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DCM 2015 Graduates: Chapter Next!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    denis b wrote: »
    Made it through the week as well finishing with the longest 75 minute run ever. Ran it easy... Mrs. Mc has me wondering about my own pace as well as I was also kind of working off my marathon easy/recovery times as well. Will re-assess off 5/10km times. Is that about right Myles?

    HBS....that was a tough week... and the running was on top of that . Fair play.

    That is spot on and is actually part of the plan for next week


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Right Folks

    Week one done and dusted. A few minor niggles by the sounds of things but hopefully most of you came through in one piece and were not completely turned off the plan.

    This week is gonna be a race week so you will be lacing up your flats and taking to the streets. We want you to to have a 5k effort that you can see where you are at and establish base training paces. These won't be set in stone especially as the wind, going off too hard or a number of factors can influence this but it will just be a way of seeing whether current training paces are in line or need to be adjusted.

    Week 2|
    Monday|OFF
    Tuesday| 45 minutes easy
    Wednesday| 30 minutes easy + 6*100m strides
    Thursday| OFF
    Friday| 15 minutes recovery
    Saturday| Race
    Sunday| 30 minutes very easy
    .
    With the strides this is not a workout or a sprint. The aim with these is to speed up to around race pace it should not feel hard at all. Also the distance does no have to be exact simply 15-20 seconds approx with a nice long walk back recovery (2-3 minutes) this is just to get the legs ticking over a little bit

    With the recovery on Friday this is to be pain stakingly slow (i.e nearly feel like you would be moving faster if you just started walking) This is just to get a bit of increased blood flow into the legs to help freshen them up before race day.

    Sunday's run is also as slow as needed. Err on the side of caution after. Running the day after a race is not a high injury risk at all but running too fast the day after a race is so be sensible

    Target Races

    This has already been brought up by some so it is time to start getting it official. We are going to be aiming for 5m-10k around the end of January-first two weeks of Febuary.

    The training will be designed around getting you guys into the best possible shape between now and them for these distances (and making sure we come through Christmas in tact :D

    I have had a look around at races in order to make sure that there are options around the country for this time and will list them and let the people make an executive decision on which race is the most suitable as being the official target race

    Location|Date|Race
    Galway|17th Feb|Tuam 8k
    Dublin|31-Jan|Raheny 5 mile
    Carlow|31-Jan| Charlie Curran 10k
    Kildare|6-Feb| Rathcoffey 10k
    Wexford|14th| Enniscorthy 10k

    Ultimately only one of these will be the target race however hopefully it gives people options no matter where in the country they are


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭Peter D61



    Week 2|
    Monday|OFF
    Tuesday| 45 minutes easy
    Wednesday| 30 minutes easy + 6*100m strides
    Thursday| OFF
    Friday| 15 minutes recovery
    Saturday| Race
    Sunday| 30 minutes very easy
    .

    Hi Myles, I am doing the aware 10k on 12th Dec instead of jingle bells, what should I do differently next week?
    Thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Peter D61 wrote: »
    Hi Myles, I am doing the aware 10k on 12th Dec instead of jingle bells, what should I do differently next week?
    Thanks

    Give your niggles, keep pace easy, avoid hills and foam roll this lad

    https://breddydotorg.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/tensor-fascia-latae-tfl-muscle.jpg?w=594


    No more than 40 minutes any one day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭JacEim


    I was out on Sat night with friends so did my weekend runs on Fri / Sat.

    Fri 45 mins was nice and easy (no problems there)...

    On Saturday I had to drop my son to a birthday party and as it was 20 mins drive to the activity centre I decided it would be better to stay there and run, rather than coming back and then going to collect him. So, recognising the crappy weather I put on the compression tights for the first time this winter and was all dressed up dropping the little man over. (Mrs made me wear shorts over the tights - "You can't be wearing those things in front of all the other mothers", even dropping in the additional "not that there is whole lot on display"!!!). Question - what is the right dress code for tights for men - shorts / no shorts?? I prefer 'au natural'...

