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Saorview frequencies reshuffle (700 MHz clearence)

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  • #252
    Elvis Hammond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    You'd be wasting your time looking at Scotland, unless you're just messing around for the sake of it.

    What did moving your own aerial involve? Is it an outdoor install?


  • #253
    lgs 4
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭lgs 4


    Hi ! don't the group of the aerial here is photo of the aerial .The aerial was used for BBC 1 and 2 ,UTV and Channel 4 Northern Ireland till the 90,s .When my father got a free years cablelink as cablelink needed to run the main cable throught our front garden . The aerial is 40 years old . I will need to get back to about Scottish Freeview channel numbers . One more thing aerial reflector at the end was bigger ,than the one in photo .


  • #254
    lgs 4
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭lgs 4


    Elvis Hammond wrote: »
    You'd be wasting your time looking at Scotland, unless you're just messing around for the sake of it.

    What did moving your own aerial involve? Is it an outdoor install?[/Q

    Just anyone in the north of country with the aerial on the roof and amp .They may get more stable signal from Scotland .My reception is depening on the weather. The reception stays if the weather is suited


  • #255
    castle2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭castle2012


    lgs 4 wrote: »
    Elvis Hammond wrote: »
    You'd be wasting your time looking at Scotland, unless you're just messing around for the sake of it.

    What did moving your own aerial involve? Is it an outdoor install?[/Q

    Just anyone in the north of country with the aerial on the roof and amp .They may get more stable signal from Scotland .My reception is depening on the weather. The reception stays if the weather is suited
    My Ariel is in the attic .so I just relocated it and it worked .I'm in East meath


  • #256
    Elvis Hammond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    lgs 4 wrote: »
    ... Just anyone in the north of country with the aerial on the roof and amp .They may get more stable signal from Scotland.

    Seriously doubt it, unfortunately. Anything you're getting would just be due to 'lift' conditions.
    castle2012 wrote: »
    My Ariel is in the attic .so I just relocated it and it worked .I'm in East meath

    I wonder did you manage to strengthen Kilkeel, or maybe weaken one of the others. Will be interesting to see if it's reliable.


  • #257
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    castle2012 wrote: »
    Ok so I now am back up and running with killkeel.i relocated my Ariel .The only thing not coming in for some strange reason is the HD mix

    The HD muxes are very sensitive to co channel and adjacent channel interference


  • #258
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Elvis Hammond wrote: »
    It's the diplexer that's blocking the higher channels from the Divis aerial.

    Then this must literally affect thousands of homes in N. Ireland as many rooftops seem to have a similar set up to mine. What then is the answer - 2 separate aerial leads or is there an alternative?


  • #259
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    lgs 4 wrote: »
    Hi ! don't the group of the aerial here is photo of the aerial .The aerial was used for BBC 1 and 2 ,UTV and Channel 4 Northern Ireland till the 90,s .When my father got a free years cablelink as cablelink needed to run the main cable throught our front garden . The aerial is 40 years old . I will need to get back to about Scottish Freeview channel numbers . One more thing aerial reflector at the end was bigger ,than the one in photo .

    That's in good nick,its a lovely wideband and like we had here years ago
    Theres a lot of them about still especially in my area
    If you have the masthead amp and power supply,with vertical polarity, it might work for arfon in Wales

    Forget Scotland, as the poster above,only in lift (tropospheric ducting) conditions would those come in ie in high pressure weather


  • #260
    Mrs cockett
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭Mrs cockett


    Retuned this evening and all stations back. Couldn't believe it, No H D, but will live with that

    Fingers crossed now they stay put


  • #261
    Bellbottoms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Bellbottoms


    I have just tried to retune.
    Nothing

    No UK channels for me.
    I am in central Drogheda.


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  • #262
    lgs 4
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭lgs 4


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    That's in good nick,its a lovely wideband and like we had here years ago
    Theres a lot of them about still especially in my area
    If you have the masthead amp and power supply,with vertical polarity, it might work for arfon in Wales

    Forget Scotland, as the poster above,only in lift (tropospheric ducting) conditions would those come in ie in high pressure weather

    My mother had enough,:eek: 15 years of the fear it would blow down .Living in Tallaght. I have Freesat .


