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Does Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

  • 14-05-2018 9:58pm
    #1
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
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    After today's massacre, over 55 dead so far. Absolutely no regard for Palestinians basic human rights. What is the end game? Tomorrow marks the 70th anniversary of the Nakba and things are only getting worse. Events in the occupied territories are worse than anything endured in apartheid south Africa. They need support from the ground up from all people as the political will is not there.


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  • #2
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    I would hope the Irish defence forces would shoot dead any person or groups who would try to cross our border with criminal intent.


  • #3
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    No-one said the Palestinians had to riot and act the bollocks because an embassy opened.

    But they did.

    Nobody said the Palestinians had to start invading the border of Israel despite being warned numerous times not to do so.

    But they did.


  • #4
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    I would have thought that was obvious,the IDF have been jizzing in their pants since this protest kicked off...gives them a chance to pick off a few more Palestinians


  • #5
    utyh2ikcq9z76b
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭utyh2ikcq9z76b


    In our own history we have bloody Sunday in Derry when people decided to protest and British soldiers shot 28 unarmed civilians. The scale of what is happening to Palestinians dwarfs anything that ever happened in our own troubles. Apartheid Israel has brought barbaric treatment to a whole new level


  • #6
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Seth Yellow Cobra wrote: »
    In our own history we have bloody Sunday in Derry when people decided to protest and British soldiers shot 28 unarmed civilians. The scale of what is happening to Palestinians dwarfs anything that ever happened in our own troubles. Apartheid Israel has brought barbaric treatment to a whole new level

    And, as usual, it is a bunch of kleptocratic Palestinian "politicians" that profit from keeping the conflict going so that they can siphon off more aid money from the West. And at the same time, sacrifice kids so that they can do so.

    Plus Ca Change...


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  • #7
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Seth Yellow Cobra wrote: »
    Do Israel want to wipe out the Palestinians?

    The answer is of course no. Even during the last "war" against the palestinians 3 or 4 years ago the Gazan population actually went up despite the deaths due to the ridiculously high birth rate of the palestinians.

    Hamas knew what would happen when they organised these attacks on the border, they are quite happy for the Israelis to create more "martyrs" that they can parade on western media.


  • #8
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    I would hope the Irish defence forces would shoot dead any person or groups who would try to cross our border with criminal intent.

    If any European nation behaved like that they would be kicked out of the EU. And rightly so.


  • #9
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 54,087 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The US has a lot to answer for in regards to Israel. Hypocrites.


  • #10
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    The answer is of course no. Even during the last "war" against the palestinians 3 or 4 years ago the Gazan population actually went up despite the deaths due to the ridiculously high birth rate of the palestinians.

    Hamas knew what would happen when they organised these attacks on the border, they are quite happy for the Israelis to create more "martyrs" that they can parade on western media.

    What does “knowing what would happen” mean? When white supremicists shot at peaceful black protests, did the responsibility like with Martin Luther king or the ANC?


  • #11
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Imagine a middle East that was lead by decent, honest politicians and not murderous rabble rousers


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  • #12
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    If any European nation behaved like that they would be kicked out of the EU. And rightly so.

    Nonsense, if that was true the Baltic states would now be back in the Russian "motherland" by now.


  • #13
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    And, as usual, it is a bunch of kleptocratic Palestinian "politicians" that profit from keeping the conflict going so that they can siphon off more aid money from the West. And at the same time, sacrifice kids so that they can do so.

    Plus Ca Change...

    Victim blaming.


  • #14
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Nonsense, if that was true the Baltic states would now be back in the Russian "motherland" by now.

    What are you talking about?


  • #15
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    And, as usual, it is a bunch of kleptocratic Palestinian "politicians" that profit from keeping the conflict going so that they can siphon off more aid money from the West. And at the same time, sacrifice kids so that they can do so.

    Plus Ca Change...

    What conflict?

    By the IDF's own admission one soldier was "slightly wounded by shrapnel" and "Our troops have not taken any sustained direct fire". Also no one crossed the border.

