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Hairdresser looking for 50% deposit before appointment.

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  • #202
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    It not about working in a salon its about seeing oppertunities when they arise, on average a cut and culor cost anthing upto 100 euro could be mistaken maybe a little less/more. Average womens haircut 50-60 euro, work it out , do the maths, i would say it is a very viable business

    As a nixer, on your days off. Having people call to your house. Not as a full time job.


  • #203
    HBC08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭HBC08


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    It not about working in a salon its about seeing oppertunities when they arise, on average a cut and culor cost anthing upto 100 euro could be mistaken maybe a little less/more. Average womens haircut 50-60 euro, work it out , do the maths, i would say it is a very viable business

    Tell us more about your three imaginary businesses...


  • #204
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    It not about working in a salon its about seeing oppertunities when they arise, on average a cut and culor cost anthing upto 100 euro could be mistaken maybe a little less/more. Average womens haircut 50-60 euro, work it out , do the maths, i would say it is a very viable business

    you do the maths and get back to us.
    putting a car or van under you and tax, insurance, fuel etc is a good fw thousand before you start to cover the other overheads


  • #205
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    @HBC08 and thats why you will be working until you 65


  • #206
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Some people appear to be confusing a business with a freelance job.


  • #207
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    Or maybe you dont work could be wrong but dont thing si


  • #208
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    @Graham, its called self employed, get you wording correct, anymore negative comments


  • #209
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    @sleeper12 when were you in a barbers that was busy 12hours a day 7days a week

    That's true, but when do most people go to the barbers? It's at lunchtime, after work, weekends, basically times that suit them. If the barbershop already has capacity reduced and can't allow more than one or two to wait, they'll inevitably have to turn away business or hope that people will be willing to queue outside, socially distanced of course, for a protracted period of time. As everyone else returns to work they won't be in a position to go for a haircut at 11am on a Wednesday.


  • #210
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    Nailer only 3 months ago were you enquiring about state benefits for both an unemployed husband and wife, so with all due respect, stop it. You’re entitled to your opinion without resorting to belittle people who might be working up until retirement age.


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  • #211
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Would have no problem paying a deposit but if they jack up prices to cover the cost of PPE that’s a different story


  • #212
    HBC08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭HBC08


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    @HBC08 and thats why you will be working until you 65

    I don't understand the point youre trying to make above.

    I work full time for a care company and also run a side business in the tourist sector (it's 50/50 whether we survive this year or not but I'm more optimistic after the recent government announcements)

    Anyway,thats me,now back to your three businesses?


  • #213
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    Can you not ask a questions, all ive herd here especially from a few people are very negative comments, putting obsticals up when tbere us none, thanks for reading through some comments i made before but tbat will not te yoy anything about what i do, any more questions


  • #214
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Would have no problem paying a deposit but if they jack up prices to cover the cost of PPE that’s a different story

    Who's going to pay for the PPE?


  • #215
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    @HBC08, if you do run a business part time then you should have an inkling for oppertunities when they arrise weather for you or not but you should be abld to see other oppertunities and do out business ans


  • #216
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    @Graham you only coming across as negative person, have you anything interesting to say.


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  • #217
    HBC08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭HBC08


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    @HBC08, if you do run a business part time then you should have an inkling for oppertunities when they arrise weather for you or not but you should be abld to see other oppertunities and do out business ans

    I couldn't read most of that,I assume as the evening goes on youre getting more drunk.


  • #218
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    @HBC08, i dont drink, not sure about you,


  • #219
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    The only word that was missplet was the last word, do i really need to spell it out


  • #220
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    The only word that was missplet was the last word, do i really need to spell it out
    Well given we have to read it, yes.


  • #221
    HBC08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭HBC08


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    @HBC08, i dont drink, not sure about you,

    I'm genuinely interested,
    Can you tell us about the three businesses?
    Obviously you don't have to and I won't ask again but you're coming across as a bit of a spoofer.


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  • #222
    HBC08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭HBC08


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    The only word that was missplet was the last word, do i really need to spell it out

    oppertunities
    arrise
    weather
    abld
    oppertunies (again)
    ans

    I'm being pedantic now but lol!


  • #223
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    Can you read it or do you want me to write it again


  • #224
    nailer54321
    Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭nailer54321


    @HBC08, if you can tell me why im coming across as a spoofer i might indulge you a little, please explane


  • #225
    HBC08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,531 ✭✭✭HBC08


    nailer54321 wrote: »
    @HBC08, if you can tell me why im coming across as a spoofer i might indulge you a little, please explane

    Ah ok,spoofer it is so.


  • #226
    Twee.
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,722 Mod ✭✭✭✭Twee.


    Cut the sniping and petty back & forth, it's not adding to the discussion.


  • #227
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    nailer54321 wrote:
    And delivery companies waste so much time do there deliveries, god, more obsticals, use your imagination, do the maths and you will find there is probable more profits for an individual do this than working in a salon,


    Delivery companies charge a delivery fee. So it's OK for the mobile barber to charge a delivery fee but not a covid fee in the salon that pays rent, rates, insurance etc?

