Veyron

prospect · 31-01-2007 10:15am #1

The Bugatti Veyron: The most powerful, most expensive production car of all time It's been rumoured for a while, but finally it appears to be about to come to pass - Ireland will see its first Bugatti Veyron early this year.

Cunningham Higgins Specialist Cars in Galway has confirmed that it has one of the 400km/h machines on order for an - as yet unnamed - Irish customer.

Niall Cunningham, while insisting it was strictly "unconfirmed" as yet, said he was confident the supercar would be delivered within the next two months. There is no official retail price for the car in Ireland, but it is estimated the buyer will be at least €1.2 million out of pocket.

It is quite a coup for Cunningham Higgins. Slots on the waiting list for the Veyron, of which only 300 are being built, cost over €400,000. Developed in conjunction with Bugatti's parent company Volkswagen, the all-wheel drive Veyron is the most powerful, most expensive production car of all time. It is also the fastest, with a proven top speed of over 400 km/h.

Its V16 eight-litre quad-turbocharged engine generates 1,001 horse power, allowing it to accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h in 2.5 seconds.

It reaches 200 and 300 km/h in 7.3 and 16.7 seconds respectively.

This performance comes at a price - the Veyron is also the thirstiest supercar ever.

It goes through 40.4 L/100 km (5.82 mpg) in city driving and 24.1 L/100 km (10 mpg) in combined cycle.

If driven at full speed, its range would be a mere 80 kilometres, with its 100-litre fuel tank emptying in just 12.5 minutes.

(c) 2007 The Irish Times

KTRIC · 31-01-2007 10:50am

Clarkson test drove one of these shorty after they started selling them and he described it as the closest thing to a fighter jet without wings.

If I had the money, a Veyron would definitely be on my shopping list, along with a Marine Technologies Y2K

Henry Ford III · 31-01-2007 11:11am

Perfect for Irish roads, and handles speed bumps with aplomb

AJ! · 31-01-2007 11:26am

I think the owner of Molloy And Sherry Transport ordered one. I think his son owns Richford Motor Company...we talked about it on the "Here's What I Saw Today" thread

I'm surprised to hear that Cunningham Higgins have it ordered. I would have thought it would have to go through MSL? €1.2 is a little shy of the €1.9 estimate that Des Cullen Cars came up with last year...

drdre · 31-01-2007 11:49am

Can't wait to see one in ireland. Just as AJ said, No way is it going to be 1.2 million in ireland as they are selling abroad for that and then the vrt has to be added and the dealers profit.Also i would have thought Des cullen would have got the order instead of cunningham as cullen is more exclusive.

Wibbs · 31-01-2007 12:00pm

prospect wrote:

The Bugatti Veyron: The most powerful, most expensive production car of all time.....

and the most bloated and inefficient.

Hey I say good luck to the bloke or blokess that's going to get this car. Fair play. As a car though it leaves a lot to be desired in my humble.

The most impressive thing about it for me is the team of engineers that shoehorned all of that into a car whose outside design was fixed by management and marketing(a design which to my eyes is all over the place. it looks like it's constipated). Kudos to them, but it's more a backward engineering exercise than a car.

Its V16 eight-litre quad-turbocharged engine generates 1,001 horse power, allowing it to accelerate from 0 to 100 km/h in 2.5 seconds.

And loses something like 2000Bhp through transmission losses and heat. the damn thing has ten radiators. That's just mad and inefficient. The veyron is far too heavy to boot. The 10yr old Mclaren F1 only requires 2 rads and is not that much slower* with a smaller engine and no forced induction. certainly not four turbos. Mclaren had a better design ethos too. They started with the concept and engineered from the tyres up with strict weight/quality/power/handling goals. They almost left the outside design til last and only when it helped the engineering not hindered it like with the bugatti. With the bugatti they had a brief; here's the look of the car and it most do 400kph(in special mode). The fact that they actually did it is impressive.

*it is I know but you take my point

Gatster · 31-01-2007 12:01pm

Orignally posted By KTRIC
Marine Technologies Y2K

Seeing as we're shopping, I'll have this

drdre · 31-01-2007 12:02pm

Gatster wrote:

Seeing as we're shopping, I'll have this

That looks cool

Wibbs · 31-01-2007 12:52pm

Very cool indeed. The names a bit mad though. Wally power?:D

Biro · 31-01-2007 3:47pm

Wibbs wrote:

and the most bloated and inefficient.

Hey I say good luck to the bloke or blokess that's going to get this car. Fair play. As a car though it leaves a lot to be desired in my humble.

The most impressive thing about it for me is the team of engineers that shoehorned all of that into a car whose outside design was fixed by management and marketing(a design which to my eyes is all over the place. it looks like it's constipated). Kudos to them, but it's more a backward engineering exercise than a car.

