Not without me horses boss. Free housing rejected

Pkiernan · 08-10-2018 6:13am #1

This banana republic of hours is screwed.

How dare the government take so much of my income and waste it on sacks of human garbage like these.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/families-wont-move-into-17m-homes-without-stables-and-land-37394115.html

Tzardine · 08-10-2018 6:19am

Fnuck your free council house, I've a horse outside.

AlekSmart · 08-10-2018 6:24am

Tzardine wrote: »

Fnuck your free council house, I've a horse outside.

It's not all bad though.

This could well be the answer to the "other" issue (now locked) under discussion here.

These houses look rather ideal for the lady who is so vocal about Homelessness at the moment,and it would be rather a good piece of PR were the "authorities" to make that offer to her.

Either that,or the local Garda Station better check it's availability of stables ?

demanufactured · 08-10-2018 6:35am

yosser hughes · 08-10-2018 6:49am

It's 6:49 am and already people have left for work. Paying their taxes for this.
You all need to let your local political reps. know what you think of this.
Who to vote for though? We need a more economically right of centre party to vote for.

Working class heroes · 08-10-2018 6:55am

Yawn.

Bob Harris · 08-10-2018 7:00am

1.7M + VAT - 2 million for 5 houses, 400k a house. Not too shabby.

Bonzo Delaney · 08-10-2018 7:02am

Can't wait to hear that gobsh1et John Connors or those gobsh1tes pavee points comments on this

colm_mcm · 08-10-2018 7:05am

Seems like a huge oversight by the council. If they were going to the trouble of spending the equivalent of €350,000 per house (inc vat) times 6 then surely it would have crossed their minds that they’d want to bring their horses.

That’s aside from any argument on value for money, bending over backwards, homeless figures, priorities etc etc.

sexmag · 08-10-2018 7:22am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Seems like a huge oversight by the council. If they were going to the trouble of spending the equivalent of €350,000 per house (inc vat) times 6 then surely it would have crossed their minds that they’d want to bring their horses.

That’s aside from any argument on value for money, bending over backwards, homeless figures, priorities etc etc.

If these people wanted a house so bad then sacrifices have to be made.

Many people want pets but can't due to their location and homes situation, this us no different.

They can't have their cake and eat it too

Fr_Dougal · 08-10-2018 7:28am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Seems like a huge oversight by the council. If they were going to the trouble of spending the equivalent of €350,000 per house (inc vat) times 6 then surely it would have crossed their minds that they’d want to bring their horses.

That’s aside from any argument on value for money, bending over backwards, homeless figures, priorities etc etc.

€1,718,670, plus VAT.

Looks like de guberment are robbing them again.

Maybe some Penny’s vouchers will sort them out.

Signore Fancy Pants · 08-10-2018 7:30am

"Tipperary County Council has said it is in
discussions to try and resolve the problem".

Um, give them to someone else. These fcukers had their chance and they rejected it.

€1.7 Million......fcuk me.

_Brian · 08-10-2018 7:34am

This is a very important case. If the council relent and provide stables then this will set a standard going forward. It will mean that every single traveller accommodation forever will need to have land and stables.

Then there is the question of non travellers are being discriminated against if they don’t get land and stables too.

Fr_Dougal · 08-10-2018 7:36am

There’s no Homeless Crisis, it’s an Entitlement Crisis.

ParkRunner · 08-10-2018 7:39am

In reality, I see this ending with a deal for a communal piece of land for the horses. No one would move into the houses if the camp is going to remain across the road so the houses are pretty worthless unless occupied by these families.

mikemac2 · 08-10-2018 7:48am

Tipp Council spare no expense on traveller funding

A similar small development was built in Roscrea over a decade ago and the houses were trashed and the residents upped and left. Why? Probably some fued. I know the representatives blame councils for putting the wrong families together.

They spent €465,000 on a house in Ballina and while Tipp is most desirable county in Ireland :cool: that was still a ridiculous price, even at Celtic Tiger levels. Maybe that’s a normal price in Dublin not Tipp. Protests were held regarding the traveller family getting the house. In the end it “mysteriously” burned down so nobody moved him.......

When the N52 bypass was due to open caravans were put onto the verges around Nenagh and delayed the opening. This went on several weeks until the legal eagles got them moved. This was before legislation was changed. Back then you needed 10k for a high court injunction as it was a civil matter not a criminal one. Parking in hotel car parks and demanding money to leave was the same tactic. They did it to the Abbey Court in Nenagh who responded by laying stone barriers around them to block them in haha

Atoms for Peace · 08-10-2018 7:53am

If they want their culture they should feck off and pay for it themselves.
The politician establishment who panter to such nonsense need a kick up the hole, no wonder populism is on the rise across Europe.

mad muffin · 08-10-2018 7:56am

I thought their culture was nomadic? Why have they lived in the same place for 50 years? Why do they even want to move into to a dwelling, that is a permanent structure?

