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Newstalk - Breakfast Show

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Red King


    jooksavage wrote: »
    You referring to the interview with that Longford FF councillor Seamus Butler this morning?

    No, just in general. Can't stand him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭PeterTheEighth


    jooksavage wrote: »
    You referring to the interview with that Longford FF councillor Seamus Butler this morning?

    I think Seamus Butler is complete right. It's not legal to discriminate against you because of sex ... Oh, except if you're a man. This is the sort of thing that Newstalk should be coming out against, if they were really about fighting for equal rights for all (as they would purport to), and not just about being politically correct and popular.

    I like Chris and Ivan generally, but Chris' pious, populist, self righteousness really makes me want to turn off at times. He is never prepared to indulge the opinions of people who dont subscribe to the Newstalk view of the world.


  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭muggles


    jooksavage wrote: »
    You referring to the interview with that Longford FF councillor Seamus Butler this morning?

    I quite like the balance between Chris and Ivan. Makes for good, contrasting views at opposite ends of scale. This interview however bugged me to hell. :mad: I wanted to hear what Seamus Butler had to say, it was far more interesting than some random reporter from head office relaying their version. But no, Chris continued to interrupt and reign in the interview for fear of Connie what-her-names reputation might be in any way blemished or she might not have the opportunity to defend herself. :rolleyes: I don't think Seamus Butler was coming anywhere near defamation territory and Newstalk could always invite Connie on after and offer her a right of reply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭PeterTheEighth


    You have to laugh at Newstalk. They are not even discrete any more.

    The NT reporter described the opinions of the people from Dungarvan, who were skeptical about the arrival of refugees in their town, as being disappointing. Before then labelling them as confused. In future, can ye just play the comments on the voxpops without interpreting the comments for us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭PeterTheEighth


    it was also funny to hear Senator Ivana Bacik. When speaking about the 8th amendment she said:

    "I'm nearly 50 years old and I've never had the opportunity to vote on it."

    I texted in "Well now you should understand how we all feel about you, Senator".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    it was also funny to hear Senator Ivana Bacik. When speaking about the 8th amendment she said:

    "I'm nearly 50 years old and I've never had the opportunity to vote on it."

    I texted in "Well now you should understand how we all feel about you, Senator".
    We did in the last GE, despite being parachuted into an open goal seat, she still managed to cock it up.

    Bacik has always struck me as someone who unashamedly portrays herself as superior to the electorate, not a good vibe to be giving off in Irish politics...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    You have to laugh at Newstalk. They are not even discrete any more.

    The NT reporter described the opinions of the people from Dungarvan, who were skeptical about the arrival of refugees in their town, as being disappointing. Before then labelling them as confused. In future, can ye just play the comments on the voxpops without interpreting the comments for us.

    I'd need to relisten to it, but I'm pretty sure she was saying it was disappointing that government representatives hadn't come forward to allay the fears expressed in the voxpop, that is "It's disappointing that they still believe some of this stuff and it hasn't been cleared up for them."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭McDave


    Elocution lessons for newsreader Michele McMullen, please.

    'Choppelizod?'

    'Motches?'

    'Twolve?'

    Please stop this gratuitous butchering of pronunciation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    McDave wrote: »
    Elocution lessons for newsreader Michele McMullen, please.

    'Choppelizod?'

    'Motches?'

    'Twolve?'

    Please stop this gratuitous butchering of pronunciation.

    What do you expect from the Denis O'Brien stable of broadcasting where the likes of Matt Cooper have being butchering the English language for years?


  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭newcavanman


    I used to always listen to this show, but now, once ive heard the headlines, either there or Radio 1 im easy . i couldnt handle Nora Casey , so i thought when Yates came on board it would be brilliant. however, he has just fallen in with the usual PC views that populate the media . These people dont talk for ordinary eople, these preach to them. They know whats best for us . Why cant they understand, most people want strong law and order, sensible spending of OUR tax money , help for those who ned it, as opposed to those who shout for it , and of course worst of all, we can deal with small numbers of foreigners who integrate with us, and live by our general views and values . Most people do not want large group of people coming here who seem determined to bring their own culture with them . Dont mean to go on a rant, buit im so fed up with the almost complete whitewash by the media. the only voice of reason seesm to be Hookie. I know he isnt everyones cup of tea, but in the course of my work i deal with many people each day, and he seems to express views that a lot of people have become afraid to openly voice