    You really are just making this up as you go alone aren't you? Honestly I don't see you retitled by mid 40s. Unemployed maybe but not retired


  • #228
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Graham wrote:
    for each member of staff


    What nailer is taking about is someone on the dole doing nixers for cash. Obviously no one could pay commercial car insurance, business insurance, vat & taxes and still be cheaper than the salon. Hell you have to be paid for the travel time too. All other tradespeople charge 70 call out fee but nailer thinks hairdressers won't need to charge this fee. His barber is going to spend 30 minutes travelling to him and still charge less than a barber shop.

    Walter Mitty springs to mind reading some comments on the thread


  • #229
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    maybe someone can educate me on women's hair dos. my experience is fairly thin on the ground.
    my local hair dresser is unisex. anytime i go in there are usually a few women in at various stages of renovation and various levels of scaffolding and form work being installed. she has a few women being worked on at time . im usually just sloted in when ever posible for a quick sheer and im gone.

    if you were to do one persons hair in their own home or even one at a time in a salon it would involve a lot of sitting around for stuff to work . surely the amount of customers dealt with must go down a lot


  • #230
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    maybe someone can educate me on women's hair dos. my experience is fairly thin on the ground.
    my local hair dresser is unisex. anytime i go in there are usually a few women in at various stages of renovation and various levels of scaffolding and form work being installed. she has a few women being worked on at time . im usually just sloted in when ever posible for a quick sheer and im gone.

    if you were to do one persons hair in their own home or even one at a time in a salon it would involve a lot of sitting around for stuff to work . surely the amount of customers dealt with must go down a lot
    I’m not a hair dresser but my understanding is they kind of move between clients. While your colour is developing they’ll move to someone else, and they will have different people wash/blowdry your hair and I’d imagine all this will need to stop in a salon after covid


  • #231
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Marc Quick Softball wrote: »
    I’m not a hair dresser but my understanding is they kind of move between clients. While your colour is developing they’ll move to someone else, and they will have different people wash/blowdry your hair and I’d imagine all this will need to stop in a salon after covid

    im a bit flipnt with my discription but thats what i mean. normally one hairdresser could do a few together but now its only one . turnover will be very badly effected


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  • #232
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    maybe someone can educate me on women's hair dos. my experience is fairly thin on the ground.
    my local hair dresser is unisex. anytime i go in there are usually a few women in at various stages of renovation and various levels of scaffolding and form work being installed. she has a few women being worked on at time . im usually just sloted in when ever posible for a quick sheer and im gone.

    if you were to do one persons hair in their own home or even one at a time in a salon it would involve a lot of sitting around for stuff to work . surely the amount of customers dealt with must go down a lot

    I get extensions, highlights, treatment/toner and a cut and it would be pretty common for me to spend 6 hours sitting in the chair.
    Now obviously the hairdresser can do other customers while my highlights are developing etc but it still means I’m occupying a space for up to 6/7 hours, and with social distancing it’s not like they can put another client next to me and work on her hair while they’re waiting for mine to develop.

    If someone were to offer that kind of service as a mobile/from home type thing then they would only be able to see one or maybe 2 clients at a push per day, which I doubt would be worth their while in the long run.


  • #233
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I get extensions, highlights, treatment/toner and a cut and it would be pretty common for me to spend 6 hours sitting in the chair.
    Now obviously the hairdresser can do other customers while my highlights are developing etc but it still means I’m occupying a space for up to 6/7 hours, and with social distancing it’s not like they can put another client next to me and work on her hair while they’re waiting for mine to develop.

    If someone were to offer that kind of service as a mobile/from home type thing then they would only be able to see one or maybe 2 clients at a push per day, which I doubt would be worth their while in the long run.

    6 hours. holy crap. do you stop for lunch in the middle. 10min max for me . if there is a queue i come back later usually.


  • #234
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    If someone were to offer that kind of service as a mobile/from home type thing then they would only be able to see one or maybe 2 clients at a push per day, which I doubt would be worth their while in the long run.

    +1

    I don't think anyone seriously believes a sudden switch to mobile hairdressing is a realistic solution for most salons.


  • #235
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Graham wrote: »
    +1

    I don't think anyone seriously believes a sudden switch to mobile hairdressing is a realistic solution for most salons.

    if we take susie for an example. how much does her ordeal cost. 150 max so 25euro for each of the 6 hours not including materials. that doesnt cover the overheads of most businesses let alone a mobile one doing several visits to houses a day


  • #236
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    6 hours. holy crap. do you stop for lunch in the middle. 10min max for me . if there is a queue i come back later usually.

    I make sure to have a big breakfast & I bring lots of snacks, they give free cereal bars/chocolate & tea, coffee and bottled water too in case you’re stuck.
    Get up every now and then to stretch the legs & get some air, and I bring my kindle too to pass the time.

