Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

OrgasmicBaz · 01-03-2016 05:32PM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

People have this view for a few reasons;
His two losses are both from submissions

He was helpless on the ground against Mendes, asking the ref to stand them up.

He seems to avoid anyone with a wrestling/BBJ background bar Mendes.

Only seen glimpses of him on the ground vs Holloway where he was ok.

He really only has that straight left that no one can seem to avoid.

He is going up against a black belt with several finishes by submission, I'd expect him to be much worse than Diaz on the ground.

I cant see Diaz attempting a take down due to him been stubborn. I say he will try and prove a point by standing.

The Mendes match was a real eye opener, it was crazy how easy he could take McGregor down and hold him. Only for Mendes not been in shape & trying that guillotine it would of been a completely different fight

SureYWouldntYa · 01-03-2016 05:39PM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

He was helpless on the ground against Mendes, asking the ref to stand them up.

I always thought he done that to get at Mendes, as in he was asking the ref to stand it up because Mendes was doing no damage.

McGregor never looked panicked on the ground against Mendes, minus the scramble for the choke.

Ush1 · 01-03-2016 05:40PM

OrgasmicBaz wrote: »

I cant see Diaz attempting a take down due to him been stubborn. I say he will try and prove a point by standing.

The Mendes match was a real eye opener, it was crazy how easy he could take McGregor down and hold him. Only for Mendes not been in shape & trying that guillotine it would of been a completely different fight

I don't think it was that crazy considering it came out after that Conors knee was injured and he basically had no wrestling training coming up to the fight.

stephenl15 · 01-03-2016 05:47PM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

People have this view for a few reasons;
His two losses are both from submissions

He was helpless on the ground against Mendes, asking the ref to stand them up.

He seems to avoid anyone with a wrestling/BBJ background bar Mendes.

Only seen glimpses of him on the ground vs Holloway where he was ok.

He really only has that straight left that no one can seem to avoid.

He is going up against a black belt with several finishes by submission, I'd expect him to be much worse than Diaz on the ground.

I can see why people would think that but:

1. A long long time ago. Did you see is escape from Mendes sub attempt?
2. Badly injured knee. I'm of the opinion he was getting into Mendes head that he wasn't doing any damage rather than genuinely looking to stand up.
3. Brandao is a BJJ blackbelt as is Aldo. Avoided DB attempts to take him down even reversing him mid takedown to end on top and avoided sub attempts.
4. see above. Why would he take other fights to the ground when he's so adept standing. Dominated MH on the ground with torn ACL
5. Naive to say he ONLY has a straight left. And there's obviously a reason nobody can "seem" to avoid it.

OrgasmicBaz · 01-03-2016 05:51PM

I didnt hear of an injury before hand, but ill take your word for it.

My point though was that up to that Mendes was winning the fight IMO, albeit it he wasn't doing much damage but he was controlling the fight until the scramble. If Mendes had of been in shape I think it would of went the distance

slicus ricus · 01-03-2016 05:51PM

OrgasmicBaz wrote: »

The Mendes match was a real eye opener, it was crazy how easy he could take McGregor down and hold him. Only for Mendes not been in shape & trying that guillotine it would of been a completely different fight

Mendes is one of the best wrestlers in the UFC though - taking and holding people down is his bread and butter. If there was such a thing as a high level black belt in wrestling, Mendes would fall into that category. He held Conor down very well and got in some nice elbows from the top but he didn't look like finishing the fight with G&P in the first 2 rounds (that's not to say he wouldn't have if the fight went on longer). When Mendes went for the sub, Conor escaped beautifully.

I can't see Diaz taking Conor down as easily as Mendes did but equally if Diaz does manage to take him down, Conor will be in far more danger of being tapped than he was against Mendes.

Gamebred · 01-03-2016 05:52PM

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_0p8yppy3/

This is just the best what a hero.

Zero-Cool · 01-03-2016 06:01PM

Gamebred wrote: »

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_0p8yppy3/

This is just the best what a hero.

Awesome! Looked like it might turn up in an Embedded ep. Wonder how the rag TMZ got it.

OrgasmicBaz · 01-03-2016 06:01PM

Gamebred wrote: »

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_0p8yppy3/

This is just the best what a hero.

Fair play to him, what other fighter would go that length. True gentleman

Deadst4r · 01-03-2016 06:06PM

Gamebred wrote: »

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_0p8yppy3/

This is just the best what a hero.

Yasssssssssssssss, the man is a legend.

When he is hanging out of the car roaring at him :pac::pac:

Gamebred · 01-03-2016 06:07PM

And No that fanboy is not me before someone asks! :pac:

01-03-2016 06:15PM

Gene_Parmesan wrote: »

I think you're selling Frankie very short here tbh.

