Beggars sitting outside shops

Rothko

1990sman wrote: »

but the permutations are boundless...


"just" to annoy people


just "to" annoy people


just to "annoy" people


just to annoy "people"




endless fun

Now, you're just taking the "piss".

Witcher

paul71 wrote: »

It may be organised but its not a crime, I never give any beggar money, but as other posters have said I have given a ham sandwich or a cup of coffee, any money I give is given to the Simon Community.

I think you'll find it is;

Section 5, Criminal Justice (Public Order), Act 2011

A person who—

(a) controls or directs the actions of another person for the purposes of begging,

(b) organises or is materially involved in the organisation of begging by another person,

(c) forces another person to beg, or

(d) otherwise causes another person to beg,

is guilty of an offence

paul71

Witcher wrote: »

I think you'll find it is;

Section 5, Criminal Justice (Public Order), Act 2011

Good luck with that, it would be easier to prosecute under the tax acts.

Sephiroth_dude

paul71 wrote: »

It may be organised but its not a crime, I never give any beggar money, but as other posters have said I have given a ham sandwich or a cup of coffee, any money I give is given to the Simon Community.

People literally go around collecting the money from the beggars during the day, that shouldn't be allowed.

1990sman

yeah they should make them illegal again.

paul71

paul71 wrote: »

It may be organised but its not a crime, I never give any beggar money, but as other posters have said I have given a ham sandwich or a cup of coffee, any money I give is given to the Simon Community.

It's a perfect example of organised crime.

MarkY91

Mad how we can give homes and dole to these Roma Gypsies that beg on the street but we can barely even give a bed in a hostel to homeless Irish people.

Crazy oul country. Absolute madness.

pgj2015

I was pissed one night walking home in Dublin city, I woke this homeless man up on O Connell bridge and asked him did he want any money, he said yes please, so I gave him a load of ones and twos I had after the night out, he was a gentleman and was very thankful, like I had woke him up and it was winter, it probably wasn't easy to get to sleep in those conditions.

Wanderer78

MarkY91 wrote: »

Mad how we can give homes and dole to these Roma Gypsies that beg on the street but we can barely even give a bed in a hostel to homeless Irish people.

Crazy oul country. Absolute madness.

yup, those scary foreigners are definitely to blame for all of our social issues regarding homelessness

Mules

I find the chuggers are the worst of all. You can't blame heroin addicts for wanting money to pay for their addiction but the chuggers have no excuse. Those feckers put me off giving, especially the ones that want your bank details.

Wanderer78

Mules wrote: »

I find the chuggers are the worst of all. You can't blame heroin addicts for wanting money to pay for their addiction but the chuggers have no excuse. Those feckers put me off giving, especially the ones that want your bank details.

...or maybe we have serious wealth distribution issues, leading to the existence of the 'chuggers'?

MarkY91

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yup, those scary foreigners are definitely to blame for all of our social issues regarding homelessness

I never said they were in any way to blame. I simply just can't understand how they're treated better than homeless Irish people.... In Ireland.

Would you like to explain why?


Edit: and please don't bring Syrian refugees into this if you want to go on a rant about fleeing a war torn county. Explain why a Gypsy from Eastern Europe is more important in Ireland than an Irish person.

Wanderer78

MarkY91 wrote: »

I never said they were in any way to blame. I simply just can't understand how they're treated better than homeless Irish people.... In Ireland.

Would you like to explain why?

are they really?

MarkY91

Wanderer78 wrote: »

are they really?

Have you ever seen those Gypsy women sleep rough? Genuine question.

I have only ever seen Irish people sleep rough. The Gypsies are sleeping safe and sound in their warm bed.

Kylta

MarkY91 wrote: »

Have you ever seen those Gypsy women sleep rough? Genuine question.

I have only ever seen Irish people sleep rough. The Gypsies are sleeping safe and sound in their warm bed.

I agree with you there they specialist in organise begging. I have seen this. And now I expect to be called a racist for speaking the truth.

Topgear on Dave

We have an indigenous Roma community now. They're not all foreign.

MarkY91

Kylta wrote: »

I agree with you there they specialist in organise begging. I have seen this. And now I expect to be called a racist for speaking the truth.

Nobody can share an opinion these days without being some sort of "ist". PC culture has taken over.

riclad

I give no money to beggars ,i think they spend it on beer or cigarettes ,
I See a young roma woman begging with A Sign ,help ,need money for food,
thats a lie, 400 yards away theres a cafe where they give out free dinners everyday to anyone that shows up.if theres someone homeless they can acess
hostels .some people with drug issues may choose to live on the streets .
i cannot think of a reason to give money to a beggar in ireland.
if you want to help buy someone a roll or a bottle of water .
if anyone lives in ireland they can apply for a welfare payment if they are not working .
i know a young man in his 20,s ,sometimes he begs .
He spends 5 hours a day playing counter strike in an internet cafe.he is well dressed ,i do,nt know if he is homeless .

Kylta

There are people who beg who don't need to beg, thats a fact I actually know onehis outside my local spar. He's better dressed than I am and his actually spotless. I give fu¢k all. Because he's a professional beggar
Then you have the addiction crowd, most want money to score first or get a drink, I might on occasion which is very rare give them anything unless I know them. (The problem with that is they then think your an easy touch, so in the end you have tell them to fu©k off).
Then you have the people early in the morning outside shops begging for their breakfast, and I'd drop them a coin and a sambo. No problem,
Then you have this ethnic foreign begging clan who organise begging. I have seen this first hand. To elaborate would take to long.
My pet hate is the aggressive beggar (these are far and few between) but I seen one put the hammer on an old woman one day, she actually handed him a euro but he was adamant he wanted more, the old lady said no thats all she had, so he became very aggressive with her (I sure he had mental issue's). So I ran him and he got nothing of her in the end. Every now and again he approaches me begging, and I say remember the old woman and he fu¢ks off.
And then there's the young girl/guy I need a fiver for a bed for the night, I'm homeless.

