Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

Tazzimus

Gamebred wrote: »

Disagree with this completely,there wasnt a strike thrown in the maia v Nelson fight and I enjoyed it immensely as a grappling fan and martial arts fan,anybody who didnt should go watch kickboxing or muay thai imo.

It was an amazing fight, poor Gunni. Did well to hold out though.

Massive respect at the end as well.

I have to admit I wasn't a fan of the ground game in MMA when I started watching it but since I've started BJJ my opinion has changed completely, that **** is hard.

Gamebred

Tazzimus wrote: »

It was an amazing fight, poor Gunni. Did well to hold out though.

Massive respect at the end as well.

I have to admit I wasn't a fan of the ground game in MMA when I started watching it but since I've started BJJ my opinion has changed completely, that **** is hard.

Yeah jiu jitsu is just never ending encyclopedia that you will never get to the bottom of,even when you start to train it took me 6 months to even half ''get it'' very hard to explain but it just clicks,


In mma I think bjj guys who go through the gears like Maia,Jacare Brian Ortega wilson reis even are great to watch,doesnt stall just working to progress to the next level closer to finding the sub.

cletus

cletus wrote: »

Cant understand this mentality. You actively dislike a fundamental aspect of the sport?

Did you watch Maia's last outing against Gunnar. It was a thing of beauty. How anybody who professes to be a fan of mma can say they didnt enjoy it is beyond me

read the full post, I'm not a huge fan of 15 minutes grappling or wrestling.
Yes I watched Maia V gunnar and also watched Gunner v Thatch, guess which I preferred. a less palatable appetite for all things floor based does not a fanboy make me!!! so you cannot have a style preference as to which type of fight you prefer, standing or rolling?? eh OK chief!

Tazzimus

Gamebred wrote: »

Yeah jiu jitsu is just never ending encyclopedia that you will never get to the bottom of,even when you start to train it took me 6 months to even half ''get it'' very hard to explain but it just clicks,


In mma I think bjj guys who go through the gears like Maia,Jacare Brian Ortega wilson reis even are great to watch,doesnt stall just working to progress to the next level closer to finding the sub.

I'm doing it about 8 months now and only last week managed to get the head and arm choke right consistently, it's a very slow grind for the most part, always new ways to do something popping up.

I agree, they're quite exciting to watch, it's like a chess game as opposed to the lay and pray fighters which is what most people probably picture when they think of ground game.

Foxtrol

Mellor wrote: »

I'm not putting total faith in anything he says tbh. There's a lot of contradictions as you point out. But I put more weight in comments he's made this weekcompared to a 6 year old article.

He also made comments this week that he had started the process of bulking up to fight again at WW. I would put far less faith in what a fighter says in the week of a fight, there’s so much reason for them to lie (hide injury/hide a bad camp/hide being in bad or good shape).

Historical weight divisions aren't relevant. Diaz last fought at WW 5 years ago. That's a long time, so much so that it would be no different right now if those 4 fights never happened and he spent his whole career at LW.

I disagree, it shows the difference in body type. One has shown that he doesn’t look small at WW and struggled to make LW despite a full camp, while the other recently made 145. It’s relevant because it shows it’s not as simple as ‘they’re two LWs’, there’s a significant body difference.

I'm not saying that making it a 170 fight didn't take balls from Conor. He did, he is giving up an edge and most fighters would have squeezed out every little bit in their favour. Even if just to tire the opponent out making weight.
But the fact he's doing that doesn't mean this is truely a WW fight. It's stupid the way people are going on like it is imo.

It’s as stupid to try to say that they’re just two LWs. Diaz will be far bigger than Conor and saying they’re just two LWs ignores that fact.

Again, I’ve no problem with you disagreeing with people calling this a true WW fight, my issue is with you trying to portray that when fighting at 170 they’re just two LWs.

cletus

rusty cole wrote: »

read the full post, I'm not a huge fan of 15 minutes grappling or wrestling.
Yes I watched Maia V gunnar and also watched Gunner v Thatch, guess which I preferred. a less palatable appetite for all things floor based does not a fanboy make me!!! so you cannot have a style preference as to which type of fight you prefer, standing or rolling?? eh OK chief!

Here's the full text of the post I responded to

"I'm going from being annoyed to not being annoyed but isn't this the idea, we don't know how we feel and we wont until the fight is over, great stuff.

he's not the sharpest pin in the sewing box but you always get the sense when you buy a ticket to see him fight, Diaz comes to fight, no boring wrestling or demian maia !!"

The rest of the post has no bearing on the original quote in my post, namely that a fighter has come to fight if they are going to, I presume 'stand and bang', and that 'boring wrestling and Damian Maia' are, therefore, not really fighting.


I realise that you posted subsequently attempting to clarify your position, but it doesn't really, at lest not to me.

I tend to judge a fight on its merits, so a 15 grapplefest could be hugely exciting, or 15 mins of standup could be deathly boring.