Doctors room ghost · 08-10-2018 8:02am

Self entitled good for nothing leeches.
If they can’t obtain the land and facilities by their own means to care for their “beloved” horses the ispca should step in and confiscate the horses on a welfare issue and the council should give the houses to genuine people in need who would appreciate them and then tell the ones who refused the property to rev up and fcuk off with themselves.
Jokeshop of a country.a free house for the bhooys and a brand new van parked outside with no visible income and no questions asked.
And the rest of us busting a gut working just to barely get by

AnneFrank · 08-10-2018 8:03am

Pkiernan wrote: »

This banana republic of hours is screwed.

How dare the government take so much of my income and waste it on sacks of human garbage like these.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/families-wont-move-into-17m-homes-without-stables-and-land-37394115.html

Sacks of human garbage, how delightful. Funny how discrimination is allowed on this site, as long as it's directed at travellers.

colm_mcm · 08-10-2018 8:08am

sexmag wrote: »

If these people wanted a house so bad then sacrifices have to be made.

Many people want pets but can't due to their location and homes situation, this us no different.

They can't have their cake and eat it too

I agree. A free house is a free house. But they built these specifically for these people in the first place and apparently were including accommodation for their horses to start with. Now whether they’re entitled to this or not is another matter

Gatling · 08-10-2018 8:09am

Funny how they can dictate they want stables and half and acre of land each ,

Give the homes to families and evict this extended families from the lands surrounding them ,

Culture my ass

Sheep breeder · 08-10-2018 8:11am

Are they registered horse owners and are the horses microchipped as per the law of the land which the councils are to inforce. The ordinary joe tax paying public is registered for love of their horses. One law for one group and not for the other.

Roger Hassenforder · 08-10-2018 8:12am

I'm of a seafaring maritime culture, my grandfather was a harbourmaster.
I demand culturally appropriate accomodation with pontoon and boathouse on my free, forever home, foreshore property, and one for my entire extended family.

98q76e12hrflnk · 08-10-2018 8:14am

AnneFrank wrote:

Sacks of human garbage, how delightful. Funny how discrimination is allowed on this site, as long as it's directed at travellers.

Get over yourself.

enricoh · 08-10-2018 8:18am

Sure the travellers might as we whip the copper cylinder, solar panels and lead etc out of the houses while this impasse is on.
The council will just replace the stuff anyway. If I had a business in tipp it would gall me paying council rates for this lot

Cina · 08-10-2018 8:20am

colm_mcm wrote: »

I agree. A free house is a free house. But they built these specifically for these people in the first place and apparently were including accommodation for their horses to start with. Now whether they’re entitled to this or not is another matter

If someone built me a free house worth 350k, and at the start I'd said "I want a balcony to have barbeque's on in the summer", and then when it was finished they said "well sorry, we couldn't add the balcony, but here's your free 350k house"...

I'm pretty sure I'd fecking take it anyway.

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Shenshen · 08-10-2018 8:24am

Sounds to me like they never wanted or asked for those houses in the first place.
Surely if they had asked, they would have been clear about what their requirements are?

Signore Fancy Pants · 08-10-2018 8:28am

Shenshen wrote: »

Sounds to me like they never wanted or asked for those houses in the first place.
Surely if they had asked, they would have been clear about what their requirements are?

Requirements?

You are actually blaming the Council for this?

I'm out of this thread before it gets too gobshytery.

amcalester · 08-10-2018 8:28am

Shenshen wrote: »

Sounds to me like they never wanted or asked for those houses in the first place.
Surely if they had asked, they would have been clear about what their requirements are?

That's their M.O. ask for one thing, and when that is delivered change tact and say you wanted something slightly different. Rinse and repeat.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 08-10-2018 8:29am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

There’s no Homeless Crisis, it’s an Entitlement Crisis.

Yes there is. Not everyone in the country can be on big wages, you’ll always have low earners. They need somewhere to live too. Council housing is the best way to do this, not forcing them to rent off private landlords or even vulture funds and subsidizing the rent, all you do there is increase the gap between the richer and the poorer.

Don’t tar everyone with one brush, the Travellers in this case can pay full livery for stables just like anyone else who owns a horse does.

Doctors room ghost · 08-10-2018 8:29am

Shenshen wrote: »

Sounds to me like they never wanted or asked for those houses in the first place.
Surely if they had asked, they would have been clear about what their requirements are?

