Random Wrestling Thoughts (Part 2)

castletownman · 16-09-2020 12:16am

Its amazing how perceptions change.

Was reminiscing about the Attitude Era earlier and in particular how sexualised the Divas were back then compared to now. I said that I always loved Trish Stratus, Torrie Wilson and later Candice Michelle (babes) and I thought that Stacey Kiebler was a plain Jane in comparison.

Now looking back, Kiebler is by far the most naturally prettiest (and has aged better) and I would be far more drawn to the likes of her today.

Its amazing what draws the attention of a teenage lad I suppose

PTH2009 · 16-09-2020 12:18am

castletownman wrote: »

Its amazing how perceptions change.

Was reminiscing about the Attitude Era earlier and in particular how sexualised the Divas were back then compared to now. I said that I always loved Trish Stratus, Torrie Wilson and later Candice Michelle (babes) and I thought that Stacey Kiebler was a plain Jane in comparison.

Now looking back, Kiebler is by far the most naturally prettiest (and has aged better) and I would be far more drawn to the likes of her today.

Its amazing what draws the attention of a teenage lad I suppose

they all still look very good

Mandy Rose is diva of 2020

Smacruairi · 16-09-2020 8:10am

castletownman wrote: »

Its amazing how perceptions change.

Was reminiscing about the Attitude Era earlier and in particular how sexualised the Divas were back then compared to now. I said that I always loved Trish Stratus, Torrie Wilson and later Candice Michelle (babes) and I thought that Stacey Kiebler was a plain Jane in comparison.

Now looking back, Kiebler is by far the most naturally prettiest (and has aged better) and I would be far more drawn to the likes of her today.

Its amazing what draws the attention of a teenage lad I suppose

Keibler was always #1 for young me to be fair. Though I'll agree that the era made me think that all women did sports in lacey thongs. How wrong was I.

B.A._Baracus · 16-09-2020 11:31am

castletownman wrote: »

Its amazing how perceptions change.

Was reminiscing about the Attitude Era earlier and in particular how sexualised the Divas were back then compared to now. I said that I always loved Trish Stratus, Torrie Wilson and later Candice Michelle (babes) and I thought that Stacey Kiebler was a plain Jane in comparison.

Now looking back, Kiebler is by far the most naturally prettiest (and has aged better) and I would be far more drawn to the likes of her today.

Its amazing what draws the attention of a teenage lad I suppose

I know what you mean... Except Stacey was always stunning LETS BURN HIM AT THE STAKE LADS... GET HIM!! :pac:

but to be serious you are right our opinions change

I thought Madusa in WCW (1999) was an old woman back then but she was only 35 at the time. If you go back and look at her pics back then.. oh my. Oh my indeed

Wuff Wuff · 16-09-2020 11:59am

Read the room lads, we cant talk about Diva's anymore

Agent Coulson · 16-09-2020 4:07pm

Just thinking today how does Impact make money.

The US TV deal can't be big in any way shape of form.

PPV revenue can't be big.

No live events.

Lots of Talent on somewhat decent money you would expect.

International TV money and the Steaming Site wouldn't be enough would it?

sky88 · 16-09-2020 4:20pm

dont impact owners own the tv channel there on as well so its prob no revenue

Agent Coulson · 16-09-2020 5:18pm

They may own the channels but its lose making then why would they take that kind of hit.

Cherry_Cola · 16-09-2020 7:43pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Just thinking today how does Impact make money.

The US TV deal can't be big in any way shape of form.

PPV revenue can't be big.

No live events.

Lots of Talent on somewhat decent money you would expect.

International TV money and the Steaming Site wouldn't be enough would it?

I have AXS here too and the channel is utter ****e. Just old band documentaries and stuff so would love to see their demo figures haha.

J. Marston · 16-09-2020 8:09pm

Moves don't even mean anything anymore...

https://gfycat.com/cautiousalivealaskanmalamute

Throwing a guy literally 10 feet in the air and uppercutting his jaw off. Regular kickout at 2. Nonsense.

PTH2009 wrote: »

they all still look very good

Mandy Rose is diva of 2020

You spelt Lacey Evans wrong!

CastorTroy · 16-09-2020 8:20pm

J. Marston wrote: »

Moves don't even mean anything anymore...

https://gfycat.com/cautiousalivealaskanmalamute

Throwing a guy literally 10 feet in the air and uppercutting his jaw off. Regular kickout at 2. Nonsense.

Speaking of throwing someone in the air, how does Cedric Alexander's Lumbar Check work? I watched him do it on Ricochet and Rick didn't seem to help when propelling up. Not to mention it just looks like it'd be painful on Cedric's legs

B.A._Baracus · 16-09-2020 10:06pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Just thinking today how does Impact make money.

