Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

McMurphy · 30-05-2019 10:15pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

She can brazen this out.

Vlad can sanction her.

She could resign from the Committee.

Which of the above do you think will happen?

There is certainly a lot of media coverage of this but what will it achieve at the end of the day if there are absolutely no sanctions for false or spurious claims. That is the reality.

She apparently has been pretty much ostracized within the party from what the news seems to be suggesting, with minister's and TDs being outspoken publicly about on her on radio and television, one fellow traveller even did the unthinkable and removed her profile photo off Facebook:eek:

But seriously, if she hangs in there, then I can only think of one reason why.

There's a gaggle of them in this together, at the venue on the night, and dispensing legal advice. If Maria goes, she could take a few with her.

Spanish Eyes · 30-05-2019 10:21pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

She apparently has been pretty much ostracized within the party from what the news seems to be suggesting, with minister's and TDs being outspoken publicly about on her on radio and television, one fellow traveller even did the unthinkable and removed her profile photo off Facebook:eek:

But seriously, if she hangs in there, then I can only think of one reason why.

There's a gaggle of them in this together, at the venue on the night, and dispensing legal advice. If Maria goes, she could take a few with her.

It is possible that she is the fall gal in all this. She was stupid and idiotic too. We all know this.

But to my mind those calling for her demise are reprehensible, as it appears to me that there is a gathering of the wolves against a certain cohort or something.

There are bigger fish to fry in this country now. OK sanction her but FGS do not try to be better than thou. That kind of hypocrisy gets me, and they are just jumping on the "vote for me" bandwagon. Ugh

Fann Linn · 30-05-2019 10:22pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

She apparently has been pretty much ostracized within the party from what the news seems to be suggesting, with minister's and TDs being outspoken publicly about on her on radio and television, one fellow traveller even did the unthinkable and removed her profile photo off Facebook:eek:

But seriously, if she hangs in there, then I can only think of one reason why.

There's a gaggle of them in this together, at the venue on the night, and dispensing legal advice. If Maria goes, she could take a few with her.

Hopefully

Mrsmum · 30-05-2019 10:28pm

seligehgit wrote: »

That was brief.

Sounds like the loss of the chairmanship will be the sanction Fine Gael hope will to pacify an angry public.

A few weeks back, Claire Byrne Live did a piece on her programme about Insurance hikes for business people. Among the interested parties in the audience who spoke was the owner from Rathbeggan Lakes who said he was closing up his business because of insurance costs. There was another guy on who said his business insurance went from five grand to eight grand to - wait for it - twenty five grand in the last few years. The Minister for State, Michael D'arcy, he of the hoarse voice, was also on saying what the government was doing about this problem. At one point he said "the finest people are making claims because it is regarded as easy money". Not sure who he was referring to as "the finest people", perhaps Maria ! But within the context of the negative impact of insurance hikes for the leisure industry , it really doesn't look good for one member of the Government to be speaking about claiming being "easy money" and another member of government making a claim that very much looks like she's after easy money . As the saying goes, Caesar's wife has to be above suspicion. MB is very much under suspicion and therefore harmful to the FG brand.

Snow Garden · 30-05-2019 10:36pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is possible that she is the fall gal in all this. She was stupid and idiotic too. We all know this.

But to my mind those calling for her demise are reprehensible, as it appears to me that there is a gathering of the wolves against a certain cohort or something.

There are bigger fish to fry in this country now. OK sanction her but FGS do not try to be better than thou. That kind of hypocrisy gets me, and they are just jumping on the "vote for me" bandwagon. Ugh

Oh please quit the virtue signalling.

She was trying to sue a local business for up to 60,000 Euros.
It was a spurious claim. I would even say fraudulent.

She lied on legal documents.

She lied on the radio.

Her sense of entitlement has blinded her to right and wrong.

And you think she is the fall gal?

Please

odyssey06 · 30-05-2019 10:41pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Oh please quit the virtue signalling.

She was trying to sue a local business for up to 60,000 Euros.
It was a spurious claim. I would even say fraudulent.