If they can’t obtain a job and pay their own way and are relying on the government to house them then their “requirements” shouldn’t come into it and they should be damn glad of a roof over their head.
The only need for special requirements should be on medical grounds if a person had special needs.
Other than that the housing should be basic and cheap.

enricoh · 08-10-2018 8:30am

When the N52 bypass was due to open caravans were put onto the verges around Nenagh and delayed the opening. This went on several weeks until the legal eagles got them moved. This was before legislation was changed. Back then you needed 10k for a high court injunction as it was a civil matter not a criminal one. Parking in hotel car parks and demanding money to leave was the same tactic. They did it to the Abbey Court in Nenagh who responded by laying stone barriers around them to block them in haha

^^^
They bought a house in an estate beside me in the celtic tiger. A well spoken couple bought next door to the show house. When they moved in they had a caravan in the driveway and a donkey in the front garden. Couple of hiaces out on the street!
After a month of not selling any houses the developer paid them 40k I heard to bail out. Not bad for a months work!

smurgen · 08-10-2018 8:31am

All this while people wait on hospital trollys and women die of cervical cancer.they should be told shove their horses up their holes. At the end of the day the government is one big pot of money.you give to one area,you need to take from another.there's 1000's of other cause more worthy of funds than these clowns and their past times.time for the goverment to get priorities straight.

tringle · 08-10-2018 8:35am

Shenshen wrote: »

Sounds to me like they never wanted or asked for those houses in the first place.
Surely if they had asked, they would have been clear about what their requirements are?

I'm quite local to this and know some of the individuals. Negotiations begun maybe 8 years ago and the horses and land where always part of the deal, much more so than the size of the houses or other facilities. The council.always knew this, I can't understand why they didn't follow through, I thought that had been agreed at the beginning.

BeerWolf · 08-10-2018 8:36am

Stable them at the glue factory

08-10-2018 8:40am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

€1,718,670, plus VAT.

Looks like de guberment are robbing them again.

Maybe some Penny’s vouchers will sort them out.

Get on to Claire Byrne. I’m sure the mouthpiece of the homeless would love one of the 5 bedroom houses. Anything to get her away from Niall Boylan.

Nermal · 08-10-2018 8:41am

tringle wrote: »

I'm quite local to this and know some of the individuals. Negotiations...

Can you find out what number I call to start negotiations on my house? I have a lot of quite onerous requirements.

Mrcaramelchoc · 08-10-2018 8:43am

Pavee point heh heh

jacksie66 · 08-10-2018 8:45am

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whisky_galore · 08-10-2018 8:50am

I'm from a farming background and would like a cow in my garden in town because it's my culture.

Odelay · 08-10-2018 8:53am

whisky_galore wrote: »

I'm from a farming background and would like a cow in my garden in town because it's my culture.

Why don't you demand and entire farm? It should be on your list of requirements.

dhaughton99 · 08-10-2018 8:56am

Bob Harris wrote: »

1.7M + VAT - 2 million for 5 houses, 400k a house. Not too shabby.

SDCC recently built 18 houses across from mine in West Dublin for €4m. These houses must be palaces.

fred funk }{ · 08-10-2018 8:56am

Not only do they want stables with their free gaffs but "at least half an acre of land at the back". How did it get to the stage where this sh1t is listened to? They should be told to fcuk off.

Eggs For Dinner · 08-10-2018 9:00am

AnneFrank wrote: »

Sacks of human garbage, how delightful. Funny how discrimination is allowed on this site, as long as it's directed at travellers.

The real discrimination is that these people are given these advantages over people who actually contribute to society.

Edgware · 08-10-2018 9:09am

tringle wrote: »

I'm quite local to this and know some of the individuals. Negotiations begun maybe 8 years ago and the horses and land where always part of the deal, much more so than the size of the houses or other facilities. The council.always knew this, I can't understand why they didn't follow through, I thought that had been agreed at the beginning.

Maybe it's because money doesn't grow on fûcking trees and councils are using people's taxes

Jim Bob Scratcher · 08-10-2018 9:10am

Absolutely ridiculous!

Edgware · 08-10-2018 9:11am

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Not only do they want stables with their free gaffs but "at least half an acre of land at the back". How did it get to the stage where this sh1t is listened to? They should be told to fcuk off.

Exactly. There are plenty people who will take the house and will be well able to deal with the ***** if they try anything

hawkelady · 08-10-2018 9:11am

I really hope Claire Byrne is made aware of this and it’s brought up tonight on her show. It’s about time the country is made aware that these folk are just yobs !! Thieving yobs at that

tigerboon · 08-10-2018 9:13am

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Bob Harris wrote: »

1.7M + VAT - 2 million for 5 houses, 400k a house. Not too shabby.

SDCC recently built 18 houses across from mine in West Dublin for €4m. These houses must be palaces.

I think questions need to be asked regarding the cost of building public housing. Assuming these houses are in around 1000 sq. ft.that's 350 euro per sq.ft plus VAT. Who do restrictions on planning and over the top regulations suit? We can all jump up and down about entitlement culture and all that (and rightfully so) but we also need to look at the cost of providing social housing being multiples of what it should be and who is responsible for signing of on these costs. It's taxpayers who are paying after all. Excluding site cost, we should be able to provide a decent standard of house for about 80 euro per sq.ft.

Uncharted · 08-10-2018 9:16am

"Travellers" as they like to be called, being unreasonable and awkward.
Who would have expected that??

Wow! I'm amazed.

Not without me horses boss. Free housing rejected

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