Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

plodder · 26-02-2016 02:08PM

ukoda wrote: »

I'm a voter. When I look at that I think to myself "I hope it helps catch tax cheats out" I've no issues with revenue and no ill feelings towards them as I pay my taxes and declare what I'm supposed to and they've never bothered me

Same here, but it's not an example I would have used on election day.

Sam Russell · 26-02-2016 03:13PM

plodder wrote: »

Same here, but it's not an example I would have used on election day.

Were not some parties offering to abolish the Revenue. Look at all the promises - no USC, no property tax, no water charges, flat tax, reduce high rates of income tax - also increased tax relief for everyone. Sure with all that tax relief then we would no need for them any more.

Of course the same parties were committing to more money for the HSE (except the ones offering to abolish the HSE), more doctors and nurses, more money for the homeless, more money for social housing, first time home buyers grants, more money for pensioners, reverse all the austerity cuts, free universal health services, etc. etc.

Sure with all that extra expenditure, we had better bring back the Revenue before we get rid of it.

Get out and vote.

ukoda · 26-02-2016 05:41PM

Looks interesting....not quite sure what it's for yet though

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/703254715916754944

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/703256555978936322

hans aus dtschl · 26-02-2016 05:43PM

Looks like it's a forward-lookup of eircode to Google maps. Nice idea, because the official maps Eircode use (OSI?) aren't very nice.

Would like the opposite (Google/Bing/OpenStreetMap -> Eircode) too

ukoda · 26-02-2016 05:47PM

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/703259780853473280

ukoda · 26-02-2016 06:16PM

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/703262409411133441

marmurr1916 · 26-02-2016 08:32PM

Lots of state agencies implementing Eircodes:

Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 6 hrs6 hours ago
Revenue Commissioners have #Eircode enabled the most popular annual forms that are completed by PAYE and self-assessed individuals.
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By Dec 2015, over 1 million pieces of correspondence issued from the Revenue Commissioners contained an #Eircode
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Private Residential Tenancy Board paper forms have been updated to include #Eircode and the PRTB online system now accepts eircodes.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 7 hrs7 hours ago
All 2016 Census forms will include an #Eircode for each address that will be delivered to each household in 2016.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 7 hrs7 hours ago
Department of Social Protection have issued over 877k #Eircode enabled pieces of correspondence. Almost all paper forms have been updated.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 7 hrs7 hours ago
A new #Eircode enabled version of Register of Electors has been rolled out to the 31 local authorities.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 7 hrs7 hours ago
SEAI have added #Eircode to Building Energy Rating Certificates and Advisory Reports. Approx 60% of domestic BERs have an Eircode.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 7 hrs7 hours ago
From February 2016, Electric Ireland customers receive their electricity bills with the #Eircode details applied
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 7 hrs7 hours ago
Companies Registration Office have #Eircode enabled all new forms, e.g. registration of new company, change of address, director etc.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 8 hrs8 hours ago
Motor tax online has been #Eircode enabled since 18th January.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress 8 hrs8 hours ago
After a successful pilot, HSE are now enabling #Eircode on a customer database that issues 1 million items of correspondence a year.
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#eircode usage: @welfare_ie has already issued over 877,000 Eircode enabled items of correspondence.
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Autoaddress ‏@autoaddress Feb 24
Over 60% of online passport applications include their #Eircode .

marmurr1916 · 26-02-2016 08:56PM

ukoda wrote: »

Looks interesting....not quite sure what it's for yet though

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/703254715916754944

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/703256555978936322

It's going to be useful for more than just deliveries.

Imagine you're a sales rep trying to get people to sign up to a new service and you need to visit 10 new leads spread out across north Leinster in one day.

You can use this app to work out the most efficient order in which to visit the leads based on your starting and end points (or you can group different types of leads into a 'delivery zone'), get directions from place to place using Google Maps, use the 'Done/Not Done' tab for each visit (if client visit completed or not) - or as a proxy for Signed Up/Didn't Sign Up - and you can add notes about each lead using the Notes tab.

ukoda · 26-02-2016 09:02PM

marmurr1916 wrote: »

It's going to be useful for more than just deliveries.