    55 Palestinians are dead. 2,000 are injured.

    That's not a bloody "conflict"


  • #16
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    I would hope the Irish defence forces would shoot dead any person or groups who would try to cross our border with criminal intent.

    I'd be incredibly ashamed if our soldiers showed such blatant disregard for life, that they kill children and journalists


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    No-one said the Palestinians had to riot and act the bollocks because an embassy opened.

    But they did.

    Nobody said the Palestinians had to start invading the border of Israel despite being warned numerous times not to do so.

    But they did.

    JIDF like b*ll*xology. You honestly believe that most people believe this crap? To make it understandable in an Irish context its like arguing that Widgery was more truthful than Saville when trying to explain what happened on Bloody Sunday.


  • #18
    RustyNut
    Registered Users Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    I would hope the Irish defence forces would shoot dead any person or groups who would try to cross our border with criminal intent.

    The Irish Defence Forces are not war criminals who murder unarmed civilians.


  • #19
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Israel has been for a very long time a murder machine.


  • #20
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    What does “knowing what would happen” mean?

    Are you being disingenuous? Hamas is ok with palestinians being killed, it's good PR for them. They couldn't care less about them, the more dead the better for Hamas.
    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    When white supremicists shot at peaceful black protests, did the responsibility like with Martin Luther king or the ANC?

    That's a strawman argument. The palestinian protestors weren't non-violent.

    Israel will protect it's border, the danger of Hamas or another terrorist group using these "riots" as cover to insert terrorists into Israel is too high for them to take a hands-off approach.


  • #21
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Well one can be certain that the Palestinians would wipe out Israel if they got the chance.


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  • #22
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    There are no good guys in Israel or Palestine - it's just a question which version of bad you prefer to back for crude political reasons


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Are you being disingenuous? Hamas is ok with palestinians being killed, it's good PR for them. They couldn't care less about them, the more dead the better for Hamas.



    That's a strawman argument. The palestinian protestors weren't non-violent.

    Israel will protect it's border, the danger of Hamas or another terrorist group using these "riots" as cover to insert terrorists into Israel is too high for them to take a hands-off approach.

    So mow down everybody then as a tactic? Message understood.


  • #24
    dulpit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Israeli spokesperson on RTE essentially said that they were shooting at the Palestinians because they don't have space in prison. And some of them are hamas.

    Hamas = bad
    Israel = bad

    Not sure how you can be in favour of either side here... It's a mess.


  • #25
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    What conflict?

    By the IDF's own admission one soldier was "slightly wounded by shrapnel" and "Our troops have not taken any sustained direct fire". Also no one crossed the border.

    55 Palestinians are dead. 2,000 are injured.

    That's not a bloody "conflict"

    The conflict that has been going on the region for 50+ years.

    Do keep up.


  • #26
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »
    What are you talking about?

    Ukraines border has already been compromised by Russia. If they thought the EU would stand by and just let a bunch of right wing nut jobs just walk across the borders of Eastern European nations unaposed they would be occupied by now.


  • #27
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    RustyNut wrote: »
    The Irish Defence Forces are not war criminals who murder unarmed civilians.

    Perhaps if Ireland was built a few years ago based on the mass seizure of land from the native inhabitants and today we were systematically colonising the remaining bits then the poster might have a point.

    Stupidest f*cking comparison I've seen all day.


  • #28
    guestwifi
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭guestwifi


    If Israel wanted the Palestinians gone it would be over in mere hours. Yet Gaza and the West Bank still stand.


  • #29
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    dresden8 wrote: »
    Victim blaming.

    The kids are the victims. I'm not blaming them.

    I blame the Palestinian "Politicians".


  • #30
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It's murder, murder, murder, murder . No other name for it. Scandalous nation is Israel.


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  • #31
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    I would hope the Irish defence forces would shoot dead any person or groups who would try to cross our border with criminal intent.

    Do you think that the British army should have gone to town on republicans during the troubles? The Israelis are making Bloody Sunday look like a minor infraction at this stage.


  • #32
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    Israel just wants to protect her people, and live in peace.


  • #33
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »
    Israel just wants to protect her people, and live in peace.

    Why is it expanding illegal settlements then and also building new ones?


