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tayto lover

JustTheOne wrote: »

Only after a tip off.

Shure that's how most police forces get their information.

Junkyard Tom

JustTheOne wrote: »

Only after a tip off.

I'd say anyone with suspicions or information on potential attackers will be well motivated to go to the police after the carnage of last Friday.

fr336

JustTheOne wrote: »

Only after a tip off.

I thought the only way to beat terrorism was tracking everyone's communications and movements? Why would determined terrorists not simply talk face to face all the time to avoid detection in this way? Either way it's all neat timing for governments like the UK who are rushing through this legisation.

kleefarr

Luckily the Jewish teacher did not die. In a stable condition.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/620416/Jewish-teacher-stabbed-in-Marseille-by-three-ISIS-supporters

fr336

bilston wrote: »

Sky are reporting that a Jewish teacher has been stabbed by three men claiming to be IS supporters in Marseille.

Although the presenter said that one of the assailants was said to have had a picture of Mohammed on his phone which seems curious as I understood that was a big no no in Islam?

Ah it's like everything they pick and choose lol...THEY. Same with sex and drugs etc. It's because THEY want it, so they change the religious narrative accordingly to justify it to themselves. Of course they also like killing people so that is included also Religion is the excuse, pathetic people is the real reason here.

Btw I'm guessing suicide isn't against Islam like it would be in Christianity? That would save us a lot of hassle.

KingBrian2

Their trying to sew division in Europe. It does not matter what nationality or race or ethnic group was attacked they are looking for a outburst of rage. Treat the terrorist as terrorists and lock them up.

kleefarr

fr336 wrote: »

Btw I'm guessing suicide isn't against Islam like it would be in Christianity? That would save us a lot of hassle.

They don't mind suicide at all, in fact they don't mind taking other people with them when they do it. Farkers.

BlaasForRafa

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If I'm correct it was Saudi Wahabism that introduced that 'rule', Islam culture is supposedly full of depictions of their prophet.

It's also insane, that'd be like Christianity without any picture of Jesus or whatever.

Most of the pictures of jesus look like one of the Bee Gee's lol.

You could make a picture of a dark-haired beardy guy and say it's a picture of the mohammed and who could say it isn't?

lawlolawl

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You could make a picture of a dark-haired beardy guy and say it's a picture of the mohammed and who could say it isn't?

You'd probably end up saying it isn't Mohammend yourself to avoid getting murdered.

testaccount123

KingBrian2 wrote: »

No real difference the Islamists believe in Political Islam by that they mean Sharia law comes ahead of secular or state law.

Of course you wont get anyone to agree on what proportion of Muslims are actually Islamists. Show a study on actual Muslim attitudes and its fingers-int-the-ears la-la-la time.

StringerBell

kleefarr wrote: »

They don't mind suicide at all, in fact they don't mind taking other people with them when they do it. Farkers.

Suicide is a no no in Islam, there are certain exceptions but Islam certainly does mind suicide.

It is true that suicide is strictly forbidden, because it is an affront to God. It is like a person saying to God: “You have given me life and I am taking it away.” This is what is meant by the sacred Hadith in which God is quoted as saying of the one who commits suicide: “My servant has precipitated My will with regard to himself! Therefore, I am forbidding him entry into heaven.” But this Hadith applies to a person in full control of his faculties, suffering no overpowering adversity and having a reasonable life. If such a person commits suicide, then may be God will not allow him in heaven.

A person who commits suicide as a result of a mental disorder like depression or some other severe form of anxiety is not in full control of his senses. We cannot say how God will judge such a person, but we trust to God’s justice, because He does not deal unfairly with anyone. We pray for the person concerned, and request God to forgive him. When a man committed suicide during the Prophet’s lifetime, the Prophet was distressed. He did not perform the janazah prayer for the deceased, but he ordered his companions to do it. When they did, they prayed for the man and requested God’s forgiveness for him. This shows that the Prophet did not exclude the possibility of his being forgiven by God.

testaccount123

StringerBell wrote: »

Suicide is a no no in Islam, there are certain exceptions but Islam certainly does mind suicide.

