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Coronavirus Part V - 34 cases in ROI, 16 in NI (as of 10 March) *Read warnings in OP*

  • 08-03-2020 11:25am
    #1
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,514 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    6 cases already in the Republic, 3 in the North. I fully expect temperatures to rise but would request everyone pays attention to the mod warnings carried over from earlier threads and set out below. In particular please remain civil to each other

    First thread

    Thread II

    Thread III

    Thread IV

    Mod warnings:
    Beasty wrote: »
    OK, time to step in with some mod instructions:

    1. Please interact in a civil manner
    2. Do not tell others what to do, or what to post
    3. If you have a problem with a post report it and leave the modding to the mods

    In terms of thread content:

    4. Treat everything you read here with caution. Anything posted is from an anonymous internet poster. You cannot assume anyone has any "specialist" knowledge whatever they claim
    5. Statistics are important to some (and I personally pay a lot of attention to them), but they are of very little use to anyone who is already caught up in this, or indeed knows of people who are caught up
    6. Terms such as "sinus", "airborne", "aerosol" have little relevance at this time in this jurisdiction. Ultimately though if cases are discovered in Ireland please pay attention to the relevant authorities and what they advise/recommend, and not some randomer(s) on the internet

    All the above is me talking as a complete layman on the subject. Like everything in this thread do not treat it as chapter and verse, beyond paying attention to items 1-3 above

    Any questions please PM me - do not try and dissect this post in-thread
    Beasty wrote: »
    Last time it was a "suggestion"/request

    Now it's an instruction

    Stop all the tit for tat stuff on the stats. None of us are in full possession of the facts and none of us can draw any "definitive" conclusions. Bottom line. It's serious. Not serious in Ireland at this stage, but may become so. Anyone caught up in this is not going to take much solace from any stats however they are complied

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread
    Beasty wrote: »
    OK

    A number of posts have been sanctioned although it could have been many more

    Could everyone please re-read the warnings in the OP

    Could I also re-emphasise - attack the post, not the poster

    I understand people can get very emotional about this sort of thing. Regardless of that there is no reason this cannot be discussed in a civil manner. Yes there are people implying there is little to worry about. Equally there are some doom and gloom merchants in the thread. Despite appearances I actually think most posters are probably somewhere in the middle recognising this is serious, but at this stage not overly so in Ireland

    Whatever your own views are please recognise others are entitled to different views., Even if at different extremes please do not try and repeatedly ram your views down the throats of those who have differing views

    In due course we may well have a far better understanding of this virus, but at present I do not think anyone can claim anything approaching a full understanding, and as always we need to take information posted by anonymous internet posters with a pinch of salt

    Any questions PM me
    Beasty wrote: »
    I'm opening this one up with a very clear warning. Cut out all this cover-up/conspiracy stuff. If you have a reliable source quote it (not just their words but provide a link to a reliable source) - otherwise your claims carry little if any weight
    Beasty wrote: »
    A reminder to everyone

    It is against site rules to seek or offer any medical advice. Please do not post here about your symptoms asking what to do. Contact your doctor by telephone and they can advise you as appropriate
    Beasty wrote: »
    A few reminders:

    1. Some posters have been less than civil in their posting - particularly in the last few hours. Continue interacting in an uncivil manner and your posting privileges will be removed

    2. Until something is reported "officially" treat anything you read here with suspicion. I am not saying posters are deliberately posting misleading or incorrect information, but this site, as well as other social media outlets cannot be considered "verifiable" news outlets. Of course if the likes of the HSE have a verified Twitter account we can assume what they post is accurate. Randomers on here or elsewhere cannot be considered "official" or "reliable" sources

    3. I have little doubt there is some kind of lag in reporting "official" updates to numbers as I equally have little doubt there will be procedures to follow before any case becomes formally "confirmed". Hence you may feel you have information that contradicts any "official" information. That's not necessarily the case - it may be that you have access to information before others. Regardless of that do not post it as an actual case here. We can only go by official updates and you can expect others to be sceptical about anything not coming from an official source. That does not make your information wrong, but it needs to be formally verified before you should be claiming anything is "fact"

    All threadbans carry over, but we will reconsider if anyone wishes to discuss it further via PM

    Please remember we have a Conspiracy Theories forum for speculation. Treat any information posted here as if it's from an anonymous internet poster. No-one is an expert here whatever they may claim. Please provide reliable sources where you can, and if you cannot please caveat your claims accordingly


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  • #2
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    First post of the thread.