Imagine you're a sales rep trying to get people to sign up to a new service and you need to visit 10 new leads spread out across north Leinster in one day.

You can use this app to work out the most efficient order in which to visit the leads based on your starting and end points (or you can group different types of leads into a 'delivery zone'), get directions from place to place using Google Maps, use the 'Done/Not Done' tab for each visit (if client visit completed or not) - or as a proxy for Signed Up/Didn't Sign Up - and you can add notes about each lead using the Notes tab.

They said it was free tho, I'm not quite sure how that works. Is it 15 free look ups and then you pay I wonder

L1011 · 27-02-2016 11:46PM

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Lots of state agencies implementing Eircodes:

The electoral register - having seen it canvassing - is patchy as hell for codes though. Some estates only.

marmurr1916 · 02-03-2016 07:28PM

Some public sector bodies that have adopted Eircode usage:

https://www.autoaddress.ie/blog/autoaddressblog/2016/03/02/eircode-adoption-in-the-public-sector

1huge1 · 02-03-2016 10:22PM

Great to see.

I work for an Irish company with c.a 12,000 employees (not public sector, use your imagination :P ), a email recently issued to all staff about adding the Eircode to our signatures,templates,company addresses made the awareness of Eircodes jump massively across the company.

The next big step is google maps integration, but there seems to be no timeline for that at all which is a shame.

BoatMad · 07-03-2016 01:24PM

The next big step is google maps integration, but there seems to be no timeline for that at all which is a shame

how do you know?

plodder · 07-03-2016 02:31PM

plodder wrote: »

It's four weeks since Alex White said he expected it to be signed off "under the next few weeks". I suppose after Friday it's not going to be his problem any longer.

Six weeks now, since outgoing minister Alex White said google maps would be signed off "under the next few weeks".

BoatMad · 07-03-2016 02:39PM

plodder wrote: »

Six weeks now, since outgoing minister Alex White said google maps would be signed off "under the next few weeks".

As far As I am aware, the licensing cost issue has been resolved.

plodder · 07-03-2016 06:16PM

BoatMad wrote: »

As far As I am aware, the licensing cost issue has been resolved.

Seems to me it can't just be an issue of cost. I find it hard to see how they can give it to google, who will allow people to use it for free, without cannibalising their other license revenue (such as it is). We'll see though..

ukoda · 07-03-2016 06:18PM

plodder wrote: »

Seems to me it can't just be an issue of cost. I find it hard to see how they can give it to google, who will allow people to use it for free, without cannibalising their other license revenue (such as it is). We'll see though..

They'd do it the same way they allow unlimited web address validation a for a set cost per year id imagine.

BoatMad · 07-03-2016 09:24PM

ukoda wrote: »

They'd do it the same way they allow unlimited web address validation a for a set cost per year id imagine.

yes, it was merely the scale of the costs that Google objected to. This has been resolved to the satisfaction of all concerned ( I understand )

It actually wasn't eircode, more a licensing cost associated with Geo Directory

1huge1 · 07-03-2016 10:41PM

BoatMad wrote: »

how do you know?

I don't, just seeing that it has been almost a year since Eircode was first introduced, I was just assuming.

But as was outlined in later posts, it will hopefully be implemented soon.

MBSnr · 08-03-2016 01:51PM

^^^
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/maps/aZpANa39oPk/u7MO0YtpAgAJ

"Unfortunately, I don't have any information about this"
Says Kendra F.
Expert - Google Products

So who really knows...

ukoda · 08-03-2016 01:53PM

https://www.autoaddress.ie/blog/autoaddressblog/2016/03/08/mobile-app-preview#sthash.Z4Dbawg7.uxfs&st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/kBwwteQqy8

The delivery app from Autoaddress

marmurr1916 · 08-03-2016 04:27PM

ukoda wrote: »

https://www.autoaddress.ie/blog/autoaddressblog/2016/03/08/mobile-app-preview#sthash.Z4Dbawg7.uxfs&st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/kBwwteQqy8