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭Horse84


    I used to always listen to this show, but now, once ive heard the headlines, either there or Radio 1 im easy . i couldnt handle Nora Casey , so i thought when Yates came on board it would be brilliant. however, he has just fallen in with the usual PC views that populate the media . These people dont talk for ordinary eople, these preach to them. They know whats best for us . Why cant they understand, most people want strong law and order, sensible spending of OUR tax money , help for those who ned it, as opposed to those who shout for it , and of course worst of all, we can deal with small numbers of foreigners who integrate with us, and live by our general views and values . Most people do not want large group of people coming here who seem determined to bring their own culture with them . Dont mean to go on a rant, buit im so fed up with the almost complete whitewash by the media. the only voice of reason seesm to be Hookie. I know he isnt everyones cup of tea, but in the course of my work i deal with many people each day, and he seems to express views that a lot of people have become afraid to openly voice

    Well said!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    McDave wrote: »
    Elocution lessons for newsreader Michele McMullen, please.

    Wonder is she anything to Moichael, if so the girl can't help it I'm afraid...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭McDave


    Wonder is she anything to Moichael, if so the girl can't help it I'm afraid...

    Gotta be.

    Blame the porents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭PeterTheEighth


    What exactly does this prove, Chris can't hold his drink? Doesnt really work on the radio.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭buckfasterer


    What exactly does this prove, Chris can't hold his drink? Doesnt really work on the radio.

    Exactly. Doesn't tell us how competent a driver he is to begin with either. Don't get me wrong, I understand the point of this exercise. I just don't like the pontificating that goes along with it from all sides. You could tell Ivan really wanted to argue the point but was probably reeled in a bit.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    they could not have sent in a worse candidate, you could've given him two pints of water and it would've thrown out the same results. you can be sure he did as much as possible to manipulate poorer reaction times. they should've had Ivan do it, at least you would've known the results would be genuine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    was very funny this morning when Ivan said it was his anniversary on Monday, 30th, pearl anniversary.
    Chris asked him if he was getting some pearl earrings or a pearl necklace for his wife, then kinda sniggered. Ivan never noticed it.

    childish, but sometimes things like that just have to be laughed at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,035 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    was very funny this morning when Ivan said it was his anniversary on Monday, 30th, pearl anniversary.
    Chris asked him if he was getting some pearl earrings or a pearl necklace for his wife, then kinda sniggered. Ivan never noticed it.

    childish, but sometimes things like that just have to be laughed at.

    I'd never heard that bit of slang until I googled it just there...

    God, Chris is more street than me!:eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,844 ✭✭✭✭somesoldiers


    Ivan's show on tv3 is on new. Going round pubs, drinking & interviewing people, how does he get these gigs?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    Ivan's show on tv3 is on new. Going round pubs, drinking & interviewing people, how does he get these gigs?

    I enjoyed it :o


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    Usually not a fan of Ivan Yates - his 'been-there-seen-it-all' schtick is pretty grating. Though I quite enjoyed his realistic predictions of a post-election scenario where FG go after deal-inclined independents like Michael Lowry. Chris, aghast at the prospect, came across as such a shrill amateur. The single most annoying cringe-inducing moment I've heard on radio recently:

    Ivan: You need to learn about politics
    Cherub-voiced Chris: You need to learn about ethics

    Ugh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    Duplicate post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    jooksavage wrote: »
    Usually not a fan of Ivan Yates - his 'been-there-seen-it-all' schtick is pretty grating. Though I quite enjoyed his realistic predictions of a post-election scenario where FG go after deal-inclined independents like Michael Lowry. Chris, aghast at the prospect, came across as such a shrill amateur. The single most annoying cringe-inducing moment I've heard on radio recently:

    Ivan: You need to learn about politics
    Cherub-voiced Chris: You need to learn about ethics

    Ugh.

