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  • #4172
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    What did you early adopt in exactly? There hasn't really been any new tech out, unless I'm missing something.

    Handy step before ripping apart: Try plugging in your monitor with a DVI cable. I've had it happen that for some reason a HDMI-connected monitor won't turn on during a post. Could also try IGP as well.


  • #4173
    RoyalMarine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    Don't give up hope. strip it down and build it up piece by piece.

    Happened to me. I ended up re-seating the ram in different slots and it worked perfectly.

    All I was getting was a red warning light on the mobo. Had that sick feeling in my stomach for a good 30 minutes before starting a re-build.


  • #4174
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Just got back, stripping now.

    Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiits Skylake! The new-ish tech that's causing a lot of bother and RMAs due to shattered CPUs and DDR4 mobos that don't like DDR4. There was abnormal crunching when closing the socket - same happened with my i5-760 but many many years later I'm typing on it right now. That said, the Nehalem-era chips had a substrate that didn't shatter like a microscope slide if you so much as looked at it funny...

    Could be an issue with the RAM, not liking the latest design shortcut (most DDR4 sockets aren't hard-seated and only have a single catch on the top end of the board) but they're deep in the sockets and the modules themselves are on the specific compatibility list for the mobo in question.

    I'll just have to undo all my hard work and boot it naked and see if it POSTs.


  • #4175
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    Oh right, d'oh. I'd seen the Skylake bending stuff, didn't really read into it. Is it that bad a thing?

    Try the video input bit. I've had it happen a couple of times. Might just be that.


  • #4176
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Yes. AFAIK the high-binned parts are more rugged and are running into trouble with aftermarket coolers. Lower-binned (i.e. not K) parts... well virtually none were sold prior to Thanksgiving so the death toll is so far unannounced.

    I don't have a HDMI monitor to try :o Already tried VGA and DVI monitors on both the 380 and the IGP. Monitors switch straight to standby :o


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  • #4177
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Nothing. Just spins its fans and sits there, no matter where it is or what is plugged in :( Tested naked, remounted CPU and cooler and rebuilt, nothing. When connected the DVD drive tried to read the Win7 boot DVD but never did anything with it. No idea if the drive is even IN the boot order and no way to adjust it as I can't get into the BIOS or see what I'm doing :(

    What makes it worse is that as its a new platform with new RAM to boot I have multiple possible failures and no way to rule any of them out. I don't even know what to RMA :o


  • #4178
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Building a new machine in the new year. Is there any reason to not go DDR4?

    Is CPU crunching a common problem?


  • #4179
    Xenoronin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,307 ✭✭✭Xenoronin


    As long as you go above DDR4 2133MHz then you are in the profit zone. No reason not to go all out in the upgrade to be honest.


  • #4180
    Serephucus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭Serephucus


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Nothing. Just spins its fans and sits there, no matter where it is or what is plugged in :( Tested naked, remounted CPU and cooler and rebuilt, nothing. When connected the DVD drive tried to read the Win7 boot DVD but never did anything with it. No idea if the drive is even IN the boot order and no way to adjust it as I can't get into the BIOS or see what I'm doing :(

    What makes it worse is that as its a new platform with new RAM to boot I have multiple possible failures and no way to rule any of them out. I don't even know what to RMA :o

    Inspected CPU/socket for damage?
    Spare PSU? (almost certainly not this, but at least you might have a spare one)
    POST readout/beeps giving any idea what's going on?


  • #4181
    Redfox25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Nothing. Just spins its fans and sits there, no matter where it is or what is plugged in :( Tested naked, remounted CPU and cooler and rebuilt, nothing. When connected the DVD drive tried to read the Win7 boot DVD but never did anything with it. No idea if the drive is even IN the boot order and no way to adjust it as I can't get into the BIOS or see what I'm doing :(

    What makes it worse is that as its a new platform with new RAM to boot I have multiple possible failures and no way to rule any of them out. I don't even know what to RMA :o

    Stick up some pics. It might be something very simple your missingas your so close to the build.


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  • #4182
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Serephucus wrote: »
    Inspected CPU/socket for damage?
    Spare PSU? (almost certainly not this, but at least you might have a spare one)
    POST readout/beeps giving any idea what's going on?

    Yes, nothing obvious, no obvious curvature.
    About to pull this PC apart and switch in the GPU and PSU while trying this mainboard with the new 380 and PSU so I'll soon know if the rest of the new stuff can be declared known-good.
    None! New mobo has no LEDs at all and while there are molex terminals for a speaker I don't have a case speaker lying around to try. That's why I'm banging my head against a wall right now :o
    Redfox25 wrote: »
    Stick up some pics. It might be something very simple your missingas your so close to the build.

    Will do later, currently recovering from a morning of hospitalitis :p


  • #4183
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    I upgraded my old HD6950 to a R9 380 yesterday , Stuck it in my p67 pro3 mobo and Nothing....

    After some googling , I had to update my Bios to get my card to work , if I didn't have another GPU lying around I would have been F**d.

    Not only that , but the new bios reset my Overclock , Screwed up my IDE/AHCI settings hiding one of my HDD drives in windows & messed up my X-Fi soundcard..

    All this meaning a GPU swap took most of an afternoon.. FFS:mad:


  • #4184
    .G.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    Solitaire wrote: »
    I broke it and the one about not getting stuff from Germany because of RMA.

    I feel your pain on the Germany thing. Had the very same fear but went for it anyway and got stuck having to RMA the mobo. Shipped it on Friday.


  • #4185
    deejer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭deejer


    Im waiting for parts to arrive from China, Spain, Germany and the UK at the moment. They better all arrive before xmas. I have 2 weeks off and plan on spending a fair bit of that time building.


