Masks

Seanergy

Yes: valved

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Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

So can you say categorically that there is a correlation btw wearing masks and a reduction in cases?

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Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

If people want to live in fear and assume the worst that they have the virus then go ahead and wear a mask if if makes you feel better but make no mistake that it is just a placebo effect because in most cases it’s not required and you are still exposed to the virus unless you lace up in a full suit.

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Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

or because people are wearing face masks and not spreading the flu?

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Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

I don’t think it has been rebuffed. There is no correlation between masks and a reduction in the number of cases.

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Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Why are you asking me to prove a negative. You need to show the justification for face masks if you want people to use them.

There is no co-relation btw wearing face masks and a reduction in the number of cases which is the whole argument behind wearing face masks.

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Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

A reduction in the number of cases or reduces transmission?

1. You were not talking to me but yes I can.

2. No need to live in fear to wear a mask, it's not a prerequisite as your alluding to, your mistaken, your also incorrect stating that it's just a placebo.

3. The flu spreads the same way as covid-19, in droplets so if your of the opinion that face masks stop the flu spreading what's your beef with face masks stopping covid-19 spreading?

4. Yes there is, still waiting for you to reply to my post #7022

5. I already have and I am waiting for you to reply to my post #7022

6. Masks do both, reduce the number of cases and also reduce the volume of covid-19 transmitted.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I've seen the smartest kid in a shop today. About 5 years old, going around the shop with their parents wearing a face mask. When they got out to their car, their safe place, the kid took off their mask.

5 years old and can wear a mask inside a shop and didn't make a fuss and knows they can take it off outside the shop.

Hold my bucket while I vomit. Look at the virtue signalling out of you and 5 likes to show for it. I bet you feel good about yourself showing the internet how compliant you are. What are we turning into indoctrinating kids with this stuff.

John O.Groats

Yes: surgical

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Hold my bucket while I vomit. Look at the virtue signalling out of you and 5 likes to show for it. I bet you feel good about yourself showing the internet how compliant you are. What are we turning into indoctrinating kids with this stuff.

Not "indoctrinating" them but turning them into responsible citizens hopefully though you seem to have an issue with that for some reason.

railer201

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Hold my bucket while I vomit. Look at the virtue signalling out of you and 5 likes to show for it. I bet you feel good about yourself showing the internet how compliant you are. What are we turning into indoctrinating kids with this stuff.

'Sorry kids no masks for you this Halloween' :pac:

robinph

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Hold my bucket while I vomit. Look at the virtue signalling out of you and 5 likes to show for it. I bet you feel good about yourself showing the internet how compliant you are. What are we turning into indoctrinating kids with this stuff.

What exactly is the kid being indoctrinated with?

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

robinph wrote: »

What exactly is the kid being indoctrinated with?

Same way I was indoctrinated to wash my hands after I went for a piss in kindergarten.

_Kaiser_

John O.Groats wrote: »

Not "indoctrinating" them but turning them into responsible citizens hopefully though you seem to have an issue with that for some reason.

He's not the only one. It's astonishing how many seem to have become servile and compliant when it comes to whatever random pronouncements emerge from Government Buildings/RTE studios in recent weeks... although apparently the pubs reopening.. or not.. seems to cause universal consternation.

I too would share serious concerns about instilling a culture of fear in young children over what is something that if anything is of extremely minimal risk to them

Take my own situation. My little lad's mother has bought wholesale into the fear over CV-19 to the point that she continues to self-isolate for the most part and has convinced herself that it would be a death sentence if she or her parents contracted it.

I was down that way over the weekend and she insisted upon 2m distancing and going around wiping every surface repeatedly even though I'm not sick, haven't been sick, and am statistically MORE likely to catch it from them than I am at home.

That's bad enough. It's no way to live, but she has him very aware of it all and keeping his distance and concerned too. He's 8. It's ridiculous behaviour IMO

There's something wrong when a father can't hug his son because of the fear and doom that's being peddled over this issue, and for what? A virus that has predominantly hit those already seriously or terminally ill and even then in very low numbers overall.