Edgar by all accounts walked around at 155/156 while he was the held the 155lb title. Yes, he was smaller than everyone at 155. That's where a large part of his appeal came from. The small guy that gets smashed in fights because his opponents are much bigger than him gutting it out and still having enough to come through. The smallest division in the UFC was 155lbs and he hald that title fighting much bigger guys. there was no place for the likes of Dillashaw, Cruz, Faber, Mighty Mouse etc and by rights Frankie) in the UFC while Frankie fought there and held a title there against much bigger opponents. Its a large reason that he was one of my favourite fighters to watch back then and is put further into perspective by the fact that a potential move to bantamweight is being mentioned - because he could make that weight easily.

Also, FWIW, he beat BJ Penn 3 times (Frankie's title shot against BJ, BJ's title rematch and a third unnecessary match at FW after they coached TUF) and fought Gray Maynard twice (a draw and a win - both very good fights, particularly the first). In fact, his only losses in the last 8 years came in title fights against Benson Henderson (a massive lightweight at the time who now competes at Welterweight - whom Frankie beat in their second fight IMO) and Jose Also, who you may have heard of (in a very close fight that a lot of people think Frankie won - not me).

Since that loss he has gone 5-0 against some of the best names in the division.

Also, Edgar is 34. Heavyweight champion Fabricio Werdum is 38, Lightweight champion Daniel Cormier is 36, Welterweight champion Robbie Lawler is 33 (5 months younger than Frankie) and Holly Holm is 34.

But yeah... "**** off edgar, your best is behind you!!" :rolleyes:

aldo?? who's aldo??? of course I heard of him but yes I'll bite. I said he fought penn twice because after the 2nd win, I wouldn't rate the 3rd as a fight, are you kidding?? why fight a 3rd time, how was his 2nd win even in question, penn simply was terrible, no stamina!! sure he went missing on the drink for this fight and the GSP one too, he was off the rails before Diaz sent him out home.

I agree Maynard was a great win for him, especially considering Maynard was supposed to be above welter weight walking out on the night, I'd never take that from Edgar, I have edgar up as one of the best ever, he has a great heart for cardio and a great heart in the fight, I just feel even after the Henderson fight, his one time aura was slipping. I'm not going to get into an argument with a Frankie Edgar personal statistician and I do concede to almost all your points, I just feel having watched him clock up all that mileage, YES It's my opinion, his best years are past em and the fighters coming up now can deal more with his stamina, which the heavier guys struggled with, he musta thrown and landed 10 punches for every one of maynards.

anyway, he'd be goosed fighting mcgregor at this stage, not a fact just my own personal opionion is all.

will I be getting my official edgar fan club button still?

Swashbuckler · 01-03-2016 07:14PM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

People have this view for a few reasons;
His two losses are both from submissions

He was helpless on the ground against Mendes, asking the ref to stand them up.

He seems to avoid anyone with a wrestling/BBJ background bar Mendes.

Only seen glimpses of him on the ground vs Holloway where he was ok.

He really only has that straight left that no one can seem to avoid.

He is going up against a black belt with several finishes by submission, I'd expect him to be much worse than Diaz on the ground.

How on earth can you say he has avoided anyone with Bjj or wrestling? Who exactly has he avoided?

01-03-2016 07:26PM

call me a cynic but diaz dont sound confident at all!!

"try not get my head taken off" when have you known em to say that, YES it hink he's imagining how hard conor hits before he actually gets hit, that's a stupid way to think.

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vn20kf0g/

darced · 01-03-2016 07:51PM

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T-K-O · 01-03-2016 10:11PM

darced wrote: »

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To be fair, Gunnar's skill level got him a decision loss and not a sub. No doubt, Diaz is superior on the ground but is he smart enough to at least try bring the fight there.

JoeK20 · 01-03-2016 10:16PM

For me this is just going to be a really interesting striking battle.
Probably the first time in a while that we'll see two guys fighting in their walking around weight.
Might be interesting!

newbbieb · 01-03-2016 11:17PM

rusty cole wrote: »

call me a cynic but diaz dont sound confident at all!!

"try not get my head taken off" when have you known em to say that, YES it hink he's imagining how hard conor hits before he actually gets hit, that's a stupid way to think.

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_vn20kf0g/

I agree he is not sounding confident but if anything i would almost be more worried when he is talking like this.

This is exactly the way to negate Conors trash talking and if other fighters followed his lead they would have performed better and Conor might not have had such a dominant run in the UFC.

He is choosing not to put any pressure on himself,everyone else to some degree has fired back at Conor with similiar words of how they are gonna destroy Conor,and that builds a certain amount of pressure on yourself,albeit Conor is carrying way more pressure but most can't take a fraction of the pressure Conor takes on and they wilt.

Diaz is just not entering into it and relieving any pressure of his own back so he can come in,free from pressure and perform to his optimum.I think this could be a very dangerous fight for Conor.

CurryFlavoured · 01-03-2016 11:24PM

darced wrote: »

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TBH we still don't have a great idea of his BJJ. In all of his UFC fights we've seen some nice top game vs a green Holloway and rocked Siver, and some worrying bottom game against Mendes. I'll be worried if it hits the matt vs Nate.

CurryFlavoured · 01-03-2016 11:33PM

Edgar's best days behind him...smh. He just KO'd Mendes in under a round. I actually think he's the worst matchup from 145-155.

ginoginelli · 01-03-2016 11:47PM

newbbieb wrote: »

I agree he is not sounding confident but if anything i would almost be more worried when he is talking like this.