The delivery app from Autoaddress

Looks very good - enables navigation from one Eircode address to another and to non-Eircode locations too.

gctest50 · 08-03-2016 04:48PM

Works offline n all

In offline-mode you can use and share all of your favourites, and send the location of a delivery to an installed Navigation App that works offline. If you try to get your location while offline we display the what3words for your current location, and the location accuracy. You can share this location by the usual method.

what will the moaners whine about now ?

it's blue and something something that's the color of Irish Water and lawful legal lawful and meters and then the Gardai and and

marmurr1916 · 10-03-2016 01:40AM

ukoda wrote: »

They said it was free tho, I'm not quite sure how that works. Is it 15 free look ups and then you pay I wonder

No idea - it says the app is free but maybe using it for more than 15 look ups per day will incur charges:

Our upcoming free mobile app will incorporate Small Area delivery grouping functionality based on the above.

https://www.autoaddress.ie/blog/autoaddressblog/2016/01/25/big-benefit-of-small-areas

plodder · 14-03-2016 01:50PM

plodder wrote: »

Six weeks now, since outgoing minister Alex White said google maps would be signed off "under the next few weeks".

Seven weeks.

ukoda · 14-03-2016 09:11PM

plodder wrote: »

Seven weeks.

Thanks for helping us count

I'll go back to the point I made earlier in the thread that this referred to a licence deal being signed and not necessarily a launch.

The point I already made is that it's unlikely they would announce a contract signing, instead they would just start working on implementing and launch it

Why do I believe this to be the case? Well let's look at the pattern:

Companies who use eircode:
Facebook - didn't announce they had signed a licence contract, just started using it
123.ie - didn't announce they had signed a licence contract, just started using it
Bonkers.ie - didn't announce they had signed a licence contract, just started using it

Under no circumstances could Google sign a licence deal and launch in the same day as they would have had no access to the data untill that day, then there's scope, design, build, test and launch. Which takes time for big companies.

plodder · 14-03-2016 09:55PM

Obviously it refers to signing a license deal rather than a launch, but signing a deal and announcing what exactly they will be doing with it would remove all the doubt. If I were thinking of licensing Eircode at the moment, I would want to know what google's plans are first.

ukoda · 14-03-2016 10:02PM

plodder wrote: »

Obviously it refers to signing a license deal rather than a launch, but signing a deal and announcing what exactly they will be doing with it would remove all the doubt. If I were thinking of licensing Eircode at the moment, I would want to know what google's plans are first.

The only way it works for Google is if it's free for their end users to look up an eircode with zero limitations, they have no way of policing it that isn't a horrendous end user experience of their product. The only way that licence contract can work is with Google paying a flat fee per year to eircode. Exactly the same way it would have to work for sat nav and all mapping companies. There's going to be no Garmin/TomTom devices telling anyone "sorry you've had your free 15 for today, try again tomorrow or swipe your credit card and pay us"

plodder · 14-03-2016 10:53PM

ukoda wrote: »

The only way it works for Google is if it's free for their end users to look up an eircode with zero limitations, they have no way of policing it that isn't a horrendous end user experience of their product. The only way that licence contract can work is with Google paying a flat fee per year to eircode. Exactly the same way it would have to work for sat nav and all mapping companies. There's going to be no Garmin/TomTom devices telling anyone "sorry you've had your free 15 for today, try again tomorrow or swipe your credit card and pay us"

So, if it's free from google, then why license it from Eircode?

ukoda · 14-03-2016 10:58PM

plodder wrote: »

So, if it's free from google, then why license it from Eircode?

Is Google going to batch append your customer records for you?

Can you throw a few hundred thousand records per day at google maps and get address matches?

Is Google going to do address validation on your website for you?

Is Google going to integrate eircode into your CRM system for you?

You're aware that you can look up a UK postcode on Google maps for free, yet the PAF operates a successful licence per transaction model the same as eircode. It's no different.

Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

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