I fully expect that if/when schools reopen, that'll be a mess too - although that one I don't disagree on as the department is leaving it to the schools, and the schools are waiting for the department so I expect the result will be a situation where it varies from school to school (fun if you have kids in different ones I imagine!) and every sniffle has to be treated as a potential outbreak (bearing in mind every class is riddled with colds for the first few weeks back as they pass it to each other).

I think that's when all these measures will come to a head and something will have to give.

Jim_Hodge

Yes: homemade

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Hold my bucket while I vomit. Look at the virtue signalling out of you and 5 likes to show for it. I bet you feel good about yourself showing the internet how compliant you are. What are we turning into indoctrinating kids with this stuff.

While I don't think a child that young should be wearing a mask I think your attitude to teaching a child the basics in disease prevention is not something to scoff at.
We teach our children all kinds of life skills and, possibly, mask wearing in appropriate situations may well be up there with wearing a seat belt, washing hands after using the toilet, crossing the road safely etc.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I've seen the smartest kid in a shop today. About 5 years old, going around the shop with their parents wearing a face mask. When they got out to their car, their safe place, the kid took off their mask.

5 years old and can wear a mask inside a shop and didn't make a fuss and knows they can take it off outside the shop.

Hold my bucket while I vomit. Look at the virtue signalling out of you and 5 likes to show for it. I bet you feel good about yourself showing the internet how compliant you are. What are we turning into indoctrinating kids with this stuff.

v638sg7k1a92bx

In that case they should be wearing the mask at home which is where they are most likely to contract the virus. 9/10 new cases are not communal so in the scenario described, the kid should have put his mask on in the car and taken it off in the shop.

weldoninhio

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

What exactly is the kid being indoctrinated with?

Fear. U-13s shouldn’t be wearing masks according to the HSE (Face coverings are not recommended for children under the age of 13.) So should we be following their advice about masks or not?

v638sg7k1a92bx

Overheal wrote: »

Same way I was indoctrinated to wash my hands after I went for a piss in kindergarten.

Kindergarten? Wow we really have been Americanised in Ireland. Not only do wish we were part of America so we could blame Trump and get more outraged about this stuff than we already are, bad enough everyone spouting links from the American CDC when we have a European CDC but now Junior infants is called kindergarten!!!

robinph

No: I don't care enough

weldoninhio wrote: »

Fear. U-13s shouldn’t be wearing masks according to the HSE (Face coverings are not recommended for children under the age of 13.) So should we be following their advice about masks or not?

Some people are overdoing things on the fear admittedly. But have a perfectly well adjusted 5 year old in my house, knows about coronavirus, knows about keeping distance when queueing for things, knows about sanitising hands on arriving and leaving school and now summer school, will sometimes ask to put a mask on when we are out and about wearing ours just to join in.

But still not living in fear of the virus, just knows that it's out there, knows that we have to wash our hands a lot more than before and blames Boris Johnson whenever possible for it all being a bit rubbish right now. And we didn't even teach them that bit, they figured it out themselves.

The biggest fear is if Disney plus crashes on the tablet or not, not concerned about coronovirus at all.

Polar101

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Kindergarten? Wow we really have been Americanised in Ireland. Not only do wish we were part of America so we could blame Trump and get more outraged about this stuff than we already are, bad enough everyone spouting links from the American CDC when we have a European CDC but now Junior infants is called kindergarten!!!

Yes, it's a completely American word and definitely in the local language as well.

Do you have any logical arguments on why it is a bad idea to wear a mask in supermarkets or in close proximity to people you don't know? Or is this just a "masks cause communism" -kind of a campaign?

one armed dwarf

No: other

Doesn't overheal actually live in America tho, lol

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Kindergarten? Wow we really have been Americanised in Ireland. Not only do wish we were part of America so we could blame Trump and get more outraged about this stuff than we already are, bad enough everyone spouting links from the American CDC when we have a European CDC but now Junior infants is called kindergarten!!!

I'm American, it's not a secret. I am tickled that you went on a rant about this in such a manner rather than pause to think "hang on, maybe Overheal did actually attend a Kindergarten" - which, I did. And a Secondary School in Clare. What a world we live in, so small eh.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Polar101 wrote: »

Yes, it's a completely American word and definitely in the local language as well.