    Not often I would agree with Chris but Ivan is like a typical muck savage, parish pump politician with no interest but what he personally can gain from anything. Anyway, am I the only one who is bored to death with the election already? Don't vote it only encourages them. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,583 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Not often I would agree with Chris but Ivan is a typical muck savage, parish pump politician with no interest but what he personally can gain from anything. Anyway, am I the only one who is bored to death with the election already? Don't vote it only encourages them. :D

    Chris is arguing a 'should be scenario' that we will likely never see in Irish politics and politics in general.

    Ivan is arguing the reality of politics and the desire to be in, or stay in, power no matter what.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    Chris is arguing a 'should be scenario' that we will likely never see in Irish politics and politics in general.

    Ivan is arguing the reality of politics and the desire to be in, or stay in, power no matter what.

    This. Ivan wasn't saying that doing somewhat ethically dubious deals to stay in power was the "right" thing to do, he was saying that anyone who thinks they won't happen is deluded.

    Likewise, I don't think Chris genuinely believes that the deals won't happen, I think he was just trying to argue that it's not the way things "should" work. Granted, I think he made a bit of a balls of bringing that across, but nonetheless I reckon that's what they were going for.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    I find the election constituency forecast segment extremely tiresome and not in the least bit interesting.

    I wish that useless b*llocks would just call the date so we could know when it will be all over.


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭theflipdave


    Ivan's show on tv3 is on new. Going round pubs, drinking & interviewing people, how does he get these gigs?
    True, but its good


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Chris there yesterday slating Lowry for interfering in the mobile licence award process – he actually said ML interfered with John Bruton’s authority. A novel interpretation - and of course no mention of DOB in this context.

    He has completely rewritten the Moriarty Report in his own head with all references to O’Brien’s name stricken from the record.

    Such a company man.

    No self- awareness either. As in, I don’t think he even realises what an effect he has on people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Chris there yesterday slating Lowry for interfering in the mobile licence award process – he actually said ML interfered with John Bruton’s authority. A novel interpretation - and of course no mention of DOB in this context.

    He has completely rewritten the Moriarty Report in his own head with all references to O’Brien’s name stricken from the record.

    Such a company man.

    No self- awareness either. As in, I don’t think he even realises what an effect he has on people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭PeterTheEighth


    Paul Murphy telling people not to pay the water charges again. After him telling everybody not to pay the property tax, even ripping up property tax bill in the European parliament, before sellotaping it back together again and paying it. Why is he not being called on this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,822 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    After the way Colm Brophy conducted himself in that interview, I'll take Paul Murphy every day of the week, even if he is a one trick pony.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    Anyone catch the Lowry interview? Was expecting a barrage of posts here. Didn't catch it myself but heard Chris beforehand claiming he "just happened upon Lowry, and was very grateful that he obliged him for an interview"...what an absolute crock. I'm guessing he was given the royal treatment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Jadaol


    listened to a bit of the show this morning and chris was interviewing some guy who represented an anti immigration group of some sort and had a muslim guy on. I learned absolutely nothing.

    It was only a few minutes long and the questions were crap, even puerile. He just comes across as not being mature enough or professional enough to be able to ask the questions that matter in an interview. It's almost like he's a transition year student most of the time.

    As a result i still don't know what that man's group are and what exactly they are protesting against.
    Unlike chris i was prepared to hear him out rather than assuming it's some sort of racist agenda - rather than asking infantile questions, being rude and cutting him off


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    Jadaol wrote: »
    listened to a bit of the show this morning and chris was interviewing some guy who represented an anti immigration group of some sort and had a muslim guy on. I learned absolutely nothing.

    It was only a few minutes long and the questions were crap, even puerile. He just comes across as not being mature enough or professional enough to be able to ask the questions that matter in an interview. It's almost like he's a transition year student most of the time.

    As a result i still don't know what that man's group are and what exactly they are protesting against.
    Unlike chris i was prepared to hear him out rather than assuming it's some sort of racist agenda - rather than asking infantile questions, being rude and cutting him off

    You're probably talking about the interview with that pr**k from Identity Ireland. I suggest you listen back to the podcast if you REALLY need to decide if something called IDENTITY IRELAND is racist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,721 ✭✭✭✭Ol' Donie


    What the f*ck is Identity Ireland?

