Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

What's the story with Alan ''Fat Puss'' Bradley now, is he still with us, in or out or what?

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1099310256881045504

Those photos were in the paper the other day (The one without the helmet definitely was).

Very sad about John Lawless. I hope the f**king scumbags are caught and beaten every day in prison. Cowards.

El_Bee wrote: »

What's the harshest sentence these guys have ever gotten?

Brian Meehan has served over 20 years and is expected to spend the rest of his life in prison.

El_Bee wrote: »

Why him and no one else though?

You asked what was the harshest.

I answered you and now you want me to answer why there is only one harshest?

Really?

El_Bee wrote: »

I meant to ask why are sentences like this so rare.

It’s because he got locked up for killing a darling of the media and not an ordinary joe soap.

El_Bee wrote: »

I meant to ask why are sentences like this so rare.

they're not. the average sentence for "life" sentence prisoners is 22 years.

GinAndBitter wrote: »

These African gangs terrorising parts of Dublin are very much real and not some far right fantasy.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gsoc-to-probe-gardas-alleged-racist-language-rbmk78nvh

And GSOC aregoing to waste their time and that of the Gardai looking into what 1 Garda said at a conference!
Joke

SKILFUL wrote: »

If irish people were not so racist these children would not have to borrow food to feed there starving children

It's honestly hard to know if this is sarcastic or not nowadays.

Dante7 wrote: »

The poster has a legitimate query as to why some life sentences are longer than others. Not too long ago the average life sentence was only 14 years.

There are a lot of reasons, but certain crimes are viewed as an attack on the very fabric of our society and will always attract very harsh sentences. Murdering a Garda, for example will nearly always get a much longer life sentence. The murder of Veronica Guerin was also an attack against our civilization and that is why Brian Meehan will serve a very long time. It's also why Gilligan got such a long sentence for his cannabis crime.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/life-sentence-prisoners-served-on-average-18-years-before-being-released-1.3651950

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see the Indo is reporting that Zach Parker had about €25k in his bank accounts.
Seem odd then that he would be shot dead over a 50k drugs debt. Unless of course you have the more likely explanation which is the papers hadn't a clue why he was shot and dreamed up the 50k debt or the indo haven't a clue how much is in his bank account.

Definitely BS.
I've heard a few unpleasant stories about him since, threw his weight around a bit on younger lads etc.
Not sure anyone believes the debt. Most reckon it was the fact that others eyes were opened to how lucrative his 'turf' was, and no need for him.
If he needed €50k fearing for his life, I'm sure he would have got his hands on it quickly enough.

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine the family's grief at losing their loved one. I'm sure they go through all kinds of hardships coming to terms with their son's lifestyle before death.

They are innocent of all crimes and entitled to eulogize their loss if it helps them with their grief. Others are entitled not to believe it, or scoff. But the family themselves should be respected.

I was referring to all families of deceased gangland deaths. They're not all scum.

El_Bee wrote: »

the conditions for this fued to end will leave one dominant gang in Dublin right?

Doubt it. There are other gangs that are probably just waiting to see how this plays out, while obviously going about their day to day crime.

pablo128 wrote: »

There are plenty more crews around. Some I'm sure are still under the radar. There's eastern Europeans, travellers, and our own natives at it.

The way I understand it, the Hutch v Kinahan/Byrne feud involves people primarily based in the south-west inner city and the north-east inner city, with many of the Kinahan aligned folks hailing from Dublins 8 and 12, and from what I've seen most of the Hutch aligned folks hailing from Dublins 1 and 3 (possibly including a small part of Dublin 7 as well, but my hunch is that any gang related activity this area is unconnected?)

This leave vast swathes of both the city centre and the greater Dublin area without any tangible connections to this, and yet there's obviously still organised crime in most areas. The North Co. Dublin feud in Finglas seems to be almost entirely unrelated to the Hutch-Kinahan/Byrne feud, and there seems to be a fair amount of activity in parts of Cabra and Darndale as well which has no connection.

I think the reason this one seems so all-encompassing is that the main players involved are fairly well known in general chit chat whereas some of the other groups wouldn't be - The Monk and Christy Snr are very famous well outside their immediate social circle thanks to their previous activities and the media coverage thereof, and on top of this, the communities they operate in are old Dublin communities with a lot of people who know eachother by only one or two degrees of separation. The gigantic turnout for David Byrne's funeral is evidence of that - several hundred people at least.

Both Crumlin and Dublin 1 have a very "village" feel to them in terms of neighbours knowing eachother and there being local gossip and grapevines. Not every part of Dublin has this type of socialising among neighbours - a lot of newer ones would be described as "soulless" by people from older ones on the grounds that many people who move to them stick almost exclusively with their existing social circle and there isn't that much socialising between neighbours, etc. It's a criticism you see very often of new planned developments. This is pretty much the opposite of what many of these older communities established in the mid-20th century are like, which is one of the reasons this kind of thing resonates a bit more - I'm from a fairly posh part of South Co. Dublin, went to a private school in Dublin 4 and even I'm sometimes amazed at how few degrees of separation there are between myself and some of the people involved in the big feud.

To put this another way, I know people living in Crumlin and I know people living near Mountjoy Square, sometimes families who are only there one generation and sometimes even people my own age who've moved there from outside the city to start families. Compared with people I know who would live in some newer communities and developments, the level to which they know who's who and would know many of the locals to say hello to on the street is worlds apart - in newer developments, I honestly know a lot of folks who'd struggle to remember peoples' named beyond their immediate next door neighbours.

It's simultaneously one of the reasons this kind of feuding is so depressing and also probably why other feuds don't blow up in the way that this one has - these are very old communities which are having their residents' lives torn apart by death and fear (regardless of what some will say the actual criminals are still a small minority and their neighbours and friends really don't deserve to have their lives f*cked up like this), and also they're not being replaced because newer communities don't seem to develop the same level of socialising. So we probably won't see as many feuds like this in the future, but that'll be symptomatic of the dying off of old communities where everyone knows everyone, to be replaced by newer ones where most people is in more of a social "bubble". So if someone gets shot in a brand new development from the Celtic Tiger era or subsequent, the area itself doesn't descend into chaos because there's not as much of a connection with neighbours. It's much easier for a local feud to erupt into something much bigger if a shooting victim has a hundred close friends living in the same neighbourhood who are angered and heartbroken by what's happened - it only takes a handful of them with fewer scruples than most to get together and decide to take revenge. And when it does, it's more personal than in a more modern one - it very rapidly stops being "your mates ripped us off" to "your mates killed my best friend from when we were kids, I won't rest until every one of you is in the ground".

Despite how awful it must be to live in the former type of community when something like this kicks off, living in the latter type sounds incredibly bleak to me.