Administrative Officer 2017 Campaign

The_Conductor · 22-09-2017 7:17am #1

New 2017 Campaign Announced this morning
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Closing date for applications is the 19th of October.

Best of good luck everyone!

Edit: Familiarisation / information booklet attached

Riskymove · 22-09-2017 9:40am

Just to add there is also a seperate campaign at AO level for Graduate Economists/EValuators launched today

https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/61531.htm

bronzesheep · 22-09-2017 9:16pm

Anyone know the full scale for this grade?

It has a starting salary listed as €31,221, but I can't spot the full scale in the information booklet.

Sparks15 · 22-09-2017 9:53pm

bronzesheep wrote: »

Anyone know the full scale for this grade?

It has a starting salary listed as €31,221, but I can't spot the full scale in the information booklet.

The Personal Pension Contribution (PPC) salary rate for the position of an Administrative Officer is as follows (1st April 2017)

€31,221
€33,575
€34,247
€37,194
€40,967
€43,838
€46711
€49,593
€52,466
€55,329(NMAX)
€57,314(LSI1)
€59,294(LSI2)

Long Service Increment (LSI1) = may be payable following 3 years satisfactory service at the maximum

Long Service Increment (LSI2) = may be payable following 6 years satisfactory service at the maximum

https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/publication/document/17170309_AO_Principal_Conditions_2017.doc

galgal07 · 25-09-2017 8:59pm

I am wondering if it's worth applying if you're not interested in a position in Dublin? The info booklet states "It is envisaged that these graduate opportunities will arise across a range of Departments with the majority of these vacancies based in Dublin, however, regional positions may arise from time to time."

The_Conductor · 26-09-2017 7:03am

galgal07 wrote: »

I am wondering if it's worth applying if you're not interested in a position in Dublin? The info booklet states "It is envisaged that these graduate opportunities will arise across a range of Departments with the majority of these vacancies based in Dublin, however, regional positions may arise from time to time."

To the best of my knowledge- there are current vacancies across most of the Departments taking part in the competition- however the list of regional locations is rather spartan. Aka- Revenue and Foreign Affairs probably have a few Limerick and Cork posts, Agriculture- Portlaoise, DSP- Carrick-on-Shannon- and that might be about it. AO is predominantly Dublin based- and tends to be treated differently than the other general service grades. You 'might' get a regional offer- but its a bit of a long shot- and it would be unfair to assume even if you got placed on a panel- that there would be a regional post to be filled.

Some people from the last panel were accommodated- by being back-filled into defacto HEO posts- more as staff managers- than traditional HEO posts- however, that doesn't appear to have gone particularly well (several AOs quit in quick succession- as the post didn't live up to what they expected).

Impossible to tell really- but if you're not willing to countenance a Dublin post- its a bit of a long shot.

Note- even at lower grades you can have to travel to Dublin and/or other locations for specific aspects of your work. Just because you're based in Clonakilty (and yes- there is a fairly large government office in Clon)- doesn't mean you won't have to drive elsewhere as required (you'll get mileage and subsistence etc- but its not something you'll get rich on.......)

bodun · 26-09-2017 12:49pm

Sparks15 wrote: »

The Personal Pension Contribution (PPC) salary rate for the position of an Administrative Officer is as follows (1st April 2017)

€31,221
€33,575
€34,247
€37,194
€40,967
€43,838
€46711
€49,593
€52,466
€55,329(NMAX)
€57,314(LSI1)
€59,294(LSI2)

Long Service Increment (LSI1) = may be payable following 3 years satisfactory service at the maximum

Long Service Increment (LSI2) = may be payable following 6 years satisfactory service at the maximum

https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/publication/document/17170309_AO_Principal_Conditions_2017.doc

I am currently in the Public service and in the middle of the scale above. If I was successful here would I stay on my current salary or would I have to start at the bottom?

The explanation is a bit vague saying different terms may apply if you are already a public servant.

SJ. · 26-09-2017 2:21pm

bodun wrote: »

I am currently in the Public service and in the middle of the scale above. If I was successful here would I stay on my current salary or would I have to start at the bottom?

The explanation is a bit vague saying different terms may apply if you are already a public servant.

Public service? or civil service?

bodun · 26-09-2017 2:30pm

SJ. wrote: »

Public service? or civil service?