The US TV deal can't be big in any way shape of form.

PPV revenue can't be big.

No live events.

Lots of Talent on somewhat decent money you would expect.

International TV money and the Steaming Site wouldn't be enough would it?

I have no idea myself. Impact is shown in the UK every Friday night (technically Saturday morning) at 1:50am. No way that's pulling in an audience but for some die hard fans.

3 years ago it was shown at 9pm on Fridays then the timeslot kept slipping and slipping. Hardly anyone has to be watching it.

hynesie08 · 16-09-2020 11:16pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

Speaking of throwing someone in the air, how does Cedric Alexander's Lumbar Check work? I watched him do it on Ricochet and Rick didn't seem to help when propelling up. Not to mention it just looks like it'd be painful on Cedric's legs

It's all about weight placement, you get the guys shoulder blades across your shins, he also guides the guy using the arm that's across his chest, so he's never not in control.

J. Marston · 17-09-2020 12:45am

Enzo is such a waste of talent.

Couldn't wrestle worth a toss but he was just effortless on the mic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsaoUHT1Pbg

So many fantastic putdowns.

"Karl Anderson, you are like Times New Roman font; You are as generic as they come."

"Devon, I got the gift of gab and the gift of jab and I'll put that lazy eye right back to work."

"Check your watch, Neville. Know what time it is? It's the main event of Raw and in the 9 months you held this title you never even sniffed this hour."

Itssoeasy · 17-09-2020 9:30pm

Seeing as a few posts before this there was a discussion and Trish stratus was mentioned. She retired initially 14 years ago tonight by winning the wwe women’s title against lita at unforgiven 2006 in Toronto. I rewatched the event last weekend and it was great mostly.

PopePalpatine · 17-09-2020 9:47pm

I still remember Big Show taking pride of place on the WWE website the day after.

B.A._Baracus · 18-09-2020 10:05am

Just read that she would have been 29 years old when she initially retired as well. Very young.

Furious-Red · 18-09-2020 11:49am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Just read that she would have been 29 years old when she initially retired as well. Very young.

Its amazing how quickly she evolved within those 6 years

Blue_Dabadee · 18-09-2020 12:09pm

That is the thing with women in wrestling is to retire at early age and have a life outside wrestling bubble.

The reason why first ever Women's Royal Rumble worked very well because some of them can still go in the ring.

gerrybbadd · 18-09-2020 12:18pm

Started watching a series on Youtube about the Monday Night Wars. Channel is called Wrestling Bios, and it's very, very good. Highly recommended.

The lad doing it sounds like he's from NI, but he's got a great voice for it!

Anyhow, he has a very entertaining series looking at Wrestlers' careers in certain periods, such as British Bulldog's 1993. Jesus WCW should have pulled the trigger on Davey when he was facing off against Vader.

Itssoeasy · 18-09-2020 9:14pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Just read that she would have been 29 years old when she initially retired as well. Very young.

I know she’s in in her forties now so yeah 29 sounds right. I mean it was a short run but what a run it was for Trish stratus. I know the end of her first run was just under a decade before the women’s revolution but I think Trish did more to dispel the notion of the stereotype of fitness models couldn’t wrestle.

Itssoeasy · 19-09-2020 2:08pm

Just watching the September 18th, 2000 episode of raw(and last on USA network for a few years) and in the opening segment triple h and mick foley as subtle as a sledgehammer imply that kurt angle is gay because he just wants to be Stephanie's friend.

PopePalpatine · 19-09-2020 3:04pm

That has me thinking, when are we going to get an AEW/WWE angle centred around OnlyFans-esque content? :pac:

Itssoeasy · 19-09-2020 3:45pm

Ah the right to censor a great bunch of lads. You had stevie Richards, the godfather, val venis, and bull Buchanan. Not a bad group of talent.

sky88 · 19-09-2020 3:51pm

Was watching an old clash of champions Jesus sting was just so over he was barley doing anything but had the crowd going crazy

B.A._Baracus · 20-09-2020 12:17am

sky88 wrote: »

Was watching an old clash of champions Jesus sting was just so over he was barley doing anything but had the crowd going crazy

Yeah Sting was crazy over back in the day. He was the Hulk Hogan of WCW before Hogan joined.

Funny you should mention Sting not doing much because if people go back and watch Sting he was always basic. That's not to imply he was terrible he was just never a work horse. But the same could be said about Hogan and the Warrior at the time too. They never needed to be.
They just printed money.

sky88 · 20-09-2020 12:22am

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Yeah Sting was crazy over back in the day. He was the Hulk Hogan of WCW before Hogan joined.