  • #263
    Elvis Hammond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    The HD muxes are very sensitive to co channel and adjacent channel interference

    No they aren't. They might be slightly more vulnerable, which could be enough to make the difference in the kind of marginal conditions along the east coast


  • #264
    kazoo106
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    Update - We have the COM Mux on CH30 Back in Dundalk.
    New antenna literally using the floor of building as a shield - with the antenna mounted just above the ground on the North face of building - no amps -just a log periodic and so far so good - rising or lowering a foot kills it as 3 rock so strong

    n8NCQO.jpg

    iEusVa.jpg


  • #265
    Rick_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Rick_


    Had an installer out today. He removed the old diplexer and fitted a new one and we got everything back with full signal apart from COMs 7 & 8. I mentioned that I’d like him to split the Divis aerial and run it and Clermont into one diplexer and another feed from Divis into another diplexer and I’d be able to get all 8 Divis MUXs and the two Clermont ones. He said that wasn’t possible. I said that I believed it was and asked him if he would at least try. He point blank refused. I mentioned that I was the customer and it’s what I hired him to do and he got very defensive that he knew more than me. I would have probably thought he did but he left shortly after I decided I didn’t want my time wasted any further when I had to explain to him what the Divis frequencies were. (He didn’t even know there was a retune needed recently and told me “Oh, you’re missing the channels on 29”. I said “Yes, they’ve moved to 30”. He told me they hadn’t and it was just a problem with my set up). As an installer you would have thought he would have known about the retune let alone what channels the TV signals are on, no? Was I wrong for expecting a paid professional to know something that, to me, would have been a basic bit of information?


  • #266
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Was I wrong for expecting a paid professional to know something that, to me, would have been a basic bit of information?

    Simply, yes.

    It happens with a percentage of workers in all professions and is why most people look for personal recommendations. ;)


  • #267
    castle2012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭castle2012


    kazoo106 wrote: »
    Update - We have the COM Mux on CH30 Back in Dundalk.
    New antenna literally using the floor of building as a shield - with the antenna mounted just above the ground on the North face of building - no amps -just a log periodic and so far so good - rising or lowering a foot kills it as 3 rock so strong

    n8NCQO.jpg

    iEusVa.jpg
    Looks like a very neat antenna, Did you buy it locally?


  • #268
    kazoo106
    Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    Have had them a few years - only 12 or 13 db gain but better rejection than standard antennas


  • #269
    Rick_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Rick_


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Simply, yes.

    It happens with a percentage of workers in all professions and is why most people look for personal recommendations. ;)

    I got his details on a recommendation funnily enough. I just found it surprising he didn’t even know about the 700MHz clearance retune and his attitude was generally “I’m not doing what you called me out to do, I’m doing what I want and if you don’t like it, tough” which I thought was very unprofessional. Ah well, I’ll know next time I need work done not to use him again.


  • #270
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,031 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    PFMC84 wrote: »
    I got his details on a recommendation funnily enough. I just found it surprising he didn’t even know about the 700MHz clearance retune and his attitude was generally “I’m not doing what you called me out to do, I’m doing what I want and if you don’t like it, tough” which I thought was very unprofessional. Ah well, I’ll know next time I need work done not to use him again.

    Yeah, I have had that attitude from quite a number over the years, in various professions.
    When lucky I have succeeded in weeding out the worst of them, during a preliminary chat, before any committment.

    I am fully behind the adage

    'Qualification is no indication of competence'


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  • #271
    joeysoap
    Registered Users Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    My aerial is partially eaten/broken by birds/weather. 2 or 3 of the end ‘spokes - shaped almost like an 8 sideways) are missing. 40 year old single rooftop aerial.
    I’m still getting freeview and Saorview but no HD or UTV on one of my tv’s. The other 2 are fine, as is the freeview recorder.

    Would I benefit now from a new aerial or wait until March? The full stops are still showing on the newest tv (lg - 2months old UM series) on Irish Saorview channels. Dundalk.


  • #272
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,639 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Would I benefit now from a new aerial or wait until March? The full stops are still showing on the newest tv (lg - 2months old UM series) on Irish Saorview channels. Dundalk.