But as a fan of mma, I have no preference for where the fight should take place, I find all aspects of the sport fascinating, even clinch battles on the fence

Lukker-

It's a pointless argument. Some people prefer to watch people grapple, some people prefer standup. The sport is ecclectic so you'll have fans of loads of different styles, just because someone doesn't like one aspect, it shouldn't be a stick to beat them with.

Lukker-

Lukker- wrote: »

It's a pointless argument. Some people prefer to watch people grapple, some people prefer standup. The sport is ecclectic so you'll have fans of loads of different styles, just because someone doesn't like one aspect, it shouldn't be a stick to beat them with.

thank you, well said.:D

martyos121

Lukker- wrote: »

It's a pointless argument. Some people prefer to watch people grapple, some people prefer standup. The sport is ecclectic so you'll have fans of loads of different styles, just because someone doesn't like one aspect, it shouldn't be a stick to beat them with.

I find stick-beating boring, much prefer a good chainsaw fight. Each to their own though.







:pac:

stephenl15

Chances of this presser starting at 9??:D

Gamebred

If Conor lands his left hand on Robbie at 170 this is how he will react :pac:

Tigger

Gamebred wrote: »

If Conor lands his left hand on Robbie at 170 this is how he will react :pac:

reverse angle

CurryFlavoured

"If Conor wants the WW fight, he'll fight Lawler, it's hard to deny him", FFS Dana. What a joke organisation, no way he should fight Lawler after coming from 145. Wait for RDA to come back.

Mellor

Foxtrol wrote: »

He also made comments this week that he had started the process of bulking up to fight again at WW. I would put far less faith in what a fighter says in the week of a fight, there’s so much reason for them to lie (hide injury/hide a bad camp/hide being in bad or good shape).

He made comments about moving back to WW this week...But you just said you put no faith in fight week comments

I disagree, it shows the difference in body type. One has shown that he doesn’t look small at WW and struggled to make LW despite a full camp, while the other recently made 145.

You are using their current size to make your point about history. If anything it backs up that I said.

If Nate is bigger from fighting at WW, and Conor is smaller from fighting at FW. It's the fact that he is actually bigger that is relevant right now. It's not the history that gives him the benefit, but the actual size difference this weekend

If they were an identical size there would be no size advantage. If Conor was bigger then he'd have the advantage despite Nate fighting at WW. Therefore, it the actual size not the divisions on a record that matters.

It’s as stupid to try to say that they’re just two LWs. Diaz will be far bigger than Conor and saying they’re just two LWs ignores that fact.

Again, I’ve no problem with you disagreeing with people calling this a true WW fight, my issue is with you trying to portray that when fighting at 170 they’re just two LWs.

How does calling this two lightwights ignore the size difference? I never said they are the same size, only same division. People in the same division have size differences the time. Conor was bigger than all of his UFC opponents. Doesn't mean he wasn't they weren't FW matches.
RDA would have been bigger than Conor in this one, but it was still a lightweight fight.

It's obvious that Conor bigger than he was at FW. And you agree that both of them are smaller than welterweights.
What possible logical label could we stick on two fighters between the FW and WW divisions. Nothing but LW fits for me.

How about, instead of two LWs, would you rather I called it "a LW fighting a bigger LW, with no weight cuts". Can't get more accurate then that

Foxtrol

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

"If Conor wants the WW fight, he'll fight Lawler, it's hard to deny him", FFS Dana. What a joke organisation, no way he should fight Lawler after coming from 145. Wait for RDA to come back.

He’s not wrong, at this stage with what he's done it is hard to deny him.

I think it’s a bad move for Conor, he’d have a chance against Lawler but would be eaten alive by a lot of the WW.

Lawler is the much bigger fight though and with it being UFC 200 they may go for it.

Gamebred

Can one of the mods please make a note to stop this rubbish talk of ''He doesnt deserve this shot blah blah blah''


The ufc/zuffa are an entertainment company you dont get what you deserve you get what makes sense!! for the 100th time $$$$

CurryFlavoured

Foxtrol wrote: »

He’s not wrong, at this stage with what he's done it is hard to deny him.

I think it’s a bad move for Conor, he’d have a chance against Lawler but would be eaten alive by a lot of the WW.

Lawler is the much bigger fight though and with it being UFC 200 they may go for it.

Financially it's hard to deny him, but this is a sport and it makes no sense to jump from 145 title to 170 title fight. It would be ridiculous. If it's 100% about finances then let's have Brad Pitt fight Susan Boyle, that would make great numbers.

Gamebred

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Financially it's hard to deny him, but this is a sport and it makes no sense to jump from 145 title to 170 title fight. It would be ridiculous. If it's 100% about finances then let's have Brad Pitt fight Susan Boyle, that would make great numbers.