    Have to own up to a 'slight divergence' to the plan on Saturday. It was really windy but was interested in seeing how the body felt. Was fed up with all the treadmill running and was delighted to be out on the road. Felt fast in my tights and my super cool new Asics bright yellow wind cheater which I got for €40!! (Mrs found 3 vouchers for The Edge totalling €220 when doing a pre xmas clean... so she said I don't need an xmas present now!!)
    Route was pretty hilly but felt pretty good. Was pushing it along pretty well and after about 3 miles I said I would try to push to the 6M point and see how I felt. Got to 6M in just under 45mins (most of that with wind in my face), but felt pretty whacked at this point. Took a 1 minute walking break and then back running again. Got to 10M in just over 75 min and then the Garmin battery died (not charged enough), and did about a mile c/d.
    Was great to be out in the fresh air, but to be honest it was pretty tough (considering I hadn't had a tough running week by any stretch..). Trying to run 4 mins quicker to get a sub 42 10K seems to be a tough ask at this point - I do not feel nearly as fit as I did in the summer when i ran a 4M race in 26:40 (in the middle of a tough running week, and which would have put me sub 20 for 5K)
    The body is a strange thing...

    Anyway, will try to stick to the plan this week, and am at home all week so will avoid the treadmill!
    Good running this week everyone, looks like weather is going to be horrible so its HTFU time :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    FYI, the Tuam 8k seems to be on the 17th January, not the 17th Feb - That's probably the one I'll aim for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    chrislad wrote: »
    FYI, the Tuam 8k seems to be on the 17th January, not the 17th Feb - That's probably the one I'll aim for.

    Apologies that was a typo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Right Folks


    Week 2|
    Monday|OFF
    Tuesday| 45 minutes easy
    Wednesday| 30 minutes easy + 6*100m strides
    Thursday| OFF
    Friday| 15 minutes recovery
    Saturday| Race
    Sunday| 30 minutes very easy
    .


    Target Races


    Location|Date|Race
    Galway|17th Feb|Tuam 8k
    Dublin|31-Jan|Raheny 5 mile
    Carlow|31-Jan| Charlie Curran 10k
    Kildare|6-Feb| Rathcoffey 10k
    Wexford|14th| Enniscorthy 10k

    I have two questions Myles. Firstly, I'm undecided as too whether or not I'll race this week. If I do, it'll be parkrun on Saturday. If I don't do parkrun should I just do 45 minutes easy, or should I do something with a bit more pace?
    Secondly, I've already picked a goal race that's closer to home for me - the Dungarvan 10 mile on Jan 31st. I've already registered for this. So the question is is this plan for me? Or can I follow this plan but just make my long runs a bit longer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    I have two questions Myles. Firstly, I'm undecided as too whether or not I'll race this week. If I do, it'll be parkrun on Saturday. If I don't do parkrun should I just do 45 minutes easy, or should I do something with a bit more pace?
    Secondly, I've already picked a goal race that's closer to home for me - the Dungarvan 10 mile on Jan 31st. I've already registered for this. So the question is is this plan for me? Or can I follow this plan but just make my long runs a bit longer?

    I'm the same. I have my staff party on Friday night. While I don't drink, I don't know if I'll have time on Saturday to make it to my parkrun, so I might just do a longer easier run, and do the 5k race next week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    I have two questions Myles. Firstly, I'm undecided as too whether or not I'll race this week. If I do, it'll be parkrun on Saturday. If I don't do parkrun should I just do 45 minutes easy, or should I do something with a bit more pace?
    Secondly, I've already picked a goal race that's closer to home for me - the Dungarvan 10 mile on Jan 31st. I've already registered for this. So the question is is this plan for me? Or can I follow this plan but just make my long runs a bit longer?

    The plan will be designed to get you aerobically fit so while it is more tailored towards 10k it will be endurance based so you will be able to run a solid 10 mile time off it. The training is all about building the engine and chassis (to take a term from another boardsie) in order to develop your overall running athleticism going forward to provide to basic tools that can be developed no matter what distance you take up in the future
    chrislad wrote: »
    I'm the same. I have my staff party on Friday night. While I don't drink, I don't know if I'll have time on Saturday to make it to my parkrun, so I might just do a longer easier run, and do the 5k race next week.

    Regards what to do if not running Race on Saturday I would advise the following

    15 min warm up, 20 minutes @ 5k pace + 25 seconds per mile (approx 15 sec per km), 15 min cooldown


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭diego_b


    I'll be doing the Raheny 5 miler myself, ran it very easy earlier this year as was pacing a mate around his first 5 miler. Came home in 44:12...told my mate to push on whenever he felt like it so he departed me for the last half a mile or so. The goody bag was great but was disappointed not to be able to run it proper, was only jogging it.
    I hadn't done a 5 mile race in 9 months with setting a time of 39:36 at the BHAA Dunboyne 5 mile in 2014 and due to the scarcity of 5 mile races it's the only PB I've not broken this year

