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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    What did we think of Robb? Thought he made some decent lines at times and made two particularly impressive tackles. He had big shoes to fill.

    Also was really hard to see the replay of Isa's first tackle on Niyi. Was it actually high?


  • Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭Sean Kinsella


    What did we think of Robb? Thought he made some decent lines at times and made two particularly impressive tackles. He had big shoes to fill.

    Also was really hard to see the replay of Isa's first tackle on Niyi. Was it actually high?

    RE: my earlier opinion:-

    EDIT: I stand corrected, below.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One score over 160 minutes fair enough but the conditions for both matches were appalling and were never going to be try fests. Until the last few minutes tonight Leinster never remotely threatened a try. Some games are arm-wrestles. We've lost a few of those type of games but we deservedly won this one.

    Leinster may well go on and win the league but in terms of where they want to get there is serious surgery needed within their squad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    Isa's tackle was certainly high on Niyi. Right call.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Padkir


    Just the right side of legal, I believe.

    That was basically Nacewa all night... Another ref would have had him in the bin. Always seemed to be putting borderline hits in and was only done once for it.

    Edit: those are my thoughts from being at the match; maybe the replays will show he was OK with most of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Just back from the match so don't know how it looked on TV but how Nacewa completed 80mins is beyond me. Two clear cut dangerously high tackles, neck/head high stuff. Owens bottled that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭MarinersBlues


    neelia11 wrote: »
    eh New Years Day? Remember that when connacht scored NIL. For all the talk of how great connacht are attacking, against the best defence in the league, against players quite a few connacht fans mock over international selection, connacht have ONE score in 160 minutes.

    And ye have scored the same against the defense that is consistently mocked as having revolving doors looking after it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    Thought Finlay did brilliantly for 75 mins

    Buckley is the best loose head in Ireland

    Sean had a great game

    O Leary looked good when he came on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    cson wrote: »
    Just back from the match so don't know how it looked on TV but how Nacewa completed 80mins is beyond me. Two clear cut dangerously high tackles, neck/head high stuff. Owens bottled that.

    one on Niyi he was penalised for but it wasnt YC territory. He put one big hit on AJ i think which was fine. Dont recall any other


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    And ye have scored the same against the defense that is consistently mocked as having revolving doors looking after it.

    Well if the conditions of both games is an excuse for connachts attack, does the same apply for leinster?

    Leinster have issues in attack, some of which is down to how this season has been so disjointed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭MarinersBlues


    neelia11 wrote: »
    one on Niyi he was penalised for but it wasnt YC territory. He put one big hit on AJ i think which was fine. Dont recall any other

    The AJ one was high and very dangerous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Iompair


    2 tackles that were just legal and no more, never wrapped his arms on McGinty though, lucky to get away with it.

    A rematch in good weather and Connacht can make it 2 weeks from 3 easy Leinster were pretty poor in conditions ideally suited to their brand of rugby.


  • Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭Sean Kinsella


    One score over 160 minutes fair enough but the conditions for both matches were appalling and were never going to be try fests. Until the last few minutes tonight Leinster never remotely threatened a try. Some games are arm-wrestles. We've lost a few of those type of games but we deservedly won this one.

    Leinster may well go on and win the league but in terms of where they want to get there is serious surgery needed within their squad.[/QUOTE]



    We need to release a few and that's for certain.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    The AJ one was high and very dangerous.

    definitely wasnt high, in the chest is allowed and he did wrap


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Another thing I took from the match; I think Madigan is the most yellow player I've seen in a while. Just did not want to know there today. I reckon his shirt was as white as it was in minute 1 as it was in minute 80. How he's been one of the first names in the Irish squad is beyond me. Doesn't lead, doesn't take the ball into contact, makes poor decisions kicking from hand and tries mind boggling idiotic stuff with it in hand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    He's many things but he isn't yellow if you've watched him at all over the years. I've given him a rough time but he's generally a very brave and reliable tackler and goes into contact aggressively.


  • Registered Users Posts: 371 ✭✭Sean Kinsella


    cson wrote: »
    Another thing I took from the match; I think Madigan is the most yellow player I've seen in a while. Just did not want to know there today. I reckon his shirt was as white as it was in minute 1 as it was in minute 80. How he's been one of the first names in the Irish squad is beyond me. Doesn't lead, doesn't take the ball into contact, makes poor decisions kicking from hand and tries mind boggling idiotic stuff with it in hand.

