Dublin Bus Changes to Improve City Center Journeys

Ernest · 30-07-2018 10:17am

Ben D Bus wrote: »

I find the Dublin Bus fleet to be largely quiet, well ventilated and comfortable. When were you last on one?

I use buses frequently as the nearest bus stop to my house is closer than the nearest DART station. Off-peak they may be quieter but never as comfortable as the DART, as they sway uncomfortably when they swing into stops and swing back out into traffic, and vibrate and shudder due to diesel engines.
As for peak travel....buses are stuffy as windows are never open especially in winter when they fog-up making identification of location difficult - not to mention spreading germs from people crammed closely together......

Not to mention anti-social behavior on buses:
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/casual-nastiness-left-me-feeling-like-a-coward-37164042.html

Is it any wonder many people prefer to go by car rather than by bus.

StreetLight · 30-07-2018 10:37am

Ernest wrote: »

I use buses frequently as the nearest bus stop to my house is closer than the nearest DART station. Off-peak they may be quieter but never as comfortable as the DART, as they sway uncomfortably when they swing into stops and swing back out into traffic, and vibrate and shudder due to diesel engines.
As for peak travel....buses are stuffy as windows are never open especially in winter when they fog-up making identification of location difficult - not to mention spreading germs from people crammed closely together......

Not to mention anti-social behavior on buses:
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/casual-nastiness-left-me-feeling-like-a-coward-37164042.html

Is it any wonder many people prefer to go by car rather than by bus.

First world problems.

It's obvious you haven't been on a Dublin Bus in years. There are audio and video announcements every 10-20 seconds to let passengers know of the location of the upcoming stop.

MJohnston · 30-07-2018 11:21am

In fairness to him, they are still really sweaty and horrible on wet and warm days...I don't really know what you could physically do about that though? Air-conditioned buses would probably be too expensive (and I mean proper A/C, not just fans blowing external air).

Carlos Orange · 30-07-2018 11:45am

StreetLight wrote: »

It's obvious you haven't been on a Dublin Bus in years. There are audio and video announcements every 10-20 seconds to let passengers know of the location of the upcoming stop.

Man that sounds annoying.

StreetLight · 30-07-2018 11:49am

psinno wrote: »

Man that sounds annoying.

One of the drawbacks from having so many stops too close together!

AlekSmart · 30-07-2018 12:25pm

StreetLight wrote: »

One of the drawbacks from having so many stops too close together!

Oddly enough that was an issue which caught the NTA out in the initial stages of the Next-Stop announcement introduction.

The NTA wished to have each Bus Stop fully announced 100 Mtrs in advance,in BOTH official languages,replicated visually on the Internal LED screens.

eg: Next Stop-North Circular Road-An Chead Stad Eile,An Cuarbothar Thuiadh.

After some weeks spent trying to cram a multilingual Quart into the available Pint Pot,reality had to be recognised and the Next-Stop/An Chead Stad Eile intro was dropped (quietly) along with some amended destination descriptions.

It's all very laudable having multilingual guidance,but when it defies the first rule of Public Transport Information,CLARITY,then it actually takes significantly away from it's basic purpose.

Qrt · 30-07-2018 12:54pm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Oddly enough that was an issue which caught the NTA out in the initial stages of the Next-Stop announcement introduction.

The NTA wished to have each Bus Stop fully announced 100 Mtrs in advance,in BOTH official languages,replicated visually on the Internal LED screens.

eg: Next Stop-North Circular Road-An Chead Stad Eile,An Cuarbothar Thuiadh.

After some weeks spent trying to cram a multilingual Quart into the available Pint Pot,reality had to be recognised and the Next-Stop/An Chead Stad Eile intro was dropped (quietly) along with some amended destination descriptions.

It's all very laudable having multilingual guidance,but when it defies the first rule of Public Transport Information,CLARITY,then it actually takes significantly away from it's basic purpose.