I'm currently in the Public service.

The_Conductor · 26-09-2017 3:09pm

bodun wrote: »

I'm currently in the Public service.

Depending on the nature of the post you're currently in- and whether, or not, it has parity or relativity to a civil service grade- you are entitled to 1), 2) or 3)(depending on the post).

1. Consideration as a new entrant at the bottom of the salary scale, but pre-existing public sector pension contributions transferred to your new employer under the public sector transfer network.

2. A maximum of 2 increments on the stated salary scale and transfer of accrued pension entitlements

3. Start point on the AO PPC scale at the point closest to your current salary- without any loss in pay for you (this can mean a small payrise- typically of around 400-500 Euro per annum).

It depends on the post- and you would be advised to seek clarification from PAS on this.

HairyCabbage · 26-09-2017 3:15pm

I have just graduated with a degree in applied maths, do I have a hope with this?

Riskymove · 26-09-2017 3:19pm

HairyCabbage wrote: »

I have just graduated with a degree in applied maths, do I have a hope with this?

why wouldn't you?

once you have a first or second honours degree you can apply

The_Conductor · 26-09-2017 3:26pm

Riskymove wrote: »

why wouldn't you?

once you have a first or second honours degree you can apply

That's a first or a second class honour on a Level 8 Honours Degree (i.e. if you have a first or second class honour in a level 7 degree- it doesn't count).

Further information on what constitutes a level 8 qualification here: http://www.nfq-qqi.com/

bodun · 26-09-2017 3:34pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

Depending on the nature of the post you're currently in- and whether, or not, it has parity or relativity to a civil service grade- you are entitled to 1), 2) or 3)(depending on the post).

1. Consideration as a new entrant at the bottom of the salary scale, but pre-existing public sector pension contributions transferred to your new employer under the public sector transfer network.

2. A maximum of 2 increments on the stated salary scale and transfer of accrued pension entitlements

3. Start point on the AO PPC scale at the point closest to your current salary- without any loss in pay for you (this can mean a small payrise- typically of around 400-500 Euro per annum).

It depends on the post- and you would be advised to seek clarification from PAS on this.

Ok thanks. I'm in a clerical officer role under the HSE so I presume it would be similar to the CS. I'll check with PAS.

eefslol · 26-09-2017 3:34pm

HairyCabbage wrote: »

I have just graduated with a degree in applied maths, do I have a hope with this?

I got through the campaign last year (due to be placed this month) and I had just graduated and had never worked before. Go for it! Especially with something like maths.

HairyCabbage · 26-09-2017 3:37pm

Riskymove wrote: »

why wouldn't you?

once you have a first or second honours degree you can apply

I do but it's a 2:2 which tends to rule me out of most graduate jobs, also I don't have any real leadership/people management experience which seems to be a large component of the job!

wos · 26-09-2017 7:21pm

HairyCabbage wrote: »

I do but it's a 2:2 which tends to rule me out of most graduate jobs, also I don't have any real leadership/people management experience which seems to be a large component of the job!

That is a Second Class Honours (Level 8) degree!

The_Conductor · 26-09-2017 8:16pm

wos wrote: »

That is a Second Class Honours (Level 8) degree!

Not necessarily.
Applied Maths in UCC or UCD is a 3 year BA degree- i.e. a Level 7 qualification.
UCD do a 4 year BSc in Applied and Computational Maths- which is a 4 year, Level 8 qualification. UCD also have a 5 year Applied Mathematics & Mathematics Education BSc./MSc. - which is a level 9...........

In short- if its a 3 year degree- its a level 7 qualification- if its a 4 year, its a level 8. Just because its Applied Maths- and the poster has a 2:2- does not automatically mean they qualify for the competition.......... They need to satisfy themselves that they meet the requirements of the competition.

bronzesheep · 26-09-2017 8:51pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

In short- if its a 3 year degree- its a level 7 qualification- if its a 4 year, its a level 8. Just because its Applied Maths- and the poster has a 2:2- does not automatically mean they qualify for the competition.......... They need to satisfy themselves that they meet the requirements of the competition.

Are you talking about Applied Maths here specifically, or degrees in general? Just in case, Honours degrees can also be 3 years in duration, it depends on the degree.

