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Connacht vs Munster, Sat 16th April 19.15, Sportsground. Sky Sports 5/TG4

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    #452
    jm08
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Which position did he apply for?

    There's reportedly personal animosity between Penney and Hansen isn't there?
    He (Penney) missed out to Blackadder in 2009 when Robbie Deans left the Crusaders, and to Dave Rennie at the Chiefs in 2012. What would have hurt most was being overlooked when Mark Hammett was appointed Hurricanes head coach in 2011.


    Penney had been the Canterbury coach for six years and won three national titles. Hammett had only worked as an assistant with the Crusaders, under Deans and Blackadder.

    First I've heard about Hansen. Think he upset a few people for siding with Robbie Deans v. Steve Tew. Wayne Smith recommended him to Munster. At the time, David Humphreys was asked why Ulster had not approached him and he said that ''Penney was a bit strong for them'.


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    #453
    jm08
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    That's what I'm saying. Players being based in Limerick and Cork is not an excuse for them not training together every day. The cities are close enough to each other. The fact they aren't training together every day is a **** up by Munster rugby.

    Haven't you heard that the road between Cork & Limerick is very poor and they are not going to upgrade it. It would be quicker to get from Dublin to Limerick than it would be to get from Cork to Limerick.


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    #454
    jm08
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    .ak wrote: »
    He saying he's handed one of his players cards twice. Why say it? Because he's trying to draw attention to it in the public eye. It's nothing to do with it being something they have to work on. He singled out the ref and the player. It's bizarre.

    Well feic me, you've just had a crushing loss and you are asked questions when you say what you think. Would you prefer if they said nothing?


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    #455
    Yeah_Right
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Haven't you heard that the road between Cork & Limerick is very poor and they are not going to upgrade it. It would be quicker to get from Dublin to Limerick than it would be to get from Cork to Limerick.

    The one and only road between Cork and Limerick. How about the train? It's probably quicker than driving and I'm guessing it runs a few times a day.


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    #456
    jm08
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    The one and only road between Cork and Limerick. How about the train? It's probably quicker than driving and I'm guessing it runs a few times a day.

    Plenty of trains already (with one change). Take 2hrs 10 mins each way - so that would be about 4.5 hours per day on a train.


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    Interested Observer
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    The one and only road between Cork and Limerick. How about the train? It's probably quicker than driving and I'm guessing it runs a few times a day.

    This is not worth discussion, every other pro rugby side on the planet has managed to instruct their players to show up at a certain place at a certain time for training, if Munster want to make this insane decision to give their players a choice then it's their problem.


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    #458
    OldRio
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Plenty of trains already (with one change). Take 2hrs 10 mins each way - so that would be about 4.5 hours per day on a train.

    No wonder they got beat. It all makes sense now.


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    #459
    jm08
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    Interested Observer wrote: »
    This is not worth discussion, every other pro rugby side on the planet has managed to instruct their players to show up at a certain place at a certain time for training, if Munster want to make this insane decision to give their players a choice then it's their problem.

    A new training centre is being opened in Limerick for next season (a new 10m training centre is being built in UL). The issue has been addressed, but they are not happy about it in Cork.


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    #460
    Bazzo
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Plenty of trains already (with one change). Take 2hrs 10 mins each way - so that would be about 4.5 hours per day on a train.

    I just looked it up to see how true this is. There's a fast train in the morning and evening that takes a little over an hour and a half(1.35ish) and there are plenty of others that are around 1.45-1.50 so no.

    This is a ridiculous point to be arguing anyway, who exactly are you assigning blame to here? Is it the IRFU's faut? Dept of transport? Joe Schmidt?


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    #461
    jm08
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    I just looked it up to see how true this is. There's a fast train in the morning and evening that takes a little over an hour and a half(1.35ish) and there are plenty of others that are around 1.45-1.50 so no.

    This is a ridiculous point to be arguing anyway, who exactly are you assigning blame to here? Is it the IRFU's faut? Dept of transport? Joe Schmidt?

    I'm not assigning blame on anyone. It was a crazy situation which has now been addressed.


