Beggars sitting outside shops

ShatterAlan · 12-10-2020 4:49pm

kravmaga wrote: »

They are SLOVAK, I was on a Ryanair flight a few weeks ago from Bratislava to Dublin. Ive travelled all over the Czech republic and Poland on various hols, did not see many roma there. Have never been to Hungary, so cant comment.

Early morning flight , we arrived at Bratislava airport at 06:30am.

Walked in side to get a coffee and low and behold its full of roma gypos.

Teeth missing, some had gold teeth, cheap ear rings, the women wearing the typical long dresses , black hair.

I couldnt believe it, all going to DUBLIN.

It got worse when we took our seats they were all seated around us, Id say about 25 of them, like a team, all in high spirits, laughing joking , sharing sambos and crisps, drinks with each other, they were speaking in there own ****ty roma language.

Low and behold when aircraft lands at Dublin they all clap and laugh, then revert into speaking in English.

None of them were aware of the HSE Covid Passenger locater forms and were trying to fill in at the last minute before approaching INIS-Immigration booths. A male was refused entry for no form filled out in front of me just threw his hands up and walked back to get another form.

Some were stopped and taken by immigration for further questioning. But the majority got through, I waited with the gf to see.

Seems Dublin is a popular destination for them. No wonder the city is crawling with them, seems to be teams arriving in large numbers.

And if the recent edition of Crimecall showing roma females in large groups fleecing a retailer/toy shop in a rural town recently is anything to go by.

Its just going to get worse, 37,500 of them in Irelands according to Eurostat. Only 3,000 here in 2004. Do the math.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/5/10/life-in-slovakias-roma-slums-poverty-and-segregation#:~:text=Numbering%20half%20a%20million%20and,ethnic%20minority%20in%20the%20country.

So what's your solution to people legitimately coming to Ireland from another EU country?

I'm betting that you are happy to accept money from the EU to develop the country but not so delighted with other "benefits" of EU membership such as the free movement of people.

12-10-2020 4:59pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I fail to see how the persons conducting that count could have traversed every single, street, park, bridge, overpass, alleyway, etc. in the city in one night.
............

Indeed, it's likely inaccurate "The Official Winter Rough Sleeper Count was carried out on the night of 26 November into the morning of 27 November 2019" ........... but to be fair I was just posting it as someone mentioned they'd read it and I remember reading it also.

As inaccurate as it may be I doubt it's out by a factor of two or anything........ the folk doing the count would be liaising with the groups giving out food etc so they'd not be total novices in knowing where rough sleepers sleep.

corner of hells · 12-10-2020 5:02pm

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, it's likely inaccurate "The Official Winter Rough Sleeper Count was carried out on the night of 26 November into the morning of 27 November 2019" ........... but to be fair I was just posting it as someone mentioned they'd read it and I remember reading it also.

As inaccurate as it may be I doubt it's out by a factor of two or anything........ the folk doing the count would be liaising with the groups giving out food etc so they'd not be total novices in knowing where rough sleepers sleep.

I've done it myself a few times , it's as accurate as can be bearing in mind the issues rough sleepers present with .

12-10-2020 5:11pm

Strumms wrote: »

To be honest , they should be bothered if he is bothering customers in a borderline aggressive and intimidating manner. They can’t be oblivious it’s on their premises.

I can empathize, as it must be gravely difficult being in his situation but I know of one other guy who id regularly help out in the city who is just polite and not hassling people.

If I had a business on a property where somebody was using my premises, intimidating people and getting lippy with customers for not helping him the only thing he’d be getting is a one way ticket away from there.

Well, that's their choice I guess

riclad · 12-10-2020 5:14pm

Theres certain places they sleep in that are quiet ,if you cycle round dublin every morning you,ll see at least 5 tents where they sleep,
most of them have a just sleeping bag,.
In some american citys they have given over whole hotels to provide rooms for homeless people .
some people do not want to go to hostels and prefer to sleep on the streets .
i dont see them blocking the door .who is going to tell a homeless person to wear a mask.
we have loads of empty hotel rooms , since theres very tourists coming to ireland.

12-10-2020 5:22pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I've done it myself a few times , it's as accurate as can be bearing in mind the issues rough sleepers present with .

I'd not seen your post when I replied, your answer is the facts of what I was guessing. Thank you for the factual detail.

Antares35 · 12-10-2020 5:42pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Who says they are more important and what's this talk about them being "given" a house?

Nobody in Ireland just gets given a house.