  • #3
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    giphy.gif


  • #4
    ChurchtownMan
    Site Banned Posts: 38 ✭ChurchtownMan


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Italy locked down the initial cluster immediately, the village was surrounded by police cars, people couldn't get in or out. Unfortunately it was too late already because new clusters were popping up everywhere.

    Any country that wants to criticise Italy can only do so if it has proven that whatever cases have emerged for them, they have handled it, shut down the spread, and are sure they have all cases in quaranteen.
    In short, there is no such country known to be in that position.


  • #5
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Can we have a stricter policy against posters insulting those of us merely providing news and updates?


  • #6
    Woke Hogan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    Any word on the alleged exposure to the virus at the Blindboy gig?


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  • #7
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Someone mentioned Drogheda at the end of the other thread. Any links or sources for that?


  • #8
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Can we have a stricter policy against posters insulting those of us merely providing news and updates?

    Look nobody cares that there is a sale on in Penneys.;)


  • #9
    transylman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭transylman


    Boggles the mind that Patricks day parades have not been cancelled yet. They were postponed back in 2001 due to the uk foot and mouth outbreak, along with 6 nations moved back to autumn. Current situation would merit at least this level of response.


  • #10
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    ChurchtownMan wrote: »
    Any country that wants to criticise Italy can only do so if it has proven that whatever cases have emerged for them, they have handled it, shut down the spread, and are sure they have all cases in quaranteen.
    In short, there is no such country known to be in that position.


    Finally some sense
    In fact Italy, France and Germany manage to contain the initial few cases for more than a month before the inevitable outbreak

    We here are moving a lot faster


  • #11
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    Look nobody cares that there is a sale on in Penneys.;)

    I care. :angry:


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  • #12
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    giphy.gif

    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way


  • #13
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    MD1990 wrote: »
    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way

    Absolute nonsense.


  • #14
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    transylman wrote: »
    Boggles the mind that Patricks day parades have not been cancelled yet. They were postponed back in 2001 due to the uk foot and mouth outbreak, along with 6 nations moved back to autumn. Current situation would merit at least this level of response.


    People seem more worried about flights from Malpensa than rubbing shulders with thousands of random strangers at the parade


  • #15
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    tenor.gif

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #16
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    MD1990 wrote: »
    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way

    You sound like Mr Trump. Oh if you are worried you obviously want people to die.


  • #17
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    MD1990 wrote: »
    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way

    Yes I am sure people think it's great fun.:rolleyes:

    Sitting there thinking to themselves when do I get it?


  • #18
    [Deleted User]
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    Duke of Url wrote: »
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  • #19
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    MD1990 wrote: »
    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way

    Is this the:

    Thread: TERRORIST ATTACK HAS HAPPENED IN X
    Poster: Oh you just wet yourself every time there's a terrorist attack, don't you?

    Kind of shíte we are in for now?


  • #20
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Italy locked down the initial cluster immediately, the village was surrounded by police cars, people couldn't get in or out. Unfortunately it was too late already because new clusters were popping up everywhere.

    By locking down the initial cluster i mean they should have locked down the whole metropolitan area rather than a few villages and actually enforced travel bans as well as public gathering restrictions (and as a side note they gained nothing by not doing it as now they end up having to do it anyway although what they are enforcing now is still milder than what China did with Wuhan at an earlier stage of the outbreak).

    What you describe above is as if China had just sent a few police cars around the neighbourhood of the original market an assumed that would do the trick ... before realising it was not enough when other parts of the country had started to see similar growth as Wuhan (but as opposed to Europe they managed to avoid that last bit). If you compare it to China Italy is a case of “too little, too late”.


  • #21
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    MD1990 wrote: »
    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way

    source.gif

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • #22
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Someone mentioned Drogheda at the end of the other thread. Any links or sources for that?

    That was me. What evidence can I provide that you will believe? Should be in today's press release or tomorrow conference. Definitely 3 cases there at the moment.


  • #23
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Absolute nonsense.

    It's not nonsense, I am enjoying it, its exciting.


  • #24
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    MD1990 wrote: »
    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way


    People mistake interest for enjoyment. You can see the same comments when a storm is coming on the weather threads and people are posting about it there.