She lied on legal documents.

She lied on the radio.

Her sense of entitlement has blinded her to right and wrong.

And you think she is the fall gal?
Please

Yep and we dont want a fall gal. We want a lightning rod. Even if she is thrown out of FG it means little unless there are real changes to the law here and consequences for the next chancer.

This is it · 30-05-2019 10:42pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is possible that she is the fall gal in all this. She was stupid and idiotic too. We all know this.

But to my mind those calling for her demise are reprehensible, as it appears to me that there is a gathering of the wolves against a certain cohort or something.

There are bigger fish to fry in this country now. OK sanction her but FGS do not try to be better than thou. That kind of hypocrisy gets me, and they are just jumping on the "vote for me" bandwagon. Ugh

There's a reason for that gathering and should the report confirm what the evidence points to, that this was a fraudulent claim, it should lead to her demise. We can't call on the government to sort out the insurance industry and claim culture in the country on one side and let this slide on the other.

Whataboutery is bullshît. If she has done wrong there needs to be repercussions.

Spanish Eyes · 30-05-2019 10:42pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Oh please quit the virtue signalling.

She was trying to sue a local business for up to 60,000 Euros.
It was a spurious claim. I would even say fraudulent.

She lied on legal documents.

She lied on the radio.

Her sense of entitlement has blinded her to right and wrong.

And you think she is the fall gal?

Please

OK I get your point, but she is not alone, and until there are hefty sanctions for spurious/fraudulent claims, it will go on, and on, and on. Tell me it won't.

My point was, this is a point scoring exercise from those who may/can be hypocritical. It is all about getting at your rival.

Wheeliebin30 · 30-05-2019 10:46pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Lied in the Dail, you know this, you've asked about 75 times any time her name is mentioned.

But a report came out after and said she did nothing wrong????

Snow Garden · 30-05-2019 10:50pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OK I get your point, but she is not alone, and until there are hefty sanctions for spurious/fraudulent claims, it will go on, and on, and on. Tell me it won't.

My point was, this is a point scoring exercise from those who may/can be hypocritical. It is all about getting at your rival.

I don't think any rival political party are stoking this up anymore than the angry public is. The taxpayer is paying for these fraudulent insurance claims.

Yeah I am hoping she is sanctioned AND gets kicked out of Fine Gael AND loses her seat in the next general election AND the government passes decent legislation to try and counteract the compo culture.

buried · 30-05-2019 10:50pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But a report came out after and said she did nothing wrong????

I'm after writing a report here now what says I don't need to come into work tomorrow and nothing wrong with that either

Suckit · 30-05-2019 10:51pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is possible that she is the fall gal in all this. She was stupid and idiotic too. We all know this.

But to my mind those calling for her demise are reprehensible, as it appears to me that there is a gathering of the wolves against a certain cohort or something.

There are bigger fish to fry in this country now. OK sanction her but FGS do not try to be better than thou. That kind of hypocrisy gets me, and they are just jumping on the "vote for me" bandwagon. Ugh

Bigger fish to fry, but if we start making good examples of what we refuse to let our elected TD's away with, it might make some of them think twice.

I have no doubt that she would still be suing with the original statement had she not been made public. I have zero sympathy for her, she will still earn a decent pension for the rest of her life or there abouts for the years that she has served as both as a councillor and a TD, and will probably be employed by another as a parliamentary assistant like she did her father and Marie Baker.

Making the three of them, the three that colluded to stop Naja Regan from running in the local elections, giving them an advantage.

Nasty pieces of work at every level.

McMurphy · 30-05-2019 10:54pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But a report came out after and said she did nothing wrong????

Have you a link to this report that said she did nothing wrong by lying in the Dail to her party and her Taosieach?

Link please.

Snow Garden · 30-05-2019 11:11pm

Suckit wrote: »

Where that goddam cctv footage.

I am actually quite surprised the CCTV footage has not been leaked. The Dean seem to have scruples. I would also think powerful forces have asked that it be destroyed now that the case is withdrawn.