Funny you should mention Sting not doing much because if people go back and watch Sting he was always basic. That's not to imply he was terrible he was just never a work horse. But the same could be said about Hogan and the Warrior at the time too. They never needed to be.
They just printed money.

I love sting he’s one of my favourites but it’s definitely something lost in this era we’re I think for the most part wrestlers gave to do a lot more to be perceived as good wrestlers

Sometimes that connection with the fans happen regardless of talent level

B.A._Baracus · 20-09-2020 12:40am

sky88 wrote: »

I love sting he’s one of my favourites but it’s definitely something lost in this era we’re I think for the most part wrestlers gave to do a lot more to be perceived as good wrestlers

Sometimes that connection with the fans happen regardless of talent level

Absolutely.
Being "good" in the ring doesn't mean much if other aspects are missing. It's about the little things that come together. That's gone from wrestling today.

Like I could load up some match from the 80s WWF and be so entertained. Not saying every match. But that level of working is gone.
Sure I watched Honky Tonk Man going against Koko B Ware a while back and everything they did was not only basic but amazing and the crowd was on fire.

Today's wrestling is about a million moves a minute. Even reversal after reversal as well. A showcase of how athletic a wrestler can be.
What about telling a story? The highs .... The lows. Slowing it down. Bringing it back up.

It's definitely a lost art.

Itssoeasy · 20-09-2020 1:34am

Just to add to this debate I think for all the amazing athletic stuff today’s wrestlers can do(and yes they are far more athletic across the board than previous generations) the amazing athleticism has come at the expense of the basic fundamentals of pro wresting for over a century. Moves used to have time to register with an audience where as now it’s a move because they can not because they should. It’s an issue I have with wrestling today. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should do it in a match. The basic fundamentals of pro wrestling from a century ago are still valid if updated. If I want to watch a gymnastics routine I’ll watch the Olympics.

B.A._Baracus · 20-09-2020 2:09am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Just to add to this debate I think for all the amazing athletic stuff today’s wrestlers can do(and yes they are far more athletic across the board than previous generations) the amazing athleticism has come at the expense of the basic fundamentals of pro wresting for over a century. Moves used to have time to register with an audience where as now it’s a move because they can not because they should. It’s an issue I have with wrestling today. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should do it in a match. The basic fundamentals of pro wrestling from a century ago are still valid if updated. If I want to watch a gymnastics routine I’ll watch the Olympics.

I absolutely agree.

Itssoeasy · 20-09-2020 1:28pm

And thankfully it doesn’t happen here which is why I post here but in other parts of the wrestling internet when you say old school fundamentals, it nearly always is taken as meaning old school wrestling and all the unsavoury things that come with it. The revival are a perfect example of how to blend old school wrestling but through a modern lens.

Smacruairi · 20-09-2020 9:04pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And thankfully it doesn’t happen here which is why I post here but in other parts of the wrestling internet when you say old school fundamentals, it nearly always is taken as meaning old school wrestling and all the unsavoury things that come with it. The revival are a perfect example of how to blend old school wrestling but through a modern lens.

Doesn't even have to be old old school. Though I don't really have a big thing for the revival, their mantra of no flips just fists was excellent. I loathe the dive over the top rope now. Mainly because I'm conditioned by wwe to expect an ad break, but also because it is everything that is numbing about the current product. Wrestling should have, you know, wrestling at its core, not a jumps and strikes that are swatted away after 5mins....imo!

Sirsok · 22-09-2020 9:19pm

Vader would of been awesome in ECW.

Apparently he held discussion after leaving WCW for a few dates, but Heyman wanted him to lose to Taz. Probably like a Bam Bam situation. Would of been awesome.

Also just flund out Bam Bam and Vader teamed in Japan. Im gonna seek out some of those matches

ThePott · 22-09-2020 9:22pm

Random thought, if The Shield had debuted with the names T-Bar, Slapjack and Mace.
How would they have fared? The same or worse?

Loughc · 22-09-2020 9:37pm

ThePott wrote: »

Random thought, if The Shield had debuted with the names T-Bar, Slapjack and Mace.
How would they have fared? The same or worse?

They would have tanked. Could you imagine if Reigns was called T-Bar. T-Bar with the spear.

Puuuuuuuke.

Sirsok · 22-09-2020 9:42pm

Loughc wrote: »

They would have tanked. Could you imagine if Reigns was called T-Bar. T-Bar with the spear.

Puuuuuuuke.

I konda like it, harpens back to the good old days where guys are called Hawk, Animal, Ultinate Warriot, Sgt Slaughter, Axe and Smash.

I know we are in a reality era but a double name thats inevitably shortened down doesnt always have to be the go to thing. I cant really remember the last guy WWE gave a "nickname" to, besides richochet who allready had that name.