And loses something like 2000Bhp through transmission losses and heat. the damn thing has ten radiators. That's just mad and inefficient. The veyron is far too heavy to boot. The 10yr old Mclaren F1 only requires 2 rads and is not that much slower* with a smaller engine and no forced induction. certainly not four turbos. Mclaren had a better design ethos too. They started with the concept and engineered from the tyres up with strict weight/quality/power/handling goals. They almost left the outside design til last and only when it helped the engineering not hindered it like with the bugatti. With the bugatti they had a brief; here's the look of the car and it most do 400kph(in special mode). The fact that they actually did it is impressive.

*it is I know but you take my point

Ya ya, you're probably right, but thats not the point. The point is that if you want the ultimate drivers machine, then you can have the F40 in the garage for the track. If you just want the ultimate powerhouse aswell and drive it every day (within reason), then the Veyron is serious. In fairness, give the McLaren a 10 second head start (at which point its at 124mph) and then start from standstill in the Veyron and it'll still get to 200mph first. Thats nothing short of incredible in a machine that weight!
And also no point in saying that the mclaren has a better engine cause it's not turbo charged... sure at 102bhp per litre, Honda have hammered that with the S2000 engine if we're comparing whats' the best N/A. Not really the point in cars like these!

Wibbs · 31-01-2007 7:16pm

Biro wrote:

Thats nothing short of incredible in a machine that weight!

Oh I agree with you there.

And also no point in saying that the mclaren has a better engine cause it's not turbo charged... sure at 102bhp per litre, Honda have hammered that with the S2000 engine if we're comparing whats' the best N/A.

I didn't I was just pointing out the Mclaren as an example is a better and more efficient engine/power design. The veyron could have been even better given a free rein from the start as opposed to being back engineered. Also as an "everyday" car the Mclaren would likely be the better bet. More seats, bigger storage space, better packaging in general, bigger range and far less to go wrong. I suspect if you found both cars in a shed 50yrs from now the F1 would be easiest to get going. The Veyron while impressive is an (brilliant)engineering solution to a marketing exercise. Oh AFAIR the honda integra was way before the s2000 in beating the Mclaren.

Fey! · 31-01-2007 7:50pm

AJ! wrote:

I'm surprised to hear that Cunningham Higgins have it ordered. I would have thought it would have to go through MSL?

TBH, I'm not surprised that Cunningham Higgins are ordering it; they do a suprisingly large amount of Aston Martins, Porsches, Ferraris and their ilk. Nice bunch of people to deal with, too.

Plus they don't look down their noses at people with MUCH lower budgets (sub €10k!). A friend of mine got a great deal there last year on a '01 525 Sport with high spec and low mileage; they were several thousand euros cheaper than any other one we could find.

31-01-2007 11:26pm

Wibbs wrote:

and the most bloated and inefficient.

Hey I say good luck to the bloke or blokess that's going to get this car. Fair play. As a car though it leaves a lot to be desired in my humble.

The most impressive thing about it for me is the team of engineers that shoehorned all of that into a car whose outside design was fixed by management and marketing(a design which to my eyes is all over the place. it looks like it's constipated). Kudos to them, but it's more a backward engineering exercise than a car.

And loses something like 2000Bhp through transmission losses and heat. the damn thing has ten radiators. That's just mad and inefficient. The veyron is far too heavy to boot. The 10yr old Mclaren F1 only requires 2 rads and is not that much slower* with a smaller engine and no forced induction. certainly not four turbos. Mclaren had a better design ethos too. They started with the concept and engineered from the tyres up with strict weight/quality/power/handling goals. They almost left the outside design til last and only when it helped the engineering not hindered it like with the bugatti. With the bugatti they had a brief; here's the look of the car and it most do 400kph(in special mode). The fact that they actually did it is impressive.

*it is I know but you take my point

Yes but the shape of the ugly critter means more wind resistance. And also as you get faster and faster more power is needed per mph of top speed. So the extra few mph of the veyon over the F1 might seem little but it corresponds to massive extra power required.

Seth Brundle · 31-01-2007 11:49pm

I'll buy a pint to the first person who gets a pic of it on the road for the HWIST thread!

unkel · 01-02-2007 12:03am

Wibbs wrote:

and the most bloated and inefficient

Sure but Ferdi had to put his mark in motoring history somewhere. He did well with the Veyron which of course was a tour de force. Fair play to Ferdi as he wasn't blessed with the same surname as the other Ferdis

AJ! · 01-02-2007 1:20am

kbannon wrote:

I'll buy a pint to the first person who gets a pic of it on the road for the HWIST thread!