From the NFQ website http://www.nfq-qqi.com/index.html

'Honours Bachelor Degree (NFQ Level 8)
Class of award-type: Major
Volume: Large
The Honours Bachelor Degree is normally awarded following completion of a programme of three to four years duration (180-240 ECTS credits), although there are examples of longer programmes in areas such as architecture, dentistry and medicine.'

wos · 26-09-2017 9:22pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

Not necessarily.
Applied Maths in UCC or UCD is a 3 year BA degree- i.e. a Level 7 qualification.
...

I assumed they read your previous post about Level 8 and were still querying the 2.2 part!
It amazes me just how many people on these forums (for civil service competitions) seem so unsure if they meet the requirements of the competition.

SJ. · 26-09-2017 10:15pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

In short- if its a 3 year degree- its a level 7 qualification- if its a 4 year, its a level 8

That's complete nonsense. An Arts degree from UCD or other NUI colleges is a 3 year level 8 degree.

Ravelleman · 27-09-2017 2:37am

HairyCabbage wrote: »

I have just graduated with a degree in applied maths, do I have a hope with this?

Assuming you can get through the aptitude tests, it really depends on the competency-based interview. This requires citing examples from your past experience, be this in college or work. Neither is necessarily favoured over the other, as far as I understand it; you just need to be able to respond to the questions they ask with specific reference to the skills you have developed. I went in from an advanced postgraduate background and this lent itself well to the format, I found.

HairyCabbage · 27-09-2017 8:06am

wos wrote: »

I assumed they read your previous post about Level 8 and were still querying the 2.2 part!
It amazes me just how many people on these forums (for civil service competitions) seem so unsure if they meet the requirements of the competition.

My question was less about whether or not I met the requirements and more asking if I had a hope of being placed high enough on the panel to actually get a job!

Jimbob1977 · 27-09-2017 8:31am

Out of interest,

o If the closing date is October and the interviews are November/December, when are the first offers likely to be made? Is it a protracted process?

o How many jobs are on offer? Is it a case of a handful, dozens or hundreds?

I have never applied to the Public Sector before

BobCat123 · 27-09-2017 8:47am

If all goes to plan, I assume offers will be made come late January/early February. Panels are formed so there's no indication how many positions are available however they are moving quickly through last years AO panel so there seems to be a lot of positions in Dublin.

Jimbob1977 · 27-09-2017 9:47am

BobCat123 wrote: »

If all goes to plan, I assume offers will be made come late January/early February. Panels are formed so there's no indication how many positions are available however they are moving quickly through last years AO panel so there seems to be a lot of positions in Dublin.

Thanks BobCat123,

When you attend interviews in the Civil Service, do you learn in advance which department you will be interviewing for? Or is it a generic interview with generic questions?

I'm curious to understand how a candidate might express his/her preferences and how the interviewers tease this out.

For example, the candidate might have a real love of Foreign Affairs and Politics, but zero interest in Finance.

donkey_kong · 27-09-2017 10:19am

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

Thanks BobCat123,

When you attend interviews in the Civil Service, do you learn in advance which department you will be interviewing for? Or is it a generic interview with generic questions?

I'm curious to understand how a candidate might express his/her preferences and how the interviewers tease this out.

For example, the candidate might have a real love of Foreign Affairs and Politics, but zero interest in Finance.

In previous years the interview has been more generic and competency based, and the interview has absolutely no bearing on which department you get assigned to.

Successful candidates are put onto a panel ranked on orderof merit, and when departments come looking for staff they get whoever is next up on the panel. So one of the competencies they're looking for is an ability to get upto speed on a policy areas where you've no previous experience. If the department you then get assigned to has a number of vacancies it's possible that the department may try and match you with whatever is most suitable for your own background,at least initially, but there's no guarantee.

As for time scale, if this year's competition is anything to go by, the first appointments will be early in the new year but the panel is likely to last through most of 2018. So if you make the panel but are outside the top 100 or so you might expect to be waiting months rather than weeks before you're called. Vetting and reference checking will only take place after your place on the panel is reached so that could add another couple of weeks onto the timeline.

RBassett · 27-09-2017 12:54pm

If you're in the top 10-20, there's a good chance you'll be assigned to one of the central Departments: Taoiseach's, PER or Finance. I wasn't aware that D/FAT had AOs (other than the AO-equivalent 3rd Secs)?