    No point waiting until March, all final frequencies are now live, the old frequencies only remain to allow people time to sort out any reception issues they might have with their current installations.


  • #273
    soporific
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭soporific


    I'm in East Meath just outside Drogheda and have been using Kilkeel and Clermont on a group B aerial. I was at home on Wednesday when the switchover took place and tried a few retunes on Kilkeel. All 3 muxes came in at different times and for a brief hour or two all three and the two new Clermont frequencies were living happily beside each other. (the 42 and 45 of Clermont and the 40, 43 aned 46 of Kilkeel). Then without warning, all three Kilkeel were gone. I can only specuulate that Camlugh was switched on and that killed the Kilkeel signal. I really dont want to go up the ladder and start messing about with slight changes in direction. Would it make any difference or is Divis or Wales the only alternative?


  • #274
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    soporific wrote: »
    I'm in East Meath just outside Drogheda and have been using Kilkeel and Clermont on a group B aerial. I was at home on Wednesday when the switchover took place and tried a few retunes on Kilkeel. All 3 muxes came in at different times and for a brief hour or two all three and the two new Clermont frequencies were living happily beside each other. (the 42 and 45 of Clermont and the 40, 43 aned 46 of Kilkeel). Then without warning, all three Kilkeel were gone. I can only specuulate that Camlugh was switched on and that killed the Kilkeel signal. I really dont want to go up the ladder and start messing about with slight changes in direction. Would it make any difference or is Divis or Wales the only alternative?

    You were originally pulling in clermont on a group B which weakened it
    You are now pulling all in on the correct group B which could mean clermont is flooding the band for you it's so strong versus kilkeel
    An attenuator might help,but its rock and hard place territory as it will also reduce kilkeel
    Kilkeel's signal is the fringe reception too so more prone to weather and that's probably why it's coming and going for you now
    Prior it could cope
    With the new stronger received same group clermont, it can't


  • #275
    Iderown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭Iderown


    soporific


    When you can manage it, the installation of an aerial for Divis (group A horizontal) would be the better option. Keeping your present aerial for Clermont Carn (group B vertical).

    Edited to note that if you want ALL the programmes that are available from Divis, you will need a group T aerial. Divis transmits most of the high definition variants along with some time shifted programmes in channels 51 and 60. These to change to 55 and 56 in March 2020.


  • #276
    Elvis Hammond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    soporific wrote: »
    I'm in East Meath just outside Drogheda and have been using Kilkeel and Clermont on a group B aerial. I was at home on Wednesday when the switchover took place and tried a few retunes on Kilkeel. All 3 muxes came in at different times and for a brief hour or two all three and the two new Clermont frequencies were living happily beside each other. (the 42 and 45 of Clermont and the 40, 43 aned 46 of Kilkeel). Then without warning, all three Kilkeel were gone. I can only specuulate that Camlugh was switched on and that killed the Kilkeel signal. I really dont want to go up the ladder and start messing about with slight changes in direction. Would it make any difference or is Divis or Wales the only alternative?

    BBC reception shows Camlough as being off air from 2.02pm until 4.48pm on the 4th. (Presumably the UTV mux was off too.) Kilkeel HD is shown as being off air at this time too, though.

    I assume your aerial is actually aligned on Kilkeel?


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  • #277
    stam
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭stam


    Elvis Hammond wrote: »
    They're not blank carriers; Saorview is up & running on those freqs. Never thought of them being adjacent to Kilkeel now: indeed that could explain why adox a few posts back was still getting BBC on ch.40.

    Kilkeel already has the co-channel Camlough to deal with.

    I think an adjacent channel can be something like 25dB above before it starts doing harm?



    Kildare? That was impressive while it lasted, although I think I'd be going with satellite now for FTA UK TV.

    Yes I'm just outside newbridge had it on the old analogue for years then when it went digital so I got a new aerial to have a go at it I think the name of the aerial was triax 100 A and got them since the other day yes it looks like freesat the way to go now thanks


  • #278
    andrew1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    Hi ,
    Completely uneducated on this , my Uk channels all gone on my free to air TVs ( Drogheda area)

    I assume it’s relayed to this matter and I’ve tried numerous retunes but no joy on getting the channels back .