    Did the parkrun in Naas this weekend and got 22:52 which I was very happy with, I was given 22:50 at the parkrun in Tralee last week and I think I should have been 22:57 going on the results so happy to have set what I feel was a better time in much tougher conditions.... my splits of 7:16, 7:22, 7:15 plus a proper hard finish where I passed out a Lakeshore Striders lady in the last 100 meters was good....felt I was running as hard as I ever have really and it was into a headwind as well. I managed to finish 8 seconds ahead of her but once I got passed her I was not slowing down!
    Will do report for my log later. Was hoping to get out this morning to run but the winds down here in Kerry are nuts so plan B for lunchtime might not be a runner either. We'll see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    The plan will be designed to get you aerobically fit so while it is more tailored towards 10k it will be endurance based so you will be able to run a solid 10 mile time off it. The training is all about building the engine and chassis (to take a term from another boardsie) in order to develop your overall running athleticism going forward to provide to basic tools that can be developed no matter what distance you take up in the future



    Regards what to do if not running Race on Saturday I would advise the following

    15 min warm up, 20 minutes @ 5k pace + 25 seconds per mile (approx 15 sec per km), 15 min cooldown

    Cheers Myles. I'll stick with the plan I think. Like chrislad above, the staff Xmas party is Friday night, but I do drink - not much though, so I'll be playing Saturday by ear. I had registered for Clon in a fit of exuberance not long after Dublin, but a 16 mile hilly long run 8 days after Dublin put that idea firmly to bed. I was knackered basically for a good couple of weeks after that and decided to spend the winter building an aerobic base. Dungarvan will be a good test I think. Like a lot of people it seems, my times over shorter distances don't carry into the marathon distance, so I have some endurance work to do as well. I finally worked out my paces (based on my most recent 5k race in August) and it seems I pretty much hit those paces last week - I'd love be able to hit MP for the full 26.2.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Cheers Myles. I'll stick with the plan I think. Like chrislad above, the staff Xmas party is Friday night, but I do drink - not much though, so I'll be playing Saturday by ear. I had registered for Clon in a fit of exuberance not long after Dublin, but a 16 mile hilly long run 8 days after Dublin put that idea firmly to bed. I was knackered basically for a good couple of weeks after that and decided to spend the winter building an aerobic base. Dungarvan will be a good test I think. Like a lot of people it seems, my times over shorter distances don't carry into the marathon distance, so I have some endurance work to do as well. I finally worked out my paces (based on my most recent 5k race in August) and it seems I pretty much hit those paces last week - I'd love be able to hit MP for the full 26.2.

    If you guys do have a few drinks don't be afraid to scale this back 5-10 seconds. Over the next few days get a general sense for resting HR in the mornings (simple two fingers on the neck) if the day of the session this is a little higher scale back slightly (I will do an in depth post on HR and how it effects training and how to train by it over the next few days)

    Might seem daunting but its a case of patience. Consistent training and racing through the year will see you build all the components you need to make them sort of times possible

    - Miles will build aerobic and muscular endurance
    - The strides will develop form to run efficiently
    - Your tempo's and intervals will develop your energy pathways
    - Your long runs will build your energy storage capabilities
    - Progressions runs will develop your fuel efficiencies
    - Races for mental toughness and physical benefits of digging in while tired

    All these elements are what make a good (marathon) runner. It's like a house of cards every little bit has it's place without working on them all it will crumble.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    Mrs Mc wrote: »
    Nothing worth logging just yet !

    Let others be the judge of that:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭runnerholic


    Myles, would you recommend doing both the Jingle Bells 5k this Saturday and the Aware 10K the following Saturday? and if so what sort of plan should I follow to do both? I have signed up for the 5k but not the 10k yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    Myles, would you recommend doing both the Jingle Bells 5k this Saturday and the Aware 10K the following Saturday? and if so what sort of plan should I follow to do both? I have signed up for the 5k but not the 10k yet.

    Racing multiple weeks in a row can be manageable but will require taking it very handy in between. Normally I try ad reserve this for coming near the end of a season (plan on taking a few light weeks after)

    I would keep mileage relatively low and have a very light session on the Wednesday's just enough to keep these legs ticking over (this week follow plan and next week aim to do 60-80% the overall session with slightly increased recoveries than what is prescribed)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,776 ✭✭✭This Fat Girl Runs


    Well. Last week caught up with me. Couldn't sleep at all last night and walked around work in an exhausted daze complete with headache. With permission of my coach I skipped tonight's easy 2 miles. I did have to go to town after work so ended up walking 3 miles. I know it's not the same but it's better than nothing right?