In my experience, AOs are sent were there is most demand, both across the civil service and then in Departments. Preferences for a particular business unit are rarely considered.

Riskymove · 27-09-2017 1:11pm

HairyCabbage wrote: »

My question was less about whether or not I met the requirements and more asking if I had a hope of being placed high enough on the panel to actually get a job!

your degree will have no bearing on you getting on the panel or how high you might get

HairyCabbage · 27-09-2017 1:16pm

Riskymove wrote: »

your degree will have no bearing on you getting on the panel or how high you might get

Ok, so is it just performance in the aptitude tests combined with performance in interview? If you were able to answer the competency related questions well would a lack of experience matter?

Riskymove · 27-09-2017 1:40pm

HairyCabbage wrote: »

Ok, so is it just performance in the aptitude tests combined with performance in interview?

the aptitude tests don't count for the panel either. They only determine if you get called to interview

The final panel is based on interview (and anyother exercise they might use, if any - presentation etc)

If you were able to answer the competency related questions well would a lack of experience matter?

AO is a graduate recruitment excersie - work experience isn't necessarily a requirement

You should research a bit about leadership though - anyone can lead as such in different scenarios (projects, voluntary work, sports etc)

daithi84 · 28-09-2017 5:05pm

Riskymove wrote: »

The final panel is based on interview (and anyother exercise they might use, if any - presentation etc)

Has anyone every done a presentation before. I wouldnt know where to start. So embarrassing lol

sister bliss · 28-09-2017 5:19pm

daithi84 wrote: »

Has anyone every done a presentation before. I wouldnt know where to start. So embarrassing lol

I havent done it but a colleague of mine did one for the HEO competition and it was a presentation based on a competency i.e. team leadership and she had to speak about a situation where she lead a team on a project and how she managed the team. She didnt actually have to present a Powerpoint presentation on the day, she just did up 5 or 6 slides and just printed them off as handouts. Some people just got up and spoke without any aids.

eefslol · 28-09-2017 5:20pm

sister bliss wrote: »

I havent done it but a colleague of mine did one for the HEO competition and it was a presentation based on a competency i.e. team leadership and she had to speak about a situation where she lead a team on a project and how she managed the team. She didnt actually have to present a Powerpoint presentation on the day, she just did up 5 or 6 slides and just printed them off as handouts. Some people just got up and spoke without any aids.

For AO competition 2016, we just wrote notes and spoke from our chairs. Or at least I did! Wasn't like a presentation at all!

daithi84 · 28-09-2017 5:21pm

Was there a question and answer round? That doesnt sound as daunting and i thought it would be.

sister bliss · 28-09-2017 5:26pm

daithi84 wrote: »

Was there a question and answer round? That doesnt sound as daunting and i thought it would be.

Yes, as far as I know, they then asked questions about the particular competency.

HairyCabbage · 28-09-2017 5:50pm

eefslol wrote: »

For AO competition 2016, we just wrote notes and spoke from our chairs. Or at least I did! Wasn't like a presentation at all!

How long are you given to prepare beforehand? I think I would find it daunting especially after hearing the 'presentations' of people around you

Conqueror · 28-09-2017 8:01pm

HairyCabbage wrote: »

How long are you given to prepare beforehand? I think I would find it daunting especially after hearing the 'presentations' of people around you

You don't hear anyone else's presentation. It's just you and two interviewers. There's a number of presentation boards, so there would be a few people presenting at the same time, but in different rooms.

75 minutes before your presentation, you're brought to a private room where you can work quietly and freely. You're given a briefing document explaining a topic and asking you to recommend a decision which needs to be made. You also get "submissions" from parties with an interest in the topic to help you weigh up your options and come up with a recommendation. You have an hour to go through this and come up with what you believe to be the appropriate course of action. There's no "right or wrong" action, both are legitimate. What the board want is for you to be able to defend your choice and explain your reasoning.

When you're called into the presentation room, you have fifteen minutes to give an oral presentation. This year, we were asked to briefly analyse both possible courses of action, then explain why you chose the course you took, and finally how to reconcile those who would be disappointed with the decision. The board then has fifteen minutes to ask you questions.