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    irishbucsfan
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    I just looked it up to see how true this is. There's a fast train in the morning and evening that takes a little over an hour and a half(1.35ish) and there are plenty of others that are around 1.45-1.50 so no.

    This is a ridiculous point to be arguing anyway, who exactly are you assigning blame to here? Is it the IRFU's faut? Dept of transport? Joe Schmidt?

    It's always been a very curious thing. I suspect it's just down to possessiveness from a certain section of people with too much power. I can't understand what's stopping them moving everyone, even if they have to provide accommodation temporarily, why didn't it happen a decade ago.


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    Bazzo
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    It's always been a very curious thing. I suspect it's just down to possessiveness from a certain section of people with too much power. I can't understand what's stopping them moving everyone, even if they have to provide accommodation temporarily, why didn't it happen a decade ago.

    Certainly looks that way, it was an entirely internal issue that has finally been dealt with thankfully, really bizzare way to work things the way they have been up until now.


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    jm08
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    It's always been a very curious thing. I suspect it's just down to possessiveness from a certain section of people with too much power. I can't understand what's stopping them moving everyone, even if they have to provide accommodation temporarily, why didn't it happen a decade ago.

    Check out Munsterfans to see how really annoyed the Cork fans are about this. They feel that Munster has now become a Limerick team and that Cork, as the largest city in the Province is being neglected. They are gunning for Garret Fitzgerald because he allowed this to happen!

    Everyone is moving to Limerick for next season. It didn't happen a decade ago because it suited - most the backs were in Cork and the most the forwards were in Limerick - they met up twice a week and they were such good players, they managed. Jim Williams (back in the 00s) said it was absolutely crazy carry on.


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    #465
    swiwi_
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Can't remember his name being linked with any of the clubs. As for any animosity, swiwi would probably know more. He's from the same neck of the woods.

    I don't know of any ill-feeling between Steve & Rob but I think the latter may have burnt some bridges along the way and he has been consistently overlooked for a super coaching post.

    As for the 2 training bases malarkey that would be the end of the NZ super rugby franchises. I'll have some of what jm08 is smoking, she has lost the plot.

    There should be a good masters thesis and even a book out of all this "The rise and fall of Munster rugby: (add your choice of angle here)."

    How Munster go about trying to put the ship back on keel will be interesting. Needs to start by accepting responsibility and not blaming refs or geography.


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    #466
    jm08
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    swiwi_ wrote: »
    As for the 2 training bases malarkey that would be the end of the NZ super rugby franchises. I'll have some of what jm08 is smoking, she has lost the plot.

    Not too sure what you mean by this?

    Are you saying that NZ super rugby franchises have a similar set-up to Munster where the teams train separately? I was under the impression that Munster was unique in having two training bases with the full squad only meeting up together twice a week.


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    kuang1
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Not too sure what you mean by this?

    Are you saying that NZ super rugby franchises have a similar set-up to Munster where the teams train separately? I was under the impression that Munster was unique in having two training bases with the full squad only meeting up together twice a week.
    This is my 3rd time asking you...
    Are you happy for Foley to remain as headcoach?


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    Yeah_Right
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    jm08 wrote: »
    Not too sure what you mean by this?

    Are you saying that NZ super rugby franchises have a similar set-up to Munster where the teams train separately? I was under the impression that Munster was unique in having two training bases with the full squad only meeting up together twice a week.

    When the Chiefs were first created they combined North Harbour/Northland with Waikato. It was a fubacle far greater to any issues between Cork and Limerick. Thankfully that's all changed.

    All the franchises have one base for training and playing the majority of their home games. The players all live there for the season. They do however travel around their regions for a couple of games and meet n greets with fans. Nearly all the preseason games will be played outside of their usual home field. Remember though, NZ is a lot bigger than Ireland so commuting from home towns wouldn't be an option for a lot of the players.


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    #469
    jm08
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    kuang1 wrote: »
    This is my 3rd time asking you...
    Are you happy for Foley to remain as headcoach?

    Yes. I think he is a good coach. Munster have lost some key people through retirement and injury this year (POC, POM & BJ) as well as some people coming back from long term injuries like Sherry & Archer. We could have done with a bit more experience in the squad.


