Masks

Seanergy wrote: »

Anyone seen the new COVID-19 SEX information campaign from the HSE and the Irish Pharmacy Union (IPU) yet?

Just wondering if it mentions masks? or is it just all handwashiing.



https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/have-sex-online-to-limit-spread-of-virus-advises-hse-39417584.html?__twitter_impression=true

I can imagine few masks to be used in this particular campaign I get their point, but the way they deal with it is awesome. A bit of comedy show. There's basically no clear message on anything coming from the top. Advice, recommendation etc. No enforcement means mess as I can see, everyone does whatever they wish imo.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

But you hands and other parts of your body and clothing do. Using your logic there should be no need for full PPE in any circumstance. If medical experts agree that a PPE suit reduces transmission then you should be advocating for wearing PPE suits.

I have dealt with your ludicrous assertion about full suits previously.

Whet are you talking scour hands and body. It’s your partner in your house. No mask is ever required for that. I don’t get you.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

But you hands and other parts of your body and clothing do. Using your logic there should be no need for full PPE in any circumstance. If medical experts agree that a PPE suit reduces transmission then you should be advocating for wearing PPE suits.

I'm sorry Kendrick Jolly Ibex, you complaining about me sending you silly GIFs, but ffs man look at what you keep posting.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Your getting confused between co-relation and causation. Look at other countries where masks a are mandatory and you’ll see a rise in cases.

Next.

Once again you are 100% wrong and attempting to deflect away from home truths. You have accused me of getting confused between co-relation and causation with regard to this graph so please explain yourself.

Here is the graph in question again. Discuss.



ps: I have clearly stated all along I do not and will not blame HCW's for bringing covid-19 into LTRC settings. Covid-19 was brought into LTRC settings because of poor HSE mask policy.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote:

I don’t think it has been rebuffed.There is no correlation between masks and a reduction in the number of cases. Masks can reduce transmission but the chances of contracting this virus are extremely low and the chances of death are even lower. This is not the killer death virus we thought it could be. The vast majority of the population do not have the virus, less than 1%. So if nobody has the virus and if the point of wearing a mask is to prevent you from giving it to someone else, there is no point in wearing the mask if you don’t have the virus which 99% of the population do not have. We know that 9/10 new “casesâ€, since we don’t talk about deaths anymore, are non communal i.e. from people in the same home where people don’t wear masks anyway.

Link, studies, experts please.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Some people have died mostly old and with underlying issues but the vast majority have revived and will recover. If people want to live in fear and assume the worst that they have the virus then go ahead and wear a mask if if makes you feel better but make no mistake that it is just a placebo effect because in most cases it’s not required and you are still exposed to the virus unless you lace up in a full suit. The change in reporting from deaths to cases is just scare mongering - no mention of recovery rates or admissions. People can live in fear or maybe some want to drag out going back to work for a few weeks but please don’t enforce these hang ups on the rest of society who question the reality around them.

"Some people died."
That's how you dismiss the deaths of over a thousands people in this country?
That's the reality of the situation.
People dead.
People not able to attend funerals of those they care about.

You don't understand the concept of excess mortality.
You don't seem to place any value on the lives of people in our society vulnerable to this virus.
You don't understand the placebo effect.
You don't understand that masks are about protecting others.
You don't understand the reporting, as it has always listed cases and deaths.
Give me any date and I wil give you the reported case count in Ireland for that day.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Look at countries with mandatory masks where there is an increase in cases.

And see what exactly?

Look at Japan.
Their population is 125 million and they have less coronavirus deaths than we do with a population of 5 million.
What did they do we didn't?

They treated this as a virus with airborne transmission and wore masks accordingly.

xhomelezz wrote: »

I'm out of pictures..

.....but not a sense of humour - you just have to laugh at it.

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

So can you say categorically that there is a correlation btw wearing masks and a reduction in cases?

I am not the one saying it.
The CDC are.
That's why they updated their advice on wearing masks in enclosed public places.

odyssey06 wrote: »

"Some people died."
That's how you dismiss the deaths of over a thousands people in this country?
That's the reality of the situation.
People dead.
People not able to attend funerals of those they care about.

You don't understand the concept of excess mortality.
You don't seem to place any value on the lives of people in our society vulnerable to this virus.
You don't understand the placebo effect.
You don't understand that masks are about protecting others.
You don't understand the reporting, as it has always listed cases and deaths.
Give me any date and I wil give you the reported case count in Ireland for that day.

The problem with your argument and many others here is that you're dealing in absolutes. It's a common problem in Internet debate these days but it's spilling increasingly into the real world.

In this case, with regards masks the attitude from people like yourself is "mask up or you will be the cause of deaths of others or yourself"

Neither is in fact the case. Yes some people WILL and have died (which is unfortunate but not unexpected), but the vast majority will not - which I keep having to point out is a GOOD THING because it seems that posters like yourself genuinely can't see the situation with a larger sense of perspective anymore.

Maybe it's because you're (all) so invested in your online position, maybe it's because you've been overwhelmed with so much information and negativity on this topic in the media that it's understandably hard to see anything else, but the the increasing "cases" count is a perfect illustration.. yes cases are going up, but that tells us nothing of the outcomes or recovery in the majority of those cases. I saw a news report a few weeks ago on RTE of an elderly woman leaving hospital following her recovery and it was genuinely great to see - her nurses and others were lined up clapping as she left. Why do we not see more of this?

A better, more realistic message here would be that there is a virus in the wild that may have serious - or regrettably fatal - consequences to a small percentage of the population. However, overall most people will not contract it, or if they do the effects will be temporary and not severe.
Everyone should therefore remain vigilant and take steps to protect themselves in-line with advice and their own risk assessment of vulnerability (with support from their GP if needed), and restrict their movements if they experience any symptoms until assessed.

If that was the approach taken, I think we'd find a lot less hysteria from both "sides" (because that's what this complex and evolving situation has been reduced to - you're with us or against us), less fear in the community, and a better position all round.

Again, people ARE going to die from this. It's unavoidable and regrettable most definitely, but it's also not realistic or practical to impose blanket disproportionate restrictions on the whole population to try to protect a small percentage of the most vulnerable (who would be better served by - as above - taking their own precautions anyway).

The reason that people are not following the advice is not because their "idiots" or "conspiracy theorists" or whatever other childish slurs have been levelled at them by some on this very thread alone. After all, most people do not WANT to become seriously ill or die, or see loved ones suffer. But they are looking at the situation from the perspective of their own health, the status in their community, their own needs to live their lives again in some sense of normality - and they are then doing what they feel appropriate.... and despite this, shops haven't become epicentres of virus breakouts, numbers requiring serious ICU care remain thankfully very low, and the overall death count is still well under 2000 in this country - which in the context of a potentially fatal pandemic is actually very low too.

As I said before, there is a real need for some to take a step back, look around at what's actually happening around them (rather than what they're reading online) and apply some perspective to this situation.

Complete side note, but is it just me or is Boards fooked yet again this weekend? Threads jumping back pages, errors etc? (on Touch and Desktop)

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I wasn't just replying to you, but to others like you with the attitude you have displayed again

Fear driven, whatabout-what's happening-on-the-other-side-of-the-planet, and blind "mask up else" rhetoric.

We don't need masks. ICU numbers are extremely low. deaths are nil the last few days (as I type this today's numbers haven't been released yet but that again is part of the issue - daily dose of negativity.. how about "today x recovered" instead), and overall new cases are low in the context of much increased testing

Again, perspective

The issue is not the absolute numbers it is the doubling in the last week.
This is entirely the wrong direction. Given the time lag with Covid you cannot afford to be relaxed about going in the wrong direction.