    I feel wretched though. About missing a run. I feel like my stupid body is just stupid and letting me down.

    Darn it this has made me really grumpy. :mad::(

    Somebody say something to knock some sense into me. Please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    Well. Last week caught up with me. Couldn't sleep at all last night and walked around work in an exhausted daze complete with headache. With permission of my coach I skipped tonight's easy 2 miles. I did have to go to town after work so ended up walking 3 miles. I know it's not the same but it's better than nothing right?

    I feel wretched though. About missing a run. I feel like my stupid body is just stupid and letting me down.

    Darn it this has made me really grumpy. :mad::(

    Somebody say something to knock some sense into me. Please?

    Stupid body got u all way 26.2 miles not so long ago, it's only early
    in next cycle, all the time on world to rest and recover, what have we
    All learned, listen to the stupid body it knows best😀


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭FBOT01


    JacEim wrote: »
    ........ Question - what is the right dress code for tights for men - shorts / no shorts?? I prefer 'au natural'...
    ........

    Definitely shorts but MAN UP and dump the tights :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭diego_b


    JacEim wrote: »
    Question - what is the right dress code for tights for men - shorts / no shorts?? I prefer 'au natural'...

    No shorts for me!

    8f1abe97b84957270416dd8e545583f4.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭diego_b


    My parkrun/race report from Naas parkrun on Saturday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭diego_b


    James Dunne of the 30 day challenge a lot of us completed as part of our novice training has a new challenge.

    It's called Run Strong Challenge and it's another 30 days. Day 1 was today...http://kinetic-revolution.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1782f03224a6b20eee21331ba&id=f528a73c99&e=dd93f81d2d


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭chrislad


    I'm swapping my race on Saturday to Sunday. In that case, should I do the 15 mins recovery on Saturday, with the 30 minutes very easy (on Sunday) on Friday instead, with perhaps, another 20 mins on Monday (again, very easy)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭Myles Splitz


    JacEim wrote: »
    I was out on Sat night with friends so did my weekend runs on Fri / Sat.

    Fri 45 mins was nice and easy (no problems there)...

    On Saturday I had to drop my son to a birthday party and as it was 20 mins drive to the activity centre I decided it would be better to stay there and run, rather than coming back and then going to collect him. So, recognising the crappy weather I put on the compression tights for the first time this winter and was all dressed up dropping the little man over. (Mrs made me wear shorts over the tights - "You can't be wearing those things in front of all the other mothers", even dropping in the additional "not that there is whole lot on display"!!!). Question - what is the right dress code for tights for men - shorts / no shorts?? I prefer 'au natural'...

    Have to own up to a 'slight divergence' to the plan on Saturday. It was really windy but was interested in seeing how the body felt. Was fed up with all the treadmill running and was delighted to be out on the road. Felt fast in my tights and my super cool new Asics bright yellow wind cheater which I got for €40!! (Mrs found 3 vouchers for The Edge totalling €220 when doing a pre xmas clean... so she said I don't need an xmas present now!!)
    Route was pretty hilly but felt pretty good. Was pushing it along pretty well and after about 3 miles I said I would try to push to the 6M point and see how I felt. Got to 6M in just under 45mins (most of that with wind in my face), but felt pretty whacked at this point. Took a 1 minute walking break and then back running again. Got to 10M in just over 75 min and then the Garmin battery died (not charged enough), and did about a mile c/d.
    Was great to be out in the fresh air, but to be honest it was pretty tough (considering I hadn't had a tough running week by any stretch..). Trying to run 4 mins quicker to get a sub 42 10K seems to be a tough ask at this point - I do not feel nearly as fit as I did in the summer when i ran a 4M race in 26:40 (in the middle of a tough running week, and which would have put me sub 20 for 5K)
    The body is a strange thing...

    Anyway, will try to stick to the plan this week, and am at home all week so will avoid the treadmill!
    Good running this week everyone, looks like weather is going to be horrible so its HTFU time :)
    FBOT01 wrote: »
    Definitely shorts but MAN UP and dump the tights :P
    diego_b wrote: »
    No shorts for me!

    8f1abe97b84957270416dd8e545583f4.jpg

    I think this comes beyond my mentoring mandate :D

    Definitely not qualified to comment as my fashion sense would not exactly be conventional (I'm a bit function over fashion when it comes to running gear and compression stuff :D)
    diego_b wrote: »
    James Dunne of the 30 day challenge a lot of us completed as part of our novice training has a new challenge.

