Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

mikeym · 14-05-2018 11:08pm

Dont mess with Israel

MayoSalmon · 14-05-2018 11:08pm

zapitastas wrote:

What would you do if you were a political leader in Gaza. They have been thoroughly ravaged of all assets over the years. The only resistance they offer is futile but should they simply give up and accept their fate. Futile protests are all they have left in their armory

Live in peace and stop acting the bollix. It's 2018 diplomacy will get them much further but they just can't help themselves because they hate the Israelis so much

dublincelt · 14-05-2018 11:13pm

To the lovers of the state of Israel on here, a question.

What threat did Abu Thurayeh pose to result in him being shot dead by an Israeli sniper? Abu Thurayeh, a double leg amputee. For the audacity to wave a Palestinian flag?

tayto lover · 14-05-2018 11:13pm

mikeym wrote: »

Dont mess with Israel

Did Ireland mess with them when they used our passports falsely for the use of their murder machine?

14-05-2018 11:13pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The conflict that has been going on the region for 50+ years.

Do keep up.

2005-2014: 3838 Palestinians killed as opposed to 168 Israelis.

Conflict me h*le. It's one side kicking the sh*t out of the other with the usual verbal gymnastics from Zionist apologists trying to portray it as something else entirely.........

zapitastas · 14-05-2018 11:16pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Live in peace and stop acting the bollix. It's 2018 diplomacy will get them much further but they just can't help themselves because they hate the Israelis so much

Is 2018 alright and we are still witnessing a campaign of colonialism that would be more at home 170 years ago. The Israeli state is a disgrace

tigerboon · 14-05-2018 11:18pm

Class of 82 wrote: »

It's time to expel the Israeli ambassador.

The least we can do to show some solidarity with the Palestinian people.

"We" do not all agree with this stance.

Greyfox · 14-05-2018 11:23pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Live in peace and stop acting the bollix. It's 2018 diplomacy will get them much further but they just can't help themselves because they hate the Israelis so much

No it won't, I know Americans who think the only way for there to be peace is to give ALL the land to Israel, it may take 100's of years but it's only a matter of time before Israel take all the land

Deusexmachina · 14-05-2018 11:23pm

This is a shocking thread. Incredibly extreme views on both sides.

What happened today was an outrage. Trump has blood on his hands. No justification for this slaughter.

Not does it justify similar extreme actions on the Palestinian side. They know how to play dirty too.

Peace will only come with understanding and dialog.

wes · 14-05-2018 11:25pm

Once again we see various racist Israel supporters making excuses for war crimes by the IDF. To be expected of course, as most are completely morally bankrupt.

Pretty disgusting sight to see the US and Israelis governments celebrating the opening of the new embassy (partially built on stolen Palestinian land, because the US is purposefully doing there best to rub it in). The US has just as much blood on there hands and there involement in the "peace process", is beyond a joke at this point. The US is on Israel's side, and as such there position as a "honest broker" is farcical and help perpetuate the conflict.

The US then has the gall to blame the Palestinians for Israels murder of protesters, and not to mention several other Western countries refusal to condemn this atrocity. Why are so many Western countries refusing to condemn this war crime? Why do so many on the right not only refuse to condemn this, but actively support? Say a lot about a lot of people, who are nothing but wanton hypocrites.

As for the OPs question, some extremists in Israel do want the Palestinians wiped out, and they seem to be gaining more ground in Israel. The current plan by Netanyahu is akin to Apartheid South Africa on steroids. Press the Palestinians into smaller and smaller Bantustans, and extend the settlements.

zapitastas · 14-05-2018 11:28pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

This is a shocking thread. Incredibly extreme views on both sides.

What happened today was an outrage. Trump has blood on his hands. No justification for this slaughter.

Not does it justify similar extreme actions on the Palestinian side. They know how to play dirty too.

Peace will only come with understanding and dialog.

