Irishman set to be deported from the US

splinter65 · 15-07-2019 10:11am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Has the "Well respected family" and "involved in the GAA" lines come out yet?

Any minute now.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:11am

ddarcy wrote: »

He has lots of issues here:

1. He lied on his ESTA- which is a federal crime. It’s stated on the ESTA

Btw he could still visit the USA, but would have needed a different Visa

2. He overstated the Visa- another federal crime.

3. He fraudulently obtained working documents- again a crime

4. Hes not a women - if he was a women and popped out a kid then he’d be given rights to stay in the USA as the legal system favours a mother over a father.

5. He knew the risks and unfortunately for him they have come home to bite him.

I believe if he hadn’t lied in his initial visa he may have been ok. But the US system is ruthless and he seems to have surpassed the mark of acceptance.

So it’s not a drugs conviction holding him back. I see three other crimes committed as well, that he knowingly committed.

I know, he’s an awful criminal so he is. His poor victims!

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:12am

splinter65 wrote: »

All issues that adults working together can overcome. No way anywhere near an excuse for them to be treated any differently to any other illegal immigrants.

Anyone in an equivalent situation should be allowed stay and continue to live their blameless lives.

splinter65 · 15-07-2019 10:13am

Fan of Netflix wrote: »

I don't think that is the case, I think it's understandable people would be more likely to favour someone from their own country. Religion is nothing to do with it, most illegal immigrants in the US are Catholics from Latin America.

I do however think those from El Salvador and Honduras etc are in a far worse position. Being deported back here is not the worse place to be sent. Back to El Salvador, it could be a death sentence for many of those people.

I’m identifying the subtle racism in a lot of posters making excuses for the illegal immigrant. It’s definitely there.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:14am

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not some place, it's Ireland and he seems to have a trade and is/was running a business. Really can't see too many problems here on that score.

Ireland was in the grip of a massive crisis for a good few of the years he was there, and “getting a job” is only one of the problems upping sticks like that, especially when you’ve a child who isn’t Irish in any sense to consider.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:15am

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m identifying the subtle racism in a lot of posters making excuses for the illegal immigrant. It’s definitely there.

^Straight to the leper colony.

ddarcy · 15-07-2019 10:16am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

I know, he’s an awful criminal so he is. His poor victims!

There’s also a supply and demand issue. There are thousands of immigrants with his same abilities that don’t have prior convictions.

Unfortunately for him tough crap. He needs to be sent back. Have no sympathy for him.

If I illegally came to Ireland, got illegal documents off the IRA or other source and then knocked up an Irish bird, should I be allowed to stay? That’s what he has done and you can bet Ireland would deport as well.

is_that_so · 15-07-2019 10:20am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Ireland was in the grip of a massive crisis for a good few of the years he was there, and “getting a job” is only one of the problems upping sticks like that, especially when you’ve a child who isn’t Irish in any sense to consider.

You keep making excuses for people unable to see past their noses. He screwed up, lied, overstayed his visa and has been rejected several times for regularisation. He clearly gambled on them not applying the law ever. As I said make a contingency plan. To keep butting their heads head with an immovable force is not a plan.

splinter65 · 15-07-2019 10:21am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Anyone in an equivalent situation should be allowed stay and continue to live their blameless lives.

It’s just unfortunate for you and he that immigration laws all over the world don’t agree with you. Honesty and integrity are very important values to have and display when you want things to work out for you in officialdom.

splinter65 · 15-07-2019 10:23am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

^Straight to the leper colony.

Yes I agree. Racists like yourself who think that white Irish people are superior to foreign black people and should be exempt from immigration laws for that very reason should be packed off to a leper colony.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:24am

is_that_so wrote: »

You keep making excuses for people unable to see past their noses. He screwed up, lied, overstayed his visa and has been rejected several times for regularisation.

For these awful crimes, he should be separated from his wife and kids, and locked up in jail pending deportation.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:25am

splinter65 wrote: »

Yes I agree. Racists like yourself who think that white Irish people are superior to foreign black people and should be exempt from immigration laws for that very reason should be packed off to a leper colony.

How am I racist? I’d make the same argument if he was Mexican, Nigerian, Chinese

is_that_so · 15-07-2019 10:27am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

For these awful crimes, he should be separated from his wife and kids, and locked up in jail pending deportation.

You seem paralysed by the "non-crime" element of it. The law is there and this has been coming as that law stands even if he imagined it would never happen. You deal with it and work out what next to do.

facehugger99 · 15-07-2019 10:30am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

For these awful crimes, he should be separated from his wife and kids, and locked up in jail pending deportation.

