Flightradar24 Thread Part II

ninebeanrows · 06-12-2015 07:43PM

Tenger wrote: »

Any more posts along those lines and you'll get a ban from A&A.

Ryanair are not flying for reasons of safety. Do you have a problem with that?

Give me a break. I made a remark on what I personally would do. What a completely OTT response. I hope you enjoyed your little mod power trip

JCX BXC · 06-12-2015 07:46PM

Weathercheck wrote: »

Give me a break. I made a remark on what I personally would do. What a completely OTT response. I hope you enjoyed your little mod power trip

Maybe you would find the aviation regulations of Indonesia more to your liking?

Don't get annoyed at people not liking your completely illogical remark.

ninebeanrows · 06-12-2015 07:50PM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Maybe you would find the aviation regulations of Indonesia more to your liking?

Don't get annoyed at people not liking your completely illogical remark.

What are you even talking about? Why would you allude to Indonesian regulations?

Bizarre, I made a remark on how it was interesting how no FRs were flying. I added that to my catalogue of reasons why I dislike FR and aired that tiny personal opinion on a public forum. People need to get a grip.

JCX BXC · 06-12-2015 07:53PM

Weathercheck wrote: »

What are you even talking about? Why would you allude to Indonesian regulations?

Bizarre, I made a remark on how it was interesting how no FRs were flying. I added that to my catalogue of reasons why I dislike FR and aired that tiny personal opinion on a public forum. People need to get a grip.

So basically your annoyed that Ryanair had safety limits? Call a rose by a different name and it won't smell any different.

JCX BXC · 06-12-2015 09:03PM

Dublin switching to RWY10.

man98 · 06-12-2015 09:22PM

sharkman wrote: »

Its a special flight , Emirates Executive .

Any idea why they'd be in DUB? Charter or some sort of announcement?

duskyjoe · 06-12-2015 09:24PM

Weathercheck wrote: »

People need to get a grip.

Of what?

sharkman · 06-12-2015 09:29PM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Dublin switching to RWY10.

It was a private charter , Headed off to Andrews Airforce Base.
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/fligh...755Z/EIDW/KADW

EchoIndia · 06-12-2015 09:31PM

Weathercheck wrote: »

What are you even talking about? Why would you allude to Indonesian regulations?

Bizarre, I made a remark on how it was interesting how no FRs were flying. I added that to my catalogue of reasons why I dislike FR and aired that tiny personal opinion on a public forum. People need to get a grip.

Just to remind people, the remark was "Today is an example why I try not to fly with ryanair. At least other operators are giving it a go, ryanair aren't even trying. "

I've seen some bizarre contributions on these forums but this one, if meant seriously, ranks up there with the strangest.

Trebor176 · 06-12-2015 09:34PM

There's obviously a rescue taking place on board a vessel off the south coast of the UK.

https://www.flightradar24.com/CG104/830d70e

Alpha Romeo · 06-12-2015 10:03PM

El Al 744 on the ground in Tel Aviv waiting to depart for DUB.

4X-ELF

Irish Steve · 06-12-2015 10:13PM

Alpha Romeo wrote: »

El Al 744 on the ground in Tel Aviv waiting to depart for DUB.

4X-ELF

Looking at the area of the airport it came from, and at another one now coming along the same track, it looks like a cargo flight of some sort.

Strange, but who knows.

Definitely a cargo aircraft, and according to the FR24 tracking log, it's been in recently, and then gone to Liege from Dublin.

JCX BXC · 06-12-2015 10:14PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Looking at the area of the airport it came from, and at another one now coming along the same track, it looks like a cargo flight of some sort.

Strange, but who knows.

Yep cargo, can't help but think A 747 is a little big for an Ireland-Israel flight!

Irish Steve · 06-12-2015 10:24PM

Even more strange is that the same airframe did the same flight on the 30th Nov.

747 freighter in Dublin was common a few years ago, Singapore was a regular, but Dublin Liege, which is what it did last week, seems strange, unless it's coming here to cover for something else, as it seems to do Tel Aviv Liege pretty regularly.

EchoIndia · 06-12-2015 10:35PM

ELY841 normally operates TLV-LGG-JFK and is a cargo service. There are a number of flights scheduled between now and Christmas which see it operate TLV-DUB-LGG-JFK. Tonight's is the second such. 4X-ELF is El Al's only 747 freighter, so no surprise that it would appear two weeks in a row. As it happens, it's a former Singapore cargo aircraft.

Alpha Romeo · 06-12-2015 10:53PM

I believe this is the 2nd of 7 visits between now and Christmas.