CastorTroy · 22-09-2020 10:14pm

When this whole Retribution thing runs its course, which looks like it won't be long, it'll be a weird name when not wearing the mask. Not saying it's an okay name now, but Slapjack sounds like a jobber name for anyone without a mask.
Now I wonder what the women's names will be, when we obviously know their real names.

It wouldn't be so bad if NXT was still a network exclusive,but it airs 2 nights after Raw on the same channel

ThePott · 22-09-2020 10:29pm

I do agree it definitely calls back to old-school wrestling, especially from the 80s.
Yeah, think the Shield would have been roundly mocked with those names as an aside.

It is incredibly odd, especially considering how recognisable some of the people are. I did like the idea that these would be almost nicknames so like Shane "Slapjack" Thorne, or Slapjack Shane Thorne. Even if it does make them sound corny and like jobbers. I think it's the closest you can come to saving them. The handling of this angle in general has been so strange.

Sirsok · 22-09-2020 11:30pm

We need names like Barron Blade and Buzz!

I just recently got ps now that allows 2k19 to be downloaded....

All though cheesy the video game writing storyline is much better then anything in recemt years

gerrybbadd · 23-09-2020 11:30am

Sirsok wrote: »

We need names like Barron Blade and Buzz!

I just recently got ps now that allows 2k19 to be downloaded....

All though cheesy the video game writing storyline is much better then anything in recemt years

Buzz is a legend and I won't hear of anything else!

beakerjoe · 23-09-2020 6:04pm

Angle itself was a half baked idea, produced to generate ratings in the short term. It was an idea that was maybe 20 percent complete when it was announced.

The execution has been poor every step.

Announcing the debut of the group before they even showed up. A ratings grab that wasnt thought through.

Not knowing who were in the group initially.

The nonsensical attacks. How did they keep getting in.

So they attack repeatedly. Then they get hired randomly.

They get hired to contracts, despite their rationale for attacking is greed. Makes no sense.

The names.... the masks.... the promos. Garbage.

Having a heel team take them on. No sense.

So all in all, they have been a distaster. I cant see this faction lasting. If it does, its out if stubborness rather than the angke being good for business.

Riddle101 · 23-09-2020 7:17pm

When I saw Hurt Business come out to confront them last week I just thought how crap Retributuion looked in comparison. They should push Hurt Business as the dominant stable instead and get rid of Retribution because if people are laughing at them within their own company then that's a sign how bad things are.

I feel sorry for the wrestlers involved with it though. I'm sure they all thought this was a great opportunity for them and were excited to be part of it but I think it will be worse for them above all else. Unless they somehow manage to turn things around and actually get over I don't think it will work out for them.

Agent Coulson · 23-09-2020 8:23pm

I hope they haven't however I think they have killed The Hurt Business before they had a chance to really get over.

It's the best looking stable the WWE have put together a long long long time and deserves more than it's getting right now.

Lithium93_ · 23-09-2020 8:27pm

Whoever Slapjack is, WWE Creative clearly didn't think to search for it on Urban Dictionary first.

Agent Coulson · 23-09-2020 8:43pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Whoever Slapjack is, WWE Creative clearly didn't think to search for it on Urban Dictionary first.

Is that Joey Ryan's secrets finisher.

CastorTroy · 23-09-2020 8:58pm

Can't say I heard that term before. Safe to say I never had to look up the word for it.

And now they have twitter with WWE in their names, as all those rebelling against companies tend to do

Agent Coulson · 23-09-2020 9:42pm

How long before a non WWE wrestling company has a World Title cage match with a glass ceiling on the cage for a ex WWE guy to break through and win.

Loughc · 23-09-2020 9:55pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I hope they haven't however I think they have killed The Hurt Business before they had a chance to really get over.

It's the best looking stable the WWE have put together a long long long time and deserves more than it's getting right now.

I thought the opposite. I thought they’ve actually made The Hurt Business look bad ass over the past few weeks. They’ve stepped up to fight Mace, Spar and Centra when others haven’t or have and failed.

And the suits are class.

Sirsok · 23-09-2020 10:15pm

Loughc wrote: »

They’ve stepped up to fight Mace, Spar and Centra

My favourite thing ever on boards

Itssoeasy · 23-09-2020 10:16pm

Joey Janella seem to have decided to use the name new midnight express as a tag team name with Sonny kiss. Haha I know it’s probably a joke but I’d love to see them actually use this on AEW and get sued because cornette , condrey, Eaton, and lane own the trademark to the name midnight express. And I assume that the wwe would have an issue with new midnight express seeing as they used it in the late 1990’s.

Random Wrestling Thoughts (Part 2)

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