From the familiarisation document:
Your performance in this exercise will be scored on:
• Accurate analysis of the information provided
• Quality of your ideas/thinking
• Effectiveness of your communication

It's worth pointing out that, although this was in the last AO competition, there's no guarantee that it will definitely be the same this time.

sister bliss · 29-09-2017 8:34am

Conqueror wrote: »

You don't hear anyone else's presentation. It's just you and two interviewers. There's a number of presentation boards, so there would be a few people presenting at the same time, but in different rooms.

75 minutes before your presentation, you're brought to a private room where you can work quietly and freely. You're given a briefing document explaining a topic and asking you to recommend a decision which needs to be made. You also get "submissions" from parties with an interest in the topic to help you weigh up your options and come up with a recommendation. You have an hour to go through this and come up with what you believe to be the appropriate course of action. There's no "right or wrong" action, both are legitimate. What the board want is for you to be able to defend your choice and explain your reasoning.

When you're called into the presentation room, you have fifteen minutes to give an oral presentation. This year, we were asked to briefly analyse both possible courses of action, then explain why you chose the course you took, and finally how to reconcile those who would be disappointed with the decision. The board then has fifteen minutes to ask you questions.

From the familiarisation document:
Your performance in this exercise will be scored on:
• Accurate analysis of the information provided
• Quality of your ideas/thinking
• Effectiveness of your communication

It's worth pointing out that, although this was in the last AO competition, there's no guarantee that it will definitely be the same this time.

That sounds very difficult! I did the EO competition recently and we had to do something similar(make a decision on whether a case had ground for appeal) but we just had to write a letter backing up our decisions We also had submissions from other parties to consider. I found trying to decide whether the appeal should go ahead or not and finding the reasons to back it up extremely difficult, there was just so much information and you could of went either way with it! I passed it but didnt get a great mark in it so something like that again would make me nervous!!

HairyCabbage · 29-09-2017 9:35am

Conqueror wrote: »

You don't hear anyone else's presentation. It's just you and two interviewers. There's a number of presentation boards, so there would be a few people presenting at the same time, but in different rooms.

75 minutes before your presentation, you're brought to a private room where you can work quietly and freely. You're given a briefing document explaining a topic and asking you to recommend a decision which needs to be made. You also get "submissions" from parties with an interest in the topic to help you weigh up your options and come up with a recommendation. You have an hour to go through this and come up with what you believe to be the appropriate course of action. There's no "right or wrong" action, both are legitimate. What the board want is for you to be able to defend your choice and explain your reasoning.

When you're called into the presentation room, you have fifteen minutes to give an oral presentation. This year, we were asked to briefly analyse both possible courses of action, then explain why you chose the course you took, and finally how to reconcile those who would be disappointed with the decision. The board then has fifteen minutes to ask you questions.

From the familiarisation document:
Your performance in this exercise will be scored on:
• Accurate analysis of the information provided
• Quality of your ideas/thinking
• Effectiveness of your communication

It's worth pointing out that, although this was in the last AO competition, there's no guarantee that it will definitely be the same this time.

I had to do something similar when I went for an interview for Accenture (even though I was going for the Data Analytics role) and I found it very difficult and most of the options seemed very valid. Also, once you do pick one it's hard to justify your decision when they all have downfalls! I also found it difficult to tell how I was doing! The people who seemed to handle it well (we got to watch each other) had degrees (mostly masters) in business.

Areas · 29-09-2017 11:20am

Just applied for the AO there. Nothing to lose!

Nymeria · 29-09-2017 1:18pm

I'm applying again this year - don't think I will get selected as last time, about 2 years ago I think my number around the 650 mark after the aptitude tests - but its worth a try.

I found a list of the competencies for AO online - Leadership Potential, Analysis and Decision Making, Delivery of Results, and Interpersonal and Communication Skills.

I'm a little worried about the 'Leadership Potential' competency...given this is marketed as a graduate role, not many recent graduates would have experience managing people.

I have a few years of work experience after my degree, but no real leadership experience, the only thing I could think of would be University projects where I took some initiative, but wasn't really leading anything, more organising.

Is anyone else a bit daunted by the competencies and how to relate them to the (relatively junior) experience I have?