Do you have any logical arguments on why it is a bad idea to wear a mask in supermarkets or in close proximity to people you don't know? Or is this just a "masks cause communism" -kind of a campaign?

Because masks are ineffective and unnecessary and there is no co-relation btw wearing masks and a reduction in cases not to mention that you are statistically highly unlikely to catch the virus and in the off chance you do it will be a 9/10 chance that you didn't catch it communally and even after all that you have even less chance of dying from the virus. Knowing all this you can wear a mask if it makes you feel better but that’s all it will do.

v638sg7k1a92bx

Secondary school in Clare? I don’t buy, I think you’re hamming it up for attention from the locals. Why would you use kindergarten when you know it’s junior infants in Ireland. Rule #1 Understand your audience.

jam_mac_jam

Yes: homemade

What is the big objection to wearing a mask? I am not being smart, I honestly do not understand why it is a thing.

You forget you are wearing it after a few minutes, it's not painful, why is this such a big deal?

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Because masks are ineffective

Proof?

and unnecessary

Proof?

and there is no co-relation btw wearing masks and a reduction in cases not to mention that you are statistically highly unlikely to catch the virus and in the off chance you do it will be a 9/10 chance that you didn't catch it communally and even after all that you have even less chance of dying from the virus. Knowing all this you can wear a mask if it makes you feel better but that’s all it will do.

You clearly already know correlation is not causation. You also know the virus has a ~2 week incubation period.

Now these cases who didn't allegedly catch it communally, where did it come from.

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Secondary school in Clare? I don’t buy, I think you’re hamming it up for attention from the locals. Why would you use kindergarten when you know it’s junior infants in Ireland. Rule #1 Understand your audience.

:rolleyes:

Why would I say I learned about washing my hands after a piss, in Junior Infants, when I never attended an Irish Junior Infants school? There was a lesson plan about it in Kindergarten, and I attended Kindergarten, in Arlington WA. And I attended Secondary in Ennis, Ireland. I live in Clemson SC. Do you need a blood sample?

v638sg7k1a92bx

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

What is the big objection to wearing a mask? I am not being smart, I honestly do not understand why it is a thing.

You forget you are wearing it after a few minutes, it's not painful, why is this such a big deal?

Sure why not wear a mask or better yet - download an app on your phone. Next we’ll have people carry a sign and then a yellow ribbon if you’d had the virus and a red one if you don’t and let’s make all these changes in the work place so people don’t get infected and close all these businesses and then every time you want to get something done and it’s delayed or broken or wrong, the reason for that delay will be “Covid-19” and nobody will be allowed question that excuse because “it’s about saving lives” even though the chances of getting and dying from the virus are close to zero but let’s not let that get in the way because “people have died” which no reasonable person could ever argue against so we all just have to accept what we’re told and be good little citizens even though we can see the reality is something different.

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Some people won't accept common sense until there's a convincing enough number of dead Irish. 100s? 1000s?

Charles Babbage

No: I don't care enough

robinph wrote: »

What exactly is the kid being indoctrinated with?

Hygiene, God forbid they should learn that.

Seanergy

Yes: valved

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I too would share serious concerns about instilling a culture of fear in young children over what is something that if anything is of extremely minimal risk to them

Take my own situation. My little lad's mother has bought wholesale into the fear over CV-19 to the point that she continues to self-isolate for the most part and has convinced herself that it would be a death sentence if she or her parents contracted it.

I was down that way over the weekend and she insisted upon 2m distancing and going around wiping every surface repeatedly even though I'm not sick, haven't been sick, and am statistically MORE likely to catch it from them than I am at home.

That's bad enough. It's no way to live, but she has him very aware of it all and keeping his distance and concerned too. He's 8. It's ridiculous behaviour IMO

There's something wrong when a father can't hug his son because of the fear and doom that's being peddled over this issue, and for what? A virus that has predominantly hit those already seriously or terminally ill and even then in very low numbers overall.