    Ah, don't tell me, I'll just get annoyed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    jooksavage wrote: »
    You're probably talking about the interview with that pr**k from Identity Ireland. I suggest you listen back to the podcast if you REALLY need to decide if something called IDENTITY IRELAND is racist.

    Apart from the term PC is their an 'ism' for those pr**ks who are intolerant of anybody who dares raise their head above the parapet on issues such as same sex marriage, abortion, immigration etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    I heard the interview, and I agree with both of you Jadaol and jooksavage.

    The Identity Ireland thing is a load of sh*te, and I wouldn't piss on the man if he was on fire.

    HOWEVER, if you're going to have him on, you need to at least conduct the interview with a degree of impartiality that allows the listener to make up their own mind on a subject. Probe the man's ideology and watch it crumble, as opposed to smashing into it repeatedly like a battering ram only causing him to throw up more defences.

    This is Chris' biggest failing. He can't be impartial when it's a subject he has a deep personal opinion on. It was the same during the Marriage Equality Referendum build up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    I heard the interview, and I agree with both of you Jadaol and jooksavage.

    The Identity Ireland thing is a load of sh*te, and I wouldn't piss on the man if he was on fire.

    HOWEVER, if you're going to have him on, you need to at least conduct the interview with a degree of impartiality that allows the listener to make up their own mind on a subject. Probe the man's ideology and watch it crumble, as opposed to smashing into it repeatedly like a battering ram only causing him to throw up more defences.

    This is Chris' biggest failing. He can't be impartial when it's a subject he has a deep personal opinion on. It was the same during the Marriage Equality Referendum build up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    I heard the interview, and I agree with both of you Jadaol and jooksavage.

    The Identity Ireland thing is a load of sh*te, and I wouldn't piss on the man if he was on fire.

    HOWEVER, if you're going to have him on, you need to at least conduct the interview with a degree of impartiality that allows the listener to make up their own mind on a subject. Probe the man's ideology and watch it crumble, as opposed to smashing into it repeatedly like a battering ram only causing him to throw up more defences.

    This is Chris' biggest failing. He can't be impartial when it's a subject he has a deep personal opinion on. It was the same during the Marriage Equality Referendum build up.

    That's fair enough. I've never been a fan of Chris (and have complained about him here). He's pretty bad when it comes to contentious issues and he definitely didn't give yer man the interview he deserved - a stronger host would have ripped him on apart on the basis of his dead-end politics instead of shouting him down.

    Oddly enough, I recall Marc Coleman (of all people) making a complete fool out of a similarly-minded Ireland-for-the-Irish guest a few years ago by conducting the interview in Irish (a language not familiar to same guest).

    In the overall scheme of things, if I had to pick a side, I'll have to go with the incompetent radio presenter over the populist hate-monger but the point is well made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭PeterTheEighth


    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    This is Chris' biggest failing. He can't be impartial when it's a subject he has a deep personal opinion on. It was the same during the Marriage Equality Referendum build up.

    I was gonna post pretty much the same point. When somebody comes on the program with a view that he strongly disagrees with, he's not mature enough to leave his personal opinions at the door, and carry out a balanced interview. He invariably ends up getting in a hissy fit and throwing his toys out of the pram in a tantrum.

    He will never be treated as a serious broadcaster because his interviews are not balanced. One of the traits of Gay Byrne and Pat Kenny was that you would always find it difficult to work out how they actually felt themselves on any particular subject. They deliberately kept their views secret so as not afford their critics the opportunity of accusing them of being biased.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    I was gonna post pretty much the same point. When somebody comes on the program with a view that he strongly disagrees with, he's not mature enough to leave his personal opinions at the door, and carry out a balanced interview. He invariably ends up getting in a hissy fit and throwing his toys out of the pram in a tantrum.

    He will never be treated as a serious broadcaster because his interviews are not balanced. One of the traits of Gay Byrne and Pat Kenny was that you would always find it difficult to work out how they actually felt themselves on any particular subject. They deliberately kept their views secret so as not afford their critics the opportunity of accusing them of being biased.

    A couple of years ago, the general defence for him was his age: he's so young, he'll improve with time etc. I haven't seen much in the way of improvent since though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    jooksavage wrote: »
    A couple of years ago, the general defence for him was his age: he's so young, he'll improve with time etc. I haven't seen much in the way of improvent since though.