  • #25
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,151 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Finally some sense
    In fact Italy, France and Germany manage to contain the initial few cases for more than a month before the inevitable outbreak

    We here are moving a lot faster

    Wouldn't be so sure about that?

    Example is guy in Cork. No travel abroad and no know contact with case so no immediate test for Covid-19. They could not figure out why he was ill...in and out of hospital....so eventually they decided to test for Covid-19. Bingo!

    That's how the virus gets past the 'controls' put in place and how we move on from the containment phase!


  • #26
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    US2 wrote: »
    That was me. What evidence can I provide that you will believe? Should be in today's press release or tomorrow conference. Definitely 3 cases there at the moment.

    I’m assuming you know these people. Are they doing ok?


  • #27
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,901 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    US2 wrote: »
    That was me. What evidence can I provide that you will believe? Should be in today's press release or tomorrow conference. Definitely 3 cases there at the moment.

    Not saying I don't believe it.

    Im asking what is your source? Word of mouth? Hospital itself?...


  • #28
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    Any word on the alleged exposure to the virus at the Blindboy gig?

    Apparently there were zero excited pre laugh inhales so unless you were sneezed on by the carrier :P
    Be graaaaaand!


  • #29
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    US2 wrote: »
    It's not nonsense, I am enjoying it, its exciting.

    Come back once you or an older relative have caught it.


  • #30
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    US2 wrote: »
    That was me. What evidence can I provide that you will believe? Should be in today's press release or tomorrow conference. Definitely 3 cases there at the moment.

    In fairness without a link it's just hearsay.

    I'm expecting more cases because of the nature surrounding the last confirmed cases. I would be surprised if the guy in CUH has not infected numerous people. However you can't interrogate evidence if it isn't provided in the first place.
    givyjoe wrote: »
    Come back once you or an older relative have caught it.

    I think his post was tongue in cheek.


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  • #31
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Bob24 wrote: »
    By locking down the initial cluster i mean they should have locked down the whole metropolitan area rather than a few villages and actually enforced travel bans as well as public gathering restrictions (and as a side note they gained nothing by not doing it as now they end up having to do it anyway although what they are enforcing now is still milder than what China did with Wuhan at an earlier stage of the outbreak).
    What whole metropolitan area exactly?


  • #32
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,151 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Achasanai wrote: »
    People mistake interest for enjoyment. You can see the same comments when a storm is coming on the weather threads and people are posting about it there.

    Also some people get upset/angry when the storm is not as bad as predicted!

    I suspect some people on here will only be happy when we are burying people!!!


  • #33
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    TheValeyard wrote: »
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    Original


  • #34
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    Let's hope thread five has more positive news than the previous one had.

    Also is there anything to be said for splitting the updates between a thread for Ireland and one for the rest of the world? Some people literally just come on, post a link to BNO's twitter about South Korea with no comment and f off until later, when they do the same thing about Lombardy.


  • #35
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭ [Deleted User]


    US2 wrote: »
    That was me. What evidence can I provide that you will believe? Should be in today's press release or tomorrow conference. Definitely 3 cases there at the moment.

    So you for a fact that there is three confirmed cases in Drogheda? Do you work in the healthcare profession? Or is this word of mouth through whatsapp. I would see no reason if they were confirmed, why it wouldn't be included in a press release.


  • #36
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    MD1990 wrote: »
    sums this thread up.

    I believe some are secretly enjoying this unfold in a weird way

    Every time I see a poster say this it makes me wish I could pop out of the other end of the screen, hit them a slap, then fade back into the screen


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  • #37
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    I’m assuming you know these people. Are they doing ok?

    Take this guy's posts with a pinch of salt. He's literally just said he's enjoying this and finds.it exciting. Perhaps a joke, but perhaps he's just on the wind up.


  • #38
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Every time I see a poster say this it makes me wish I could pop out of the other end of the screen, hit them a slap, then fade back into the screen

    And to add to your point it is the people who wanted the flights stopped and the parade cancelled are the people who are meant to be enjoying it.


  • #39
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Every time I see a poster say this it makes me wish I could pop out of the other end of the screen, hit them a slap, then fade back into the screen

    Now that happening would be genuine cause for alarm.


  • #40
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,713 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Regarding the thousands of Italian rugby fans we allowed in for a game that was cancelled, is ther now a chance they will now permanently be in Dublin, given lockdown in Italy? - seams beyond crazy this situation, we should have acted like the Italians and just banned flights coming in this weekend from Italy.