Martyrdom is quite the hot ticket though.

StringerBell

testaccount123 wrote: »

Martyrdom is quite the hot ticket though.

Dunno, dozens of virgins only sounds fun in theory tbh.

Yosef.coen

kleefarr wrote: »

Luckily the Jewish teacher did not die. In a stable condition.

France is becoming an ever more hostile place for Jews unfortunately. Perhaps now the world will see what israel has to put up with on a daily basis. Walls are unsightly but they work!

deco nate

Yosef.coen wrote: »

France is becoming an ever more hostile place for Jews unfortunately. Perhaps now the world will see what israel has to put up with on a daily basis. Walls are unsightly but they work!

The walls did fcuk all good in world War Z

beard_grower

Yosef.coen wrote: »

France is becoming an ever more hostile place for Jews unfortunately. Perhaps now the world will see what israel has to put up with on a daily basis. Walls are unsightly but they work!

how do israel manage to prevent attacks from IS , surely they would be a higher target for IS than france

whiskeyman

One of the murdered on Friday lived in an apartment next to the concert venue and was hit by a stray bullet that ricocheted off a wall as he was hiding for cover.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/18/paris-attacks-final-victims-named-stephan-hache-killed-home

Nodin

Yosef.coen wrote: »

France is becoming an ever more hostile place for Jews unfortunately. Perhaps now the world will see what israel has to put up with on a daily basis. Walls are unsightly but they work!

...an occupied population pissed off at being colonised? We've seen them on the TV allright. If Israel went back to their own side of the 67 border you might not have to see them all the time.

KingBrian2

Yosef.coen wrote: »

France is becoming an ever more hostile place for Jews unfortunately. Perhaps now the world will see what israel has to put up with on a daily basis. Walls are unsightly but they work!

Yosef you do make one good point the Jihadists don't recognise Israel a feeling shared by many in the Muslim community but for your part Israel is stoking the violence by occupying Palestinian land.

kupus

Shooting in bosnia, two army dead, shot by muslim extremist.

http://www.trust.org/item/20151118221543-4o4ov

Maybe now theyll go after the extremists training grounds in bosnia that loads of locals know about but are unwilling to do anything about.

beard_grower

Nodin wrote: »

...an occupied population pissed off at being colonised? We've seen them on the TV allright. If Israel went back to their own side of the 67 border you might not have to see them all the time.

i thought israel were attacked by an arab coalition in 1967 ? , israels attitude after winning was , what we have , we hold now ?

TheLastMohican

beard_grower wrote: »

how do israel manage to prevent attacks from IS , surely they would be a higher target for IS than france

In pretty much the same way as Japan. It's worth reading all the way through.

IMMIGRATION, MUSLIM VIOLENCE
ISLAMIC TERRORISM: WHY THERE IS NONE IN JAPAN
APRIL 13, 2015 Y.K. CHERSON


With all this Muslim terrorism plaguing the world, perhaps it is time to take a look at a country not suffering the same fate and analyze exactly why that is…

Map of Japan

By: Y.K. Cherson

In 2011, Sunni Muslims accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third year in a row. Over 5,700 incidents were committed by Sunni Muslims, responsible for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of 12,533 fatalities.*

Another 24 percent of the fatalities are on Shi´a Muslims. So in 2011, Muslims were responsible for 94 percent of the fatalities in terrorist attacks. Since 2011, with ISIS on the scene, the number of the fatalities –victims of the Muslim terrorist attacks- sharply grew, together with Muslims´ share in the world terrorism that is steadily closing in on 100%.

In 2013, according to the US Department of State, a total of 9,707 terrorist attacks occurred worldwide, resulting in more than 17,800 deaths and more than 32,500 injuries. In addition, more than 2,990 people were kidnapped or taken hostage. Information about perpetrators was reported in source materials for 32 percent of terrorist attacks in 2013.