That old line is always trotted out. They "take our jobs" too even though during the Celtic tiger, you couldn't find an Irish person doing a "menial" job because it was beneath them. They are "given houses" and there's usually something about them "leaving brand new buggies at the bus stop because they can just claim a new one". Probably "takin our wimmin" too

It's that old "look after our own first" angst from people who don't really give a hoot about anyone, "our own" or otherwise.

bmc58 · 12-10-2020 5:52pm

humberklog wrote: »

Pain in the hole and it's getting way worse.

I live on the Northside of Dublin and in my area they're outside every Spar and petrol station and a lot of shopping centres every day. And before anyone calls them "Homeless" they're not. There's 8 regular beggars in my area outside shops and all of them live in the modern apartment complexes beside me.

Whatever about those on the public pavement outside Spars (with Gardai almost having to step over them to get into the shop) how come they're not ran off petrol station forecourts and shopping centre entrances?

I've chatted to the housing association that house these beggars and they say whilst their case workers are disappointed in their behaviour there's nothing they can do about it.

The people I get most annoyed with is the people that regularly give money to them (and don't kid yourself- they don't want food or coffee). They are actively maintaining the problem.

Some of your points are totally correct.BUT in my town there are an orginased group of Romanians who are regulary driven into town early in the morning to take up their places to beg for the day.These are orginised without question.But there are a few sad locals who have succumbed to the drug scourge and are homeless and are desperate.I give nothing to the Romanians but I always give a couple of euros to the locals who I know are(sadly) genuine.

Strumms · 12-10-2020 5:56pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Well, that's their choice I guess

Absolutly... as is my choice to take my business elsewhere which i think ill be doing..

ShatterAlan · 12-10-2020 6:00pm

corner of hells wrote: »

That's the official DRHE rough sleepers count out twice a year.Its probably the most accurate count of all.Full time DCC staff, homeless service social care workers and experienced volunteers participate.
Its planned about six weeks or so in advance and around about a hundred + people count.
You are given specific areas to count in , you might be asked to count the GPO side of O Connell street and the streets/lane immediately behind it.
Another will count in neighbouring streets and lanes and so on.You only count in your specific area.
You also count people bedded down, evidence of somebody bedded down and if you meet someone you know is homeless through the area and very clearly differentiate what you say.

Obviously use your common sense and dont enter or count in a dangerous area.

It is by far the most accurate count.

You can volunteer or you may asked to take part.

Appreciate the feedback. I often wonder why homeless people choose where they do to bunk down for the night. I would be terrified to sleep in the doorway of a main business street. I understand that shelter from the rain is a priority hence sleeping in a place under an awning or some kind of protection but there must be thousands of spots in the city where you could be sheltered and not have the worry of some thug attacking you or urinating on you in your sleep. I think I would sneak into the grounds of a church after dark and hopefully find a dry spot. It would be quiet and no passersby to fcuk with you. You wouldn't have the cacophony of delivery trucks and stuff like that rumbling around you at 7am.

I would challenge anyone to take to the streets for a few weeks and practise what they preach. You have the clothes on your back, a sleeping bag and maybe 5 or 10 euros. You can't call any rich uncle for help to put you up in the Shelbourne. Your first 3 nights you HAVE to sleep rough. So the 10 euros goes towards something to eat. After that it's beginning to get dark and you need to find a place to sleep. You've called the freefone number but it's too late because all the available beds are taken. So you decide on the GPO. You don't get a wink of sleep (try sleeping on your kitchen floor with the doors open, the lights on and the radio playing...but at least you won't have to worry about getting kicked in the head by drunken scrotes going home from the club in your kitchen). You get up at 8am, shivering, knackered and nauseous. Oh and now you need to take a massive sh1t. Where does that happen? You try McDonallds but security refuse you entry. You try a few more places with the same result and eventually resort to a back alley. Newspaper to do the wiping. 3 or 4 days of that and you're going to look and smell pretty ripe. But now it's time to get one of those jobs that are so easy to come by. Do you rock up to the IFSC and stroll into the lobby of JP Morgan and ask for an application form? Walk into a restaurant, bar, retail outlet? Good luck with that.In the meantime you need money for food. Where does that come from. So you get a free sandwich and a cup of tea/soup...great. Try living on tea and a processed sandwich with no fruit or vegetables for a few days and see how you look. See how your skin is, your bowels, your eyes. Then go for that interview stinking to high heaven with no fixed abode.