Irish Steve · 06-12-2015 11:02PM

OK, so it it's going onward to JFK, perhaps there's a significant quantity of high value stuff from Intel or HP being shipped to the States, and doing the dog leg is easier than going out of Dublin with the Liege freight on board, or there's additional freight for Europe, and this is a more cost effective way to get it into Europe. No way that Joe Public will be told what's being shipped, and for sure there will be "significant" security around the aircraft while it's in Dublin, if experience is anything to go by.

JCX BXC · 06-12-2015 11:14PM

The Cork feed has been quiet for several days now. Disappointing. Fog with 400m VIS and RVRS of 1200m and 700m at 10pm.

Update: 10:30 It's 200m With RVR's of 700m on RWY17 and 650m on RWY35. Will be intresting to see if it worsens further and if EI3729 and EI725 land.

homerjay2005 · 07-12-2015 12:11AM

shamrock2004 wrote: »

A crass and ignorant remark. If FR were flying tonight and all the EI fleet were grounded people would be criticising FR.

from my own experience, the Boeings normally have better results in the wind, especially for landing than the airbus.

Ryanair also normally are the best equipped airline in Europe to handle disruption due to number of aircraft and bases.

it really is pathetic that people want to have a go at them over a safety issue that is outside of their control.

Jamie2k9 · 07-12-2015 12:23AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

from my own experience, the Boeings normally have better results in the wind, especially for landing than the airbus.

Ryanair also normally are the best equipped airline in Europe to handle disruption due to number of aircraft and bases.

it really is pathetic that people want to have a go at them over a safety issue that is outside of their control.

There is "handling" disruption and then there is Ryanair "handing" of it....I would not say they are good at handling it, yes getting aircraft back to base is easy but passengers not so much.

I agree I don't really see why they are been criticism, there has been times when they operated and EI couldn't recently.

JCX BXC · 07-12-2015 12:42AM

11pm TAF'S out.

Dublin
Main points decoded
Forecast 00:00 (7.)-24:00 (7.) 120 degrees (ESE) 15kts
Becoming 2am-4am 150 degrees (SSE) 12kts
Becoming 5am-8am 180 degrees (S) 15kts gusting 25kts
Becoming 9am-12pm 170 degrees (S) 22kts gusting 34kts
Becoming 9pm-12am 180 degrees (S) 14kts

Full coded
EIDW 062300Z 0700/0724 12015KT 9999 -RA BKN015 TEMPO 0700/0707 4000 -RADZ BKN008 BECMG 0702/0704 15012KT BECMG 0705/0708 18015G25KT BECMG 0709/0712 17022G34KT BECMG 0712/0715 BKN015 TEMPO 0715/0724 5000 -RA BKN010 BECMG 0721/0724 18014KT

So I expect RWY 16 to be used for a large period of the day, from some time in the morning (Probably before 9am) to late evening.
Can't see disruption to operations though as RWY16 shouldn't have much of a crosswind in those winds.

Cork
Main points decoded
Forecast 00:00 (7.)-24:00 (7.) 180 degrees (S) at 17knots gusting 28kts 0200 meter, light rain drizzle, fog. Overcast cloud 100ft
Tempo 00:00-15:00 1200m drizzle
Becoming 6am-9am 170 degrees (S) 21kts gusting 36kts
Becoming 11am-2pm 170 degrees (S) 28kts gusting 45kts
Becoming 4pm-6pm 200 degrees (SSW) 20kts gusting 35kts

Full coded
EICK 062300Z 0700/0724 18017G28KT 0200 -RADZ FG OVC001 TEMPO 0700/0715 1200 DZ BKN002 OVC004 BECMG 0706/0709 17021G36KT BECMG 0711/0714 17028G45KT 3000 BKN004 OVC008 BECMG 0716/0718 20020G35KT 9999 NSW BKN012 TEMPO 0718/0724 SHRA SCT020CB
Winds will be strong but a good direction for RWY17. Vis early on may be poor. Can't see any disruption providing the stobarts co-operate.

Shannon
Main points decoded
Forecast 00:00 (7.)-24:00 (7.) 120 degrees (ESE) 16kts gusting 26kts
Becoming 1am-4am 160 degrees (SSE) 18kts gusting 30kts
Becoming 10am-1pm 160 degrees (SSE) 25kts gusting 39kts light rain 5000m
Becoming 3pm-6pm 190 degrees (S) 18kts gusting 30kts

Full coded
EINN 062300Z 0700/0724 12016G26KT 9999 BKN010 TEMPO 0700/0705 4000 -RADZ BKN008 BECMG 0701/0704 16018G30KT BECMG 0710/0713 16025G39KT 5000 -RA BKN010 TEMPO 0710/0715 4000 BKN008 BECMG 0715/0718 19018G30KT 9999 NSW BKN020 TEMPO 0718/0724 SHRA SCT020CB

Shannon will have a fairly strong almost complete crosswind on RWY24/06 tomorrow, with some disruption to operations possible particularly around 10am-1pm, as a damp runway has usually lower crosswind limits.