ChikiChiki · 30-05-2019 11:13pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

I am actually quite surprised the CCTV footage has not been leaked. The Dean seem to have scruples. I would also think powerful forces have asked that it be destroyed now that the case is withdrawn.

A very powerful bargaining chip for the Dean Hotels owners and by default, they just need to be known to have the footage to send shivers through Leo. I'm sure the footage is securely locked away somewhere.

I think if i was just Maria Bailey in the footage it would be leaked by now as there would be nothing new to us. However my feeling is there are other TDs in it which would be enough to bring down the Government.

jon1981 · 30-05-2019 11:17pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OK I get your point, but she is not alone, and until there are hefty sanctions for spurious/fraudulent claims, it will go on, and on, and on. Tell me it won't.

My point was, this is a point scoring exercise from those who may/can be hypocritical. It is all about getting at your rival.

God forbid we should expect public representatives to set higher standards...

She got caught out ... she deserves to be made a point of.

Plumbthedepths · 30-05-2019 11:20pm

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

But a report came out after and said she did nothing wrong????

Did the report clear her of misleading the Dail? Did clear her if misleading the Taoiseach?

Idbatterim · 30-05-2019 11:24pm

what do those FG morons plan on doing about this criminality? the fraudulent claims... They've been in power over eight years, so nothing I take it?

Plumbthedepths · 30-05-2019 11:29pm

Idbatterim wrote:

what do those FG morons plan on doing about this criminality? the fraudulent claims... They've been in power over eight years, so nothing I take it?

Maria Bailey has thought us that FG are utter hypocrites when it comes to insurance claims, remember Alan Farrell (FG) TD.

McMurphy · 30-05-2019 11:31pm

https://twitter.com/AkaPaulHoward/status/1134032773877047296?s=19

recedite · 30-05-2019 11:32pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Have you a link to this report that said she did nothing wrong by lying in the Dail to her party and her Taosieach?

Link please.

Perhaps the mystery report is something cooked up by Mad Joe the Culture Vulture Minister?
FG colleague, legal advisor, and possibly even a long lost cousin of the much maligned Ms. Bailey

Idbatterim · 30-05-2019 11:43pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Maria Bailey has thought us that FG are utter hypocrites when it comes to insurance claims, remember Alan Farrell (FG) TD.

Can the dean not counter sue for damage to their reputation or for a false claim ?

Tin Foil Hat · 30-05-2019 11:59pm

I surprised that there is no mention of a Garda investigation into this.
There is a clear whiff of a fraudulent claim here.

Plumbthedepths · 31-05-2019 12:35am

Idbatterim wrote:

Can the dean not counter sue for damage to their reputation or for a false claim ?

They can sue for their costs incurred by MBs claim up till she withdraw her claim. That's my understanding in any case.

cj maxx · 31-05-2019 12:43am

Idbatterim wrote: »

Can the dean not counter sue for damage to their reputation or for a false claim ?

Probably but it’s huge promotion for them. I bet it’s busier than usual because of this

Millionaire only not · 31-05-2019 3:48am

The usual they’ll be asked to leave in interest of Fine Gael. They’ll leave run as an independent get every vote going come back when parties are stuck form a government. Omg the thought of it she might be back as a minister yet .

AngryHippie · 31-05-2019 5:02am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Or the guy in Australia who sued himself and won. He threw a boomerang and it came back and hit him. He sued himself for negligence and injury and won. His insurance company had to give him a huge payout. Clever of him.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/goes-around-litigates-around/

Basic stuff Reg. Never happened.

He would be laughed out of an Australian Court.

Lucy8080 · 31-05-2019 5:12am

I think if i was just Maria Bailey in the footage it would be leaked by now as there would be nothing new to us. However my feeling is there are other TDs in it which would be enough to bring down the Government.[/QUOTE]

It would be worse if there was a friend, in the legal profession, in the footage.Now,that would be a bad scenario!

Nevertheless,when people fcuk up,I'm kind of inclined to wonder if we are losing a skill by punishing them in all area's of their life.

