Cork 2016 Route news

Van.Bosch · 26-11-2015 08:55PM

roundymac wrote: »

Great news, sat and wed flights. Will be able to feed into Iberia, ideal for South America.

Twice weekly won't open up too many opportunities.

kub · 26-11-2015 09:35PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Twice weekly won't open up too many opportunities.

Might be just scouting demand

Stinicker · 26-11-2015 11:04PM

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

kub · 27-11-2015 12:13AM

Stinicker wrote: »

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

Am i right in thinking that a new route is free for the first while and charges are introduced after a while but if a competitor goes on the same route that they are charged full landing rates etc?
You are right, good point they are vultures and are no good for the long term growth of Cork with tricks like that.

lisasimpson · 27-11-2015 12:28AM

kub wrote: »

Might be just scouting demand

my thoughts exactly, there would be a good enough demand in the summer months anyways esp with all the Spanish students that come here and the number of Spanish working here. I really hope in jan the airport do a good promotional campaign (not just in cork but surrounding counties) for the new routes coming on stream... unfortunately some people just have the tenancy to check Airlingus and Ryanair website when booking trips

Van.Bosch · 27-11-2015 08:32AM

lisasimpson wrote: »

my thoughts exactly, there would be a good enough demand in the summer months anyways esp with all the Spanish students that come here and the number of Spanish working here. I really hope in jan the airport do a good promotional campaign (not just in cork but surrounding counties) for the new routes coming on stream... unfortunately some people just have the tenancy to check Airlingus and Ryanair website when booking trips

Think they may have a deal with a group of Spanish students as I saw that referenced somewhere.

Zonda999 · 27-11-2015 10:10AM

Stinicker wrote: »

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

At least Aer Lingus won't do the same with Iberia Express being a part of IAG. I think this route has decent potential without doubt much helped by the influx of Spanaish students during the summer but it strikes me as a decent route in terms of demand on the Irish side also, with any bit of marketing at all

highlydebased · 27-11-2015 01:13PM

The pressure is on US DOT to approve Norwegian's foreign carrier license. Cork flights (and others) cant happen without this

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/us-urged-to-give-nod-to-flights-from-cork-airport-by-norwegian-367300.html

MoeJay · 27-11-2015 02:57PM

This isn't actually true. Norwegian could start the route tomorrow.

They just don't want to use their existing NAS AOC. This is a fudge to allow NAI to get traffic rights into the USA.

Their flights ex LGW show there is no legal impediment to Norwegian using existing structures to operate routes. The Cork announcement, in my opinion, is being used by the corporation to achieve other goals.

JCX BXC · 27-11-2015 11:56PM

Stinicker wrote: »

So I guess with this announcement we should now expect Ryanair to launch Cork-Madrid double daily at €4.99 until Iberia pull out then Ryanair will quietly pull the route just like how they killed off WizzAir at Cork.

I doubt it, Wizz air was years ago, in recent years Ryanair haven't challenged any of these new routes, Prague, Ibiza (they didn't actually start but their cancellation was late), Newcastle, dusseldorf, Barcelona, Cardiff, Lá Rochelle, Nantes.

L1011 · 28-11-2015 12:16AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

I doubt it, Wizz air was years ago, in recent years Ryanair haven't challenged any of these new routes, Prague, Ibiza (they didn't actually start but their cancellation was late), Newcastle, dusseldorf, Barcelona, Cardiff, Lá Rochelle, Nantes.

Ryanair's attack dog tactics are against new airlines not new routes. Those routes have been added (mostly) by long established airlines at ORK.

Easyjet and Wizz attack jobs were "get off my turf" warning shots. They've tolerated Norwegian until now at DUB* and I suspect the ORK flights will be OK also unless they start multiple routes.

*bar the fact that the four carrier CPH bloodbath means everyone is cheap, which is great for my 80 quid return almost last minute holiers I'm on... EI blinked first and go in March.

JCX BXC · 28-11-2015 12:18AM

L1011 wrote: »

Ryanair's attack dog tactics are against new airlines not new routes. Those routes have been added (mostly) by long established airlines at ORK.

There's only 1 long established airline at cork other than Ryanair, that's Aer Lingus, who have only added 1 of the routes I listed above.

L1011 · 28-11-2015 10:52PM

Carnacalla wrote: »

There's only 1 long established airline at cork other than Ryanair, that's Aer Lingus, who have only added 1 of the routes I listed above.

Aer Lingus added three of them at least by my reckoning

Cityjet are a known entity for FR at DUB; not that they compete there but its not a new airline coming in on "their" turf.