Me :cool:

stevecrow74 · 01-02-2007 6:14am

hummmm.. galway to dublin in under an hour... with every traffic warden gardai and boyracer on its tail

:eek: :eek:

kaizersoze123 · 01-02-2007 9:36am

stevecrow74 wrote:

hummmm.. galway to dublin in under an hour... with every traffic warden gardai and boyracer on its tail :eek: :eek:

Stopping to refill the 100 litre tank 5 times in that hour though

HashSlinging · 01-02-2007 9:48am

So what your trying to say is a passat TDi 130bhp is faster.

Interceptor · 01-02-2007 10:17am

Cunningham Higgins have used 'unconfirmed' press releases to claim that they were getting an SLR McLaren and various Lamborghinis which never materialised. Me doubt very much they will get a Veyron, but if I get a whiff of it I'll be over in my Cinq to annoy them.

The Veyron will look well on their forecourt with all the old 9-3's and '99 Honda CR-v's...

'cptr

prospect · 01-02-2007 10:46am

Interceptor wrote:

Cunningham Higgins have used 'unconfirmed' press releases to claim that they were getting an SLR McLaren and various Lamborghinis which never materialised. Me doubt very much they will get a Veyron, but if I get a whiff of it I'll be over in my Cinq to annoy them.

The Veyron will look well on their forecourt with all the old 9-3's and '99 Honda CR-v's...

'cptr

I have heard fairly strong reports elsewhere that there is one being imported. I am also surprised it is coming through Galway, as the reports I heard are of a Dublin customer. So my bet is that Ireland will see one, soon.

KBannon, I reckon I'll be getting that pint off you...

drdre · 01-02-2007 12:24pm

prospect wrote:

I have heard fairly strong reports elsewhere that there is one being imported. I am also surprised it is coming through Galway, as the reports I heard are of a Dublin customer. So my bet is that Ireland will see one, soon.

KBannon, I reckon I'll be getting that pint off you...

yeah i think it will be coming through a dublin dealer ,why go to galway to get such an expensive car.I think des cullen or someone like that in dublin will get it.Richford motors have some amazing stock like the f430

.I would love to see the veyron in real life.

Robbo · 01-02-2007 12:35pm

Any guesses as to who's the likely purchaser?

TheBazman · 01-02-2007 1:43pm

How much do you reckon insurance on the Veyron would be?

HashSlinging · 01-02-2007 2:31pm

about 30k I'd say at a guess, I'd say some sort of car club will buy it.

drdre · 01-02-2007 2:38pm

HashSlinging wrote:

about 30k I'd say at a guess, I'd say some sort of car club will buy it.

Nah i think the insurance will be well less than 10k as the buyer will be over 25 so insurance will be lower.i know a guy who is around 35 and insurance on a f430 is only 4k.now thats cheap.

Interceptor · 01-02-2007 2:41pm

drdre wrote:

yeah i think it will be coming through a dublin dealer ,why go to galway to get such an expensive car.

To avoid knob-end Dublin car dealers...

'cptr

drdre · 01-02-2007 3:00pm

Interceptor wrote:

To avoid knob-end Dublin car dealers...

'cptr

, Does anyone know of a super car club in ireland.i read about it in the sunday business post afew months ago.

WizZard · 01-02-2007 3:05pm

TheBazman wrote:

How much do you reckon insurance on the Veyron would be?

If you have to ask, you can't afford it

but seriously, that's a bit of an open ended question. Lots of factors influence insurance premiums, and none are mentioned there

overdriver · 01-02-2007 3:08pm

drdre wrote:

yeah i think it will be coming to a dublin drugdealer

Fixed that for ya, Dre.

drdre · 01-02-2007 3:15pm

overdriver wrote:

Fixed that for ya, Dre.

, if a drug dealer gets it he would be stung by the police, so i think they still drive their micras and toyota glanza (no offence to anyone that owns one)to stay out of trouble.

colm_mcm · 01-02-2007 3:16pm

Hope it isn't one of the lads out of Westlife.

drdre · 01-02-2007 3:21pm

colm_mcm wrote:

Hope it isn't one of the lads out of Westlife.

Nah i wouldnt say so.I would think its some car collector / Car enthusiast or some wealthy businessman who doesnt know where to spend his money:D

prospect · 01-02-2007 3:47pm

It is a car enthusiast, the person already owns at least one other mega-serious machine.

Seth Brundle · 01-02-2007 3:54pm

prospect wrote:

It is a car enthusiast, the person already owns at least one other mega-serious machine.

Ford GT?

Robbo · 01-02-2007 3:59pm

kbannon wrote:

Ford GT?