    It's called Run Strong Challenge and it's another 30 days. Day 1 was today...http://kinetic-revolution.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1782f03224a6b20eee21331ba&id=f528a73c99&e=dd93f81d2d

    His stuff is pretty good I will also be creating an alternative custom one from next week working on primary muscles that will hopefully keep things interesting for anyone who is looking for an alternative.
    chrislad wrote: »
    I'm swapping my race on Saturday to Sunday. In that case, should I do the 15 mins recovery on Saturday, with the 30 minutes very easy (on Sunday) on Friday instead, with perhaps, another 20 mins on Monday (again, very easy)

    I would go with Friday off, 15 min recovery and the 30 min very easy on Monday. Pushing training beyond a 7 week cycle is something people tend to avoid for some unknown reason but can make things alot easier to think of each training week cycle as 10-14 days and makes things easier to juggle around. (if people did want to do this we could change the way plan is sent but for now just for convenience and feedback we will go week by week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Not having the best week here so far, on account of work and personal stuff. The "change of seasons" cold has finally caught me, too, so I am a snottering mess. I would probably have skipped JB had I not signed up already.

    No running Mon and Tuesday, but today I was going to get out, no matter what. I did my lunchtime 5M loop, nobody available to run with so I ended up rage-running most of it (8km @ 5:11/km [8:20/M] - this includes stopping once for traffic and once for a direction question, grrr, as well as a very slow km to get started).

    Probably jinxed the 5k on Saturday as a result but it felt good letting off some steam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    jake1970 wrote: »
    a) What are your main running goals for the next 3 to 12 months?

    Goals for the year would to achieve PBs in all the distances from 5k to the marathon. The main goals would be a sub 40 in the 10k and run DCM 2016 but first up will be Donadea 50k in February, training starts next week:eek:.
    Target races will be Athlone for the HM, Dunshauglin for the 10k and maybe St Coca's for the 5k.

    Just a quick update on my training......

    There has been no training due to an abductor muscle strain, no running for the last week and a half and it will probably be another week and a half before i run again. So that rules out my first target of the year, the Donadea 50k in February, it was probably too ambitious a target anyway so soon after DCM.
    If my recovery from injury goes to plan then the new target race will be the Mullingar Half Marathon in March.
    Best of luck to everyone running Jingle Bells 5k at the weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Just in from my 30 mins easy didn't do the strides my calves were killing me so just kept the pace easy. Getting so frustrated with the pains in my calves. Decided to spend 20 mins stretching and foam rolling after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭hot buttered scones


    Went out yesterday for 45 minutes easy. Ended up doing 6 miles in 53 minutes - miscalculated my route so was about a mile away from home at 45 mins so just kept going. A very windy day and a rolling route meant the effort was harder than it was supposed to be I think. Did 30 minutes easy tonight just before work with 6 x strides. Did 3.3 miles in 30 minutes taking it very easy, watching the HR - average just below 140 for this bit. Did 6 strides on fairly level stretch. Did the first one in 28 secs, walked back and just ran 5 more time to the same spot. Felt good. Each stride just got progressively faster although it didn't feel like it at the time - first one was 6:30 pace, last one was 5:30 pace. The walk back was about 1:20 but I was fully recovered (HR down to <110) so felt this was long enough. Right ankle is still bothering me - its ok if I use some kinesio tape. Right hamstring is starting to loosen out. Got a new Trigger Point brand foam roller today (Amazon sales!) so I had a quick 10 minutes on that before heading out. Tomorrow is a rest day but I have planned to do some light strength work including stretching and rolling. Christmas party is probably not a goer now, so I'm going to try and get to parkrun Saturday. I'm registered for full in Clon, but tbh I don't think I could face even the 10k - bad idea to register for it anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭diego_b


    You can enter for the Raheny 5 miler now...
    https://register.primoevents.com/ps/event/AXARaheny5RoadRace


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Myles question for you I've been back running 4 times a week now sticking to your plan dropping one day from the 5 day plan purely due to time. I haven't raced or done any distance over 6 miles throughout November I've been struggling with my calves and Achilles since DCM. I did go to the physio last week and there was some tightness which she worked on. I have niggles when I walk nothing very sore just niggles. I have heel raises and calf stretch exercise to do and I've continued the Gerard Hartman rope stretches that I did during DCM and foam rolling. Just concerned about jingle bells sat should I bow out and rest up for a week or do I just keep going in the hope it improves? I think I do recall from the physio that resting up an Achilles doesn't really do any good but don't quote me on that I could be wrong. Thanks. :)


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