    Reading from here , I assume they are gone for good now ?

    I have a free view box which can get them in , just a bit more awkward switching around to it .

    Thank you


  • #279
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    The Cush wrote: »
    Revised post-700MHz clearance Saorview Transmitter and Frequency information pdf, dated Sept 2019, rev. 1.2

    http://www.2rn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2RN-DTT-Television-Transmission-Network-Sept-2019-Rev.1.2.pdf

    Previous version here - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=92032951#post92032951

    Just looking through the Main Stations, any reason why a few of them (Cairn Hill, Maghera, Spur Hill and Woodcock Hill) have Mux 1 at a higher number than Mux 2

    For example Cairn Hill (47/44) - Why can't Mux 1 be 44 and Mux 2 be 47?


  • #280
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    andrew1977 wrote: »
    Hi ,
    Completely uneducated on this , my Uk channels all gone on my free to air TVs ( Drogheda area)

    I assume it’s relayed to this matter and I’ve tried numerous retunes but no joy on getting the channels back .

    Reading from here , I assume they are gone for good now ?

    I have a free view box which can get them in , just a bit more awkward switching around to it .

    Thank you

    You can get them on the freeview box but not the telly?
    By freeview do you mean freesat?
    Freeview is the term for digital terrestrial


  • #281
    andrew1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    You can get them on the freeview box but not the telly?
    By freeview do you mean freesat?
    Freeview is the term for digital terrestrial


    Apologies . Yes it’s a triax sr 110 box , got it installed years back when all the rage.
    Hundreds of channels of mostly crap but thankfully all the UK standard channels working fine ok it .
    So I assume my free to air Telly won’t pick up the English channels anymore ?
    Thanks for the help


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  • #282
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,639 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Just looking through the Main Stations, any reason why a few of them (Cairn Hill, Maghera, Spur Hill and Woodcock Hill) have Mux 1 at a higher number than Mux 2

    For example Cairn Hill (47/44) - Why can't Mux 1 be 44 and Mux 2 be 47?

    At the time Mux1 was switched on there were between 2 and 4 analogue UHF channels broadcasting from each site, but by the time Mux2 came along the analogue channels were gone and so I assume they are using some of these old frequencies.

    I guess it doesn't really matter as the LCNs will put the channels in the correct order in any case.


  • #283
    Elvis Hammond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Just looking through the Main Stations, any reason why a few of them (Cairn Hill, Maghera, Spur Hill and Woodcock Hill) have Mux 1 at a higher number than Mux 2

    For example Cairn Hill (47/44) - Why can't Mux 1 be 44 and Mux 2 be 47?

    In the original switch to Saorview, they seem to have done all those 44, 47 sites that way, for whatever reason. A couple of them I think were using that block (41, 44, 47, 51) for analogue, so mux 1 went on their unused TV3 allocation, ch. 47. That doesn't apply to most of them though.

    Certainly both frequencies should be equal status from a planning perspective.


  • #284
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    andrew1977 wrote: »
    Apologies . Yes it’s a triax sr 110 box , got it installed years back when all the rage.
    Hundreds of channels of mostly crap but thankfully all the UK standard channels working fine ok it .
    So I assume my free to air Telly won’t pick up the English channels anymore ?
    Thanks for the help
    Theres a lot of pressure against it yes,not least clermont moving to the same frequency group as kilkeel at a billion times the strength which can flood the band with your masthead amp
    Someone up thread has moved their aerial to where they are sheltered from it
    But finding a spot like that where you're essentially pointing at both anyway with something just blocking clermont enough would be a lot of trial and error and flukey

    I do not know the area


  • #285
    andrew1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭andrew1977


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Theres a lot of pressure against it yes,not least clermont moving to the same frequency group as kilkeel at a billion times the strength which can flood the band with your masthead amp
    Someone up thread has moved their aerial to where they are sheltered from it
    But finding a spot like that where you're essentially pointing at both anyway with something just blocking clermont enough would be a lot of trial and error and flukey

    I do not know the area

    I don’t understand half your sayin there , apologies , Ive no idea on this sort of thing.