    I wouldn't call him as lacking in courage, but for whatever reason, both in provincial and international terms, the word I'd use would be disappointing and that comes from someone who saw him as a real and genuine prospect.

    That said, he's streets ahead of Marsh, who gives (as it stands and the lad is still only 24), no indication of knocking on Cullen's door as an irresistible selection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Leinster may well go on and win the league but in terms of where they want to get there is serious surgery needed within their squad.

    Ah I'm sorry but that's a gross overstatement.

    Our squad is pretty excellent. Think of the players we were missing today. Just the back row, for example, we were missing Jamie Heaslip, Sean O'Brien, Jack Conan and Jordi Murphy. All capped internationals, and 2 Lions test players. Add even one of those to our starting team and suddenly we've got one of the best back rows in Europe again.

    We have a problem in our depth at 10, and that will not be resolved soon. We look to have a solution at 9 and another one soon arriving. Our midfield has gone from a huge strength to a huge weakness back to a huge strength.

    Next season the only part of the side I'm really worried about is our depth at 10 in the absence of Sexton (hugely important as it is). Outside of that position I think we've got the best depth in the league.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    Outside of that position I think we've got the best depth in the league.

    Add in a squad together from pre season onwards and with the AIs causing less disruption then the RWC should see a step up too


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    I know Healy dropped a good few balls tonight but what was encouraging was he was he taking up good positions to receive the ball, maybe he was trying too hard to prove a point considering who was opposite him tonight.
    But why oHalloran and Buckley are not in the Irish shake up is truly bizarre.
    that game tonight was where the leinster lions were meant to show their superior international class.
    If i were able to get Henshaws ear I would say these simple words, "If you want to be all you can be, stay"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,076 ✭✭✭✭vienne86


    Ah I'm sorry but that's a gross overstatement.

    Our squad is pretty excellent. Think of the players we were missing today. Just the back row, for example, we were missing Jamie Heaslip, Sean O'Brien, Jack Conan and Jordi Murphy. All capped internationals, and 2 Lions test players. Add even one of those to our starting team and suddenly we've got one of the best back rows in Europe again.

    We have a problem in our depth at 10, and that will not be resolved soon. We look to have a solution at 9 and another one soon arriving. Our midfield has gone from a huge strength to a huge weakness back to a huge strength.

    Next season the only part of the side I'm really worried about is our depth at 10 in the absence of Sexton (hugely important as it is). Outside of that position I think we've got the best depth in the league.

    Yeah 10 is a real worry to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz



    that game tonight was where the leinster lions were meant to show their superior international class.

    Who were the Leinster Lions? Jamie Heaslip came off the bench with like 20 mins to go. Luke Fitzgerald got injured early on.

    The only Lion who was on the pitch for a significant amount of time was Cian Healy.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah I'm sorry but that's a gross overstatement.

    Our squad is pretty excellent. Think of the players we were missing today. Just the back row, for example, we were missing Jamie Heaslip, Sean O'Brien, Jack Conan and Jordi Murphy. All capped internationals, and 2 Lions test players. Add even one of those to our starting team and suddenly we've got one of the best back rows in Europe again.

    We have a problem in our depth at 10, and that will not be resolved soon. We look to have a solution at 9 and another one soon arriving. Our midfield has gone from a huge strength to a huge weakness back to a huge strength.

    Next season the only part of the side I'm really worried about is our depth at 10 in the absence of Sexton (hugely important as it is). Outside of that position I think we've got the best depth in the league.

    If Leinster's ambition is just the league that's fair enough as the squad undoubtedly has depth in a lot of areas and should always be competing to win the league but the I think the barometer is set higher in Leinster.

    Looking at them as a squad looking to challenge in Europe. Being brutal and it's sad to see but Cian Healy looks like he's hit the wall. I think he should be let re-charge his batteries in the summer and see can he recover to some extent for next season. Mike Ross has been a great servant and is defying his critics to some extent but he's only a bit part solution. Front row options are fine at Pro 12 level but Furlong still has it all to prove in my eyes as the long term alternative at tight head.

    2nd row options just aren't really convincing at the top level in my view. Leinster need a big signing here. Nagle might do a job at Pro 12 level but that's about it.

    Back row is strong but will O'Brien remain available for any extended period?

    At 9 and 10, I don't know enough to comment on Jamison Gibson-Park who looks to be signing but McGrath has yet to fully convince me. Spent most of this evening moaning to the ref looking for penalties rather than playing the game at the tempo needed. Depth at 10 as you say is questionable.