I fully expect that if/when schools reopen, that'll be a mess too - although that one I don't disagree on as the department is leaving it to the schools, and the schools are waiting for the department so I expect the result will be a situation where it varies from school to school (fun if you have kids in different ones I imagine!) and every sniffle has to be treated as a potential outbreak (bearing in mind every class is riddled with colds for the first few weeks back as they pass it to each other).

I think that's when all these measures will come to a head and something will have to give.

Maybe she is just using COVID-19 as the excuse she needs to create more division between you and her and you and her son and I mean that from deep down, not being a dick, alrite.

Everything and I mean everything in life is brainwashing, alot of people don't get this. Ya can't be blaming GOV or RTE cause your little lads mother doesn't sing the tune you want her to. Blaming the fear and doom is just making easy excuses, I know, Iv'e been there and I refuse to go back.

You don't go into a nest during covid-19 if the bird is strung up tight, she's seeing you as a threat. Next time you arrange a meeting with her, tell her you are uncomfortable with being inside her place and that hanging outside would make you feel safer. reverso. maybe something goes in, maybe it doesn't, if you benifit you did it.

Yes schools are going to be a mess, but they might not be as riddled as usual with flu's due to all the distancing and hand washing that has been taking place. Schools need warm water in the taps to aid efficent hand washing and they also need CO2 monitors to inform them of poor air quality build ups, if there is next to no CO2 there is next to no next to no covid-19.

If GOV really wanted to distill fear they would not be covering up airborne transmission. ( see post #751 )

Want to be be a hero for your kid and yourself, help the shcool out, source a plumber gets some hot water in the tap, whatever

v638sg7k1a92bx

Overheal wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Why would I say I learned about washing my hands after a piss, in Junior Infants, when I never attended an Irish Junior Infants school? There was a lesson plan about it in Kindergarten, and I attended Kindergarten, in Arlington WA. And I attended Secondary in Ennis, Ireland. I live in Clemson SC. Do you need a blood sample?

Wherever you grew up, is not the Bronx. Try and have a bit of decorum in your posts.

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Wherever you grew up, is not the Bronx. Try and have a bit of decorum in your posts.

Are you a mod?

Risteard81

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Sure why not wear a mask or better yet - download an app on your phone. Next we’ll have people carry a sign and then a yellow ribbon if you’d had the virus and a red one if you don’t and let’s make all these changes in the work place so people don’t get infected and close all these businesses and then every time you want to get something done and it’s delayed or broken or wrong, the reason for that delay will be “Covid-19” and nobody will be allowed question that excuse because “it’s about saving lives” even though the chances of getting and dying from the virus are close to zero but let’s not let that get in the way because “people have died” which no reasonable person could ever argue against so we all just have to accept what we’re told and be good little citizens even though we can see the reality is something different.

Hear, hear!

Seanergy

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Sure why not wear a mask or better yet - download an app on your phone. Next we’ll have people carry a sign and then a yellow ribbon if you’d had the virus and a red one if you don’t and let’s make all these changes in the work place so people don’t get infected and close all these businesses and then every time you want to get something done and it’s delayed or broken or wrong, the reason for that delay will be “Covid-19” and nobody will be allowed question that excuse because “it’s about saving lives” even though the chances of getting and dying from the virus are close to zero but let’s not let that get in the way because “people have died” which no reasonable person could ever argue against so we all just have to accept what we’re told and be good little citizens even though we can see the reality is something different.

You are so wrong 100% of the time. Everything so far that has been done has been about protecting an extremly poor health system, not saving lives. If the health system gets stressed out then not only will we see alot of fatalities from covid-19 all other elective surgery will be postponed.

Deleted User wrote: »

Vietnam yesterday.

That is what a society with what must have been 90%-100% mask usage two and a half months ago looks like now. They're really not that scary. Wear them for a while to help and then stop wearing them. I'll never understand the issue people have with them.

John O.Groats

Yes: surgical

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

What is the big objection to wearing a mask? I am not being smart, I honestly do not understand why it is a thing.

You forget you are wearing it after a few minutes, it's not painful, why is this such a big deal?

It really isn`t except for the drama queens who try to make a big deal out of it for their own bizarre reasons.