Poor analogy,it is all about the money to Dana and the Ferttita,you think cm punk is deserving of a shot in the ufc? is he **** hes getting it because the ppv money will be crazy.

El Guapo!

Tigger wrote: »

reverse angle

But what if Lawler lands on McGregor. ...

CurryFlavoured

Gamebred wrote: »

Poor analogy,it is all about the money to Dana and the Ferttita,you think cm punk is deserving of a shot in the ufc? is he **** hes getting it because the ppv money will be crazy.

So you agree? It's all about money, which is wrong just like the CM Punk circus.

Foxtrol

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Financially it's hard to deny him, but this is a sport and it makes no sense to jump from 145 title to 170 title fight. It would be ridiculous. If it's 100% about finances then let's have Brad Pitt fight Susan Boyle, that would make great numbers.

It’s both sport and entertainment, so what the fans want to see (and pay for) is important.

They’re not throwing CM Punk in for a title, they’re potentially putting one of the top pound for pound fighters in the world in for a shot at a title shot at a weighclass that he walks around at.

If you call UFC a joke of an organization I wouldn’t want to think of how you view the competition out there.

CurryFlavoured

Foxtrol wrote: »

It’s both sport and entertainment, so what the fans want to see (and pay for) is important.

They’re not throwing CM Punk in for a title, they’re potentially putting one of the top pound for pound fighters in the world in for a shot at a title shot at a weighclass that he walks around at.

If you call UFC a joke of an organization I wouldn’t want to think of how you view the competition out there.

And you need to find a balance between sport and entertainment. The CM Punk situation is a joke, end of. Pushing Conor up 25 lbs to fight at a weight class he's never fought at (Diaz fight is a glorified LW fight) isn't as ridiculous, but it shouldn't happen, he should fight RDA. Saying he walks around at 170 is irrelevant when most 170 guys walk around at 190-200, we all know that weight classes are just for weigh in day.

newbbieb

Mellor wrote: »

It's obvious that Conor bigger than he was at FW. And you agree that both of them are smaller than welterweights.
What possible logical label could we stick on two fighters between the FW and WW divisions. Nothing but LW fits for me.

How about, instead of two LWs, would you rather I called it "a LW fighting a bigger LW, with no weight cuts". Can't get more accurate then that

I think what you are not getting is that if the fight was at 55 they both would be cutting down to 55 Conor from 170ish diaz from 190ish,but from the weigh in the day before to the fight there is only so much weight they can pack back on in one day and so come fight night they will still be reasonably close in weight.This same logic applies to most fights in the UFC thats one of the reasons you have to be cutting weight to compete,but there will be some disparity in weights but nothing crazy.

But with the fight being at 170 where Conor is cutting nothing and its his walk around weight means that on fight there he could be outweighed by over a stone.

Gamebred

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

So you agree? It's all about money, which is wrong just like the CM Punk circus.

Of course the mcgregor lawler fight is all about money,its not some miss match though so I dont see why you have a problem with it he has earned the right to fight in what division he wants by ko'ing people I remember the arguement was he doesnt deserve the Aldo fight off beating Siver,them boys arguing are quiet now,


He is really a 155er imo (ideal weight) so you could argue hes only moving up 1 weight class.

agent graves

Tazzimus wrote:

I'm doing it about 8 months now and only last week managed to get the head and arm choke right consistently, it's a very slow grind for the most part, always new ways to do something popping up.

I would like to try bjj but what are the chances of getting cauliflower ear..

Gamebred

agent graves wrote: »

I would like to try bjj but what are the chances of getting cauliflower ear..

Fair chance if you train often,if you dont want it you can get a head strap to prevent it,take my advice and give it a try most clubs have free trials too it will be completely different of what your expecting it the warm ups alone are unreal its like gymnastics you will get fit and flexible at the same time of learning the art.

Zero-Cool

agent graves wrote: »

I would like to try bjj but what are the chances of getting cauliflower ear..

I'm doing it 2 months now and it's the best thing I've ever done. DO IT!

markc91

No mention on here of the press conference tonight and the face off??

Axwell

markc91 wrote: »

No mention on here of the press conference tonight and the face off??

It's in the event thread..

Swashbuckler

newbbieb wrote: »

I think what you are not getting is that if the fight was at 55 they both would be cutting down to 55 Conor from 170ish diaz from 190ish,but from the weigh in the day before to the fight there is only so much weight they can pack back on in one day and so come fight night they will still be reasonably close in weight.This same logic applies to most fights in the UFC thats one of the reasons you have to be cutting weight to compete,but there will be some disparity in weights but nothing crazy.

But with the fight being at 170 where Conor is cutting nothing and its his walk around weight means that on fight there he could be outweighed by over a stone.

Just curious, why do you think Diaz weighs 190lbs? That sounds crazy heavy for a LW fighter. My guess would be there's no more than approx 5lbs between them to be honest. I don't think the weight difference is anywhere close to 20lbs.