I'm sure they'll throw a 20 grand signing-on bonus at you, replete with company car, use of the corporate box at Anfield and a generous remuneration package.

bmc58 · 12-10-2020 6:01pm

Strumms wrote: »

Absolutly... as is my choice to take my business elsewhere which i think ill be doing..

Why punish the shops? You can always ignore the beggars.

ShatterAlan · 12-10-2020 6:06pm

Antares35 wrote: »

That old line is always trotted out. They "take our jobs" too even though during the Celtic tiger, you couldn't find an Irish person doing a "menial" job because it was beneath them. They are "given houses" and there's usually something about them "leaving brand new buggies at the bus stop because they can just claim a new one". Probably "takin our wimmin" too

It's that old "look after our own first" angst from people who don't really give a hoot about anyone, "our own" or otherwise.

And "they" come here claiming all sorts of government handouts yet they "take our jobs".

Which is it now? They are working of they are sponging?

riclad · 12-10-2020 6:37pm

They go to a quiet lane , they also sleep in churchs or parks,
jump over a fence , put down a sleeping bag, use a bag as a pillow.
i see 3 tents every day, in the same place city centre area.
Many business, s are closed at the moment.
they don,t care if someone sleeps in a tent a car parking space .
i think 90 per cent of homeless ,go to a hostel, hostels open at 11.30pm,
people that sleep on the streets maybe do not like hostels .

i don,t know why a garage would allow someone to beg on private property on a forecourt
That might put off potential customers there to buy petrol

MarkY91 · 12-10-2020 6:53pm

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Who says they are more important and what's this talk about them being "given" a house?

Nobody in Ireland just gets given a house.

Ok tell me where these Gypsies are sleeping rough so. I bet you can't tell me. As all of them have a cosy home to go back to after being driven home from their begging.

Strumms · 12-10-2020 6:57pm

bmc58 wrote: »

Why punish the shops? You can always ignore the beggars.

How would I or anyone be punishing the shops ? I’m simply choosing not to shop or buy petrol there because they are permitting and encouraging an environment where an individual continues to abuse customers and ignore social distancing not just outside their shop, ON their property

. You can’t access the shop without passing within a foot of him. The individual was ignored by myself quite simply. Punishing ? NO, being choosy who I give my money to, yes.

I stopped going into a pub about 4 years ago which I otherwise liked to pop into after shopping in the city on a Saturday or Sunday evening because they were that short staffed behind the bar that from getting up to get a pint to returning to your seat was about 10 minutes. Barman was useless. He saw us waiting once, acknowledged us then continued to stack till rolls for about 3 minutes and then without an apology which in fairness wouldn’t have made a difference..requested our order , an American friend who had a background in the service industry who I was with was picking her jaw off the floor at this and despite being their first time there was “sorry, no thanks we’ll go elsewhere ”. ...

Always be picky where you spend your money, if the shop / pub or venue don’t enable your comfort and safety, money gets spent elsewhere.

bmc58 · 12-10-2020 7:01pm

Strumms wrote: »

How would I or anyone be punishing the shops ? I’m simply choosing not to shop or buy petrol there because they are permitting and encouraging an environment where an individual continues to abuse customers and ignore social distancing not just outside their shop, ON their property . You can’t access the shop without passing within a foot of him. The individual was ignored by myself quite simply. Punishing ? NO, being choosy who I give my money to, yes.

I stopped going into a pub about 4 years ago which I otherwise liked to pop into after shopping in the city on a Saturday or Sunday evening because they were that short staffed behind the bar that from getting up to get a pint to returning to your seat was about 10 minutes. Barman was useless. He saw us waiting once, acknowledged us then continued to stack till rolls for about 3 minutes and then without an apology which in fairness wouldn’t have made a difference..requested our order , an American friend who had a background in the service industry who I was with was picking her jaw off the floor at this and despite being their first time there was “sorry, no thanks we’ll go elsewhere ”. ...

Always be picky where you spend your money, if the shop / pub or venue don’t enable your comfort and safety, money gets spent elsewhere.

Well it's your money and you can spend it where you want.But a beggar outside a shop wouldn't stop me shopping there.

mfceiling · 12-10-2020 7:05pm

Antares35 wrote: »

even though during the Celtic tiger, you couldn't find an Irish person doing a "menial" job because it was beneath them.

That's not true. I worked on a lot of different construction projects during the boom and there were plenty of Irish people labouring, cooking in the canteens, doing the security on the gate.
Many hotels also had Irish staff changing the beds, housekeeping and working in the bars.