If only there were alternate options available to people illegally working and living in a foreign country.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:33am

facehugger99 wrote: »

If only there were alternate options available to people illegally working and living in a foreign country.

Yeah, but those options won’t help resolve this situation. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that a man should be separated from his wife and kids, locked up and deported over this? Like come on, what kind of asshole is so precious about the rules that they want that to happen to a husband and father??

noinc · 15-07-2019 10:37am

I have assume you are a member of a political party or do real people use phrases about low hanging fruit?
I will go as to say your are PBP of some other open border crowd. HeHe happily broke the law even before hehe got on the plane for The US and compounded it when he overstayed. Now he wants sympathy, we have enough of his type herd already!

Sunny Disposition · 15-07-2019 10:39am

It does show up an attitude that expects no consequences, believing that you can not take responsibility for your own situation and expect to get away with it.

Ridiculous to think the USA can take anyone who decides they want to come without going through the proper channels, the population would explode even further. Even more stupid is the idea that people who are caught breaking the rules should be allowed to stay, effectively saying they should receive preferential treatment to those who obey them!

There's a really strong herd mentality around immigration issues these days, good to see a thread like this, with far more sensible views advanced.

facehugger99 · 15-07-2019 10:43am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Yeah, but those options won’t help resolve this situation. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that a man should be separated from his wife and kids, locked up and deported over this? Like come on, what kind of asshole is so precious about the rules that they want that to happen to a husband and father??

He should have thought of all that before he did what he did - no personal responsibility and now goes whinging about the 'unfairness' of it all.

I'm familiar with the type - we have a lot of them in Ireland, looks like we'll be getting another one back before too long.

ddarcy · 15-07-2019 10:47am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Yeah, but those options won’t help resolve this situation. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that a man should be separated from his wife and kids, locked up and deported over this? Like come on, what kind of asshole is so precious about the rules that they want that to happen to a husband and father??

A new lawyer / solicitor in the USA would have advised him of this eventuality when he tried to get regularised. This is 100 pct down to his own actions.

Let me give you a similar legal scenario. Boy A gets released from prison, decides to apply for an ESTA excluding pertinent details. Travels to US, overstays and starts a family. Is found out and gets arrested for deportation. Should Boy A be allowed to stay? Like f*** he should.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:54am

facehugger99 wrote: »

He should have thought of all that before he did what he did - no personal responsibility and now goes whinging about the 'unfairness' of it all.

I'm familiar with the type - we have a lot of them in Ireland, looks like we'll be getting another one back before too long.

He works and provides for his wife and kids, and for a stepchild, but he has “no personal responsibility”, ok.

So, you think the proportionate response to this is to break up the family, leaving a mother and her kids without her husband, and packing him off somewhere where he’ll have no job. Isn’t the law supposed to produce good and just outcomes? But nobody could consider that outcome good and just.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 10:55am

ddarcy wrote: »

A new lawyer / solicitor in the USA would have advised him of this eventuality when he tried to get regularised. This is 100 pct down to his own actions.

Let me give you a similar legal scenario. Boy A gets released from prison, decides to apply for an ESTA excluding pertinent details. Travels to US, overstays and starts a family. Is found out and gets arrested for deportation. Should Boy A be allowed to stay? Like f*** he should.

Why in the name of f*** would we need a hypothetical scenario when we are discussing an actual one??? Mind-numbingly dumb post.

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 11:00am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Guy could have come back from the US during the recession and sat on the dole. Instead he sets up his own business, gets married, taking on his partner’s child from a previous relationship, starts a family. Can’t regularize his status because of some minor drug conviction. The reaction on boards? A bunch of self-righteous assholes going “waa-waa, he broke the law!!! Deport him!!!” I think Ireland should be allowed deport you lot to a leper colony.

Guess you’ll take all the illegals into your house then don’t you.
Talk about self righteous.

Cryptopagan · 15-07-2019 11:01am

dodderangler wrote: »

Guess you’ll take all the illegals into your house then don’t you.
Talk about self righteous.

Guy works and provides for his family. The only scenario in which anyone will need to take him in is if he’s packed off back to Ireland

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 11:02am

splinter65 wrote: »

There’s almost a touch of racism going on albeit subconsciously.
Apparently Irish people are superior to other illlegal immigrants, possibly because their mostly white and Christian, and should not be subject to the immigration laws, whereas other races are fair game.

