Masks

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Allinall wrote: »

Only on boards, I’d say.

Not seeing any evidence of it anywhere else.

I was verbally abused whilst at WORK for not wearing a mask. The government guidelines clearly state that people shouldn't be judged or criticized for not wearing one.

Do not criticise or judge people who are not able to wear a face covering.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

ixoy

limnam wrote: »

The problem is, or at least what I'm seeing is people are not getting used to it. They're ignoring it the more we loosen the restrictions. It takes a very small number of cases to grow very quickly, this will cause them to re-close anyway.

So close them down because they might close anyway? There's a flaw there.

What a better approach might be is to make the message about masks more strongly - which I don't think is really what's happening. Be a lot more blunt:

"Wear a mask to stop the spread or else we'll probably have to shut places down again. Do you want that?"

I was in Lidl earlier, and compliance was middling - and nothing on the one selfish moron who was coughing repeatedly. Penneys was better. But rather than shut the places down on these people, make them understand the potential consequences of not getting the numbers down.

limnam

ixoy wrote: »

So close them down because they might close anyway? There's a flaw there.

No, you close them for the reasons they were closed in the first place...


If it's not essential, there's no reason for those workers to be put at risk or the people who want to use them. For example, nail salons...

ixoy wrote: »

What a better approach might be is to make the message about masks more strongly - which I don't think is really what's happening. Be a lot more blunt:

I'd rather they focused on what has been proving to be most effective. Social distancing by allowing non essential places to open you're sending a message that it seems a lot of people can't seem to grasp. As I mentioned the majority are very poor at social awareness and personal risk assessment.


This is going to cause more issues than any mask

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Graham wrote: »

Come back when we have a deadly global flu pandemic and we'll review the details.

This isn't a discussion about the flu.

The world has had several global flu pandemics already.

The flu is a virus and corona is also a virus.

Graham

GT89 wrote: »

I was verbally abused whilst at WORK for not wearing a mask. The government guidelines clearly state that people shouldn't be judged or criticized for not wearing one.

It would be much easier if the government mandated anyone that is unable to wear a mask should not be permitted to work in an environment where they come into direct contact with the public.

Graham

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The world has had several global flu pandemics already.

The flu is a virus and corona is also a virus.

Awesome point. Pandemic has pan in it, that's not relevant either. :pac:

timetogo1

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

I was verbally abused whilst at WORK for not wearing a mask. The government guidelines clearly state that people shouldn't be judged or criticized for not wearing one.



https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

What did your HR say?

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

GT89 wrote: »

I was verbally abused whilst at WORK for not wearing a mask. The government guidelines clearly state that people shouldn't be judged or criticized for not wearing one.



https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

And the reason why you didn't wear one?

Graham

xhomelezz wrote: »

And the reason why you didn't wear one?

answered previously

GT89 wrote: »

I don't really care about the vulnerable tbh and that's my perrogative. I don't have to. If you care about the vulnerable that's your great but I don't and I don't have to either.

GT89 wrote: »

So it's selfish to want to be comfortable whilst at work that's a new to me. I don't a huge problem with wearing one for 30 mins but a whole day every working day

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

Graham wrote: »

answered previously

Oh I see, missed it. Yeah that sounds like pretty good reason. Deserves all the harassing he got.

Loafing Oaf

No: I don't care enough

Graham wrote: »

answered previously

And how!:D

Polar101

ddarcy wrote: »

Depends on the mask and usage.

Here is what Finland says (btw they have dealt with this a million times better than Leo and Ireland)

“ The Government will not issue a general recommendation on the use of face masks. Masks can be used to protect other people in places and situations where it is not possible to avoid close contact. Such situations may be encountered, for example, in public transport during rush hour.

And today the Finnish Institute of Health and Welfare said they are likely to recommend mask use on public transport and in public spaces next week.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/thl_set_to_recommend_face_mask_use/11476617

Finland has had a low number of cases and deaths, but they are far behind when it comes to measures - their Covid app won't be released until September, for example. So they will be introducing mask use too, but they are just slower in doing so.

GT89

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

timetogo1 wrote: »

What did your HR say?

Nothing. As they have made it clear that masks are reccomendation but not mandatory for staff.

ixoy

limnam wrote: »

If it's not essential, there's no reason for those workers to be put at risk or the people who want to use them. For example, nail salons...

The wages and money generated by these are important too. There has to be a balance - shutting it all down is going to cause a lot of problems too. Masks, and yes social distancing, are the balance.
I mean do you really want these places closed forever? What's the actual balance you want from people?

joeguevara

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

You probably already discussed it before with Frankx, it's a new user account.

Just to be clear no matter what the subject matter or who is right or wrong, it is never acceptable for me to call any poster a moron. I did use that word but meaning if a random person who had no backup to support not wearing a mask in contrast to experts who do is a moron. Not the poster or any poster who says that. As everyone here, I wish that we had no COVID, I wish that everyone was safe, i wish that every piece of advice was clearly stated, understandable and incontrovertible. Apology over. Actually while im wishing for stuff I wish spurs win the treble (PL, UEFA and FA Cup) next year.

JP Liz V1

No: other

Aldi had 3 pack reuseable cotton masks today

timetogo1

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

Nothing. As they have made it clear that masks are reccomendation but not mandatory for staff.