    So the channels are gone for good now from my Telly ? That’s the long and short of what I can make out from reading this thread .
    Thanks again


  • #286
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    andrew1977 wrote: »
    I don’t understand half your sayin there , apologies , Ive no idea on this sort of thing.

    So the channels are gone for good now from my Telly ? That’s the long and short of what I can make out from reading this thread .
    Thanks again

    Yeah,that's it
    Some people mess about with their aerial, putting it in different places and find a spot where the interference causing the channels to be gone isn't getting through
    But that's pure luck
    Simplest and only solution for you is satelite


  • #287
    Rick_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Rick_


    I've contacted a few local aerial companies to enquire about getting all 8 Divis MUX's along with Clermont in the one set-up and they have all told me is isn't possible or told me information that isn't correct (from what is available online that says otherwise). So, a case of lazy/incompetent installers or do they happen to know more than the good folk on here?
    🤷


  • #288
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    PFMC84 wrote: »
    I've contacted a few local aerial companies to enquire about getting all 8 Divis MUX's along with Clermont in the one set-up and they have all told me is isn't possible or told me information that isn't correct (from what is available online that says otherwise). So, a case of lazy/incompetent installers or do they happen to know more than the good folk on here?
    🀷

    No not lazy
    Just aerial fatigue
    A lot of them just want you to throw up a dish
    It would be interesting if UK tv became scrambled again on Sat
    There'd be a lot of new aerial investment then


  • #289
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    For some reason Com 7 (now C51 Divis) has been steady signal quality since Saturday. Was unable to receive at all since frequency changes except when power for my masthead amp for RTE was switched off but can receive now with amp on on one of my TVs. Com 8 (C60 Divis) still not coming through.


  • #290
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    No not lazy
    Just aerial fatigue
    A lot of them just want you to throw up a dish
    It would be interesting if UK tv became scrambled again on Sat
    There'd be a lot of new aerial investment then

    Totally agree with you. Laziness and half heartedness abounds in modern society and 'Just can't be bothered' is the motto of many it seems. There are of course some dedicated hard working aerial installers and its getting to the right one that is the key.


  • #291
    Rick_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Rick_


    If I knew where to find one that covered the area I would contact them, but everyone I have contacted that comes up for a Google/Yellow Pages search for here (or who say they cover here but are from a fair bit away) have all basically given the same answer.


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  • #292
    Mickey Mike
    Registered Users Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    Just looking through the Main Stations, any reason why a few of them (Cairn Hill, Maghera, Spur Hill and Woodcock Hill) have Mux 1 at a higher number than Mux 2

    For example Cairn Hill (47/44) - Why can't Mux 1 be 44 and Mux 2 be 47?

    You're absolutely right, its a messy lay out, they should have corrected afterwards, RTE did an excellent job when laying out the analogue tv channels and have done an excellent job with the FM radio channels.
    But whoever layed out the saorview frequently, made a pure balls of it, another example is RTE1 is on Mux 2 and RTE2 on Mux1.


  • #293
    mackersdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    PFMC84 wrote: »
    If I knew where to find one that covered the area I would contact them, but everyone I have contacted that comes up for a Google/Yellow Pages search for here (or who say they cover here but are from a fair bit away) have all basically given the same answer.

    http://isaa.ie/FIND.html is recommended by Saorview


  • #294
    Elvis Hammond
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭Elvis Hammond


    Mickey Mike wrote: »
    You're absolutely right, its a messy lay out, they should have corrected afterwards ...

    ... But whoever layed out the saorview frequently, made a pure balls of it, another example is RTE1 is on Mux 2 and RTE2 on Mux1.

    And why do you think any of this matters to the functioning of Saorview?


  • #295
    Rick_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Rick_


    mackersdublin wrote: »
    http://isaa.ie/FIND.html is recommended by Saorview

    And not a single installer is listed for my county, apart from one in Dublin and I'm not paying their fee for travelling to me!