This is exactly the way to negate Conors trash talking and if other fighters followed his lead they would have performed better and Conor might not have had such a dominant run in the UFC.

He is choosing not to put any pressure on himself,everyone else to some degree has fired back at Conor with similiar words of how they are gonna destroy Conor,and that builds a certain amount of pressure on yourself,albeit Conor is carrying way more pressure but most can't take a fraction of the pressure Conor takes on and they wilt.

Diaz is just not entering into it and relieving any pressure of his own back so he can come in,free from pressure and perform to his optimum.I think this could be a very dangerous fight for Conor.

Great point.

Mellor · 02-03-2016 01:18AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Wut?

Of course it will have an effect whether he wins or loses, he wins he becomes the guy who stopped the runaway train that is McGregor, he gets talked about for title shots, he gets a much stronger hand in the next contract negotiation.

He loses, he becomes just another number and his big payday is a one off.

If this was the last fight on his contract, and he was sitting down to renegotiate for a LW title run , a win would be somethng he can leverage.
But hat's not the case. Nate signed an 8 fight contract. Assuming this one is a separate renegotiation for $200k+ (no win bonus) fight. He still has 3 fights before he gets to that table.

If he beats Conor, he'll be fighting Alvarez , Khabib, Pettis or Ferguson next. Maybe two of them, maybe RDA for the title. If he loses, the McGregor win is worth less. If he keeps winning he'll be LW champ and has all the spoils that go with it.

At best the McGregor win gets him 10-20k extra per fight on his next 5 fight contract, maybe. Extra money is not to be sniffed at, but he'l be making 10 times that this weekend imo.

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

People have this view for a few reasons;
His two losses are both from submissions

He was helpless on the ground against Mendes, asking the ref to stand them up.

He seems to avoid anyone with a wrestling/BBJ background bar Mendes.

Only seen glimpses of him on the ground vs Holloway where he was ok.

He really only has that straight left that no one can seem to avoid.

He is going up against a black belt with several finishes by submission, I'd expect him to be much worse than Diaz on the ground.

The sub losses are irrelevant at this point. It's crazy that they still get brought up. But avoided guys with a BJJ background? Are you serious??

"Brandao is a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt who has displayed his submission skills. He will test McGregor's submission defense more than anyone to date"

"Poirier is a brown belt in BJJ and a top 10 fighter. He is just all-around better on the ground"

"Aldo has a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu and regularly competed in high-level tournaments prior to MMA (win over Cobrinha). He holds a big advantage over McGregor and will be keen to take McGregor down as much as possible."

(all actual breakdown quotes)

A BJJ advantage is literally the "key" that every opponent since Holloway has had to beating him. Even Siver was tipped as a "35 year old purple belt" could submit him - I left that one out to sheer ridiculousness of it.

ceecee14 · 02-03-2016 01:56AM

Left upercut rather than the Celtic Cross is his prediction, I presume this is because Nate is southpaw. I've a feeling Conor will fight this one moving backwards

ceecee14 · 02-03-2016 01:57AM

https://youtu.be/wG5rh9KV3vs

newbbieb · 02-03-2016 01:58AM

Mellor wrote: »

If this was the last fight on his contract, and he was sitting down to renegotiate for a LW title run , a win would be somethng he can leverage.
But hat's not the case. Nate signed an 8 fight contract. Assuming this one is a separate renegotiation for $200k+ (no win bonus) fight. He still has 3 fights before he gets to that table.

Think part of the negotiations for this fight added a couple extra fights onto Nates deal.

Lukker- · 02-03-2016 02:02AM

Is Nate not getting 500k and 100k win bonus? I've seen reports he's getting a small slice of the PPV too, nothing close to Conor though.

Lukker- · 02-03-2016 02:04AM

newbbieb wrote: »

Think part of the negotiations for this fight added a couple extra fights onto Nates deal.

If they did add another few fights to his deal I'd assume he'll be on better money then he was for the remaining fights.

ceecee14 · 02-03-2016 02:04AM

Lukker- wrote:

Is Nate not getting 500k and 100k win bonus? I've seen reports he's getting a small slice of the PPV too, nothing close to Conor though.

Didn't Conor ask him how does it feel to finally be a millionaire

Mellor · 02-03-2016 02:10AM

I wouldn't be surprised. It's a huge payday for him.

Mellor · 02-03-2016 02:17AM

Lukker- wrote: »

Is Nate not getting 500k and 100k win bonus? I've seen reports he's getting a small slice of the PPV too, nothing close to Conor though.

Maybe, I was just pulling a number out. I hadn't looked at specifics of the fight money. My point was that showing up is the huge payout here.

Lukker- wrote: »

If they did add another few fights to his deal I'd assume he'll be on better money then he was for the remaining fights.

Probably, that's my point. He's future earnings, and earnings in this fight are set for the most part. The winning the fight isn't the huge financial opportunity, stepping up on short notice was.

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