If you think that the Israelis are at all interested in understanding and dialogue you are displaying a naivety about the situation. Israel had been pretty successful in portraying it as being deeply complex and quite an evenly matched conflict. Strip away the propaganda and it is a nasty land grab which has necessitated the brutal treatment of those that happened to already residing there. The end game will be total and sole occupation but if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

markodaly · 14-05-2018 11:29pm

dublincelt wrote: »

To the lovers of the state of Israel on here, a question.

What threat did Abu Thurayeh pose to result in him being shot dead by an Israeli sniper? Abu Thurayeh, a double leg amputee. For the audacity to wave a Palestinian flag?

Nope, he was using a slingshot.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0514/963336-us-embassy-jerusalem/

The Palestinians killed include at least six children, a medic and a man in a wheelchair who had been pictured on social media using a slingshot.

It makes great propaganda for Hamas, but that is what it is, propaganda.

deco nate · 14-05-2018 11:35pm

markodaly wrote: »

Nope, he was using a slingshot.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0514/963336-us-embassy-jerusalem/

It makes great propaganda for Hamas, but that is what it is, propaganda.

Ah OK, should have used a tank to kill that sling shot using amputee..... Just to make sure no israelis were hurt by his vicious weapon

kravmaga · 14-05-2018 11:35pm

Class of 82 wrote: »

It's time to expel the Israeli ambassador.

The least we can do to show some solidarity with the Palestinian people.

Its time to close down the entire Israeli diplomatic mission and expel them , full stop and send them packing back home? Arrogant , rude and demanding .

Its a horrible looking Embassy anyway and no other tenant will rent out the other floors.

dublincelt · 14-05-2018 11:36pm

markodaly wrote: »

Nope, he was using a slingshot.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0514/963336-us-embassy-jerusalem/

It makes great propaganda for Hamas, but that is what it is, propaganda.

if you are going to comment on this thread, please check your facts!

Abu Thurayeh was killed last December!

Not that using a slingshot would in anyway justify being killed in cold blood.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/19/dead-man-wheelchair-became-symbol-palestinian-anger-donald-trumps/

markodaly · 14-05-2018 11:37pm

To the OP, Israel does not want to wipe out the Palestinians. Remember, they left Gaza in 2005 where as Hamas took over in a brutal bout of violence. We are still waiting for 'elections' there.

Israel does have the capacity to wipe out the Palestinians but the population is still growing, hardly an indication of wanting to wipe someone out now is it. However, Hamas and others like it have been pretty clear on their views. They deny the Holocaust from happening but state that they will carry it out for real. In other words, they want to wipe out and kill every Jew in Israel.

This is part of their charter.

The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.

A great bunch of lads.

A Dub in Glasgo · 14-05-2018 11:39pm

markodaly wrote: »

Nope, he was using a slingshot.

Like this one?

markodaly · 14-05-2018 11:39pm

dublincelt wrote: »

Abu Thurayeh was killed last December!

Oh, so they used someone else in a wheelchair this time out.
I wonder do Hamas have them earmarked to be used as marketing?

deco nate · 14-05-2018 11:40pm

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, so they used someone else in a wheelchair this time out.
I wonder do Hamas have them earmarked to be used as marketing?

Pathetic post

dublincelt · 14-05-2018 11:46pm

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, so they used someone else in a wheelchair this time out.
I wonder do Hamas have them earmarked to be used as marketing?

Last time I checked, IDF are doing the killing. The world sees this for what it is, a massacre, a bloodbath. Victim blaming is not working here, people are not stupid. Israel are committing war crimes and the world can see this for what it is..

14-05-2018 11:47pm

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, so they used someone else in a wheelchair this time out.
I wonder do Hamas have them earmarked to be used as marketing?

No, the Israelis murdered him. The Oxford Dictionary could do worse than check this thread for new definitions of obtuse.

Auguste Comte · 14-05-2018 11:50pm

dublincelt wrote: »

Last time I checked, IDF are doing the killing. The world sees this for what it is, a massacre, a bloodbath. Victim blaming is not working here, people are not stupid. Israel are committing war crimes and the world can see this for what it is..