I haven't paid much attention to this case,only the locals can say if they feel she was worth her vote or not.

Whoever advised her,and whatever way she translated that advice...that was the big mistake.

She took of her political hat in that moment and has caused herself more personal suffering than the physical fall ever did.

AngryHippie · 31-05-2019 6:00am

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Nevertheless,when people fcuk up,I'm kind of inclined to wonder if we are losing a skill by punishing them in all area's of their life.

Special Skill : Landing ? (First time on her bum, this time, up to her neck)

Areas of Expertise : Gravity, gravitational abuse, friction, memory loss, soft tissue injury, Hyperfiscal recovery treatments, Denial, entitlement and our favourite......Sean.

and of course....English....listed as her only accomplishment ?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariabaileytd/?originalSubdomain=ie

She is the worst kind of public official. Very easy to vote for, but if you got a hold of her diary and had a look at what she does, you'd be asking for your money back......she fills a seat. (and sometimes takes an excursion to the floor)

Trigger Happy · 31-05-2019 6:12am

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Whoever advised her,and whatever way she translated that advice...that was the big mistake.

This could be the next big story out of this. Who advised her?
Because if it was Josepha Madigan TD whose law firm represents Maria Bailey then that will be another Fine Gael potential casualty. She is in my constituency and viewed as a bit of a rising star apparently.

Madigan resigned from the family lawfirm in 2017 which is some time after Bailey launched her action. And she has been very silent on this whole subject.

McMurphy · 31-05-2019 7:31am

Madigan should be 'candid' on swing fall case - Martin

The indo have the whiff of blood in their nostrils.

Stop moaning ffs · 31-05-2019 7:55am

I think she was a bit drunk on the radio too.

The important thing to watch out for when the footage leaks is the bottle of beer and wine.

Bet you she doesn’t spill a drop of either when she falls

mikeymouse · 31-05-2019 8:19am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I think she was a bit drunk on the radio too.

The important thing to watch out for when the footage leaks is the bottle of beer and wine.

Bet you she doesn’t spill a drop of either when she falls

A sure sign she was very very drunk

31-05-2019 8:28am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

A very powerful bargaining chip for the Dean Hotels owners and by default, they just need to be known to have the footage to send shivers through Leo. I'm sure the footage is securely locked away somewhere.

I think if i was just Maria Bailey in the footage it would be leaked by now as there would be nothing new to us. However my feeling is there are other TDs in it which would be enough to bring down the Government.

Does anyone know why the dean kept the cctv footage in the first place? Was it because Bailey and her friends went down to reception looking for plasters?

What would be normal timescale for an hotels cctv to be recorded over?

Stop moaning ffs · 31-05-2019 8:38am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Does anyone know why the dean kept the cctv footage in the first place? Was it because Bailey and her friends went down to reception looking for plasters?

What would be normal timescale for an hotels cctv to be recorded over?

I’d imagine any incidents reported would be time stamped and saved.

She asked for plasters

Then goes onto sue for 60k

jaysis

Bigus · 31-05-2019 8:51am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Does anyone know why the dean kept the cctv footage in the first place? Was it because Bailey and her friends went down to reception looking for plasters?

What would be normal timescale for an hotels cctv to be recorded over?

Hotels and pubs would invest (big money)in extra hard drives to keep stuff 3 years before the cloud , as claims can arise in this time scale.

Yurt2 · 31-05-2019 8:56am

Is the cost of this Senior Counsel investigation being borne by Johnny and Mary taxpayer or is it coming out of FG's pockets?

He doesn't need a barrister to make a decision on this, sit her down in his office in Kildare Street (and have Josepha waiting outside the door for follow up questions). Don't like what you hear? Drop-kick her out of the party.

JPCN1 · 31-05-2019 9:00am

Yurt! wrote: »

Is the cost of this Senior Counsel investigation being borne by Johnny and Mary taxpayer or is it coming out of FG's pockets?

