Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Tenger

Oh dear God, dont give them any ideas

afatbollix

So Luton is about to get a rail link using automated trains. Maybe a good idea for Dublin to link to the Dart line?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-36054196

Irish Steve

afatbollix wrote: »

So Luton is about to get a rail link using automated trains. Maybe a good idea for Dublin to link to the Dart line?

They could start by having a system like this to connect from the long term car parks to the terminals, with drive through drop off and collect remote from the terminals, but it won't happen in my lifetime, DAA don't have the interest or the vision to do something that might make the place more attractive. In the longer term, there will be a requirement for a T3, which won't fit in the existing structure as there's nowhere to put the parking stands for the aircraft, so it will have to be in the area of the centre strip between the 2 main runways.

A rail link system between the terminals and the parking locations would make a huge load of sense, but again, the vision for this sort of thing is lacking, both at DAA and National Government level, we can't even agree on what transportation systems are needed to keep Dublin City moving, so something as controversial as expanding the airport even more will end up mired in objections and inquiries for at least a decade.

Avada

I was in IAD yesterday, and they actually have these airside to bring you from the gates to baggage reclaim (and I'm assuming passport control if you have to go through it).

Also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Knmgr2Ge8

Irish Steve

A system like this for access to car parks, and maybe in the future for access to "satellite" terminals would make things so much easier at Dublin. There's a very effective system at Orlando for airside transport, and Denver has a good system for getting to the right area after checkin, among others.

Given the location of the car parks in relation to the terminals, it shouldn't be particularly hard to put a system of this nature in to provide a better access to the main terminals, the whole drop off and pick up system at present is a shambles. I had hoped that when they were repairing the T1 set down road, they would have changed the road lane setup, and made the middle lane the "through lane", with a segregation of pedestrians from vehicles, but it didn't happen, and in the same vein, a quick pick up is almost impossible to do, partly because of the ignorance of Irish drivers, who won't use the system in the way they should, and partly because there is NO quick pick up point. Then there's the problem of taxi's doing a pre booked pickup, there's nowhere for them to use to wait for the passenger, and they won't pay to park in the multi storey, so invariably, at almost any time of the day, there are effectively parked taxis on the departure road, and that just makes it harder to get into a drop off point.

An unmanned system like the one above, linking to the long term car parks, and a new multi bay remote drop off and collect terminal would take a massive load off the main terminals. Multiple drop points, all that's then needed is for the incoming passenger to send a text to the person collecting them to give them the drop point number, and that makes the collection option a LOT simpler, the vehicle can be waiting at the designated drop point for the passenger to arrive.

rameire

logically speaking when the new runway is completed and ready,
will DAA not expand westways in the long term.
to accommodate this
T2 will expand into the cargo area,

T3 will be built just west of the boot in
and new cargo will be out towards St Margarets.

Tenger

Logic and DAA in the same sentence!!!!


About 20-25 years ago (maybe more) the then Aer Rianta showed off their masterplan for a future Dublin airport. It showed 2 parallel runway and a 2nd terminal located where the current ATC tower is now. At the time they did not currently own the land west of the tower, just the land for the runway. Many people outside of Aer Rianta got wind of this plan and 2 enterprising businessmen contacted the farmers in the area and bought their land. These 2 businessmen then got in contact with Aer Rianta and told them "when you want to build the new terminal give us a call" (or words to that effect!)

Aer Rianta (and later the DAA) didnt like this so thats how we all ended up with T2 where it is now and DAA in a sulk.

TheFitz13

Is the new apron that is at the north of the airfield built yet?

TheFitz13

TheFitz13 wrote: »

Is the new apron that is at the north of the airfield built yet?

Yes pretty much, they're just fixing the surface of the older portion to fit taxi lane lights markings and scrape the surface and relay so you can't see the old taxi markings and get confused in poor light and rain.

Should be open late June fully, two months late though.

davebuck

Are they building onto the 100 gates (pier D) at the moment to add more gates as well?

sparrowcar

davebuck wrote: »

Are they building onto the 100 gates (pier D) at the moment to add more gates as well?

No but they are reconfiguring the end of the pier to allow more boarding gates and new passenger walkways out to stands at the end of the pier.

stopthepanic

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes pretty much, they're just fixing the surface of the older portion to fit taxi lane lights markings and scrape the surface and relay so you can't see the old taxi markings and get confused in poor light and rain.

Should be open late June fully, two months late though.

Opening this Friday, 29th April. Subject to weather allowing for all the markings to go down.

sparrowcar

sparrowcar wrote: »

No but they are reconfiguring the end of the pier to allow more boarding gates and new passenger walkways out to stands at the end of the pier.

Planning permission sought for a 10000sqft one story extension

sparrowcar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Planning permission sought for a 10000sqft one story extension

Correct but that is not what they are working on at the moment as per the question.

davebuck

davebuck wrote: »

Are they building onto the 100 gates (pier D) at the moment to add more gates as well?

sparrowcar wrote: »

No but they are reconfiguring the end of the pier to allow more boarding gates and new passenger walkways out to stands at the end of the pier.

Deleted User wrote: »

Planning permission sought for a 10000sqft one story extension

sparrowcar wrote: »

Correct but that is not what they are working on at the moment as per the question.