This is why they target journalists, they don't want the world to see them for the war criminals that they are.

MayoSalmon · 14-05-2018 11:52pm

Deedsie wrote:

Well I wonder why? They have every reason to hate the Israelis and those that support Israel and defend and support their crimes. What would you do if you were in the Palestinians position?

Yeah and many people's and many nations have hated each other over the course of human history.

The way they are going about things is literally not going to get them anywhere.

They need to cease all violence and aggression to Israel and just start honest peaceful diplomacy.

Mightn't get them fook all in the next 10 years but at least people will stop dying.

RustyNut · 14-05-2018 11:56pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Yeah and many people's and many nations have hated each other over the course of human history.

The way they are going about things is literally not going to get them anywhere.

They need to cease all violence and aggression to Israel and just start honest peaceful diplomacy.

Mightn't get them fook all in the next 10 years but at least people will stop dying.

It's the Israelis doing all the killing. They are the aggressors, the Palastinian people are entitled to resist the illegal occupation and colonisation of their land.

deco nate · 14-05-2018 11:57pm

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Yeah and many people's and many nations have hated each other over the course of human history.

The way they are going about things is literally not going to get them anywhere.

They need to cease all violence and aggression to Israel and just start honest peaceful diplomacy.

Mightn't get them fook all in the next 10 years but at least people will stop dying.

I really doubt that no one would die, Israel want all the land and they'll make up an excuse to kill.
Do you think they will stop the illegal land grabs?
I don't think so.

AllForIt · 15-05-2018 12:02am

Peaceful protest my arse.

Deusexmachina · 15-05-2018 12:05am

zapitastas wrote: »

If you think that the Israelis are at all interested in understanding and dialogue you are displaying a naivety about the situation. Israel had been pretty successful in portraying it as being deeply complex and quite an evenly matched conflict. Strip away the propaganda and it is a nasty land grab which has necessitated the brutal treatment of those that happened to already residing there. The end game will be total and sole occupation but if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

And your solution is?

Deusexmachina · 15-05-2018 12:07am

kravmaga wrote: »

Its time to close down the entire Israeli diplomatic mission and expel them , full stop and send them packing back home? Arrogant , rude and demanding .

Its a horrible looking Embassy anyway and no other tenant will rent out the other floors.

Less dialog will help?

Greyfox · 15-05-2018 12:12am

I'm disgusted and very disappointed by some of the pro Israel posts on here, it feels like some people think slaughtering innocent people is ok. since 2005 in this conflict only 1 in 23 of the deaths have been on the Israeli side and looking at the map changes over the years Israel are very clearly continuing to steal more and more Palastinian land.

RustyNut · 15-05-2018 12:13am

Deusexmachina wrote: »

And your solution is?

If the zionists stopped illegally occupying other people's land and stopped killing innocent people that would be a positive start.

zapitastas · 15-05-2018 12:13am

Deusexmachina wrote: »

And your solution is?

Cease the theft of Palestinian lands, return to 67 borders, compensate refugees for loss, give equal rights to Palestinians residing within Israel, lift blockades. Act like humans

backspin. · 15-05-2018 12:18am

The optics were really awful for Israel and Trump today. There was the footage of Netanyahu and Jared and Ivanka celebrating an unnecessary and provocative embassy move and at the same time thousands of Palestinians getting shot at, injured and murdered.

15-05-2018 6:30am

"Do Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?"

If you look at map changes, the answer can only be a yes. They may not want to do it brutally, but it is what they want.

I've been less disgusted by South Africans defending Apartheid as "not that bad".

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-05-2018 7:02am

"Israel has a right to defend it's borders"

What borders? It has never declared it's borders. There's is no border, there are armistice lines, which are protected by buffer zones that are several hundred meters deep on both sides, the protesters weren't even breaching the buffer zones, never mind the armistice lines.