He doesn't need a barrister to make a decision on this, sit her down in his office in Kildare Street (and have Josepha waiting outside the door for follow up questions). Don't like what you hear? Drop-kick her out of the party.

That would take leadership so won't be happening sadly.

The Rape of Lucretia · 31-05-2019 9:00am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Madigan should be 'candid' on swing fall case - Martin

The indo have the whiff of blood in their nostrils.

It's quite repulsive. It's the Indo though. One should expect no better. Gutter press at its worst. They should let it rest now until FG makes a statement following the review of the matter, and not just fill a fortnight with fiction, innuendo, and groundless speculation.

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Masala · 31-05-2019 9:02am

But ..... the Dean are not negligent. What is her case based on?? Shiny seat ... is that negligent???? No supervision of adults???? Is there a precedent??

I can't see how she was going to succeed in this case.....

The Rape of Lucretia · 31-05-2019 9:05am

JPCN1 wrote: »

That would take leadership so won't be happening sadly.

Leadership is what is being shown here.

Yurt! wrote: »

He doesn't need a barrister to make a decision on this, sit her down in his office in Kildare Street (and have Josepha waiting outside the door for follow up questions). Don't like what you hear? Drop-kick her out of the party.

You just can't do that. Really, that's just amateur hour and is no way to conduct matters. Mr. Varadkar is very well briefed on how and how not to handle it, and is doing so correctly. That the baying mob thinks that kind of trigger happy action is the way to go speaks of nothing but their own ignorance.

Deebles McBeebles · 31-05-2019 9:15am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Mr. Varadkar is very well briefed on how and how not to handle it

Very doubtful. He's getting his advice from highly paid civil servants.

31-05-2019 9:17am

Jamiekelly wrote: »

It must be a lonely existence, purposely seeking to be the biggest contrarian in the room regardless of the facts. I actually feel very sorry for you at this stage. Well over six thousand posts of utter rubbish just to try and get a reaction. Do you not have a life to live or is this some sort of fetish?

they may be trolling, but the point is fundamentally valid.

If FG try to kick her out without following their own rules and fair procedures, they'll find themselves in the High Court. Bailey is nothing if not litigious.

Yurt2 · 31-05-2019 9:21am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

they may be trolling, but the point is fundamentally valid.

If FG try to kick her out without following their own rules and fair procedures, they'll find themselves in the High Court. Bailey is nothing if not litigious.

I doubt that to be honest. The High-court would remain silent on the inner workings of a political party. We're talking about canning her from the party, not taking her Dail seat away (which he can't do).

LollipopJimmy · 31-05-2019 9:23am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The indo have the whiff of blood in their nostrils.

Don't blame them, she went on national radio to try paint them as a monster.

mikeymouse · 31-05-2019 9:24am

Militiades getting into bed with Lucretia? well,well

ohnonotgmail · 31-05-2019 9:24am

Yurt! wrote: »

I doubt that to be honest. The High-court would remain silent on the inner workings of a political party. We're talking about canning her from the party, not taking her Dail seat away (which he can't do).

FG have asked a SC to investigate on their behalf. Nothing to do with the High Court.

Stop moaning ffs · 31-05-2019 9:26am

On herself being litigious, I’m reminded that she never mentioned the indo or the journalist by name. She let Sean do it.

joe40 · 31-05-2019 9:26am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It's quite repulsive. It's the Indo though. One should expect no better. Gutter press at its worst. They should let it rest now until FG makes a statement following the review of the matter, and not just fill a fortnight with fiction, innuendo, and groundless speculation.

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That piece is just a collection of comments made by various politicians.

Is the actual quotes that you find repulsive?

I expected to read an opinion piece.

Yurt2 · 31-05-2019 9:28am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

FG have asked a SC to investigate on their behalf. Nothing to do with the High Court.

I know, the other poster suggested that Bailey would try to land FG in the High Court if they moved to expel her from the party.

My point is that the High Court would likely remain silent on the matter and perhaps refuse to hear it. The courts will not intervene on such matters unless perhaps the individual was discriminated against in one of the protected categories of identity.

Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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