    Centre partnership is potentially exciting but again with Luke Fitzgerald having setback after setback, the back 3 options have pretty much zero gas and won't fill any top team with fear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    Hagz wrote: »
    Who were the Leinster Lions? Jamie Heaslip came off the bench with like 20 mins to go. Luke Fitzgerald got injured early on.

    The only Lion who was on the pitch for a significant amount of time was Cian Healy.

    their all lions, thats their full name the Leinster Lions.
    The way they have played the breakdown for years they should have called themselves the cheetahs. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    their all lions, thats their full name the Leinster Lions.
    The way they have played the breakdown for years they should have called themselves the cheetahs. :pac:

    eh Leinster RUGBY, not Leinster Lions.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    Hagz wrote: »
    Who were the Leinster Lions? Jamie Heaslip came off the bench with like 20 mins to go. Luke Fitzgerald got injured early on.

    The only Lion who was on the pitch for a significant amount of time was Cian Healy.
    So McFadden, so ringrose, so te'o, so Fitzgerald, so McGrath, so nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    their all lions, thats their full name the Leinster Lions.
    The way they have played the breakdown for years they should have called themselves the cheetahs. :pac:

    Leinster haven't been called the Lions for over a decade


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    neelia11 wrote: »
    eh Leinster RUGBY, not Leinster Lions.

    enter leinster lions in to google and be ready to be shocked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 824 ✭✭✭sheep?


    their all lions, thats their full name the Leinster Lions.
    The way they have played the breakdown for years they should have called themselves the cheetahs. :pac:

    I don't get this. Is it because they can run really really fast?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    vienne86 wrote: »
    I wish Luke McGrath would stop these box kicks.

    He is trying to catch Joe's eye and show that he can play his type of game. Serious battle on here for the position of benching Irish scrummie of the next few years.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    enter leinster lions in to google and be ready to be shocked.

    http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    If Leinster's ambition is just the league that's fair enough as the squad undoubtedly has depth in a lot of areas and should always be competing to win the league but the I think the barometer is set higher in Leinster.

    Looking at them as a squad looking to challenge in Europe. Being brutal and it's sad to see but Cian Healy looks like he's hit the wall. I think he should be let re-charge his batteries in the summer and see can he recover to some extent for next season. Mike Ross has been a great servant and is defying his critics to some extent but he's only a bit part solution. Front row options are fine at Pro 12 level but Furlong still has it all to prove in my eyes as the long term alternative at tight head.

    2nd row options just aren't really convincing at the top level in my view. Leinster need a big signing here. Nagle might do a job at Pro 12 level but that's about it.

    Back row is strong but will O'Brien remain available for any extended period?

    At 9 and 10, I don't know enough to comment on Jamison Gibson-Park who looks to be signing but McGrath has yet to fully convince me. Spent most of this evening moaning to the ref looking for penalties rather than playing the game at the tempo needed. Depth at 10 as you say is questionable.

    Centre partnership is potentially exciting but again with Luke Fitzgerald having setback after setback, the back 3 options have pretty much zero gas and won't fill any top team with fear.

    I'm happy with them starting by winning the league.

    I think our squad is more than good enough to win our pool in Europe. Maybe not there in terms of beating very elite European teams consistently but we have plenty of weapons and a good age profile in the squad that will allow us time to attempt to fill in those gaps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    sheep? wrote: »
    I don't get this. Is it because they can run really really fast?

    No because cheetahs are on the endangered list. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Baggy Trousers


    What a win! Brilliant!

    Connacht played all the rugby and fully deserved it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,257 ✭✭✭Hagz


    So McFadden, so ringrose, so te'o, so Fitzgerald, so McGrath, so nothing.

    Honestly, how you're allowed get away with this is beyond me.

    What you've posted is complete gibberish. You consistently post gibberish.

    Several times you've quoted me and responded with something that a) Isn't related to what I've posted and b) Isn't comprehensible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    So McFadden, so ringrose, so te'o, so Fitzgerald, so McGrath, so nothing.

    Jeez man you are making me cringe
    I love you flouncer but jaysus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭porterbelly


    That homegrown back row were magnificent today for us.

    SOB made some massive hits and some of his foot work pre contact with ball in hand in order to make a couple of extra metres was excellent.

    McKeon was everywhere. Some engine. Hopefully he can stay fit for a sustained period.