Having "next stop" sounds horrendous. In Germany ATM, the buses just have a small chime then say the name of the stop. "Next stop" is reserved for the rail network AFAIK

AlekSmart · 30-07-2018 1:07pm

Qrt wrote: »

Having "next stop" sounds horrendous. In Germany ATM, the buses just have a small chime then say the name of the stop. "Next stop" is reserved for the rail network AFAIK

Agreed,but to a newly qualified earnest young graduate,it is The Sound of Music itself !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz6wvKUsP6M

Stephen15 · 30-07-2018 7:55pm

Ernest wrote: »

I use buses frequently as the nearest bus stop to my house is closer than the nearest DART station. Off-peak they may be quieter but never as comfortable as the DART, as they sway uncomfortably when they swing into stops and swing back out into traffic, and vibrate and shudder due to diesel engines.
As for peak travel....buses are stuffy as windows are never open especially in winter when they fog-up making identification of location difficult - not to mention spreading germs from people crammed closely together......

Not to mention anti-social behavior on buses:
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/casual-nastiness-left-me-feeling-like-a-coward-37164042.html

Is it any wonder many people prefer to go by car rather than by bus.

Rail based transport is always more pleasant to travel on than anything on the road including cars outside of rush hour. Cars also vibrate too from time to time. Many cars don't have AC either and their windows fog up too. I do have a car and I do drive it when it's convienent for me to do so than using public transport.

Anti social behaviour is only a real issue if the bus you get happens to be the 27 from Jobstown in the evening and other routes like the 13, 76 or the 40 and if you lived in those anti social would be effecting your daily life not just your bus commute.

DanDublin1982 · 31-07-2018 8:19am

Stephen15 wrote: »

Anti social behaviour is only a real issue if the bus you get happens to be the 27 from Jobstown in the evening and other routes like the 13, 76 or the 40 and if you lived in those anti social would be effecting your daily life not just your bus commute.

So only West Dublin then where anti social behaviour exists? (Or wherever those other services end up on the northside). I don't use many buses myself but I seriously doubt that anti social behaviour exists on only four of the hundred or so routes in the DB network.

Stephen15 · 31-07-2018 10:57am

DanDublin1982 wrote: »

So only West Dublin then where anti social behaviour exists? (Or wherever those other services end up on the northside). I don't use many buses myself but I seriously doubt that anti social behaviour exists on only four of the hundred or so routes in the DB network.

Yes I have used the buses for about 15 years and have only witnessed one anti social behaviour once. Look at the DB website and you'll that the 13, 27 and the 76 are regularly diverted out of the areas. When was the last time you saw a 46a being diverted out of Donnybrook or the 7 or the 4 out of Ballsbridge because of stone throwing.

StreetLight · 31-07-2018 11:15am

Stephen15 wrote: »

Yes I have used the buses for about 15 years and have only witnessed one anti social behaviour once. Look at the DB website and you'll that the 13, 27 and the 76 are regularly diverted out of the areas. When was the last time you saw a 46a being diverted out of Donnybrook or the 7 or the 4 out of Ballsbridge because of stone throwing.

You're not comparing like with like. Buses are sometimes diverted out of housing estates at the outer end of routes, not main thoroughfares.

Donnybrook and Ballsbridge are not housing estates. I've never heard of the routes mentioned being taken out of thoroughfares such as Drumcondra or Kilmainham because of stone throwing either.

Stephen15 · 31-07-2018 11:34am

StreetLight wrote: »

You're not comparing like with like. Buses are sometimes diverted out of housing estates at the outer end of routes, not main thoroughfares.

Donnybrook and Ballsbridge are not housing estates. I've never heard of the routes mentioned being taken out of thoroughfares such as Drumcondra or Kilmainham because of stone throwing either.

I get your point but I'm just saying I don't see much anti social on the DB services that I use

DanDublin1982 · 31-07-2018 12:27pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

I get your point but I'm just saying I don't see much anti social on the DB services that I use

You're not just saying that though. You're also saying that the behaviour only exists in a pocket of Dublin which is absolute nonsense.

Stephen15 · 31-07-2018 12:34pm

DanDublin1982 wrote: »

You're not just saying that though. You're also saying that the behaviour only exists in a pocket of Dublin which is absolute nonsense.