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    The kids are the victims. I'm not blaming them.

    I blame the Palestinian "Politicians".

    So you would blame the march organisers and not the Paras for Bloody Sunday in 1972 if you were going to be consistent about this type of stuff?


  • #35
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    NI Civil rights marchers took part in dignified peaceful protests looking for their basic rights, they did not attack the BA neither were they seeking to destroy the UK.


  • #36
    Class of 82
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    It's time to expel the Israeli ambassador.

    The least we can do to show some solidarity with the Palestinian people.


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  • #37
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So you would blame the march organisers and not the Paras for Bloody Sunday in 1972 if you were going to be consistent about this type of stuff?

    See the post below yours.

    The difference is that the Palestinian "Politicians" agitate for violence because they know they will get a violent response from Israel.

    More money will then be sent in from fools in the West which goes into the Palestinian "Politicians" pockets.

    And the cycle continues....


  • #38
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Why is it expanding illegal settlements then and also building new ones?

    They are not illegal :D


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    NI Civil rights marchers took part in dignified peaceful protests looking for their basic rights, they did not attack the BA neither were they seeking to destroy the UK.

    Yep, todays events were the first acts that are going to lead to the eventual destruction of Israel. :rolleyes:

    Jesus, what nonsense. Do you honestly believe theres an existential threat to Israel?


  • #40
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    The kids are the victims. I'm not blaming them.

    I blame the Palestinian "Politicians".

    What would you do if you were a political leader in Gaza. They have been thoroughly ravaged of all assets over the years. The only resistance they offer is futile but should they simply give up and accept their fate. Futile protests are all they have left in their armory


  • #41
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    See the post below yours.

    The difference is that the Palestinian "Politicians" agitate for violence because they know they will get a violent response from Israel.

    More money will then be sent in from fools in the West which goes into the Palestinian "Politicians" pockets.

    And the cycle continues....

    Yeah. Where's your evidence of this?


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  • #42
    dublincelt
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭dublincelt


    Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »
    They are not illegal :D

    Really???

    https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/sc12657.doc.htm


  • #43
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Israel doing what it always does... slaughtering Palestinians. The actions of a terrorist state


  • #44
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,279 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »
    They are not illegal :D

    I don't think you understand the concept


  • #45
    Ulysses Gaze
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Yeah. Where's your evidence of this?

    Arafat siphoned off billions in aid money. You'd be extremely naive to think that that is not continuing to happen.

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,782141,00.html


  • #46
    Auguste Comte
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    See the post below yours.

    The difference is that the Palestinian "Politicians" agitate for violence because they know they will get a violent response from Israel.

    More money will then be sent in from fools in the West which goes into the Palestinian "Politicians" pockets.

    And the cycle continues....

    It is israelies pulling the trigger. They are the only people who are responsible for the deaths of those men women and children. What threat do journalists pose to the idf or israel apart from showing the world the war crimes they are committing, what threat is a double amputee in a wheelchair to the israelies? The kids? Etc etc.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Arafat siphoned off billions in aid money. You'd be extremely naive to think that that is not continuing to happen.

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,782141,00.html

    You're hardly using that as an excuse for today's events?


  • #48
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,198 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    Arafat siphoned off billions in aid money. You'd be extremely naive to think that that is not continuing to happen.

    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,782141,00.html

    Arafat is dead.
    Where's your evidence of the present leadership stealing money?


  • #49
    dublincelt
    Registered Users Posts: 409 ✭✭dublincelt


    Can’t believe this Irish government can expel a Russian diplomat for a “suspected” nerve agent attack. Yet do nothing whilst the terrorist state of Israel can kill indiscriminately and with impunity. Shame on our government..


  • #50
    cursai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    When good men fail to act, ev.....Westworld was a mess tonight.


  • #51
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    guestwifi wrote: »
    If Israel wanted the Palestinians gone it would be over in mere hours. Yet Gaza and the West Bank still stand.

    If Israel wiped out the Palestinians in mere hours, they wouldn't last a week. That's why they haven't done it already.

    Instead they are doing illegal land grabs


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