    Muldoon was the glue, he must have hit 100 rucks and again his ball skills were on show. Must have passed from the 9 position 5 or 6 times when Marmion was scragged and looked so comfortable. Bar Stander, imo he's been the best performing Irish back row in all the provinces this year.

    Connolly came on and just threw himself about with complete disregard. When you think we were missing Heenan, Masterson and Fox-Matamua, we're in rude health here. I think our young lads are as good as anything that's out there, eg Van Der Flier, Jack O Donoghue, they just don't get the same recognition given the location of the national media


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Jeez man you are making me cringe
    I love you flouncer but jaysus
    There ya go. Am a total disaster. But today most enjoyed


  • Administrators Posts: 54,256 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Gonna trade my leinster season ticket in for a connacht one cause I'm a glory hunter.

    Leinster are yesterday's news. All hail the west and the men in green.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    The AJ one was high and very dangerous.

    I genuinely didn't think it was high. I was more interested in whether it was a proper tackle.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Muldoon was the glue, he must have hit 100 rucks and again his ball skills were on show. Must have passed from the 9 position 5 or 6 times when Marmion was scragged and looked so comfortable. Bar Stander, imo he's been the best performing Irish back row in all the provinces this year.

    He pulled one ball out from the back of a scrum and fired it out wide in front of me at one stage that was just :eek: for a back row.

    Just thinking - when you consider what Leinster pulled off the bench in the second half, it was a phenomenal defensive performance to hold out. The replacements Leinster brought on had 361 international caps between them. Did the Connacht replacements even have 1 between them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭neelia11


    cson wrote: »
    Did the Connacht replacements even have 1 between them?

    Henshaw?
    Bealham?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,813 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    So McFadden, so ringrose, so te'o, so Fitzgerald, so McGrath, so nothing.
    Gracious in victory, generous in defeat. Always classy :rolleyes:

    It was a most enjoyable game with the result in the balance until the end. A proper game of rugby.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    neelia11 wrote: »
    Henshaw?
    Bealham?

    Ronan Loughney with 1 cap also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭cson


    22 caps, my bad.

    22 vs 361 still proves my point though I feel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    Hagz wrote: »
    Honestly, how you're allowed get away with this is beyond me.

    What you've posted is complete gibberish. You consistently post gibberish.

    Several times you've quoted me and responded with something that a) Isn't related to what I've posted and b) Isn't comprehensible.

    We had to deal with it in the Connacht thread for a few years. Everyones posts to interpret now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Delighted for Connacht, and the scenes after the game were special. Great to see. I was thinking before the game how great it would have been if the IRFU had funded T'eo to go the other way on a central deal in exchange for Henshaw, and you'd him and Bundee in midfield. But after today I realise the two of them would probably end up killing each other :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    Gracious in victory, generous in defeat. Always classy :rolleyes:

    It was a most enjoyable game with the result in the balance until the end. A proper game of rugby.

    There is me but then there is connacht. By nature connacht folks are generous in defeat and most happy in victory. So while i may be a twit thats me. Most others are rational and post reasonable stuff. If I wasnt gracious then that was me. Need to take a social media course. I just add a different twist. God, I am feeling so mental now you couldn't even go there. Connacht, win top of the league game, what is going on. Even with heenan gone, no stress.

    Lets just hope when we win the challenge cup and the pro12 that joe may have read the tony ward article in the independent today and finally worked a reasonable viewpoint. This mangling push forward, mangling, push forward stuff has to stop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭its_phil


    neelia11 wrote: »
    it says absolutely nothing really. Healy kept losing the ball in contact for example. In two games between these sides this season connacht have one score in 160 minutes of rugby against the "international team". For all the talk about connacht's way of playing that little fact speaks volumes. You can argue with opinion about the merits of any player but thats just opinion.

    How on earth does that speak volumes about Connacht's attack? What speaks volumes about the way Connacht play today is the ability of backs and forwards with ball in hand.

    160 minutes against Leinster doesn't sum Connachts attack. But 50 trys makes it look pretty good from the top of the table.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭Billysays no


    its_phil wrote: »
    How on earth does that speak volumes about Connacht's attack? What speaks volumes about the way Connacht play today is the ability of backs and forwards with ball in hand.

    160 minutes against Leinster doesn't sum Connachts attack. But 50 trys makes it look pretty good from the top of the table.
    absolutely right its_phil. in the middle of a really feel good place at the moment :-)


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