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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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    #1712
    AndyBoBandy
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    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    How is a thick overlay achieved in stages each night without "steps" appearing?

    The top layer will remain at the same level, the added thickness will go down as opposed to up, so it will sit deeper in the ground.


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    #1713
    Charles Babbage
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    AndyBoBandy wrote: »
    The top layer will remain at the same level, the added thickness will go down as opposed to up, so it will sit deeper in the ground.

    Possibly better characterised as a rebuild rather than an overlay, but a complex project all the same.


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    #1714
    billie1b
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    Skip to 13 minutes on this video and it will give you the gist of an overnight runway resuface job



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    #1715
    lambayire
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    Apologies if this has been asked before and hopefully these questions aren't too dumb.

    So let's assume that the dual runways are both operational.

    One runway would be used for take-offs and one for landings, right?

    Would they swap the runways around every so often? If so, how often?


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    #1716
    Irish Steve
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    There are all manner of flexible options, which will be determined by things like vortex wake category, and approach speed, and also the mix of departures and arrivals. So, if for example there's a 777 arriving, they may then put something like an ATR that would otherwise be behind it on to the other runway, or in a departure situation, for similar reasons, they may put a heavy 777 on to the "other" runway if there's a number of smaller aircraft departing. It's not common these days at Dublin, but a smaller (and usually slower) aircraft, (Cessna or Piper etc) or similar will almost certainly be put on the the "other" runway, to avoid losing approach slots due to the massive speed differences, and vortex wake separation issues.

    Places like Heathrow switch runways on a regular basis, a couple of times a day, to spread the noise footprint more fairly over the surrounding areas. Dublin may not have quite the same flexibility, as the 2 runways will not the the same length, so some departures may be restricted to using 28R/10L or take a load limitation, but the numbers affected by this will be small.

    For sure there will be times when parallel approaches will happen, and at peak periods, parallel departures may well also be a part of the mix.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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    #1717
    Idbatterim
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    April passenger numbers up 10%, 15% year on year, I'd say the euros should give a bit of a boost too...

    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/2.2-million-passengers-in-april-at-dublin-airport


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    #1718
    random_guy
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    Seems to be a small bit of movement on the new runway


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    #1719
    TheFitz13
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    random_guy wrote: »
    Seems to be a small bit of movement on the new runway

    What new runway? The new runway won't be delivered until 2020?

    EDIT: Sorry didn't know that was a link 😂 My bad, apologies


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    #1720
    is this username available
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/daa-eyes-easing-of-dublin-flight-restrictions-under-new-runway-1.2651731

    New planning application and bond issue on the way. Given this it seems early to be starting RFT process so must be looking to progress far enough to not loose current planning permission.


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    #1721
    crisco10
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    is this username available wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/daa-eyes-easing-of-dublin-flight-restrictions-under-new-runway-1.2651731

    New planning application and bond issue on the way. Given this it seems early to be starting RFT process so must be looking to progress far enough to not loose current planning permission.

    It's not really an RFT though, more a pre-qualification/consulatation with interested parties before RFT.


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    #1722
    LXFlyer
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    is this username available wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/daa-eyes-easing-of-dublin-flight-restrictions-under-new-runway-1.2651731

    New planning application and bond issue on the way. Given this it seems early to be starting RFT process so must be looking to progress far enough to not loose current planning permission.
    crisco10 wrote: »
    It's not really an RFT though, more a pre-qualification/consulatation with interested parties before RFT.

    RFT????

    It's pretty normal to spell out what abbreviations are the first time when you use them - we won't all understand them!


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    #1723
    MJohnston
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    At a guess, Request for Tender?


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    #1724
    crisco10
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    MJohnston wrote: »
    At a guess, Request for Tender?

    Sorry - yes! RFT - Request for Tender.


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    #1725
    Khuitlio
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    Tender issued today for the construction of the new control tower, 86.9m tall. That puts the remote control centre to bed anyway.


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    #1726
    Tenger
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    Khuitlio wrote: »
    Tender issued today for the construction of the new control tower, 86.9m tall. That puts the remote control centre to bed anyway.

    That remote tower concept was a bit far fetched....only currently in use in an airfield with approx 2000 movements per year. And we wanted to build it for DUB. We have barely confidence in our planning and implementation ability as it is.
    (He says looking at how long its taken to build a 3 KM cycle path near his home....18 months so far, its a mess so far, the city bus's can barely get past get roundabouts, the roundabout is now a narrow chicane so its difficult to actually see the indicators of oncoming traffic staying on the roundabout, cycle path goes alternatively in front of or behind bus stops, it also stops at odd points only to restart after the next junction.)


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    #1727
    BonkeyDonker
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    Khuitlio wrote: »
    Tender issued today for the construction of the new control tower, 86.9m tall. That puts the remote control centre to bed anyway.