JCX BXC · 28-11-2015 10:59PM

L1011 wrote: »

Aer Lingus added three of them at least by my reckoning

Cityjet are a known entity for FR at DUB; not that they compete there but its not a new airline coming in on "their" turf.

Only 1 as listed above, although maybe Newcastle can be counted if you want to argue the AL regional brand. Besides that cityjet taking up ex Ryanair routed is a dangerous game. No response? Can't see.much on Madrid either.

L1011 · 29-11-2015 12:45AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Only 1 as listed above, although maybe Newcastle can be counted if you want to argue the AL regional brand.

Dusseldort.

There's no argument about Newcastle either, its solely sold by EI.

JCX BXC · 29-11-2015 12:47AM

L1011 wrote: »

Dusseldort.

There's no argument about Newcastle either, its solely sold by EI.

But operated by stobart and all decisions made by the stobart company.

Locker10a · 29-11-2015 03:08PM

Carnacalla wrote: »

But operated by stobart and all decisions made by the stobart company.

I don't think that accurate, stobart look after the operations of the flight and aircraft most decisions such as frequency and timing would be decisions taken by Aer Lingus

LXFlyer · 29-11-2015 03:34PM

Locker10a wrote: »

I don't think that accurate, stobart look after the operations of the flight and aircraft most decisions such as frequency and timing would be decisions taken by Aer Lingus

I'm pretty sure that is not the case.

EI sell the tickets and market the service, but apart from that all of the commercial and operational decisions are down to Stobart.

Deatr · 29-11-2015 03:54PM

lxflyer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that is not the case.

EI sell the tickets and market the service, but apart from that all of the commercial and operational decisions are down to Stobart.

Ixflyer is correct.

LXFlyer · 29-11-2015 04:03PM

Deatr wrote: »

Ixflyer is correct.

Thanks! LXFlyer

Locker10a · 29-11-2015 04:28PM

lxflyer wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that is not the case.

EI sell the tickets and market the service, but apart from that all of the commercial and operational decisions are down to Stobart.

That is really surprising that EI and stobart don't coordinate on schedules, especially as one of the major drivers behind the concept of regional was to offer connecting flights ! Seems idiotic not to decide on scheduling together guess they have just been winging it for the past few years so

Deatr · 29-11-2015 04:35PM

Locker10a wrote: »

That is really surprising that EI and stobart don't coordinate on schedules, especially as one of the major drivers behind the concept of regional was to offer connecting flights ! Seems idiotic not to decide on scheduling together guess they have just been winging it for the past few years so

Of course they would coordinate on schedules given that Stobart feed into the mainline schedules so it's not so much as winging it but Stobart do come up with their own schedules.

LXFlyer · 29-11-2015 05:56PM

Locker10a wrote: »

That is really surprising that EI and stobart don't coordinate on schedules, especially as one of the major drivers behind the concept of regional was to offer connecting flights ! Seems idiotic not to decide on scheduling together guess they have just been winging it for the past few years so

As above - Stobart come up with schedules themselves but clearly do so in conjunction with EI to feed the transatlantic business where possible.

The point is though that they take all of the risks, and operate independently of EI.

EI do not make the decisions as you suggested earlier.

Van.Bosch · 29-11-2015 06:31PM

lxflyer wrote: »

As above - Stobart come up with schedules themselves but clearly do so in conjunction with EI to feed the transatlantic business where possible.

The point is though that they take all of the risks, and operate independently of EI.

EI do not make the decisions as you suggested earlier.

Would EI suggest routes to them?

LXFlyer · 29-11-2015 07:14PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Would EI suggest routes to them?

They might - I'd imagine there was some discussions like that in the case of the Dublin-Birmingham and Dublin-Manchester routes where Stobart offer additional off-peak capacity over the existing EI mainline services.

But ultimately it's a Stobart decision as they take all of the risk.

JCX BXC · 01-12-2015 01:24AM

Any ideas as to when ORK-MAD will be bookable?

highlydebased · 01-12-2015 01:26AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Any ideas as to when ORK-MAD will be bookable?

It is bookable now

JCX BXC · 01-12-2015 01:26AM

highlydebased wrote: »

It is bookable now

Hmm, I'll try the old cookies and cache refresh so.

JCX BXC · 01-12-2015 01:32AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Hmm, I'll try the old cookies and cache refresh so.

Cork still not as an option, is it on the Iberia website?

highlydebased · 01-12-2015 01:47AM

Carnacalla wrote: »

Cork still not as an option, is it on the Iberia website?

Iberia express site.

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