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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5402
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,566 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Islamists are people like you and I. Islamic extremists are not. Putting all Muslims in with these lunatics is hate speech, plain and simple. And based on zero facts. Quit with the basic hate speech.

    "Islamist" and "Muslim" really don't mean the same thing.

    Muslim = an individual who just practices their faith privately

    Islamist = someone who does the above but with an emphasis on implementing and imposing Islamic laws and political values etc on others


  • #5403
    Yeah_Right
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »
    It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

    It's like a bad Monty Python sketch:

    "We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it."

    "No you didn't."

    "Wait, what? Yes we did..."

    "No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons."

    "WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers."

    "No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so."

    "Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."

    "Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that's why you did this. We're sorry."

    "What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"

    "Listen, it's our fault. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."

    "Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we're not going to let you take it away from us."

    "No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."

    "OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?"

    This is outstanding. Well done sir.


  • #5404
    MPFGLB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Why Turkey matters

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

    Turkey & Saudi Arabia ...two duplicitous b*****ds

    The Kurds are the only one really to fully embrace democracy ...and the Turks fight them at every corner

    Winston Churchill has alot to answer for ...


  • #5405
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Islamists are people like you and I. ..........

    *drops pint in shock


  • #5406
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    And he was only 3 days from retirement…

    He was too old for that shit. :(


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  • #5407
    IrishTrajan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,703 ✭✭✭IrishTrajan


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    The Kurds are the only one really to fully embrace democracy ...and the Turks fight them at every corner.

    You are very naive if you believe this. The Iraqi Kurds are ahead of a lot of others in the world, yes, but they've not fully embraced it or anything of the sort.


  • #5408
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »
    Not really, if you're saying that the religion itself should be banned.

    Only I never said that or anything like that.:rolleyes:


  • #5409
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Islamists are people like you and I. Islamic extremists are not. Putting all Muslims in with these lunatics is hate speech, plain and simple. And based on zero facts. Quit with the basic hate speech.

    This seems careless, to be fair.

    A supporter of a political movement that favors reordering government and society in accordance with laws prescribed by Islam, is a person like you and I ?

    No, certainly not. With all due respect to the possible distinction between an Islamist and a radical/extremist/militant.


  • #5410
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Wouldn't society just be amazing if people had their own minds.....


  • #5411
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    kleefarr wrote: »
    Mass cyber attack by ISIS on uk being reported..

    http://www.digitalattackmap.com/

    http://www.telecomstechnews.com/news/2015/nov/18/uk-pummelled-ddos-after-isis-cyber-attack-warning/


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  • #5412
    Wurzelbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,804 ✭✭✭Wurzelbert


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Islamists are people like you and I. Islamic extremists are not. Putting all Muslims in with these lunatics is hate speech, plain and simple. And based on zero facts. Quit with the basic hate speech.

    yes, in that they breathe and have a pulse, before they blow themselves up anyway…and that’s where the similarities end…


  • #5413
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,442 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Gaygooner wrote: »
    Is it wrong I only on my have sympathy for the dog???

    Not in the slightest. I'd say if was entirely appropriate. T'would be only right to scrape up what's left of the mad bint that blew herself up and process it into tasty treats for his grieving colleagues.


  • #5414
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    If I had a euro for every time I've seen "not all Muslims are terrorists" as if it's some kind of revelation in the past couple of days I'd be on a yacht beside my Greek island with my Russian supermodel girlfriend right now, it's something I thought would be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

    There's a billion of them, obviously a percentage will be extremist nutjobs, just like a percentage of every other religion are nutjobs

    Edit: and the non religious too

    Sorry to go back to old post, but I wouldn't go for a Greek island these days if you have billions.
    Especially one near Turkey.

    inforfun wrote: »
    Posted this in another thread but you might enjoy it here too

    8 ISIL cnuts in Turkey stopped on their way to Europe.

    Ahh bless the Turks have stopped 8.
    I guess that might make up for the thousands they have let through both directions at this stage, the fact they have helped ISIS by not allowing Kurds fight them or Americans bomb them, helped destablise Syria in the first place and help ISIs setup il refining facilities by letting equipment through.

    But anyway that story can't possibly be true as we all know (from superior intellectually informed posters here and the media) that those refugees making their way up from Greece through Europe are all Syrians and Iraqis fleeing ISIS. :rolleyes:
    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    http://www.telecomstechnews.com/news/2015/nov/18/uk-pummelled-ddos-after-isis-cyber-attack-warning/

    Obviously they aren't dependent on Eir (or Eircom) for their broadband.
    I bet the fookers have better broadband than us.
    All that speed and they don't like music, naked women, movies, etc, etc.

    This is the final fecking straw. :mad:

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #5415
    Facekicking 2 The Future
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40 ✭Facekicking 2 The Future


    Of course Muslims aren't all the same - we could send them all home if that was the case.