    Thing is, by and large I think he does well with the political stuff (minus the odd cock-up here and there (see the Paul Murphy interview)). But he's generally pretty poor whenever it comes to social issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    The interview this morning was dreadful. I don't mind Chris but he was utterly unprofessional this morning. He didn't allow the Identity Ireland fella speak. The low point was when he asked how many members Identity Ireland had and yer man said 400. Later in the interview, Chris then said "Ah do you really have 400 members?". You can't doubt the fella like that on air. Either have your research done properly or accept what he's telling you (like Chris would have done if yer man was representing "All Inclusive Ireland").

    As someone else said, regardless of your opinion on the guest, if you're going to have them on, you have to give that guest a fair hearing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭Muff Richardson


    It's been mentioned time after time that Chris hasn't the maturity to remain composed during an interview about issues he feels strongly about. I may have agreed with this some time ago early on in his career but now I'm not so sure. Chris doesn't strike me as being particularly intelligent and is most definitely not competent in his role as an interviewer, I wouldn't be surprised if he himself has come to realise that he isn't all that good at it so he has weighed it up and realises his popularity is the only way to go so just going hell for leather and taking a bias aggressive stance against anything non pc that will get the text line hopping with "good on ye Chris" type shîte is the option for him as he is so limited. He does seem like a nice person, but he is utterly pathetic as a broadcast journalist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Jadaol


    It's been mentioned time after time that Chris hasn't the maturity to remain composed during an interview about issues he feels strongly about. I may have agreed with this some time ago early on in his career but now I'm not so sure. Chris doesn't strike me as being particularly intelligent and is most definitely not competent in his role as an interviewer, I wouldn't be surprised if he himself has come to realise that he isn't all that good at it so he has weighed it up and realises his popularity is the only way to go so just going hell for leather and taking a bias aggressive stance against anything non pc that will get the text line hopping with "good on ye Chris" type shîte is the option for him as he is so limited. He does seem like a nice person, but he is utterly pathetic as a broadcast journalist.

    I think without doubt there's a level of immaturity but I think you're more on the money with the intellect. I really don't think he has nor ever will have the wherewithal to ask the questions needed.

    As said earlier a more competent interviewer would pick the subject apart. He'd do well to try and be more like Pat Kenny than Vincent Brown.

    He might have felt nice and smug afterwards but here I am giving out about him rather than the other fella

    A waste of an interview


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Jadaol


    Plus what I think sets the likes of Pat Kenny apart, and people touched on this here. Is that usually his only agenda going into an interview is to find out the reasons for something.
    He might call it out as being rubbish afterwards but usually after having picked it apart first.

    Poor Chris thinks he's supposed to give his agenda first


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭foxtrot101


    Jadaol wrote: »
    Plus what I think sets the likes of Pat Kenny apart, and people touched on this here. Is that usually his only agenda going into an interview is to find out the reasons for something.
    He might call it out as being rubbish afterwards but usually after having picked it apart first.

    Poor Chris thinks he's supposed to give his agenda first

    I agree with most of what has been said about Chris over the past few posts, but in fairness to him Newstalk wants it's presenters to express opinions as a way to differentiate itself from RTE. It's just that he's not very good at it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,930 ✭✭✭PeterTheEighth


    Jadaol wrote: »
    Is that usually his only agenda going into an interview is to find out the reasons for something.

    But I think that is the key. It was almost like Pat was on one of those debating teams where you're given an argument (contrary to the guest) and you have to debate them on it. Pat's was incredibly well researched, and never let his own opinions shine through.

    I think Newstalk have let Chris away with it because his views are usually those that would be popular with their listeners but it does nothing to enhance his reputation as a credible journalist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 223 ✭✭davef1000


    Listening to the nighttime repeat and just heard Ivan ask the blind sprinter if it's nice to be recognised.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    davef1000 wrote: »
    Listening to the nighttime repeat and just heard Ivan ask the blind sprinter if it's nice to be recognised.

    Didn't hear this interview, but I'm not sure why this question would strike you as odd? Pretty standard question for athletes I would've thought.


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