In 1649 Cromwell came to Ireland with the intention of solving the Irish "problem" once and for all with a policy of "to hell or to Connacht".

the fundamentalist Zionist lunatics who rule the state of Israeli share Cromwell's vision but want the complete removal of Palestinians from their lands, in their mind there isn't even a Connacht the Palestinians can have, they just want them gone whether it's through actively driving them from their land or making their living conditions so bad they leave by choice.

The current psychopath who rules Israel has said dozens of times "there will never be a Palestinian state".

The Palestinian national council accepted the Israeli state in 1988 and again in 1993. Hamas has accepted a 2 state solution and agreed to negotiate the same, the PA has accepted that the 1967 armistice lines will have to be amended slightly to make them more manageable with like for like land swaps. The entire Arab league has had an offer on the table, supported by all Palestinian parties and the international community for over a decade which would provide for a two state solution.

The only side who do not want a two state solution is Israel.
That's why they won't negotiate.
That's why they murdered Rabin.
That's why when his murderer was released he was treated as a hero by the Israeli right.
That's why the Israeli military threatened a coup when Ehud Barak and his foreign minister Ben-Ami were close to an agreement during the summit in Taba in 2001.
That's why 75% of Israeli voters polled in the 2001 election cycle said Barak was "giving too much away" by agreeing to the dismantlement of settlements and withdraw from Palestine to within the 1967 armistice lines despite even the Israeli government at the time admitting that it was the Palestinians who made almost all concessions during the negotiations.

Israel does not want a two state solution, they want a final solution to the Palestinian "problem" but instead of "to hell or to Connacht" it's just to hell.

FTA69 · 15-05-2018 8:15am

Greyfox wrote: »

I'm disgusted and very disappointed by some of the pro Israel posts on here, it feels like some people think slaughtering innocent people is ok. since 2005 in this conflict only 1 in 23 of the deaths have been on the Israeli side and looking at the map changes over the years Israel are very clearly continuing to steal more and more Palastinian land.

In Ireland at least you come across very few people who actually support Israel, the majority of people instinctively support the Palestinians due to Irish people being familiar with this type of repression in the past. Usually the only ones you hear espousing support for this type of thing are neckbeard internet politico types.

Odhinn · 15-05-2018 8:16am

dublincelt wrote: »

if you are going to comment on this thread, please check your facts!

Abu Thurayeh was killed last December!

Not that using a slingshot would in anyway justify being killed in cold blood.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/19/dead-man-wheelchair-became-symbol-palestinian-anger-donald-trumps/

xThere were two lads in wheelchairs who were killed, the most recent had the slingshot.

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-05-2018 8:20am

FTA69 wrote: »

In Ireland at least you come across very few people who actually support Israel, the majority of people instinctively support the Palestinians due to Irish people being familiar with this type of repression in the past. Usually the only ones you hear espousing support for this type of thing are neckbeard internet politico types.

Or bought and paid shills for the Embassy in Dublin like Barry Williams and his acolytes in Israeli foreign ministry sponsored on campus groups like Mayooth's "Israel soc".

Madagascan · 15-05-2018 8:33am

Seth Yellow Cobra wrote: »

. Apartheid Israel has brought barbaric treatment to a whole new level

Israel is not an Apartheid County.
Arab Israeli citizens live there in peace with the same rights.
Israel's parliament have Arab members.
There are Arab Judges in their Courts.
Now compare that to Islamic Countries.

Odhinn · 15-05-2018 8:38am

Madagascan wrote: »

Israel is not an Apartheid County.

There are two seperate systems of justice in the occupied territories - one is for the settlers, the other the palestinians. There are settler only roads and areas.

Madagascan wrote: »

Arab Israeli citizens live there in peace with the same rights.

They're discriminated against and maltreated.

facehugger99 · 15-05-2018 8:48am

backspin. wrote: »

The optics were really awful for Israel and Trump today.