CMR23 · 29-09-2017 1:19pm

Does anyone know any specific information re: Garda vetting and clearance issues ? The issue of living abroad and needing police security clearance.

My situation is quite specific but I just want to know if one has a conviction while living in another country (for driving while intoxicated) will this disqualify work within the civil service?

In the US State it occurred it is not a criminal conviction but a traffic violation. Obviously Ireland has completely different laws and classification for such convictions.

It obviously need be declared and would be shown via FBI clearance paperwork that the applicant is to furnish.

I just want to know if it's worth applying and sitting exams if at the end of it because I have a US conviction, I would be ineligible for employment.

(I have dual citizenship)

Thanks in advance for anyone with any knowledge.. heartbroken to think my ridiculous poor decisions a decade ago would significantly hinder this career path for me, but unfortunately am leaning toward the belief this is indefinitely the case.

SJ. · 29-09-2017 2:19pm

CMReilly wrote: »

Does anyone know any specific information re: Garda vetting and clearance issues ? The issue of living abroad and needing police security clearance.

My situation is quite specific but I just want to know if one has a conviction while living in another country (for driving while intoxicated) will this disqualify work within the civil service?

In the US State it occurred it is not a criminal conviction but a traffic violation. Obviously Ireland has completely different laws and classification for such convictions.

It obviously need be declared and would be shown via FBI clearance paperwork that the applicant is to furnish.

I just want to know if it's worth applying and sitting exams if at the end of it because I have a US conviction, I would be ineligible for employment.

(I have dual citizenship)

Thanks in advance for anyone with any knowledge.. heartbroken to think my ridiculous poor decisions a decade ago would significantly hinder this career path for me, but unfortunately am leaning toward the belief this is indefinitely the case.

The problem here is there's no way to know. I think with the US you need to get clearance from each individual State, and they have different rules on what background check documents show. Your conviction may not even show up. If it does show, it will be a decision for PAS and the Department as to whether they proceed or not. There's no rule that says "a past conviction will disqualify", but I think they reserve the right. Whether or not they are entitled to discriminate against you because of this, I don't know - it may be worth consulting a lawyer.

I would not like to think that you are forever excluded; but you may have to go through the process with the uncertainty hanging over you...

ETA - have a look at this:
https://www.mhc.ie/latest/insights/spent-convictions-and-changes-to-vetting-importance-for-employers

The_Conductor · 29-09-2017 8:25pm

Ask PAS- I don't think any of us here can really say 'yay' or 'nay' to you.
Personally- I think it should be treated as a traffic violation- as per the US state- and I don't see how or why it should disqualify you- however, who knows what PAS will decide?

hardybuck · 01-10-2017 11:36pm

Nymeria wrote: »

I'm applying again this year - don't think I will get selected as last time, about 2 years ago I think my number around the 650 mark after the aptitude tests - but its worth a try.

I found a list of the competencies for AO online - Leadership Potential, Analysis and Decision Making, Delivery of Results, and Interpersonal and Communication Skills.

I'm a little worried about the 'Leadership Potential' competency...given this is marketed as a graduate role, not many recent graduates would have experience managing people.

I have a few years of work experience after my degree, but no real leadership experience, the only thing I could think of would be University projects where I took some initiative, but wasn't really leading anything, more organising.

Is anyone else a bit daunted by the competencies and how to relate them to the (relatively junior) experience I have?

Pretty much every graduate recruitment effort is motivated towards attracting future leaders to the business.

If you compare AO competencies to HEO and EO, you can see the subtle differences between leadership potential that's required at AO and the Team Leadership and People Management which are required at HEO and EO respectively.

Most AOs won't have staff reporting to them initially.

job seeker · 02-10-2017 5:16am

Can I just ask for assistance in filling out the application forum? I just want to do it right, as I've never applied for this before.

Date obtained and Full Title of Degree(s)/ Qualification(s) held

So this is the date I got my final result?

Subject(s) taken in final examination

So these were the two final exams I had, before I finished college?

Full address at which you resided

Is this just the address where I lived during the week when I was at college? I stayed in a hostel..

Also, have I to list every qualification including fetec level 5 and 6? or just every Honours qualification I have?

Thanks.

The_Conductor · 02-10-2017 7:48am

job seeker wrote: »

Can I just ask for assistance in filling out the application forum? I just want to do it right, as I've never applied for this before. So this is the date I got my final result?

