem but the reason they are being radicalized is they don't fit in to our society and shouldn't be coming in the numbers they are with next to no vetting. The only way to fight it is to reduce immigration substantially, it may not be ideal and goes against how most of us would like the world to act but it's the only weapon we have to fight this.

kaymin · 03-01-2018 3:06pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

What mistake did the DoJ make?

They allowed him into the country.

Dr Brown · 03-01-2018 3:08pm

There needs to be a total shut down on "refugees" coming into Ireland.

Donald Trump · 03-01-2018 3:09pm

Oh oh oh. Me me me. I want to say it. I'm brilliant and Obama wouldn't say it:

Radical Islamic Terrorism

Feck. I just jizzed on my keyboard

Irishmale0399 · 03-01-2018 3:11pm

kaymin wrote: »

They allowed him into the country.

Maybe he came in through England and NI....then the DoJ has nothing to do with it.

Unless of course you want a closed border again.

Professor Moriarty · 03-01-2018 3:14pm

kaymin wrote: »

They allowed him into the country.

How did it happen that he was refused entry into the UK and ended up here? Why was he refused entry into the UK?

Omackeral · 03-01-2018 3:15pm

Grayson wrote: »

yep. When a woman was attacked with acid it assumed by a load of people that a muslim did it. Sensible thing is to wait and see.

Was that person ever caught?

Professor Moriarty · 03-01-2018 3:15pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

The do gooders now have blood on their hands.

So what are the do badders up to?

pilly · 03-01-2018 3:17pm

6541 wrote: »

If some middle eastern bloke came within 5 meters of me I would politely ask him to stop his approach. If he did not cease at this point he better have a really big knife and know how to use it.

Aren't you quite the hard man. :rolleyes:

kaymin · 03-01-2018 3:17pm

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Maybe he came in through England and NI....then the DoJ has nothing to do with it.

Unless of course you want a closed border again.

An Egyptian travelling to Ireland from UK does not currently have freedom of travel especially if he has been refused refugee status in the UK. You are being hysterical if you think exercising existing border controls for such persons amounts to a closed border.

Grayson · 03-01-2018 3:18pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Was that person ever caught?

I haven't googled it but I think they were. If I'm remembering it correctly a guy did it at the behest of another woman. I think it wasn't specific but a juvenile was charged with an assault that happened in the same place. Since it was the only crime that happened people assumed the assault was the acid attack.

Or maybe I'm remembering something completely different.

inforfun · 03-01-2018 3:18pm

Fernando Flat Silkworm wrote: »

It's radicalisation that needs to be tackled, and Trump is to radicalisation what Bloody Sunday was to the ra, tbh.

You will not hear me say he is a brilliant president but to blame him for the radical islam that has been attacking Europeans for over a decade now is utter bull ****.

The 2nd coming of jesus, Obama and certainly that bitch who lost the elections to Trump are a 1000x more to blame for that than Trump ever can be.
And lets not forget Frau Merkel who thought it was time again for the Germans to **** Europe up once again.

Corcaigh84 · 03-01-2018 3:19pm

The irony here is the poor Japanese lad would never have been stabbed to death by a radicalized immigrant in his own country, due to the Japanese having some common sense.

Omackeral · 03-01-2018 3:19pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So what are the do badders up to?

Stabbing people to death.

Canis Lupus · 03-01-2018 3:19pm

We should put more bollards up.

Donald Trump · 03-01-2018 3:21pm

pilly wrote: »

6541 wrote: »

If some middle eastern bloke came within 5 meters of me I would politely ask him to stop his approach. If he did not cease at this point he better have a really big knife and know how to use it.

Aren't you quite the hard man. :rolleyes:

Perhaps he's just uncontrollably sexually attracted to "middle eastern blokes" and the only way to stop him from gobbling off the fellas knob would be if the fella had a weapon to fight him off?

You shouldn't necessarily assume he's a racist of violent person.

Although your description of being a "hard man" might still be relevant....just a different sort of "hard" perhaps. I don't know. Just giving him the benefit of the doubt!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-01-2018 3:21pm

Klonker wrote: »

It is usually 2nd generation but you don't get 2nd generation without letting first generation in first. You are also right about it being radicalisation that's the problem but the reason they are being radicalized is they don't fit in to our society and shouldn't be coming in the numbers they are with next to no vetting. The only way to fight it is to reduce immigration substantially, it may not be ideal and goes against how most of us would like the world to act but it's the only weapon we have to fight this.

But we're not going to stop attacks by second generation immigrants by stopping immigration, and it certainly won't deradicalise the population already here. How much even is there into Ireland? Yeah there have to be checks and balances but we're hardly overrun like.

There's been a substantial Muslim population in Europe for decades, it's not the existence of Islam that's the problem, something has changed in the past fifteen years.

I've had largely positive or neutral interactions with Muslims of varying ethnicities, levels of piety over the years but I'm no fan of severe/extremist/whatever Islam. For instance it boils my piss seeing a small girl wearing a hijab or khimar, which, while exceedingly rare, I have seen in Ireland. But from a purely practical perspective the only way to integrate people and work against radicalisation is to work with Muslim community, the majority of whom ARE moderates.

Lux23 · 03-01-2018 3:21pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

There needs to be a total shut down on "refugees" coming into Ireland.

Why? How many refugees have committed crimes in Ireland?

Donald Trump · 03-01-2018 3:21pm

thefloss wrote: »

The irony here is the poor Japanese lad would never have been stabbed to death by a radicalized immigrant in his own country, due to the Japanese having some common sense.

you mean if he'd fecked off back to his own country???...................................

Poor fella is dead

kaymin · 03-01-2018 3:22pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

How did it happen that he was refused entry into the UK and ended up here? Why was he refused entry into the UK?

Not aware that information is available to the public. At a guess it may be because he claimed to be a Syrian refugee but is in fact Egyptian.

At the very least I expect the DoJ to have screened him before allowing him in and to have taken account of the reasons why he was refused refugee status in the UK.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-01-2018 3:23pm

inforfun wrote: »

You will not hear me say he is a brilliant president but to blame him for the radical islam that has been attacking Europeans for over a decade now is utter bull ****.
.

Yeah I didn't do that though

Gatling · 03-01-2018 3:23pm

Lux23 wrote: »

Why? How many refugees have committed crimes in Ireland?

Plenty actually

Donald Trump · 03-01-2018 3:24pm

Does anyone remember the halcyon days when the 'fugees were only killing us softly, with their songs

Odhinn · 03-01-2018 3:24pm

kaymin wrote: »

Not aware that information is available to the public. At a guess it may be because he claimed to be a Syrian refugee but is in fact Egyptian.

At the very least I expect the DoJ to have screened him before allowing him in and to have taken account of the reasons why he was refused refugee status in the UK.

Where are we getting the "refused refugee status in the UK" from?

Breaking: At least 1 man dead after stabbing rampage in Dundalk

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