It's a bullshít statement that's trotted out all the time. Loads of foreign nationals in "menial" jobs but many Irish people also and who never would have thought it was beneath them.

bmc58 · 12-10-2020 7:11pm

Strumms wrote: »

How would I or anyone be punishing the shops ? I’m simply choosing not to shop or buy petrol there because they are permitting and encouraging an environment where an individual continues to abuse customers and ignore social distancing not just outside their shop, ON their property . You can’t access the shop without passing within a foot of him. The individual was ignored by myself quite simply. Punishing ? NO, being choosy who I give my money to, yes.

I stopped going into a pub about 4 years ago which I otherwise liked to pop into after shopping in the city on a Saturday or Sunday evening because they were that short staffed behind the bar that from getting up to get a pint to returning to your seat was about 10 minutes. Barman was useless. He saw us waiting once, acknowledged us then continued to stack till rolls for about 3 minutes and then without an apology which in fairness wouldn’t have made a difference..requested our order , an American friend who had a background in the service industry who I was with was picking her jaw off the floor at this and despite being their first time there was “sorry, no thanks we’ll go elsewhere ”. ...

Always be picky where you spend your money, if the shop / pub or venue don’t enable your comfort and safety, money gets spent elsewhere.

Well I've never felt threatened by a poor sad person begging out a shop.They are normally holding a coffee cup and and just ask "any loose change"?I don't see anything threatening with that.

corner of hells · 12-10-2020 7:55pm

riclad wrote: »

They go to a quiet lane , they also sleep in churchs or parks,
jump over a fence , put down a sleeping bag, use a bag as a pillow.
i see 3 tents every day, in the same place city centre area.
Many business, s are closed at the moment.
they don,t care if someone sleeps in a tent a car parking space .
i think 90 per cent of homeless ,go to a hostel, hostels open at 11.30pm,
people that sleep on the streets maybe do not like hostels .

i don,t know why a garage would allow someone to beg on private property on a forecourt
That might put off potential customers there to buy petrol

The majority of hostels or emergency accommodations are open 24hrs , theres not that many night shelters and all open well before 11.30pm.

12-10-2020 9:25pm

riclad wrote: »

Theres certain places they sleep in that are quiet ,if you cycle round dublin every morning you,ll see at least 5 tents where they sleep,
most of them have a just sleeping bag,.
In some american citys they have given over whole hotels to provide rooms for homeless people .
some people do not want to go to hostels and prefer to sleep on the streets .
i dont see them blocking the door .who is going to tell a homeless person to wear a mask.
we have loads of empty hotel rooms , since theres very tourists coming to ireland.

theres plenty of hotels and B&Bs being used. Gardiner Street for example is nearly all homeless now

riclad · 13-10-2020 12:34pm

If you see someone begging and they have a sleeping bag or a blanket
its very likely they are homeless .

ILoveYourVibes · 13-10-2020 2:00pm

StereoSound wrote: »

Can anything be done about them to move them on ?

To where exactly? Another shop? A park bench? Where?

They have as much right to be there as we.

Why are we so much better than they?

statesaver · 13-10-2020 2:16pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

To where exactly? Another shop? A park bench? Where?

They have as much right to be there as we.

Why are we so much better than they?

Maybe a DP centre.

ThewhiteJesus · 13-10-2020 2:19pm

millions of them up in the phoenix park in tents, and they leave rubbish everywhere, even though the council have left a load of bin bags for them on the gates. This more than anything else piss's me off about them.

ILoveYourVibes · 13-10-2020 2:21pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

millions of them up in the phoenix park in tents, and they leave rubbish everywhere, even though the council have left a load of bin bags for them on the gates. This more than anything else piss's me off about them.

That kind of happens when you don't have a home.

statesaver · 13-10-2020 2:30pm

Just because one is homeless does not mean one forgets how to use a bin.

ILoveYourVibes · 13-10-2020 2:54pm

statesaver wrote: »

Just because one is homeless does not mean one forgets how to use a bin.

Just so.

I would then wager there is something more to the situation than at first appears.

riclad · 13-10-2020 9:28pm

Maybe they prefer to sleep in a tent in a park then go to a hostel where some people are using drugs, there could be a risk of getting covid19 there's maybe a few 1000 homeless people in dublin.
Any woman with children will be living in a hotel

Antares35 · 14-10-2020 1:37am

mfceiling wrote: »

That's not true. I worked on a lot of different construction projects during the boom and there were plenty of Irish people labouring, cooking in the canteens, doing the security on the gate.
Many hotels also had Irish staff changing the beds, housekeeping and working in the bars.