Was waiting for someone to talk about racism. Took you long enough.
Take a boat trip mate.

InTheShadows · 15-07-2019 11:02am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Yeah, but those options won’t help resolve this situation. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that a man should be separated from his wife and kids, locked up and deported over this? Like come on, what kind of asshole is so precious about the rules that they want that to happen to a husband and father??

I believe it's the right thing to do. Breaking the law should have punishments.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 11:12am

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Yeah, but those options won’t help resolve this situation. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that a man should be separated from his wife and kids, locked up and deported over this? Like come on, what kind of asshole is so precious about the rules that they want that to happen to a husband and father??

This has been happening en masse and in much much worse conditions since Trump came to power.
.

Danzy · 15-07-2019 11:18am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

This has been happening en masse and in much much worse conditions since Trump came to power.
.

The Reagan era of neoliberal economics is coming to an end.

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 11:22am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

This has been happening en masse and in much much worse conditions since Trump came to power.
.

Cop onto yourself. Obama sent more illegals home. Just because he’s black nothing was mentioned.
Trump is probably one of the best things to happen to America since Clinton.
You need to read actual facts instead of fake news and spending all day reading the daily mail and worldstar

Donald Trump · 15-07-2019 11:26am

is_that_so wrote: »

You keep making excuses for people unable to see past their noses. He screwed up, lied, overstayed his visa and has been rejected several times for regularisation. He clearly gambled on them not applying the law ever. As I said make a contingency plan. To keep butting their heads head with an immovable force is not a plan.

That's all a bit silly.

There is a process in the US to regularize your situation. He would likely have qualified had it not been for these "minor" drugs incidents they referred to. I don't know how minor they are but other than that, he would likely have been fine and well on his way to owning a US passport.

I don't read it as your man looking for extra extra special treatment. But sure he probably knows dozens of people himself who were in the same boat (sans historical drugs issues) and got regularized.

ddarcy · 15-07-2019 11:37am

Well all the libtards cant get over them self’s on this.

He’s coming back to Ireland and there’s nothing you can do. The ramifications of him of him not are too great and will allow a loophole for too many others.

He had ways of coming in, even with his prior conviction. He chose not too. Now he’ll meet the inevitable consequences of his actions.

The liberal approach of ‘he has a family’ won’t cut it.

seasidedub · 15-07-2019 11:37am

Can I just add that I recently paid a painter 970e to paint the outside of the house which was done over the course of a week, couple of hours in the evening as the painter is so busy and has a waiting list.

I imagine if the man in question comes back, he'll be ok for work......

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 11:42am

ddarcy wrote: »

Well all the libtards cant get over them self’s on this.

He’s coming back to Ireland and there’s nothing you can do. The ramifications of him of him not are too great and will allow a loophole for too many others.

He had ways of coming in, even with his prior conviction. He chose not too. Now he’ll meet the inevitable consequences of his actions.

The liberal approach of ‘he has a family’ won’t cut it.

Wonder would they say the same about a lad who was caught with coke because he was offered a ton of money to deliver it but he had a family to support

The libs would be the first to say he should be hung especially if he was a white Irishman.
Libs have ruined this world. They’ve done nothing progressive.

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 11:43am

Libtards… Jesus Christ.. really?

meeeeh · 15-07-2019 11:53am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Libtards… Jesus Christ.. really?

I'm starting to believe anyone using term libtard has an IQ comparable to their shoe size. The UK one not the European one.

meeeeh · 15-07-2019 11:55am

dodderangler wrote: »

Cop onto yourself. Obama sent more illegals home. Just because he’s black nothing was mentioned.
Trump is probably one of the best things to happen to America since Clinton.
You need to read actual facts instead of fake news and spending all day reading the daily mail and worldstar

Obama's policy was to concentrate on new arrivals, criminals and turning away people on the border. Trump lacks that kind of sophistication.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 11:58am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Libtards… Jesus Christ.. really?

I wouldn't worry about the vocabulary of someone who then goes on to write "them self's".

weldoninhio · 15-07-2019 11:58am

He's getting what he deserves for believing that US laws didn't apply to him. Welcome home Keith.

ddarcy · 15-07-2019 11:59am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Libtards… Jesus Christ.. really?

I’ll make it worse for you.

Here are facts you won’t like but I’ll state them anyways.

1. I’m US born and bred.
2. I came to Ireland to live and work - LEGALLY
3. I applied for citizenship - LEGALLY
4. I lived in Ireland and committed NO CRIMES
5. I paid all dues and was granted citizenship by the letter of the law.