  • #41
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Katie Dirty Copperhead wrote: »
    What whole metropolitan area exactly?

    Won’t go into detailed Italian geography, but to summarise it simply (I am sure they have data to define it better): you draw a line from Venice to Milan and include anything within 25km of that line. This basically seems to be where the cluster started.


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  • #42
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Also some people get upset/angry when the storm is not as bad as predicted!

    I suspect some people on here will only be happy when we are burying people!!!

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  • #43
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,585 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    I find it interesting and annoying at the same time. I'm confused aswell by is, the general public, collectively looking at ways in which we slow or reduce infections, or organise things better, and yet the government don't seem capable of doing it.

    Are the government the morons, or are we, the general public, the ones who are misinformed?


  • #44
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Finally some sense
    In fact Italy, France and Germany manage to contain the initial few cases for more than a month before the inevitable outbreak

    We here are moving a lot faster

    Deadly serious question, can you qualify what you mean by “we here are moving a lot faster?”

    I’m seeing a lot of posters say things will be grand and government is balanced. Well that’s great, I’d just like to hear the examples of the actions the government are taking to slow down the spread. We are in a containment phase but we know we will most likely be moving up a phase soon enough. so what are we doing to contain apart from running around on the backfoot trying to locate everybody who may or may not have had contact with our few confirmed cases? And don’t answer with “WHO says” or we are following other countries lead. South Korea and China are the ones WHO have been saying have been handling this crisis well. You don’t follow Italy and Germany into sh*t just because they are EU countries, you try to stay a step ahead by not doing what countries who are in bits did, so what are we doing to make sure we don’t end up like Italy?

    People are right to be dubious and ask questions because what’s being said and what’s actually being done doesn’t stack up. They want us to take precautions to limit the spread but just not when it’s going to result in financial loss. If we are weeks ahead of Italy , what are we doing that they didn’t two 2 weeks ago?

    You see I don’t mind being led by a government when what they say and do matches. I also don’t mind having it explained to me why certain things are so “we won’t be as bad as Italy”. But soundbite statements with no information or based on “well we don’t know but let’s presume the positive” are just not going to wash with me.

    Calling people hysterical is not helpful or conducive to discussion, it’s nearly like some people have their fingers in the ears and can’t engage anybody who has differing views to their own. I feel I’m ready for what’s coming but I don’t feel many others are. I feel lack of transparency is leading to the issues we are seeing including distrust of decisions being made. We don’t need to know who is infected (like that poor doctor whose life is prob ruined) , don’t want to see that straw man argument that I think many, if any are suggesting.


  • #45
    Lashes28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Lashes28


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Someone mentioned Drogheda at the end of the other thread. Any links or sources for that?

    No links or sources just hear say. Apparently they cleared out beds for 3 cases but it's a whatsapp rumor


  • #46
    Arrival
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    thebaz wrote: »
    Regarding the thousands of Italian rugby fans we allowed in for a game that was cancelled, is ther now a chance they will now permanently be in Dublin, given lockdown in Italy - seams beyond crazy thios situation.

    No, I wouldn't imagine so, they'll surely allow their own people to return to their home country because they'd find their way home either way. Should have a system in place where everyone is held up as soon as they get off the plane though and only people returning to the country are allowed in. But they should make announcements about all of this anyway so nobody tries to travel there. Anyone else on the plane gets sent back and when they land in their original country they should be quarantined for the 14 days as well


  • #47
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Well I just hope both this thread and the global pandemic unfolds with absolutely everybody doing/saying every single last thing precisely the way I would like them to do/say those things.

    It is not too much to ask. Surely? :(


  • #48
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Won’t go into detailed Italian geography, but to summarise it simply: you draw a line from Venice to Milan and include anything within 25km of that line. This basically seems to be where the cluster started.

    That is useless as a description, since places in Emilia and Marche are included.


  • #49
    William Legrande
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭William Legrande


    Has Iran just reported 49 deaths today?


  • #50
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ArchXStanton wrote: »
    Every time I see a poster say this it makes me wish I could pop out of the other end of the screen, hit them a slap, then fade back into the screen
    It would be hard to deny the suspicion that some are getting off on panic porn.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #51
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to give up sniffing glue


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