It's a bullshít statement that's trotted out all the time. Loads of foreign nationals in "menial" jobs but many Irish people also and who never would have thought it was beneath them.

I was talking more about working in McDonalds etc.

14-10-2020 2:52am

MarkY91 wrote: »

Ok tell me where these Gypsies are sleeping rough so. I bet you can't tell me. As all of them have a cosy home to go back to after being driven home from their begging.

They pay rent, to a landlord.

Pretty obvious I would have thought.

mfceiling · 14-10-2020 6:45am

Antares35 wrote: »

I was talking more about working in McDonalds etc.

So working in McDonalds is a menial job but sweeping floors on a building site or changing beds in a hotel isn't?
McDonalds have plenty of Irish people working in it and are great employers to help their staff progress to supervisor/management roles.

Try again.

Mules · 14-10-2020 7:50am

I know a woman living in a homeless hub with her kids. She said it's full of drug addicts and always being raided. You can imagine what the overnight hostels are like if the hubs are that bad. All the same, my understanding is that people who sleep rough have very complex needs that go beyond not being able to pay rent.

MarkY91 · 14-10-2020 10:19am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

They pay rent, to a landlord.

Pretty obvious I would have thought.

So why are they begging on the street if they can afford to pay rent? Can't you back your claim up with proof that they're paying rent? Where do they get the money for rent? Definitely not by working.

ShatterAlan · 14-10-2020 10:57am

MarkY91 wrote: »

Ok tell me where these Gypsies are sleeping rough so. I bet you can't tell me. As all of them have a cosy home to go back to after being driven home from their begging.

Are you a bit simple or something?

I could wait for the penny to drop but with you that could be a long time.

So I'll try to help you along here. Question: Does everyone in Ireland who lives in a house or flat just get given that house or flat?

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ShatterAlan · 14-10-2020 11:08am

MarkY91 wrote: »

So why are they begging on the street if they can afford to pay rent? Can't you back your claim up with proof that they're paying rent? Where do they get the money for rent? Definitely not by working.

What difference does it make WHERE they get the fcuking money from?

They are not gifted a house as you have tried to assert.

FFS.

Sephiroth_dude · 14-10-2020 11:13am

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Are you a bit simple or something?

I could wait for the penny to drop but with you that could be a long time.

So I'll try to help you along here. Question: Does everyone in Ireland who lives in a house or flat just get given that house or flat?

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14-10-2020 12:47pm

MarkY91 wrote: »

So why are they begging on the street if they can afford to pay rent? Can't you back your claim up with proof that they're paying rent? Where do they get the money for rent? Definitely not by working.

You are very angry.

How prey tell could I back it up with evidence? What, realistically could I produce? I can only speak from experience dealing with them. Plenty sharing places in Dublin 1 and 7.

I don't believe any proof has been produced that they are claiming welfare and free houses either, has it?

They get the money for rent from begging of course. I dare say a bit of stealing from time to time as well. I don't recall saying otherwise.

14-10-2020 1:31pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

.........

They get the money for rent from begging of course. I dare say a bit of stealing from time to time as well. I don't recall saying otherwise.

......... a large bit of HAP I'd imagine also.

riclad · 14-10-2020 1:36pm

if you are homeless or living in a hse hostel you do not have to pay rent .
I think some beggars are homeless ,some are young people who need money to buy drugs or drink.
Since most young people dress in a similar casual style, jeans ,hoody, sneakers
its hard to tell if someone is homeless or not.
A homeless person will probably Not be wearing 500 Euro nike sneakers but i tend to just go into the shop .
i do not want to get close to anyone who is not wearing a mask in public .
I get young people walking up to me , saying have you got a euro,
they are very well dressed ,they look the same as the average young person on youtube .

14-10-2020 2:37pm

Augeo wrote: »

......... a large bit of HAP I'd imagine also.

Again no. I dunno why it needs to be repeated constantly but Gypsies and in fact no person can just rock into Ireland and voila, welfare.

I know biased propaganda would have us believe that but its not true. I am married to a foreign national, my children are not Irish. Its not that simple.

Very few Gypsies have PPS numbers because they have no interest in legitimate work and want to stay off the official radar. Its a mission to obtain their Romanian (Or other) ID cards off them sometimes.

Now if they really thought longterm, they could arrive with money in the bank and a place in a language school, get a PPS and then get a job long enough to qualify for welfare. Possible some do but they arent the ones I have met

riclad wrote: »

if you are homeless or living in a hse hostel you do not have to pay rent .