Chipped Passat TDI 130 from the rumour I heard.

prospect · 01-02-2007 4:17pm

kbannon wrote:

Ford GT?

smash · 01-02-2007 4:23pm

AJ! wrote:

I think the owner of Molloy And Sherry Transport ordered one. I think his son owns Richford Motor Company...we talked about it on the "Here's What I Saw Today" thread

I was talking to someone recently about this and found out that it's not true, also found out the VRT on the Veyron is 550k... And Des Cullen is taking ownership of Ireland's first 599 GTB this month. They've also pre-ordered one of the first SLR convertibles in europe, and it'll be THE first SLR ever produced with regular doors!

TheBazman · 01-02-2007 5:39pm

WizZard wrote:

If you have to ask, you can't afford it

but seriously, that's a bit of an open ended question. Lots of factors influence insurance premiums, and none are mentioned there

Yeah agree its a bit open ended but was just curious as to whether it would be around the 5k area or the 30k area. Either way, as was eluded to, if your spending that on a car 30k isnt a problem.

As an aside I remember Clarkson sayin that each titanium indicator stalk is £4,500 if it needs replacing!!

OfflerCrocGod · 01-02-2007 7:25pm

steve06 wrote:

And Des Cullen is taking ownership of Ireland's first 499 this month.

You mean 599? One ugly car.

Plug · 01-02-2007 9:08pm

Was there something in one of the papers about this today?

drdre · 01-02-2007 10:57pm

steve06 wrote:

I was talking to someone recently about this and found out that it's not true, also found out the VRT on the Veyron is 550k... And Des Cullen is taking ownership of Ireland's first 499 this month. They've also pre-ordered one of the first SLR convertibles in europe, and it'll be THE first SLR ever produced with regular doors!

If the vrt is 550k then the prices for the veyron in the papers are wrong as its 1.2 million in europe and 550k added would make it pprox 1.8 million in ireland.Also the its not ferrari 499 but they usually get the ferraris first because des cullen has a close connections with ferrari directly, like the f430 they got was one of the 1st off the production line

smash · 01-02-2007 11:08pm

drdre wrote:

If the vrt is 550k then the prices for the veyron in the papers are wrong as its 1.2 million in europe and 550k added would make it pprox 1.8 million in ireland.Also the its not ferrari 499 but they usually get the ferraris first because des cullen has a close connections with ferrari directly, like the f430 they got was one of the 1st off the production line

ye 599, I pressed 4 by mistake... and it will be the first one in Ireland dre.

Biro · 02-02-2007 12:53am

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

You mean 599? One ugly car.

I didn't like it either till I saw one... they look class! The 550/575 are now killed off thanks to this!! The 612 on the other hand isn't my cuppa tea.

OfflerCrocGod · 02-02-2007 1:00am

Biro wrote:

I didn't like it either till I saw one... they look class! The 550/575 are now killed off thanks to this!! The 612 on the other hand isn't my cuppa tea.

Yes it's ugly but it's $*%!ing amazing car which makes it beautiful - sort of like the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione one really ugly car but at the same time it's just stunning. If you know what I mean.

drdre · 02-02-2007 1:03am

Plug wrote:

Was there something in one of the papers about this today?

Yeap i seen it in the mirror or evening herald.I cant remember which one i bought today.they were saying the same thing that its ordered from galway dealership etc.And that its 1.2 million ,I still cant believe its going to be sold that cheap as there 1.2 in europe without vrt.and vrt is approx 550k as mentioned in this thread.:cool:

turbo · 02-02-2007 1:25am

drdre wrote:

Yeap i seen it in the mirror or evening herald.I cant remember which one i bought today.they were saying the same thing that its ordered from galway dealership etc.And that its 1.2 million ,I still cant believe its going to be sold that cheap as there 1.2 in europe without vrt.and vrt is approx 550k as mentioned in this thread.:cool:

it'll end up costing close to 2 million

rabbitinlights · 02-02-2007 1:37am

Gordan Ramsey drove his 599 in Ireland about 3-4 weeks ago, I didnt see it (Im in Vietnam) but it was parked in Eyre sq for about 20mins by all accounts.

drdre · 02-02-2007 1:37am

turbo wrote:

it'll end up costing close to 2 million

yes thats what i was thinking.These cars are in demand so they are expensive to purchase.The dealer also has to make abit of profit so its going to be no where near 1.2 million.

Biro · 02-02-2007 10:15am

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Yes it's ugly but it's $*%!ing amazing car which makes it beautiful - sort of like the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione one really ugly car but at the same time it's just stunning. If you know what I mean.

Seriously though, have you seen one in the metal yet? I honestly think they're the best looking V12 Ferrari in a long time.

prospect · 02-02-2007 10:52am

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

sort of like the Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione one really ugly car

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Veyron

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