Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Rows Grower · 24-02-2019 11:55AM

El_Bee wrote: »

Why him and no one else though?

You asked what was the harshest.

I answered you and now you want me to answer why there is only one harshest?

Really?

El_Bee · 24-02-2019 12:32PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

You asked what was the harshest.

I answered you and now you want me to answer why there is only one harshest?

Really?

I meant to ask why are sentences like this so rare.

hunter164 · 24-02-2019 12:56PM

El_Bee wrote: »

I meant to ask why are sentences like this so rare.

It’s because he got locked up for killing a darling of the media and not an ordinary joe soap.

GinAndBitter · 24-02-2019 07:49PM

These African gangs terrorising parts of Dublin are very much real and not some far right fantasy.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gsoc-to-probe-gardas-alleged-racist-language-rbmk78nvh

ohnonotgmail · 24-02-2019 08:05PM

El_Bee wrote: »

I meant to ask why are sentences like this so rare.

they're not. the average sentence for "life" sentence prisoners is 22 years.

Dante7 · 24-02-2019 08:55PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they're not. the average sentence for "life" sentence prisoners is 22 years.

The poster has a legitimate query as to why some life sentences are longer than others. Not too long ago the average life sentence was only 14 years.

There are a lot of reasons, but certain crimes are viewed as an attack on the very fabric of our society and will always attract very harsh sentences. Murdering a Garda, for example will nearly always get a much longer life sentence. The murder of Veronica Guerin was also an attack against our civilization and that is why Brian Meehan will serve a very long time. It's also why Gilligan got such a long sentence for his cannabis crime.

El_Bee · 24-02-2019 09:18PM

Dante7 wrote: »

The poster has a legitimate query as to why some life sentences are longer than others. Not too long ago the average life sentence was only 14 years.

There are a lot of reasons, but certain crimes are viewed as an attack on the very fabric of our society and will always attract very harsh sentences. Murdering a Garda, for example will nearly always get a much longer life sentence. The murder of Veronica Guerin was also an attack against our civilization and that is why Brian Meehan will serve a very long time. It's also why Gilligan got such a long sentence for his cannabis crime.

Whether it's just me or not but I feel this sends the message that some lives are weighed more heavily than others, I mean that guy in coolock who was shot a few weeks back, if his killers are caught will they get the same, and if not does that mean his life means less to society than a gardai or journalist?

ohnonotgmail · 24-02-2019 09:30PM

Dante7 wrote: »

The poster has a legitimate query as to why some life sentences are longer than others. Not too long ago the average life sentence was only 14 years.

There are a lot of reasons, but certain crimes are viewed as an attack on the very fabric of our society and will always attract very harsh sentences. Murdering a Garda, for example will nearly always get a much longer life sentence. The murder of Veronica Guerin was also an attack against our civilization and that is why Brian Meehan will serve a very long time. It's also why Gilligan got such a long sentence for his cannabis crime.

The poster was under the misapprehension that such long sentences are rare. they are not.

Dante7 · 24-02-2019 09:32PM

El_Bee wrote: »

Whether it's just me or not but I feel this sends the message that some lives are weighed more heavily than others, I mean that guy in coolock who was shot a few weeks back, if his killers are caught will they get the same, and if not does that mean his life means less to society than a gardai or journalist?

That's just the way it is, and modern society has deemed it so. Certain crimes will always attract higher tariffs due to their impact or threat to society at large. Fraud and counterfeiting always attract a higher sentence due to the underlying threat of destabilising the economy. Murder of a Judge or law enforcement official or treason always carry the highest sentences and until recently carried the death penalty.

Wrt the man in Dardale who was murdered, I would expect a very rigourous investigation into that case and for the culprits to be caught and to receive a very long sentence.

GinAndBitter · 24-02-2019 10:56PM

https://twitter.com/AltviewIreland/status/1099754495909744641?s=19

Spar in Finnstown.

jay0109 · 24-02-2019 11:11PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

These African gangs terrorising parts of Dublin are very much real and not some far right fantasy.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gsoc-to-probe-gardas-alleged-racist-language-rbmk78nvh

And GSOC aregoing to waste their time and that of the Gardai looking into what 1 Garda said at a conference!
Joke

SKILFUL · 24-02-2019 11:15PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AltviewIreland/status/1099754495909744641?s=19

If irish people were not so racist these children would not have to borrow food to feed there starving children

24-02-2019 11:29PM

SKILFUL wrote: »

If irish people were not so racist these children would not have to borrow food to feed there starving children

It's honestly hard to know if this is sarcastic or not nowadays.

The Enbalmer · 25-02-2019 09:16AM

Dante7 wrote:

Wrt the man in Dardale who was murdered, I would expect a very rigourous investigation into that case and for the culprits to be caught and to receive a very long sentence.

Would you,indeed?

Rows Grower · 25-02-2019 09:26AM

Dante7 wrote: »

The poster has a legitimate query as to why some life sentences are longer than others. Not too long ago the average life sentence was only 14 years.

There are a lot of reasons, but certain crimes are viewed as an attack on the very fabric of our society and will always attract very harsh sentences. Murdering a Garda, for example will nearly always get a much longer life sentence. The murder of Veronica Guerin was also an attack against our civilization and that is why Brian Meehan will serve a very long time. It's also why Gilligan got such a long sentence for his cannabis crime.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/life-sentence-prisoners-served-on-average-18-years-before-being-released-1.3651950

realdanbreen · 25-02-2019 01:00PM

I see the Indo is reporting that Zach Parker had about €25k in his bank accounts.
Seem odd then that he would be shot dead over a 50k drugs debt. Unless of course you have the more likely explanation which is the papers hadn't a clue why he was shot and dreamed up the 50k debt or the indo haven't a clue how much is in his bank account.