Thats incorrect. While the rate is very very low, there is a nominal fee involved for single people to obtain a place in a homeless shelter outside of the emergency ones. Theres also a curfew or the bed goes elsewhere.

corner of hells · 14-10-2020 4:48pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Again no. I dunno why it needs to be repeated constantly but Gypsies and in fact no person can just rock into Ireland and voila, welfare.

I know biased propaganda would have us believe that but its not true. I am married to a foreign national, my children are not Irish. Its not that simple.

Very few Gypsies have PPS numbers because they have no interest in legitimate work and want to stay off the official radar. Its a mission to obtain their Romanian (Or other) ID cards off them sometimes.

Now if they really thought longterm, they could arrive with money in the bank and a place in a language school, get a PPS and then get a job long enough to qualify for welfare. Possible some do but they arent the ones I have met

Thats incorrect. While the rate is very very low, there is a nominal fee involved for single people to obtain a place in a homeless shelter outside of the emergency ones. Theres also a curfew or the bed goes elsewhere.

Correct , you have to pay rent in hostels , its between 50 and 70 or so euros a week.STA , TEA type hostels etc.
Theres not actually curfews , you may be asked to account for yourself if staying out on a regular basis.

If you book a bed in a One night only hostel your bed may be given back to the freephone.

I think the nominal charge is gone now , used to be 4.50.

14-10-2020 5:11pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Correct , you have to pay rent in hostels , its between 50 and 70 or so euros a week.STA , TEA type hostels etc.
Theres not actually curfews , you may be asked to account for yourself if staying out on a regular basis.

If you book a bed in a One night only hostel your bed may be given back to the freephone.

I think the nominal charge is gone now , used to be 4.50.

You could be right on the 4.50. I shall enquire next time I think of it.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 14-10-2020 5:22pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’d always throw them a couple of quid, if I have it. If not a simple ‘sorry, I’ve no change’ will suffice.

These people are on one of the lowest “rungs” of society. Firing a few coins their way is the least I can do.

No theyre not, if you took the time some day and waited around until they were leaving, you'd see them getting into a nice big car (usually Mercs/BMW) and being driven home to their house/flat. The vast majority of beggars are not poor and thrive on people like you. Do you think a single one of them would give you a single cent if you were begging on the street? Not a chance, they wouldn't look twice at you.

14-10-2020 6:08pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

No theyre not, if you took the time some day and waited around until they were leaving, you'd see them getting into a nice big car (usually Mercs/BMW) and being driven home to their house/flat. The vast majority of beggars are not poor and thrive on people like you. Do you think a single one of them would give you a single cent if you were begging on the street? Not a chance, they wouldn't look twice at you.

You can prove your point without exaggerating. Thats where you lose people. Most are not getting into high spec German cars unless its 20 years old and wouldnt pass an NCT to save the drivers life.

Antares35 · 14-10-2020 7:43pm

mfceiling wrote: »

So working in McDonalds is a menial job but sweeping floors on a building site or changing beds in a hotel isn't?
McDonalds have plenty of Irish people working in it and are great employers to help their staff progress to supervisor/management roles.

Try again.

I'm not getting into a merits debate with you on what constitutes a menial job.

messrs · 15-10-2020 9:43am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

theres plenty of hotels and B&Bs being used. Gardiner Street for example is nearly all homeless now

Staycity apartments Augustine Street also taken over by DCC for homeless people

corner of hells · 15-10-2020 11:48am

messrs wrote: »

Staycity apartments Augustine Street also taken over by DCC for homeless people

As a coccooning service.

messrs · 15-10-2020 2:55pm

corner of hells wrote: »

As a coccooning service.

No not for cocooning. DCC have for the past few years had a number of them apartments taken for homeless but now they have the whole building for them

riclad · 15-10-2020 5:21pm

There are people living in tents on the street s,
there are people sleeping on the streets at night with just a sleeping bag .why are they not living in a hotel.
i presume its because they use drugs or else the do not want to live with other people,
hotels for the hotels have rules,
you have to go out at 12 noon, you need to come back before 11.30 pm.
does each homeless person get one room to themselves.
i do not know .

Spanish Eyes · 15-10-2020 6:14pm

messrs wrote: »

No not for cocooning. DCC have for the past few years had a number of them apartments taken for homeless but now they have the whole building for them

Why are DCC not obliged to reserve 10% for private rental. Seems to be obligatory the other way around.

A tongue in cheek observation, obviously.

Beggars sitting outside shops

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