He has failed 2-5. I have no sympathy. Furthermore it’s people like him that are causing legitimate immigrants from entering the USA.

So I have no sympathy at all and he is hurting others by his actions.

But the liberals can’t pull their heads out of their arses to see night from day.

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 12:02pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Wonder would they say the same about a lad who was caught with coke because he was offered a ton of money to deliver it but he had a family to support

The libs would be the first to say he should be hung especially if he was a white Irishman.
Libs have ruined this world. They’ve done nothing progressive.

But he is a white Irishman? What are you talking about.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 12:02pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Cop onto yourself. Obama sent more illegals home. Just because he’s black nothing was mentioned.
Trump is probably one of the best things to happen to America since Clinton.
You need to read actual facts instead of fake news and spending all day reading the daily mail and worldstar

Not a case of "copping on"; it's a case of making the point: this is not new. Illegal aliens have been deported under all presidents, but the brutality of it was escalated under Trump.

MadYaker · 15-07-2019 12:07pm

Cryptopagan wrote: »

Yeah, but those options won’t help resolve this situation. Do you honestly, genuinely believe that a man should be separated from his wife and kids, locked up and deported over this? Like come on, what kind of asshole is so precious about the rules that they want that to happen to a husband and father??

He's married to an American there a few ways he could have gotten a green card, he didn't even begin the process despite being in the country for over a decade. I'm in favor of immigration but it has to be regulated and controlled via laws. We can't ignore the laws just because the guy has a family. There is a naturalisation process that he could have used to legalize his status, he chose not to do that and that's his fault not the systems.

dudara · 15-07-2019 12:07pm

ddarcy wrote: »

Well all the libtards cant get over them self’s on this

Quit the immflamtory comments. It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.

dudara

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 12:08pm

ddarcy wrote: »

I’ll make it worse for you.

Here are facts you won’t like but I’ll state them anyways.

1. I’m US born and bred.
2. I came to Ireland to live and work - LEGALLY
3. I applied for citizenship - LEGALLY
4. I lived in Ireland and committed NO CRIMES
5. I paid all dues and was granted citizenship by the letter of the law.

He has failed 2-5. I have no sympathy. Furthermore it’s people like him that are causing legitimate immigrants from entering the USA.

So I have no sympathy at all and he is hurting others by his actions.

But the liberals can’t pull their heads out of their arses to see night from day.

Make it worse for me? I have no sympathy for him either. I haven't throughout the thread.

What liberals? There is one person who has stood up for him?

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 12:08pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Not a case of "copping on"; it's a case of making the point: this is not new. Illegal aliens have been deported under all presidents, but the brutality of it was escalated under Trump.

Brutality.
No it’s because it’s in the lime light. It was always brutal. No matter what.
Blaming a president because you don’t like how honest he is is just sad. Secondly it has sweet fück all to do with any of you. He’s not our president.

Techlit · 15-07-2019 12:09pm

is it true you can stay in california for as long as you like?

dodderangler · 15-07-2019 12:10pm

Libtards are generally referred to the really idiotic liberals. Which is a high percentage of them.
No different than calling someone that’s right wing a redneck. Difference is most of us right wing don’t care about a libs opinion.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 15-07-2019 12:11pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Brutality.
No it’s because it’s in the lime light. It was always brutal. No matter what.
Blaming a president because you don’t like how honest he is is just sad. Secondly it has sweet fück all to do with any of you. He’s not our president.

I'm not blaming him for anything. I simply said it was happening. It's been happening.

Again, my point is that Deportaion. Is. Not. New.

As for "brutality", I don't remember any previous president - democrat or republican - authorising separating children from parents and locking them in cages.

jam_mac_jam · 15-07-2019 12:12pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Libtards are generally referred to the really idiotic liberals. Which is a high percentage of them.
No different than calling someone that’s right wing a redneck. Difference is most of us right wing don’t care about a libs opinion.

Or the meaning of words apparently.

CoBo55 · 15-07-2019 12:12pm

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

A go fund me page has been set up for him.really?i lost my phone last night while out of my mind drunk, i think ill set up a go fund me page as well.

Brilliant!! I drank the electric bill money last night if there's an overun can you give me a dig out?

Berserker · 15-07-2019 12:12pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Obama's policy was to concentrate on new arrivals, criminals and turning away people on the border. Trump lacks that kind of sophistication.

Yes, nothing happening at the border with Mexico. The man in the article is a criminal, so he would have been suitable for deportation under Obama strategy also.

Irishman set to be deported from the US

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