    Could the people stop presenting this as some self satisfied "I an very smart" out of the box thinking and just realise that anyone with an average intelligence and common sense could stumble out with it.

    This type of thing is so painfully inside the box that you can cross the 4 corners with 2 lines.


  • #5416
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    They got the suspected "mastermind" of last friday's attacks this morning
    Female suicide bomber who fired AK-47 at police believed to be his wife or cousin.

    But that is quite often one and the same in those circles.

    (yeah... dailymail. But same story is breaking in Belgian, French and Dutch newspapers. Thought it would be easier in English for you)


  • #5417
    Mountainsandh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,705 ✭✭✭Mountainsandh


    Meanwhile in Raqqa, some French airstrikes on ISIS HQs and arms depots, then later today 5 more explosions/air strikes, no precisions on who carried out these ones, but there were 7 civilians killed and 5 injured.

    I think I can gather the killings happened as a fuel truck was targeted, but the twitter feed is a bit confusing at times with a mix of language.
    ISIS are attempting to cut off all internet connections (internet cafes etc...) since they have copped on that some information was "leaking" from there.

    edit : I note that since I started following the feed, the twitters have uploaded a pic taken in the street, and sounds of airstrikes. Some people were asking them to prove they were in Raqqa.


  • #5418
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Alexis Sanchez wrote: »
    I don't you understand what Islamists are.

    Islamist

    (ˈɪzləmɪst) adj1. (Islam) supporting or advocating Islamic fundamentalism

    n2. (Islam) a supporter or advocate of Islamic fundamentalism

    I stand corrected. I always thought there was a distinction between Islamists and Islamic fundementalists.


  • #5419
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Apparently approx. 5000 rounds of ammo were fired in this mornings raids.

    That's an extraordinary figure.


  • #5420
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    So is marriage but that doesn't stop it from being denied to plenty of people across the globe. It is about the interpretation of a 'right'. No one has complete freedom of religion, the concept is itself an absurdism. What if my religion were called to refuse to pay taxes? Find the nation that will uphold my religious freedom in that regard.

    Of course people have complete freedom of religion. I can practice any religion i want in Ireland today. A freedom to practice religion and using religion to refuse to pay taxes is not the same thing. Persecution based on religion is one of the core pillars on which asylum and refugee law is based. It's as core a human right as you can get. Obfuscate all you like with your "absurdisms".


  • #5421
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    I wasn't saying we should do it ...I was simply pointing out its not a tenant of democracy in reply to the poster

    And hypothetically if the practice of a religion impinges on another rights then surely its practice can be curtailed with a higher law

    My argument is about basic human rights ...like a religions attitude to women for instance ...and democracy in principle allows for changes

    Fair enough. I am unclear on the tenets of democracy if there even are any. But i do know that freedom to practice religion is a core human right and it aint going anywhere.


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  • #5422
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    I would also really really like if Sky and their ilk could stop the salivating and referring to these guys as "masterminds".


  • #5423
    Magico Gonzalez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭Magico Gonzalez


    bilston wrote: »
    Apparently approx. 5000 rounds of ammo were fired in this mornings raids.

    That's an extraordinary figure.

    Suggests some nervousness or accuracy issues? Guessing..


  • #5424
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Is the anger at Muslims in general starting to subside yet? Not hard to find links from mainstream sites over past few years which detail their formation and who is funding them. Maybe some of the (justified) anger can be pointed that way?


  • #5425
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,253 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    I came across this interesting article on the thinking of jihadists and the response to them,


  • #5426
    inforfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    French authorities are now saying they are not confirming they have that Abouaad fellow.

    But with 5000 rounds amo and a bomb explosion i can imagine identification isnt the easiest


  • #5427
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    I stand corrected. I always thought there was a distinction between Islamists and Islamic fundementalists.

    No real difference the Islamists believe in Political Islam by that they mean Sharia law comes ahead of secular or state law.


  • #5428
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Sky are reporting that a Jewish teacher has been stabbed by three men claiming to be IS supporters in Marseille.

    Although the presenter said that one of the assailants was said to have had a picture of Mohammed on his phone which seems curious as I understood that was a big no no in Islam?


  • #5429
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    bilston wrote: »
    Sky are reporting that a Jewish teacher has been stabbed by three men claiming to be IS supporters in Marseille.

    Although the presenter said that one of the assailants was said to have had a picture of Mohammed on his phone which seems curious as I understood that was a big no no in Islam?

    If I'm correct it was Saudi Wahabism that introduced that 'rule', Islam culture is supposedly full of depictions of their prophet.

    It's also insane, that'd be like Christianity without any picture of Jesus or whatever.


  • #5430
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,212 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Another attack was only hours away if those involved this morning had suicide vests and AK-47's ! A lot of lives saved.
    Well done to the French police ! How many more are out there/.


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  • #5431
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Another attack was only hours away if those involved this morning had suicide vests and AK-47's ! A lot of lives saved.
    Well done to the French police ! How many more are out there/.

    Only after a tip off.


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