  • #296
    TAFKAlawhec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭TAFKAlawhec


    Mickey Mike wrote: »
    You're absolutely right, its a messy lay out, they should have corrected afterwards, RTE did an excellent job when laying out the analogue tv channels and have done an excellent job with the FM radio channels.
    But whoever layed out the saorview frequently, made a pure balls of it, another example is RTE1 is on Mux 2 and RTE2 on Mux1.
    None of this matters to the end consumer. All DVB-T receivers can automatically scan for available multiplexes, or can manually tune in to a frequency using the on screen menu. TV and radio channels are placed in LCNs regardless what order they are scanned in. Makes no difference whatsoever in the end. Would be an utter waste of time, resources and money to engage in essentially an anorack cosmetic exercise that would force viewers in areas unaffected by the retuning required earlier this month to having to retune to view all services again. Besides RTÉ through 2RN would be crucified in public for carrying out something technically needless especially in their current financial state.


  • #297
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    TAFKAlawhec wrote: »
    None of this matters to the end consumer. All DVB-T receivers can automatically scan for available multiplexes, or can manually tune in to a frequency using the on screen menu. TV and radio channels are placed in LCNs regardless what order they are scanned in. Makes no difference whatsoever in the end. Would be an utter waste of time, resources and money to engage in essentially an anorack cosmetic exercise that would force viewers in areas unaffected by the retuning required earlier this month to having to retune to view all services again. Besides RTÉ through 2RN would be crucified in public for carrying out something technically needless especially in their current financial state.

    Problem here in NI is that Saorview channels are all over the place after either auto tune or manual scan and all the empty channel carriers on one of the muxes is a pain as you have to delete empty channel carriers and reorder channels. I know Saorview is not devised for UK market but many people up here have Saorview and elderly in particular don't know how to reorder channel list so some do not even know they have some channels which are way down the epg in late 800s. I have been retuning TVs in my area since latest changes and reordering Saorview channels has taken up most of my time.


  • #298
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Digifriendly wrote: »
    Problem here in NI is that Saorview channels are all over the place after either auto tune or manual scan and all the empty channel carriers on one of the muxes is a pain as you have to delete empty channel carriers and reorder channels. I know Saorview is not devised for UK market but many people up here have Saorview and elderly in particular don't know how to reorder channel list so some do not even know they have some channels which are way down the epg in late 800s. I have been retuning TVs in my area since latest changes and reordering Saorview channels has taken up most of my time.

    Nice call out fee or is it pro bono :D
    mackersdublin wrote: »
    http://isaa.ie/FIND.html is recommended by Saorview
    PFMC84 wrote: »
    And not a single installer is listed for my county, apart from one in Dublin and I'm not paying their fee for travelling to me!


    There are several long established companies not on that list though,probably because it was an organisation set up via boards.ie and word of mouth with some installers only


  • #299
    Rick_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Rick_


    I've also been retuning friends and relatives TV's for them and then re-ordering their channels to get the Irish channels coming right after the 5 UK ones at the top of the EPG.

    I'm just glad my TV remembers my EPG positions, even if I retune or if the channel changes MUX, the order and any name changes I've applied remain.


  • #300
    soporific
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭soporific


    on my sony android TV, reordering the channels after a retune means some channels do not receive EPG or even now/next listings. I dont know if this is particular to android or sony but the problem seems to stem from all the "null" channels that RTE or 2RN insert into both muxes. Just for clarity, this EPG problem never occurs with the British channels. After hours of struggle and swpaping channels around, I finally worked out that doing a retune that received the British channels first and then stopping the retune and manually adding the 2RN muxes was the best way of relocating the RTE channels and "null" services and their ghost effect further down the channel numbers.


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  • #301
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    PFMC84 wrote: »
    I've also been retuning friends and relatives TV's for them and then re-ordering their channels to get the Irish channels coming right after the 5 UK ones at the top of the EPG.

    I'm just glad my TV remembers my EPG positions, even if I retune or if the channel changes MUX, the order and any name changes I've applied remain.

    My Panansonic HDD PVR keeps channel order from previous setting before any retune but all TVs I have tuned in, mostly Sony/Samsung/Sharp all require reordering Saorview channels after every retune. Mux with RTE2/VM1/TG4 etc is fine but other Mux with RTE1/RTE1+1/VM3 etc has channels all over the place. BTW i don't charge any fee. I'm doing it for members of my church most of whom are elderly.


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