    Or a really tall tower to put the cameras on top.......

    The rooms at the top will be a tourist attraction :eek:


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    #1728
    medoc
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    After spending time in the truly awful terminal 2 in Lisbon I'm glad that Michael o'Leary didn't get his way and build Dublin's T2 as a low cost terminal. Hopefully if/when T3 is needed he doesn't get his way then either.


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    #1729
    Jamie2k9
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    medoc wrote: »
    After spending time in the truly awful terminal 2 in Lisbon I'm glad that Michael o'Leary didn't get his way and build Dublin's T2 as a low cost terminal. Hopefully if/when T3 is needed he doesn't get his way then either.

    I would imagine it will be an IAG terminal + long haul operations when it eventually happens.


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    #1730
    Fattes
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I would imagine it will be an IAG terminal + long haul operations when it eventually happens.

    Pretty much what T2 is so! Hopefully we will have better designed Check in Bag drop areas, the Line on Sat to bag drop at 5 am was all ready nearly 45-60 minutes, madness then you get to oversize drop off and are greeted with a sign that says "back shortly" another 20 minute wait.


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    #1731
    jamo2oo9
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    moloner4 wrote: »
    Some updates I noticed today regarding infrastructure:

    1. New lounges going in at the 200 gates just after the swing gates to the left

    2. New lounges at USCBP are almost finished. They are under gates 423, 424 and 426 and have a fantastic view. All seats installed and it looks great

    3. A lot of construction work going on between gates 333-335 and terminal 2 on the ground level (Rumour has it it's going to be a bus terminal for arrivals for aer lingus regional and will lead straight up to the immigration as it's right beside the terminal and there's also work going on the staff lift beside it, maybe not related but thought i'd mention)

    4. With the new carpark at T2 being 6 floors, work is still going on between it and the terminal (rumour has it it will be a hotel built)

    5. Still work going on a the end of the 100 gates (maybe new gates have no idea)

    These are all the gossip and facts I picked up over the last few weeks :), mod if you need sources pm me.

    Is that carpark finished with the upgrading? Last I saw it, there was maintenance crew around the building?

    And there's no way they could fit an hotel in between that carpark and T2?


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    #1732
    Khuitlio
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    Just a quick summary to elaborate on the above post. Absolutely no order to the list below

    1. Planning granted til 2019 for 11 storey hotel between T2 and carpark. Rumoured to be starting soon enough.
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    2. USCBP Lounge

    Application DAC/142/15
    Reconfiguration and fit-out of the existing evacuation area N (back of house area) within Pier 4 (Previously known as Pier E) of Terminal 2 as a DAA Executive Lounge

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    3. Transfer facility
    Application F16A/0200
    The creation of a Passenger Transfer Facility, comprising a three storey extension on the south eastern elevation of Pier 4 (i.e. airside) with 2 No. c.10.2m long internal link bridges over existing void space within the Pier. The proposed development will have a gross floor area of c. 1,772 sq.m. and will include facilities for security screening, passenger processing, circulation, plant and other services


    4. Pier 2 Segregation

    Application F16A/0046
    The construction of a passenger segregation facility at Pier 2, comprising: the construction of 3 no. two storey vertical circulation cores (i.e. lift/stair cores) c. 10m. high), linking to a new elevated passenger link bridge which will be installed at first floor level, partially wrapping around the existing octagonal pavilion at Pier 2; the addition of a lift to an existing stair core on the north elevation of Pier 2; and the provision of access ramps as required. The development will also consist of the installation of a stairs on the south elevation of Pier 2, including the enclosure of the surrounding undercroft area at ground level, as well as all other ancillary site development works above and below ground.

    5. New 100 gates

    Application F16A/0121
    The construction of a Pre-Boarding Zone for passengers at the western end of Pier 1. This will comprise the removal of an existing equipment set-down area and staircore to the west of Pier 1; the construction of a single storey extension (c. 7.8m high) with a part mezzanine level plant room, linked to the existing west elevation of Pier 1 with a c. 7.75m. long linked corridor; and localised alterations to the glazing on the west elevation of Pier 1 to facilitate linkages with the proposed Pre-Boarding Zone. The proposed development will result in additional gross floor area of c. 1,066 sq.m.

    6. Bussing gates

    Numerous Applications

    Application F16A/0081
    The provision of apron bus access facilities at Terminal 2, comprising: the construction of 2 no. two storey vertical circulation cores (i.e. lift/stair cores) (c. 10.5m and 11.0m. high, respectively) to the south of Terminal 2 (i.e. airside), linking to Terminal 2 via 4 no. c. 4.4m. long elevated passenger link bridges installed at mezzanine level. The development will also include: the installation of 2 no. ventilation louvres (both c. 8m x 2m) on the south elevation of terminal 2; the provision of a bus set-down area to the south of the vertical circulation cores; and all other ancillary site development works above and below ground.