I meant more about what they said when you told them you were abused at work. Did they not care?

bush

No: other

At a petrol station there and out of around 10 people no one was wearing a mask.

ednwireland

No: other

at a petrol station there and everybody i saw had a mask.

was in aldi on friday and everyone i saw had a mask except one couple with 3 kids running around who got in a dublin reg car.

joeguevara

GT89 wrote: »

I was verbally abused whilst at WORK for not wearing a mask. The government guidelines clearly state that people shouldn't be judged or criticized for not wearing one.



https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

Firstly no one should ever be verbally abused by anyone in or out of their place of work. When you say you were verbally abused, can I ask what the abuse was and who did it. The reason I ask is an employee receiving a reprimand from a designated COVID supervisor for not wearing a mask is not verbal abuse but being called a pr1ck in the canteen for not wearing one is.

Your quote from gov.ie is slightly misleading. You forgot to mention that the line ‘no one should be judged or criticised for not wearing one’ was part of the exemption section which outlined specific illnesses, conditions or circumstances which may not be obvious which would exempt someone from wearing a mask. However the guidelines specifically state that masks should be worn unless an exemption exists. You cannot disregard that and go straight to the ‘no one should be criticised for not wearing one’ defence.

But here is the kicker and where so many who rely on snippets from social media regarding Law to argue their rights. Disregarding the lowest common denominator of government guidelines which stipulates mask wearing in limiting circumstances, health and safety law puts obligations on an employer to provide a safe working environment. If an employer, based on reasonable evidence decides that all employees must wear a mask as a mitigating factor in the spread of COVID, and employees are made aware of that, then the fact that legislation has not specifically mandated it is irrelevant.

So, for people refusing to wear masks, if it’s a policy, then they may face being disciplined for refusing to follow Company requirements. People who are relying on Facebook lawyers to tell them their rights may be in for a rude awakening. In reality none of the recent COVID emergency legislation that was rushed through was required, including distance, closures and mask wearing. Employment legislation, Garda power legislation and health and safety legislation are so widely drafted that they were already there.

So I wouldn’t be relying on a person in HR who probably did a google search and found nothing if you are disciplined, more disciplined and eventually fired for not wearing a mask and hoping for an unfair dismissal payout. Just saying.

MadYaker

Yes: surgical

I was in Galway and Athlone over the weekend in a few shops and pubs. Most people in pubs not wearing them but thats understandable, the staff were wearing them. Id say its around 80% in most places now, thats surely high enough.

Darc19

MadYaker wrote: »

I was in Galway and Athlone over the weekend in a few shops and pubs. Most people in pubs not wearing them but thats understandable, the staff were wearing them. Id say its around 80% in most places now, thats surely high enough.

The target is 60% of people 60% of the time.

And remember that it will also prevent all the everyday viruses.

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

xhomelezz

Yes: valved

MadYaker wrote: »

I was in Galway and Athlone over the weekend in a few shops and pubs. Most people in pubs not wearing them but thats understandable, the staff were wearing them. Id say its around 80% in most places now, thats surely high enough.

Very random in my area. You have days nearly 100% wearing masks and days minority does. Observation done in the local village, avoiding supermarkets, shopping done online, but of course let the man to do groceries lol, always forget something, so locally I go. Late teens don't care, that's for sure, at least around here. Local butcher has a sign on Don't forget your mask, no entry without mask to see GP, clearly signed on the entrance, local chemist 100% masked including staff. Local Centra is hit and miss, today guy without the mask looking for paracetamol at the till while sneezing, well do you think he remembered to use his elbow..naaah, they'll have some work to clean that perplex screen. One thing I was really surprised with, there's few guys around here, I would never expect to wear a mask, local weirdoes or whatever you wanna name them ( no disrespect to them tho), met few and all of them snapped on mask when entering shop, no problem. When it comes to local traveller community, well they do their own things, apart from wearing masks And no I'm not saying they all the same, it's just what I can see around here.

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

The chan chan man wrote: »

Where’s the “i only wear it in shops because of the nasty looks i get if i dont “ option?

Ah that’s also how I feel about pants

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

GT89 wrote: »

I was verbally abused whilst at WORK for not wearing a mask. The government guidelines clearly state that people shouldn't be judged or criticized for not wearing one.



https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/aac74c-guidance-on-safe-use-of-face-coverings/

But you’re perfectly able you just choose not to for categorically stated selfish reasons ergo you are not protected in any form by that guideline.

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The flu is also a deadly virus. Should we wear a mask for that also?

In fact yes. I was admiring all the counter-contagion policy and infrastructure upgrades at my local clinic earlier in the week and they will only be a good thing. Wearing a mask when you may be infected with the flu, especially when symptomatic, I would expect will become the new norm, and well received.

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Graham wrote: »

answered previously

Exemplifying why we can’t have nice things and why stricter regulation will be up next. They have nobody to blame but themselves and their ****ty attitude when it does

Frankx

Local shop owner makes everyone take off the mask so the camera can identify them

Understandable been robbed a few times

joeguevara

Frankx wrote: »

Local shop owner makes everyone take off the mask so the camera can identify them

Understandable been robbed a few times

Did they rob a link to the story too?

Overheal

No: I don't care enough

Darc19 wrote: »

The target is 60% of people 60% of the time.

And remember that it will also prevent all the everyday viruses.

I know one retail chain that has seen its sick days drop to near zero amongst its 200+ staff due to the cleaning and protection regime it has implemented

That’s an interesting thing. I wonder will we see studies on sick leave after this.