Wonder who arranged for that.

The terrorist organisation Hamas making sure there were plenty of impressionable kids up front to act as bullet sponges while they instigate the violence from the back.

Brave bunch of lads.

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-05-2018 8:49am

Odhinn wrote: »

There are two seperate systems of justice in the occupied territories - one is for the settlers, the other the palestinians. There are settler only roads and areas.

They're discriminated against and maltreated.

There are also laws (65 at last count) which directly or indirectly discriminate against Palestinians and Muslims inside Israeli and in the illegally occupied Palestinian territories.

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-05-2018 8:50am

facehugger99 wrote: »

Wonder who arranged for that.

The terrorist organisation Hamas making sure there were plenty of impressionable kids up front to act as bullet sponges while they instigate the violence from the back.

Brave bunch of lads.

"if she wasn't walking around so scantily clad late at night she never would have been raped. Her parents should have never let her out the door in those yoga pants".

markodaly · 15-05-2018 9:03am

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The Palestinian national council accepted the Israeli state in 1988 and again in 1993. Hamas has accepted a 2 state solution and agreed to negotiate the same, the PA has accepted that the 1967 armistice lines will have to be amended slightly to make them more manageable with like for like land swaps. The entire Arab league has had an offer on the table, supported by all Palestinian parties and the international community for over a decade which would provide for a two state solution.

Eh, just no. So many little white lies in that paragraph. If you are correct, why did Arafat walk away from the Olso Accords?

Israel does not want a two state solution, they want a final solution to the Palestinian "problem" but instead of "to hell or to Connacht" it's just to hell.

Ah, the old, Israel/Jewish blood libel line. Very popular with Daesh, I heard!

Odhinn · 15-05-2018 9:05am

markodaly wrote: »

Ah, the old, Israel/Jewish blood libel line. Very popular with Daesh, I heard!

He never said any such thing. Why are you making false accusations?

golfball37 · 15-05-2018 9:08am

What annoys me is when you criticize the shooting of 1000 people who were unarmed you are either labeled anti Semitic or anti Israel state existence. It stifles debate. Israel has every right to exist and defend itself but has no right to murder or expansion.

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-05-2018 9:09am

markodaly wrote: »

Eh, just no. So many little white lies in that paragraph. If you are correct, why did Arafat walk away from the Olso Accords?

Because the Oslo Accord didn't offer a two state solution along the 1967 armistice lines or anything like it.

Rezident · 15-05-2018 9:14am

The Palestinians are deliberately sacrificing their own children just for anti-Israel PR! That is evil. Foolish of Palestinian kids to attack soldiers but they are only kids and their leaders are encouraging them.

Hamas is encouraging more Palestinians to attack the border today. They KNOW this equals more dead children. Their own children! Why are they so hateful and evil!?

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-05-2018 9:18am

Rezident wrote: »

The Palestinians jews are deliberately sacrificing their own children just for anti-Israel anti-Nazi PR! That is evil. Foolish of Palestinian jewish kids to attack soldiers but they are only kids and their leaders are encouraging them.

Hamas Jewish leaders encouraging more Palestinians Jews to attack the border resist in the ghetto today. They KNOW this equals more dead children. Their own children! Why are they so hateful and evil!?

Lets look at this through a historical lens.

Sonics2k · 15-05-2018 9:25am

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

No-one said the Palestinians had to riot and act the bollocks because an embassy opened.

But they did.

Nobody said the Palestinians had to start invading the border of Israel despite being warned numerous times not to do so.

But they did.

You can't possibly compare people protesting, throwing rocks and shouting with mortar shells, snipers and fully trained soldiers.

Oh, and technically speaking Israel invaded the border of Palestine.

markodaly · 15-05-2018 9:38am

Odhinn wrote: »

He never said any such thing. Why are you making false accusations?

Dropping in the words 'Final Solution' and talks about land conquests are well known tropes popular with Hamas, Deash and others who hate Jews.

Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

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