Sorry, I'm confused. You answered NO and said they were reconfiguring the end of the pier. I said they have sought a 10,000 sqft one story extension etc etc

Anyway here's the full text of the planning sought and approved

Full Development Description


The construction of a Pre-Boarding Zone for passengers at the western end of Pier 1. This will comprise the removal of an existing equipment set-down area and staircore to the west of Pier 1; the construction of a single storey extension (c. 7.8m high) with a part mezzanine level plant room, linked to the existing west elevation of Pier 1 with a c. 7.75m. long linked corridor; and localised alterations to the glazing on the west elevation of Pier 1 to facilitate linkages with the proposed Pre-Boarding Zone. The proposed development will result in additional gross floor area of c. 1,066 sq.m. and includes all other ancillary site development works above and below ground. The application site comprises an area of c. 0.22 hectares.

Idbatterim

DAA urged to build second runway ahead of schedule

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/daa-urged-to-build-second-runway-ahead-of-schedule-1.2629371

medoc

What is most needed at Dublin at the moment, a second runway or extra gate capacity in the terminals? It's good that the second main runway is on the way. How advanced are plans for additional gate space, if needed?

Avada

I would say that Dublin needs more gate space ahead of a new runway. The immigration hall at Pier 1/2 needs to be increased vastly in size also.

MJohnston

Isn't one point that Dublin Airport needs *a* runway, and the existing southern runway is rapidly becoming in need of serious maintenance?

Chris_5339762

Partly yes. Once the new runway is opened, there won't be dual ops for a year or two as they'll basically rebuild the ones thats there currently.

paulheu

I'd suggest getting access to the airport improved first.. Rail would IMO be nothing short of vital for this to work out..

Tenger

Rail access would be helpful and very convenient for the public but the airport is very accessible at the moment. Goid road network close by, and plenty of bus links.
As for gate space OR runway? Hard to judge. Its a chicken and egg situation. Both are needed, but both also need each other.
Runway allows more daily movements, which cant happen if gate space is a bottleneck. More gates allows more aircraft parking, but cabt happen if constrained by a single runway.

More use of remote stand will allow airport to maximise existing real estate. Squeezing new flights into off peak times allows more movements without increasing strain during peak.
Once major runway work complete the planned new piers/pier extensions can happen to create more gate space.

As Billy Connolly once asked "....has anyone ever been to an airport thats actually been finished?"

markpb

paulheu wrote: »

I'd suggest getting access to the airport improved first.. Rail would IMO be nothing short of vital for this to work out..

Rail access is somewhat irrelevant to DAA investment. They can invest in runways, aprons, piers, terminals, car parks and anything else on their land but there's nothing they can do about convincing the government to build a railway.

Chris_5339762

paulheu wrote: »

I'd suggest getting access to the airport improved first.. Rail would IMO be nothing short of vital for this to work out..

True, but at the end of the day the current runway is desperately in need of a major overhaul.

salmocab

The rail link for me isn't a immediate must, the access to the airport isn't too bad. The rail link is more important to places like swords and obviously a link to swords should go through the airport but its not a short term must

AndyBoBandy

I personally think the access to/from the airport (for cars) is a pile of shïtê.

Too many lights stopping you getting in and again getting out. For someone who has driven to the airport hundreds and hundreds of times (I'm not a taxi driver), I despise the access to/from Dublin airport.

Example: after dropping someone off, you've 3 sets of traffic lights to get through before you get to the airport roundabout (which has multiple sets of lights on it!!).

I also regularly drive to/from airports all over Europe, and find them so much easier (free flowing) than Dublin.

Idbatterim

I totally agree. Could they not simply put down a yield sign on the less busy road and lights would then only be activated by pedestrian crossing?

lucernarian

Tenger wrote: »

Rail access would be helpful and very convenient for the public but the airport is very accessible at the moment. Goid road network close by, and plenty of bus links.
As for gate space OR runway? Hard to judge. Its a chicken and egg situation. Both are needed, but both also need each other.
Runway allows more daily movements, which cant happen if gate space is a bottleneck. More gates allows more aircraft parking, but cabt happen if constrained by a single runway.

More use of remote stand will allow airport to maximise existing real estate. Squeezing new flights into off peak times allows more movements without increasing strain during peak.
Once major runway work complete the planned new piers/pier extensions can happen to create more gate space.

As Billy Connolly once asked "....has anyone ever been to an airport thats actually been finished?"

Plenty of bus links?? Errr.... to Dublin city: 2 local bus services, one semi-express semi-premium double-decker service and then a premium, sort-of express service. What do they all have in common? Unreliability and dealing with frequent traffic snarls. It's like a baker offering several varieties of bread, except they're all mouldy.

If only sense would prevail and allow a cheaper cut-and-cover metro north tunnel to be built in tandem with Runway 28 resurfacing... Airport expansion and landside connectivity could be improved in one fell swoop.

Chris_5339762

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Partly yes. Once the new runway is opened, there won't be dual ops for a year or two as they'll basically rebuild the ones thats there currently.

Not true. 28 will be resurfaced start this winter with a thick overlay, works will take 18-24 months (overnight). Once completed the work done will be sufficent to keep the runway going for many many years.

Charles Babbage

Deleted User wrote: »

Not true. 28 will be resurfaced start this winter with a thick overlay, works will take 18-24 months (overnight). Once completed the work done will be sufficent to keep the runway going for many many years.

How is a thick overlay achieved in stages each night without "steps" appearing?