    One time there was a scheduling issue and I was sat there for 9 and a half hours. I was ready to just shave it all off at the end of that :pac:

    Because the appointments take so long they can’t really see more than one client per chair per day (bar a Thursday when they do a 12hr day) and the price tag matches that.
    Now they’ll be expected to run at 30% of that capacity but with the same overheads and costs.
    It just isn’t sustainable long term, and going mobile would be even less so.


  • #237
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Maybe 6 hour treatments won't be seen as viable then. Global colour and a cut sounds like the best balance between money made and time taken by a single client. Perhaps they will have to prioritise the more profitable services.


  • #238
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Corey Famous Cowgirl wrote: »
    Maybe 6 hour treatments won't be seen as viable then. Global colour and a cut sounds like the best balance between money made and time taken by a single client. Perhaps they will have to prioritise the more profitable services.

    A lot of salons, mine included, are extension specialist salons. They actually nearly outnumber regular salons these days, it’s such a popular service that almost all salons offer it in some capacity or other.
    If they were to stop doing that then they would lose a massive portion of their customer base and the demand for bonded extensions would get even bigger because there would be less availability.

    If my hairdresser said to me that I could only get my colour done and not my extensions when she reopens I wouldn’t take the appointment and would wait until she was in a position to give full service.
    She has a 12 week waiting list for when the salon opens and her books are closed for the remainder of the year, she isn’t taking on any new clients.

    I don’t really know what the answer is here. I think social distancing protocols are going to bury many businesses across all sectors, not just hairdressers.


  • #239
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Yes, specialist extension salons will obviously keep doing extensions if they can keep afloat. I don't think it's true they outnumber ordinary hair salons though, not by a long way! Yes, salons dropping the service may lose some clients, but if they have to lose some anyway due to social distancing, then they will have to prioritise the most profitable services. Ordinary colour and cut is a far more popular service than extensions, so still a big client base there.


  • #240
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Graham wrote: »
    Who's going to pay for the PPE?

    But again the PPE itself isn't very expensive. Gloves are used anyway in salons and masks can be reused.


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  • #241
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    GT89 wrote: »
    But again the PPE itself isn't very expensive. Gloves are used anyway in salons and masks can be reused.

    there is a lot more to ppe than a box of disposable gloves.
    gowns for both people, perspex sheeting , stickers etc that have to be paid for, all that sanitiser and cleaning fluid used after each person


  • #242
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    GT89 wrote: »
    But again the PPE itself isn't very expensive. Gloves are used anyway in salons and masks can be reused.

    A box of masks were 8.99 are now 49.99


  • #243
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    GT89 wrote: »
    But again the PPE itself isn't very expensive. Gloves are used anyway in salons and masks can be reused.

    I guess much depends on the nature of the PPE that will be needed and how many times (if) it can be re-used.


  • #244
    Salty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭Salty


    I would have absolutely no problem paying a deposit for my appointment. It's like spreading the cost of the appointment :pac: Plus I would never do a "no-show" - complete asshole behaviour except in very exceptional circumstances to be honest. I think deposits should be a normal part of a lots of services.

    Don't mind paying a little extra for PPE as long as it's just to cover the cost. Maybe people could have the option of wearing their own mask?

    I don't colour my hair (yet!) but I badly need a haircut - It's down to my hips at this point. I won't be able to go back to my regular salon unfortunately due to a new job up the country. Heartbroken as I am extremely protective of my hair. Very tempted to get a proper scissors and learn how to just trim it until I can get it cut at home properly during a stint of annual leave or something.


  • #245
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Marc Quick Softball wrote: »
    A box of masks were 8.99 are now 49.99

    But they can be reused


  • #246
    Notdeco
    Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭Notdeco


    GT89 wrote: »
    But they can be reused

    They can't.


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  • #247
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    there is a lot more to ppe than a box of disposable gloves.
    gowns for both people, perspex sheeting , stickers etc that have to be paid for, all that sanitiser and cleaning fluid used after each person

    A good barber/hairdresser will disinfect the equipment in barbacide before each client anyway covid 19 or not. How much is a disposable version of the gown they use I'd imagine not much more than 50c. I don't really see the need for perspex either as the person cutting your hair is going to be in close contact.


  • #248
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Notdeco wrote: »
    They can't.

    Have you been living under a rock? Did you not realise that resuable face masks were a thing.

    https://www.amazon.com/reusable-mask/s?k=reusable+mask


  • #249
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    GT89 wrote: »
    But they can be reused
    Gross, no.


  • #250
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Marc Quick Softball wrote: »
    Gross, no.

    They can be used for up to 4 hours then they should be washed. Provided both the barber/hairdresser and the customer both wear a face covering then there should be no problem. Look a hairdresser/barber does not need medical grade ppe just a basic mask will do the job. I'd even question the need to use gloves as proper hand washing is more effective.


  • #251
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    GT89 wrote: »
    They can be used for up to 4 hours then they should be washed. Provided both the barber/hairdresser and the customer both wear a face covering then there should be no problem. Look a hairdresser/barber does not need medical grade ppe just a basic mask will do the job. I'd even question the need to use gloves as proper hand washing is more effective.

    Would you put a mask on that had been on someone else?


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