Any way I don't think I left out any of the begging groups

Mules

Wanderer78 wrote: »

...or maybe we have serious wealth distribution issues, leading to the existence of the 'chuggers'?

We definitely have uneven wealth distribution worldwide. It's a bit off topic but I remember back during the recession the commodities markets also fluctuated wildly. Investors speculating on the prices of grain caused farmers in 1st world countries to lose their livelihoods and led to famine in 3rd world countries. Speculating on food shouldn't be allowed. I was very surprised it was.

TaurenDruid

MarkY91 wrote: »

Nobody can share an opinion these days without being some sort of "ist". PC culture has taken over.

"I was reading a book yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”

Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.

You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening.

I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”

~ Neil Gaiman

Mules

Kylta wrote: »

There are people who beg who don't need to beg, thats a fact I actually know onehis outside my local spar. He's better dressed than I am and his actually spotless. I give fu¢k all. Because he's a professional beggar
Then you have the addiction crowd, most want money to score first or get a drink, I might on occasion which is very rare give them anything unless I know them. (The problem with that is they then think your an easy touch, so in the end you have tell them to fu©k off).
Then you have the people early in the morning outside shops begging for their breakfast, and I'd drop them a coin and a sambo. No problem,
Then you have this ethnic foreign begging clan who organise begging. I have seen this first hand. To elaborate would take to long.
My pet hate is the aggressive beggar (these are far and few between) but I seen one put the hammer on an old woman one day, she actually handed him a euro but he was adamant he wanted more, the old lady said no thats all she had, so he became very aggressive with her (I sure he had mental issue's). So I ran him and he got nothing of her in the end. Every now and again he approaches me begging, and I say remember the old woman and he fu¢ks off.
And then there's the young girl/guy I need a fiver for a bed for the night, I'm homeless.

Any way I don't think I left out any of the begging groups

It's the roma beggars that annoy me because begging is part of their culture, it's their version of making a wage. Whereas at least with Irish people you know something has gone wrong in their life that they've got in that situation.

Mules

TaurenDruid wrote: »

"I was reading a book yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”

Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.

You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening.

I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”

~ Neil Gaiman

Treating people with respect is good. It's when things get fuzzy like doing or saying something shouldn't be allowed because it might be offensive that is a bit dodgy. It seems that the people who are in to it that way are just authoritarian and don't really represent minorities. They always seem to be non minorities from what i can see.

Kylta

I belief a spade should be called a spade (no pun intended) when were dealing with criminal elements disregarding whether their irish, romanians, nigerians. I totally disagree with people using the race card for leniency.

And where did the begging thread go

Nexytus

I think the obvious solution would be to have some sort of means test and periodic assessment following on from which a Certificate of Authenticity is
issued. This would valid for a specified period and would have to be prominently
displayed at the begging site. Potential donors are allowed to examine the Certificate and put any questions they feel necessary to the prospective beggar.

barney shamrock

I used to throw beggars a couple of coins until I noticed they had mobile phones and more expensive footwear than mine hidden under their blankets.

Das Reich

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

I’d always throw them a couple of quid, if I have it. If not a simple ‘sorry, I’ve no change’ will suffice.

These people are on one of the lowest “rungs” of society. Firing a few coins their way is the least I can do.

Can’t win with the misers on here. Don’t give tok “organised” charities because they waste it on wages, don’t give to beggars because they make you feel bad or they’re secretly millionaires.

My father is a beggar from 1972. All because my grandfather finded him a job when he was 25. Definately not lowest rungs of society as he have two sisters that are retired teachers, and the rest of the living brothers all well off.

LeBash

ShatterAlan wrote: »

It's a public space. They have every right to be there annoying as it may be. And the store managers don't have the authority to order ANYBODY to do anything. They don't have powers of arrest or to move people along from a public area.

Am I mistaken or was there not a law put in place that you couldn't beg (or whatever the correct pc term would be) within 10 meters of an open business?

dxhound2005

LeBash wrote: »

Am I mistaken or was there not a law put in place that you couldn't beg (or whatever the correct pc term would be) within 10 meters of an open business?

I don't think there is anything in the legislation. It would probably by too difficult for Gardai to know where the legal boundary lines are. There is a law governing "agressive" begging at any location.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2011/act/5/enacted/en/html

Ironman76

Tzardine wrote: »

I went into the Centra beside work a few weeks back (Dublin city).

I never give them anything. I dont even acknowledge them. They are a scourge.

But one of them stung me well the other day. Have to give him credit. He played the game well.

I was walking past him and got the usual any change speil. I said, sorry, dont carry any cash - you know the Covid situation and all.

He says to me - any chance of buying me a sandwich.

Smart ****er.

Its hard to turn down buying somebody some food if they say they are hungry. Even if they are a strung out drug user. So I bought him a sandwich.

Moral of the story - im going back to not acknowledging them.

Yeah not a hope of getting money off me but I’d struggle to refuse someone food, even if they were off their heads. I hate to see anyone go hungry.