It's not nonsense. There may isolated incidents on outside these areas from time to time but these are isolated incidents and the everyday why do you think the 27 is diverted in Jobstown on a regular basis?

Qrt · 31-07-2018 1:51pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

It's not nonsense. There may isolated incidents on outside these areas from time to time but these are isolated incidents and the everyday why do you think the 27 is diverted in Jobstown on a regular basis?

Hate to rain on your parade but it's not "on a regular basis". Last summer's upsurge was due to some sh*ts noticing the SG buses had a ledge on the back which made scutting very easy. Scutting happens in town from time to time with skateboarders too.

In addition; the only video footage I've ever witnessed of a bus driver being physically assaulted was in the general SoCoDu area. It went around a while ago.

Ben D Bus · 31-07-2018 2:11pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

Anti social behaviour is only a real issue if the bus you get happens to be the 27 from Jobstown in the evening and other routes like the 13, 76 or the 40 and if you lived in those anti social would be effecting your daily life not just your bus commute.

I agree it's localised to certain routes but to suggest everyone living on the 13 or the 40 is suffering daily antisocial behaviour in normal live is utterly ludicrous. Can't speak to the 76.

Stephen15 · 31-07-2018 8:39pm

Qrt wrote: »

Hate to rain on your parade but it's not "on a regular basis". Last summer's upsurge was due to some sh*ts noticing the SG buses had a ledge on the back which made scutting very easy. Scutting happens in town from time to time with skateboarders too.

In addition; the only video footage I've ever witnessed of a bus driver being physically assaulted was in the general SoCoDu area. It went around a while ago.

The 184 incident was an isolated one. Almost all DB buses which are diverted are nearly always the same routes hardly a coincidence now is it that the 27 is often diverted out of Jobstown. Is it politically incorrect to say anti social behaviour is worse in certain areas than other areas it's the truth. You rarely see incidents on buses that don't go into rough areas.

Stephen15 · 31-07-2018 8:43pm

Ben D Bus wrote: »

I agree it's localised to certain routes but to suggest anyone living on the 13 or the 40 is suffering daily antisocial behaviour in normal live is utterly ludicrous. Can't speak to the 76.

If people's cars are burnt out or damaged, community services like playgrounds are damaged by scrotes and buses are removed from areas due to anti social it sort of is having an effect on your daily life. It may not happen every night but it's still an issue as people will have it at the back of their mind.

Qrt · 31-07-2018 9:07pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

The 184 incident was an isolated one. Almost all DB buses which are diverted are nearly always the same routes hardly a coincidence now is it that the 27 is often diverted out of Jobstown. Is it politically incorrect to say anti social behaviour is worse in certain areas than other areas it's the truth. You rarely see incidents on buses that don't go into rough areas.

Again, 'often' it ain't.

fritzelly · 31-07-2018 9:10pm

Jaysus, can you not take that crap elsewhere - nothing to do with the thread

Qrt · 31-07-2018 9:17pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Jaysus, can you not take that crap elsewhere - nothing to do with the thread

Well aware of that. I was just correcting someone who thought that buses were getting pulled every day or the week. I had to listen to people say for weeks last year that I deserved no bus route because some gang of twelve year olds thought they'd be deadly and stand on the newly discovered ridge on the back. The buses have been fixed and I don't recall any recent incidents. I'm done now.

Stephen15 · 31-07-2018 9:22pm

fritzelly wrote: »

Jaysus, can you not take that crap elsewhere - nothing to do with the thread

I was responding to a user who pointed out that one of the reasons they don't travel by bus is because of anti social behaviour.

Ben D Bus · 31-07-2018 11:00pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

If people's cars are burnt out or damaged, community services like playgrounds are damaged by scrotes and buses are removed from areas due to anti social it sort of is having an effect on your daily life. It may not happen every night but it's still an issue as people will have it at the back of their mind.

Just to clarify a typo in my post, I meant to say it's ludicrous to suggest everyone on those bus routes suffers from antisocial behaviour in their neighbourhoods

cherryghost · 04-09-2018 3:03pm

This morning was finally back to usual heavy morning traffic, with all level schools back in full swing. 15mins later into town than most of Summer.

cgcsb · 04-09-2018 3:08pm

ABP decision on college green plaza is due one month from now. Presumably the day that it's implemented will have to coincide with the day of a car ban on Bachelor's walk and George's St.