And of these 32 percent, or 17,800 deaths, only three Muslim terrorist groups, namely the Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram, were responsible for 5,655 fatalities, or for 31.76 percent! That means that 31.76 percent out of the 32 percent of terrorist attacks which had reported information about the attackers were perpetrated by only three Muslim terrorist groups, out of a good 50 more that exist in our turbulent world!

Muslim terrorists can be proud: their share in world terrorist attacks is now close to 100%.

Seems there is not a single country where Muslims would not show their true colors… But no! There is such a country. It’s one of the most developed countries on Earth, and its democratic nature is recognized worldwide, a true ally of the USA and a member of NATO. However, with all this, there was not a single terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims in this country. Moreover, there was not a single, even minor, riot, disturbance or protest, no matter how many citizens of this country support cartoons of the prophet Muhammad published in some Danish newspaper or in a French magazine.

The name of this lucky country is Japan.

Of course, Japan achieved this by some super effective integration policy, through using the most advanced technologies and assigning billions of yen on the building of thousands of mosques and Islamic schools all over Japan, banning pork in all public places, introducing separate hours for boys and girls in swimming pools in all public schools, and Japanese male doctors do not dare touch their female patients, Muslim women get immense social aid each time they have a child, Shari´a courts were introduced in the judicial system of Japan, and the Koran is considered a Holy Book in Japan…

No, nothing of the kind. What Japan did to avoid problems related to Muslims was much simpler and cheaper; Japan is practically closed to Muslims.

Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Obtaining a working visa is not easy for adepts of Islam, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. As a result, Japan is “a country without Muslims”.

There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. However, claims of thirty thousand made by some researchers are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, the ex-president of the Japan Islamic Association Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, “To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousand.”

One of the leaders of the Muslim community in Japan, Nur Ad-Din Mori, was asked: “What percentage of Japan’s total population are Muslims?” He responded, “The answer at the moment is: One out of a hundred thousand.”

Japan’s population is 130 million people, so if these Muslim leaders are correct, then there must be around 1300 Muslims. But even those Muslims who obtained immigration permits and lived many years in the country have very poor chances of becoming Japanese citizens.

Japan officially forbids exhorting people to adopt the religion of Islam (Dawah), and any Muslim who actively encourages conversion to Islam is seen as proselytizing to a foreign and undesirable culture. Too active “promoters of Islam” face deportation- and sometimes even a jail sentence.

The Arabic language is taught by very few academic institutes; I could find only one such institute: The Arabic Islamic Institute in Tokyo. But even the International University of Japan in Tokyo does not offer courses on Arabic or Islamic languages.

Importing the Koran in Arabic is practically impossible, and the only one permitted is the “adapted” version in Japanese.

Until recently, there were only two mosques in Japan: Tokyo Jama Masjid and Kobe Mosque. Now, the total number of Muslim praying sites in Japan is counted in some 30 single story mosques and about a hundred apartment rooms set aside for prayers.

And Japanese society expects Muslims to pray at home: no collective “prostrating” in the streets or squares; in Japan, for such “shows” the actors can get pretty high fines, and in those cases Japanese Police consider “serious”, the participants can be deported.

Quite often, Japanese companies seeking foreign workers specifically note that they are not interested in Muslims.

There is not even a trace of a Shari´a Law in Japan, and halal food is extremely difficult to find in there.

The Japanese tend to perceive Islam as a “strange and dangerous religion” that a true Japanese should avoid, and the recent murders of two Japanese nationals, Haruna Yukawa and Kenji Goto, by ISIS have not contributed to any improvement in the opinions of the Japanese on this matter.

And the most interesting thing in the Japanese approach to Muslims is the fact that the Japanese do not feel any guilt for such a “discriminatory” approach to Islam, and they evidently do not think they should apologize to Muslims for the negative way in which they perceive their religion. Arab gas and oil- yes, and Japan maintains good relations with Arab exporters. But Islam – no, and Muslim immigration- neither. Islam is something that is suitable for others, not for Japan, and therefore the Muslims must remain outside.