Most people put the year down- as opposed to a specific date. If you want to be precise- knock yourself out- the month you graduate and the year- is more than sufficient. Aka- you can't claim your BSc. Hons- if you haven't formally graduated yet.

job seeker wrote: »

So these were the two final exams I had, before I finished college?

They want to know what you majored in- and what your main subjects are- minor electives- they couldn't be arsed about. E.g. My Diploma in Cinematography and Photography- that I got as part of my BSc. in Computer Science- is not a major- though I did it in my final year of my original BSc.- and is not listed in the subjects for my main undergrad.

job seeker wrote: »

Is this just the address where I lived during the week when I was at college? I stayed in a hostel..

All addresses you resided at while attending college- we bounce it against Pulse to check for any records associated with that address. If you predominantly lived in hostels- which is perfectly fine- but had a lot of other people living there too- its very possible that there might be lengthy records associated with the address- in which case, Garda clearance might take a bit longer than for someone who lived at a single address with a couple of housemates- and can account for themselves in a far cleaner and clearer fashion- for someone going through online records associated with the address- rather than the person...........

job seeker wrote: »

Also, have I to list every qualification including fetec level 5 and 6? or just every Honours qualification I have?

Thanks.

I've 7 or 8 Level 6s- 2 level 8s and 3 level 9s- in all manner of things- including a diploma in floristry. If you really want to tell them all the little details- a lot of this could comfortably be added to the section on additional information in support of your candacy- most people probably have more than the 4-5 qualifications the form allows.

They want your main points- they don't need to know the name of your pets when you were a kid. Expand to your hearts content at interview- but keep it relevant.

job seeker · 02-10-2017 4:58pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

Most people put the year down- as opposed to a specific date. If you want to be precise- knock yourself out- the month you graduate and the year- is more than sufficient. Aka- you can't claim your BSc. Hons- if you haven't formally graduated yet.

Okay, I see what you mean.

The_Conductor wrote: »

They want to know what you majored in- and what your main subjects are- minor electives- they couldn't be arsed about. E.g. My Diploma in Cinematography and Photography- that I got as part of my BSc. in Computer Science- is not a major- though I did it in my final year of my original BSc.- and is not listed in the subjects for my main undergrad.

Oh right. I just the Honours degree in culinary arts. So Ill just add that? Sorry just still a bit confused.

The_Conductor wrote: »

All addresses you resided at while attending college- we bounce it against Pulse to check for any records associated with that address. If you predominantly lived in hostels- which is perfectly fine- but had a lot of other people living there too- its very possible that there might be lengthy records associated with the address- in which case, Garda clearance might take a bit longer than for someone who lived at a single address with a couple of housemates- and can account for themselves in a far cleaner and clearer fashion- for someone going through online records associated with the address- rather than the person...........

Oh I see what you're saying. It would have been two addresses I had one in first year and a different one from second to forth year.

The_Conductor wrote: »

I've 7 or 8 Level 6s- 2 level 8s and 3 level 9s- in all manner of things- including a diploma in floristry. If you really want to tell them all the little details- a lot of this could comfortably be added to the section on additional information in support of your candacy- most people probably have more than the 4-5 qualifications the form allows.

I have the level 8 honours degree and two level 6's. So I will leave out the level 6's?

The_Conductor wrote: »

They want your main points- they don't need to know the name of your pets when you were a kid. Expand to your hearts content at interview- but keep it relevant.

Again, you mean that there is no need to include the level 6's? As they aren't graded 1.1, 1.2... ect. So I suppose the level 6's wouldn't be relevant?

Thanks for helping me out!

Jimbob1977 · 04-10-2017 11:27am

I have noticed that the PDF application form does not contain 'Section B'.

Administrative Officer in the Civil Service

It moves straight from Section A to Section C.

I have written to PAS for clarification.

There are two outcomes:

o A typo

o An entire section is missing.

Isn't Section B normally about why you'd be a good fit?

I will revert back with their response. Attention to detail !!

EDIT: Confirmed by PAS. There is no Section B in this instance

Jimbob1977 · 04-10-2017 11:53am

There is no Section B in this instance.

Just need to fill out Sections A and C per PAS

Administrative Officer 2017 Campaign

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