With any luck it'll be before Christmas, 4-5 years late.

cherryghost · 06-09-2018 11:03am

Back to taking earlier buses again. Tues, Weds and especially Today (because of weather) was dire

cgcsb · 06-09-2018 11:53am

Traffic this morning was a free-for-all. traffic lights and bus lanes largely ignored, people (cars bikes and pedestrians) just taking a shared space approach to junctions. I'm reminded of a wet day in Morocco. The current plans for BusConnects, car bans etc. cannot come soon enough, there needs to be 1st world standards of law and order on the streets.

dublinman1990 · 24-09-2018 7:04pm

I heard some rumors recently that some routes will have changes after GAI begin DB's route in October.

The 54a is to have more duties with extra 5 marked-in duties with 4 of them covered on Mondays to Fridays with an extra duty for the weekends.

The 120 is meant to be transferred from Phibsboro to Summerhill Garage in the autumn. I heard no word about timetable changes yet though.

Summerhill will definitely lose the 14 with it going back to Donnybrook Garage. The 14/61 duties are meant to be all operated in Donnybrook.

There is to be a new DB route operated by Donnybrook Garage in January 2019. I have no more info on what that route will be like for now.

Re: the 15 route. The Ringsend duties of the 15 is meant to swap to Donnybrook. Harristown duties for the 15 will remain unchanged.

I heard no word yet on the 15a/b/d current status in Ringsend.

Dravokivich · 25-09-2018 9:54am

cgcsb wrote: »

Traffic this morning was a free-for-all. traffic lights and bus lanes largely ignored, people (cars bikes and pedestrians) just taking a shared space approach to junctions. I'm reminded of a wet day in Morocco. The current plans for BusConnects, car bans etc. cannot come soon enough, there needs to be 1st world standards of law and order on the streets.

That's just a case of Monkey See Monkey Do. It has nothing to do with the modes and everything to do for those who've no capicity to think about what they're doing.

punisher5112 · 25-09-2018 6:00pm

15a/b stay where they are.

cherryghost · 06-11-2018 10:33am

Don't think there were accidents yesterday and today but I was 15 and 25 mins late from the norm yesterday morning and this morning respectively.

Buses were beyond capacity before reaching Crumlin (from Clondalkin). Today 2 people were sitting on the stairs and one woman standing upstairs. Horrifically bad.

punisher5112 · 06-11-2018 10:42am

cherryghost wrote: »

Don't think there were accidents yesterday and today but I was 15 and 25 mins late from the norm yesterday morning and this morning respectively.

Buses were beyond capacity before reaching Crumlin (from Clondalkin). Today 2 people were sitting on the stairs and one woman standing upstairs. Horrifically bad.

Rain, crashes and some more rain....

As soon as there is any dampness city goes to pot.

Today crashes everywhere and wet, 11km tail back on n4 I believe...

Lord Glentoran · 06-11-2018 8:45pm

City Center? Is this Dublin, Ohio we’re talking about?

n!ghtmancometh · 06-11-2018 9:40pm

Phantom empty 13 turned up in Clondalkin Village this morning around 8:40am (RTPI was saying 6 mins for usual timetabled bus) so was in earlier and in non squashed, steamed up window comfort, for once.

AlekSmart · 07-11-2018 7:22am

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

City Center? Is this Dublin, Ohio we’re talking about?

Indeed m'Lord,where can one protest (against) this infernal misuse of the mother tongue ? ......;)

punisher5112 · 07-11-2018 7:40am

Lord Glentoran wrote: »

City Center? Is this Dublin, Ohio we’re talking about?

Well I would have thought as the thread heading is Dublin that most at least would gather it's Dublin but not just the city centre....

cherryghost · 27-11-2018 9:31am

Today easily the worst. Bad weather, closed N3. 30mins late bus and still not in the city centre yet

Dublin Bus Changes to Improve City Center Journeys

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