  • #4186
    levitronix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭levitronix


    superg wrote: »
    I feel your pain on the Germany thing. Had the very same fear but went for it anyway and got stuck having to RMA the mobo. Shipped it on Friday.

    anyone know whats the percentage of motherboard failures, seems quiet high ?


  • #4187
    .G.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    Mobo for the best part was fine but the fan headers didn't work right at all which was very strange given the rest of it worked perfect.


  • #4188
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    superg wrote: »
    Mobo for the best part was fine but the fan headers didn't work right at all which was very strange given the rest of it worked perfect.

    Wondered if that M/board is a Gigabyte?
    Something like this?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057532612


  • #4189
    Headshot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I have a curved monitor and will be having a curved TV soon lol

    This bad boy

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ue55js8500-review


  • #4190
    .G.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    Wondered if that M/board is a Gigabyte?
    Something like this?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057532612

    It was that exact mobo. On SYS fan 1 and 2 the fans wouldn't spin at all unless they were 3 pin. 4 pin would spin but only when set to full speed in BIOS which meant it was noisy as hell but also meant if you had a 4 pin fan on one header the second header stopped spinning any fans, 3 or 4 pin. There is a third header too, a 3 pin one, which didn't spin any fan at all.

    Gigabyte support said all fans should be spinning all the time regardless of whether they were 3 or 4 pin.


  • #4191
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    superg wrote: »
    It was that exact mobo. On SYS fan 1 and 2 the fans wouldn't spin at all unless they were 3 pin. 4 pin would spin but only when set to full speed in BIOS which meant it was noisy as hell but also meant if you had a 4 pin fan on one header the second header stopped spinning any fans, 3 or 4 pin. There is a third header too, a 3 pin one, which didn't spin any fan at all.

    Gigabyte support said all fans should be spinning all the time regardless of whether they were 3 or 4 pin.

    Ha! Interesting :(

    My friend reports that he uses sys_fan1 and it runs at about 400 revs (not sure what fan type) or if he alters settings in BIOS it will run at full speed.
    No control on speed.

    The difference in fan types could account for your non-running fan/s.

    I think he will probably use the PWM signal for the CPU fan to also set the speed on a sys_fan.


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  • #4192
    .G.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭.G.


    Speed control via bios worked on the two sys fan headers as long as they were 3 pin fans hooked up, there were 3 speeds and a manual option, all worked. I assume that would have been the same had I used their fan control app in windows but I never tried. The 4 pin fans were the main issue as they never ran properly and effected everything else when they did.


  • #4193
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    superg wrote: »
    Speed control via bios worked on the two sys fan headers as long as they were 3 pin fans hooked up, there were 3 speeds and a manual option, all worked. I assume that would have been the same had I used their fan control app in windows but I never tried. The 4 pin fans were the main issue as they never ran properly and effected everything else when they did.

    Thanks I'll pass on the info.
    He was trying 4 pin PWM fans in the sys_fan sockets.


  • #4194
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    This is the first time I've seen a working PC since around lunch. But at least the old rig has nearly finished reinstalling all its storage device drivers since the time earlier when the 380 deleted them all apparently.

    No, but I wish I was kidding ._.

    So.... dead CPU or mobo, DDR4 can't be verified, haven't had a chance to verify the SSD yet, and the 380 also seems fit for the bin :( GGWP Skylake... At least the new PSU seems to work :P


  • #4195
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    I could be wrong but if the motherboard was fine wouldn't you still be able to access the bios without a CPU, GPU or RAM installed.


  • #4196
    zarquon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    L wrote: »
    Thanks lads, did a quick look around and it looks like Amazon.de has the Ergotron MX for €140 delivered. Happy days :)

    Did you pick this up yet? I grabbed one from Amazon.de warehouse for €107 delivered with the 10% black friday warehouse discount. It was brand new, packaging wasn't even opened on it! They have another one in stock in the warehouse. They have one more there for €108 currently


  • #4197
    Solitaire
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,382 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    I could be wrong but if the motherboard was fine wouldn't you still be able to access the bios without a CPU, GPU or RAM installed.

    Nope, a working and at least semi-compatible CPU is (and always has been) a prerequisite for any POST attempt to take place.

    Also, most post-2010 mobos have no BIOS. They have a UEFI program, but that functions more like CHKDSK and is a base-level software layer that has to have a startup call made to run it on reboot just like CHKDSK. No bashing F2 for the win, you must have a working OS or a minor recoverable POST error to access the boot-time settings nowadays.


  • #4198
    farna_boy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭farna_boy


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Nope, a working and at least semi-compatible CPU is (and always has been) a prerequisite for any POST attempt to take place.

    Also, most post-2010 mobos have no BIOS. They have a UEFI program, but that functions more like CHKDSK and is a base-level software layer that has to have a startup call made to run it on reboot just like CHKDSK. No bashing F2 for the win, you must have a working OS or a minor recoverable POST error to access the boot-time settings nowadays.

    I don't know if it would work, but could you use a Live USB pen drive just to get you as far as the UEFI program? Linux Mint might be a good option as it seems to have good driver support straight out of the box so to speak.


  • #4199
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    Modern mobos have a BIOS failover option from UEFI boot. Try resetting the CMOS?


  • #4200
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Just saw the 600C, totally going to use that for my next build (fan of inverted ATX).


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  • #4201
    SterlingArcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    ED E wrote: »
    Just saw the 600C, totally going to use that for my next build (fan of inverted ATX).

    164. Not bad. Interesting case.


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