Suckit · 25-02-2019 02:06PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see the Indo is reporting that Zach Parker had about €25k in his bank accounts.
Seem odd then that he would be shot dead over a 50k drugs debt. Unless of course you have the more likely explanation which is the papers hadn't a clue why he was shot and dreamed up the 50k debt or the indo haven't a clue how much is in his bank account.

Definitely BS.
I've heard a few unpleasant stories about him since, threw his weight around a bit on younger lads etc.
Not sure anyone believes the debt. Most reckon it was the fact that others eyes were opened to how lucrative his 'turf' was, and no need for him.
If he needed €50k fearing for his life, I'm sure he would have got his hands on it quickly enough.

TeaBagMania · 25-02-2019 02:26PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AltviewIreland/status/1099754495909744641?s=19

Spar in Finnstown.

If there was no description regarding location i would have put my money on that being Detroit

El_Bee · 25-02-2019 02:54PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see the Indo is reporting that Zach Parker had about €25k in his bank accounts.
Seem odd then that he would be shot dead over a 50k drugs debt. Unless of course you have the more likely explanation which is the papers hadn't a clue why he was shot and dreamed up the 50k debt or the indo haven't a clue how much is in his bank account.

Part of the "good boy at heart, quiet young man" story they pushed too, amazing how these people are eulogized, like the mother of that guy outside the courts last week, holding up pictures of him and proclaiming his innocence when everyone knows he was a violent drug dealer.

GinAndBitter · 25-02-2019 03:02PM

TeaBagMania wrote: »

If there was no description regarding location i would have put my money on that being Detroit

It may aswell be in Detroit as far as some people are concerned as they are so far out of touch with reality on this subject.

hankless · 25-02-2019 03:23PM

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine the family's grief at losing their loved one. I'm sure they go through all kinds of hardships coming to terms with their son's lifestyle before death.

They are innocent of all crimes and entitled to eulogize their loss if it helps them with their grief. Others are entitled not to believe it, or scoff. But the family themselves should be respected.

GinAndBitter · 25-02-2019 03:25PM

hankless wrote: »

I understand what you're saying but I can't imagine the family's grief at losing their loved one. I'm sure they go through all kinds of hardships coming to terms with their son's lifestyle before death.

They are innocent of all crimes and entitled to eulogize their loss if it helps them with their grief. Others are entitled not to believe it, or scoff. But the family themselves should be respected.

The whole family are scum.

hankless · 25-02-2019 03:28PM

I was referring to all families of deceased gangland deaths. They're not all scum.

Gadgetman496 · 25-02-2019 03:36PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

The whole family are scum.

The mother said in one report I read that PH is not in danger from them

GinAndBitter · 25-02-2019 03:40PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

The mother said in one report I read that PH is not in danger from them

She also said she felt sorry for the hutch family. I heard Gerry was slipping her one years ago, don't know how true it is, she was a looker in her day you wouldn't think it.

El_Bee · 25-02-2019 03:47PM

hankless wrote: »

I was referring to all families of deceased gangland deaths. They're not all scum.

The families are well aware of their activities and reap the benefits of it, very common to see women on social welfare driving 30k jeeps around and buying their kids motorbikes, children allowance doesn't stretch that far.

marieholmfan · 25-02-2019 03:50PM

Dante7 wrote: »

The poster has a legitimate query as to why some life sentences are longer than others. Not too long ago the average life sentence was only 14 years.

There are a lot of reasons, but certain crimes are viewed as an attack on the very fabric of our society and will always attract very harsh sentences. Murdering a Garda, for example will nearly always get a much longer life sentence. The murder of Veronica Guerin was also an attack against our civilization and that is why Brian Meehan will serve a very long time. It's also why Gilligan got such a long sentence for his cannabis crime.

Ad hoc law.

Gadgetman496 · 25-02-2019 05:09PM

The officer in charge of investigating the Hutch Kinahan feud has said the gardaí are continuing to actively prevent any potential escalation in violence following last week’s acquittal of Patrick Hutch.

The 26-year-old left the Special Criminal Court as a free man after charges of murder and other offences in relation to the shooting of David Byrne at the Regency Hotel three years ago were dropped.

Assistant Commissioner John O'Driscoll said today armed patrols and checkpoints were being maintained in Dublin's north inner city and static protection posts were also in place.

He also stressed that gardaí investigating the feud had so far intervened and saved lives in 59 incidents, seized over 90 firearms including machine guns, and seized over €150 million worth of drugs as well as over €8m in cash.

Mr O'Driscoll also said that people considered potential targets of criminal gangs had been given security advice but many have ignored garda warnings and continue to engage in dangerous and criminal activity.

Over 400 people, including Patrick Hutch, have been warned their lives were in danger.

https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2019/0225/1032716-hutch-kinahan-fued/

El_Bee · 25-02-2019 06:21PM

the conditions for this fued to end will leave one dominant gang in Dublin right?

Billy86 · 25-02-2019 06:39PM

So, what happened in the Spar? There is a video of 10-12 young black lads entering the front door, but that's about it. Google isn't coming up with much of anything.

Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

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