    Application DAC/024/16

    Redevelopment and extension of part of the existing Pier 2 to provide for additional bussing gate lounge

    Application 16/4041/7D
    The redevelopment of part of the existing internal office facilities on the ground floor of the Pier 2 buildings to provide for a new Bussing Gate Lounge. The redevelopment includes the removal of the existing office facilities on the ground floor, installation of new toilet facilities, installation of ramp egress from the Gate Lounge, insertion of a new stairwell and the reconfiguration of circulation at the first floor level.

    7. A380 Stand

    Application FS5/028/15
    Airbridge equipment at Dublin Airport


    8. Runway

    At tender stage. Need to remove/lter some planning conditions.

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    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/2016/04/07/daa-to-build-new-runway-at-dublin-airport

    9. Control Tower

    At tender stage
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    10. Fuel Storage Facility

    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/40-million-aviation-fuel-storage-facility-for-dublin-airport

    11. Fuel pipe

    12. T1 Arrivals

    Application 15/4214/7D
    It is proposed to redevelop the Arrivals area on ground floor in Terminal 1, Dublin Airport, including the provision of Food and Beverage Units, public seating areas and additional commercial space. It is also proposed to carry out material alterations

    t1

    https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/10-million-upgrade-for-arrivals-hall-terminal-1-dublin-airport

    13. Pier 3 works

    Application 15/4203/7D
    The proposed works comprise of Material Alterations to the existing Pier 3 at Terminal 1, Dublin Airport, Co. Dublin. The works consist of the reconfiguration of existing retail units and circulation route and addition of three stores in the link between Pier 3 and T1. In the Pier 3 Pavilion a retail unit is to be removed and general seating to be extended into this area.


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    #1733
    Jamie2k9
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    Perhaps the new 200 lounge if it is that is for BA and might explain the LHR flight move down.


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    #1734
    AndyBoBandy
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    That potential new arrivals area looks amazing, the current version couldn't be more horrible & depressing!! Those big shields so you couldn't see the people you were waiting for! (What in the actual f**k were they all about?)

    I was in there in the small hours of this morning and theres a ton of construction work going on!! What are they doing?

    Half the arrival area is sealed off for construction as well as a huge area in front of the car rental desks/Bank of Ireland (surrounding the escalator).


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    #1735
    lord lucan
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    All the car hire desks/sim local shop etc. are moving from their present location and clear glass windows are going in to allow more natural light in and make it feel more airy.

    I think the shield's in front of arrivals were placed there at the request of customs before the auto gates went in as it was possible to stand and observe what they were doing from the arrivals hall.


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    #1736
    AndyBoBandy
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    lord lucan wrote: »
    All the car hire desks/sim local shop etc. are moving from their present location and clear glass windows are going in to allow more natural light in and make it feel more airy.

    So the car hire desks moving will also free up a bit more space as well as allowing the natural light in. excellent. It's always felt a bit cramped in T1 arrivals, and no matter what time you were there, it always felt weird as the lack of natural light was very apparent.


    The mock up of T1 arrivals posted above by Khuitlio looks fantastic, very similar to T2 (which is one of the few things done right at T2 in my opinion).

    less is more.


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    #1737
    is this username available
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    Planning notices have been erected on roads around new runway to remove public right of way in a number of areas. Not sure how to upload picture but notice is at link below

    https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/public-right-way-over-barberstown-lane-and-parts-forrest-road-forrest-little-road-naul


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    #1738
    EchoIndia
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    is this username available wrote: »
    Planning notices have been erected on roads around new runway to remove public right of way in a number of areas. Not sure how to upload picture but notice is at link below

    https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/public-right-way-over-barberstown-lane-and-parts-forrest-road-forrest-little-road-naul

    Map here: http://www.fingalcoco.ie/media/Extinguishment%20of%20Right%20of%20Way%20over%20Barberstown%20-%20Map%202.pdf


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    #1739
    Jamie2k9
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    New EU rules may mean restrictions at DUB could be lifted for the the new runway.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/night-restrictions-on-dublin-airport-runway-may-be-lifted-1.2670591


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    #1740
    Dardania
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    New EU rules may mean restrictions at DUB could be lifted for the the new runway.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/night-restrictions-on-dublin-airport-runway-may-be-lifted-1.2670591
    Any idea what those rules are?


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    #1741
    Fattes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭Fattes


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    New EU rules may mean restrictions at DUB could be lifted for the the new runway.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/night-restrictions-on-dublin-airport-runway-may-be-lifted-1.2670591

    Will have zero impact, they are mostly eared towards new airports and green sites. Dublin is anything but, the restriction on night flights is totally justifiable and reasonable. No need for the airport to be operating 24\7 under normal conditions


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