Knock
Main points decoded
Forecast 00:00 (7.)-24:00 (7.) 120 degrees (ESE) 16kts gusting 27kts 4000m light rain
Tempo 12am-6am 0200m light rain drizzle broken clouds 100ft overcast clouds 200ft
Becoming 4am-6am 140 degrees (SE) 18kts gusting 28kts
Becoming 9am-11am 160 degrees (SSE) 25kts gusting 40kts
Becoming 12pm-3pm 4000m light rain
Tempo 12pm-8pm 2000m rain broken clouds 200ft
Becoming 6pm-9pm 190 degrees (S) 18kts gusting 28kts

Full coded
EIKN 062300Z 0700/0724 12016G27KT 4000 -RA BKN010 OVC018 TEMPO 0700/0706 0200 -RADZ BKN001 OVC002 BECMG 0704/0706 14018G28KT BECMG 0709/0711 16025G40KT 9999 BKN015 BECMG 0712/0715 4000 -RA TEMPO 0712/0720 2000 RA BKN002 BECMG 0718/0721 19018G28KT

Disruption is possible at Knock tomorrow. Earlier in the morning low vis and cloud is possible combined with south-southeast winds making RWY09 (NO ILS) possibly needed. In that case aircraft may not be able to land due to low vis. Later in the morning and through the day then strong SSE winds will create quite the crosswind and a wet runway will lower crosswind limits.

Irish Steve · 07-12-2015 12:45AM

To pick up on a point from a couple of messages ago, where the Boeing and Airbus were compared, a long time ago now, I did some significant research in simulators into the handling of a number of aircraft designs in cross wind conditions, and because it was research, we "pushed" the envelope, and used wind strengths, and gust strengths that were significantly greater than the "demonstrated" cross wind limits.

The outcome was "interesting", the main conclusion being that even though there are significant computers involved in the Airbus, we were able to control the Boeing family more precisely, simply because we had a longer range of travel on the control input (yoke) on Boeing, compared to the limited movement of the sidestick on the Airbus, and in extreme conditions, the precision of the control movements made a massive difference to the ability of the pilots to control the aircraft, and more importantly, to maintain the profile that was desired.

We found it was a lot harder to get accurate control with the sidestick, due to the reduced travel movement available, it was MUCH harder to get the finesse needed to provide the control inputs that were needed when working with extreme winds strengths and gust values. That may well be due to the ability to move a control yoke rapidly for significant distance, and then reduce the speed of that movement when close to target, whereas it is much harder to move quickly and precisely over shorter distances on the sidestick in the same way.

The cross wind limits for both types are similar, and it's possible to fly both to those limits, I guess that what I'm saying is that we found it easier to fly the traditional yoke aircraft with more accuracy than the Airbus in the same conditions, and yes, I'm fully expecting that there will be reactions to this, from both camps, all I can do is report the findings as we found them at the time.

Locker10a · 07-12-2015 02:14AM

Any know what happened here ? Horrific delay

Pat Dunne · 07-12-2015 02:59AM

Alpha Romeo wrote: »

El Al 744 on the ground in Tel Aviv waiting to depart for DUB.

4X-ELF

Diverted to LGG after 4 hour delay at TLV

New STA for DUB 04:10

JCX BXC · 07-12-2015 03:01AM

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Diverted to LGG after 4 hour delay at TLV

Read above, it was always planned.

Pat Dunne · 07-12-2015 03:32AM

Locker10a wrote: »

Any know what happened here ? Horrific delay

A 9 hour delay in ACE, thats pretty grim. Not exactly the most "stimulating" airport to be stuck in for that length of time. Although there is a good view of the approach to RWY 03 from the outdoor smoking area upstairs.

Fred Swanson · 07-12-2015 03:34AM

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JCX BXC · 07-12-2015 03:37AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

And smokes are cheap there.

Burgerking there isn't! €7.50ish for a kids meal!

Jamie2k9 · 07-12-2015 04:27AM

Locker10a wrote: »

Any know what happened here ? Horrific delay

Pretty certain Saturdays DUB-LPA-DUB was cancelled and it operated Sunday morning and DUB-ACE-DUB operated once it was completed. Passengers wouldn't of been kept at ACE for the time as the delay was flagged over 24 hours ago.

BarryM · 07-12-2015 08:59AM

shamrock2004 wrote: »

I love reading posts like this! Thanks for sharing. I think all people involved in the aviation business, ground crews / flight crews are fantastic to do what they do, and for me, it's never more poignant than at christmas when there is such an endeavour to get people home to see their families, considering the amount of Irish abroad. Kudos to all.

Give us a break, Lanzarote?? Doing their job, safely, as they should.

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