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    #470
    Yeah_Right
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    Was Foleys contract recently extended?


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    #471
    jm08
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    When the Chiefs were first created they combined North Harbour/Northland with Waikato. It was a fubacle far greater to any issues between Cork and Limerick. Thankfully that's all changed.

    All the franchises have one base for training and playing the majority of their home games. The players all live there for the season. They do however travel around their regions for a couple of games and meet n greets with fans. Nearly all the preseason games will be played outside of their usual home field. Remember though, NZ is a lot bigger than Ireland so commuting from home towns wouldn't be an option for a lot of the players.

    So, Munster is unique in its set up.

    By the way, there has always been a massive rivalry between Cork and Limerick. Thats why Cork fans are really pissed off that everything is in Limerick now.


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    irishbucsfan
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Was Foleys contract recently extended?

    Yes, until the end of next season.


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    jm08
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    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Was Foleys contract recently extended?

    No. He had an option for a 3rd year on his original contract which he has taken up.


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    #474
    awec
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    jm08 wrote: »
    No. He had an option for a 3rd year on his original contract which he has taken up.

    Sorry jm08 but this is just nonsensical spin.


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    jm08
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    awec wrote: »
    Sorry jm08 but this is just nonsensical spin.

    That is how it works. It was up to Axel not to exercise the option.

    I'd imagine there was a bit of learning involved from what happened when Leinster sacked MOC anyway. You could be left with no one.


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    awec
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    jm08 wrote: »
    That is how it works. It was up to Axel not to exercise the option.

    I'd imagine there was a bit of learning involved from what happened when Leinster sacked MOC anyway. You could be left with no one.

    :pac:

    Stop digging jm08. He may have had the option to sign for a third year but at the end of the day he initially signed for two and was allowed to sign for the extra year.

    You can dress it up however you want, stick whatever name on it you wish and make all the references to Leinster that you want (who by the way are sitting top of the table and have done the double over Munster this year) but in reality he was given the extra year.


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    irishbucsfan
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    jm08 wrote: »
    No. He had an option for a 3rd year on his original contract which he has taken up.

    Nope. It's a mutual option, Munster extend it first.

    As Fitzgerald said "As confirmed previously, we offered Anthony the option to extend his contract as per the initial agreement in 2014 and we are pleased to see him avail of this renewal and commit to the province for a further year"


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    #478
    jm08
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    awec wrote: »
    :pac:

    Stop digging jm08. He may have had the option to sign for a third year but at the end of the day he initially signed for two and was allowed to sign for the extra year.

    You can dress it up however you want, stick whatever name on it you wish and make all the references to Leinster that you want (who by the way are sitting top of the table and have done the double over Munster this year) but in reality he was given the extra year.

    The only one digging is you. It would have cost Munster to withdraw the 3rd year option. If its not relevant, why state that the contract is 2 years plus option on 3rd in the first place.

    Its a fact that Leinster (which would be regarded as a more attractive option than Munster), did not receive any applicants to replace MOC and Leinster were lucky they had Leo & Girvan to fall back on.


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    jm08
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Nope. It's a mutual option, Munster extend it first.

    As Fitzgerald said "As confirmed previously, we offered Anthony the option to extend his contract as per the initial agreement in 2014 and we are pleased to see him avail of this renewal and commit to the province for a further year"

    You missed the bit in bold.


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    thomond2006
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    jm08 wrote: »
    It would have cost Munster to withdraw the 3rd year option.

    Evidence please.


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    #481
    awec
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    jm08 wrote: »
    The only one digging is you. It would have cost Munster to withdraw the 3rd year option. If its not relevant, why state that the contract is 2 years plus option on 3rd in the first place.

    Its a fact that Leinster (which would be regarded as a more attractive option than Munster), did not receive any applicants to replace MOC and Leinster were lucky they had Leo & Girvan to fall back on.

    It is costing Munster right now, you are awful.

    Leinster got rid of MOC late which didn't help with applicants, Munster should have told Foley there was no extension and been looking for replacements 3 or 4 months ago. It's not as if the poor showings are a recent thing.


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