And Muslims in Japan do not riot, they do not brand the Japanese “racists”, they do not burn cars, smash windows, behead Japanese soldiers for having been in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else on Earth – and not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.

Maybe Europe and the USA should look at the Japanese model of dealing with Muslims more closely?

StewartGriffin

endacl wrote: »

Not in the slightest. I'd say if was entirely appropriate. T'would be only right to scrape up what's left of the mad bint that blew herself up and process it into tasty treats for his grieving colleagues.

Oh, Hardcore!

(If you're 12 years old.)

beard_grower

TheLastMohican wrote: »

In pretty much the same way as Japan. It's worth reading all the way through.

IMMIGRATION, MUSLIM VIOLENCE
ISLAMIC TERRORISM: WHY THERE IS NONE IN JAPAN
APRIL 13, 2015 Y.K. CHERSON


With all this Muslim terrorism plaguing the world, perhaps it is time to take a look at a country not suffering the same fate and analyze exactly why that is…

Map of Japan

By: Y.K. Cherson

In 2011, Sunni Muslims accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third year in a row. Over 5,700 incidents were committed by Sunni Muslims, responsible for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of 12,533 fatalities.*

Another 24 percent of the fatalities are on Shi´a Muslims. So in 2011, Muslims were responsible for 94 percent of the fatalities in terrorist attacks. Since 2011, with ISIS on the scene, the number of the fatalities –victims of the Muslim terrorist attacks- sharply grew, together with Muslims´ share in the world terrorism that is steadily closing in on 100%.

In 2013, according to the US Department of State, a total of 9,707 terrorist attacks occurred worldwide, resulting in more than 17,800 deaths and more than 32,500 injuries. In addition, more than 2,990 people were kidnapped or taken hostage. Information about perpetrators was reported in source materials for 32 percent of terrorist attacks in 2013.

And of these 32 percent, or 17,800 deaths, only three Muslim terrorist groups, namely the Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram, were responsible for 5,655 fatalities, or for 31.76 percent! That means that 31.76 percent out of the 32 percent of terrorist attacks which had reported information about the attackers were perpetrated by only three Muslim terrorist groups, out of a good 50 more that exist in our turbulent world!

Muslim terrorists can be proud: their share in world terrorist attacks is now close to 100%.

Seems there is not a single country where Muslims would not show their true colors… But no! There is such a country. It’s one of the most developed countries on Earth, and its democratic nature is recognized worldwide, a true ally of the USA and a member of NATO. However, with all this, there was not a single terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims in this country. Moreover, there was not a single, even minor, riot, disturbance or protest, no matter how many citizens of this country support cartoons of the prophet Muhammad published in some Danish newspaper or in a French magazine.

The name of this lucky country is Japan.

Of course, Japan achieved this by some super effective integration policy, through using the most advanced technologies and assigning billions of yen on the building of thousands of mosques and Islamic schools all over Japan, banning pork in all public places, introducing separate hours for boys and girls in swimming pools in all public schools, and Japanese male doctors do not dare touch their female patients, Muslim women get immense social aid each time they have a child, Shari´a courts were introduced in the judicial system of Japan, and the Koran is considered a Holy Book in Japan…

No, nothing of the kind. What Japan did to avoid problems related to Muslims was much simpler and cheaper; Japan is practically closed to Muslims.

Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Obtaining a working visa is not easy for adepts of Islam, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. As a result, Japan is “a country without Muslims”.

There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. However, claims of thirty thousand made by some researchers are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, the ex-president of the Japan Islamic Association Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, “To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousand.”

One of the leaders of the Muslim community in Japan, Nur Ad-Din Mori, was asked: “What percentage of Japan’s total population are Muslims?” He responded, “The answer at the moment is: One out of a hundred thousand.”

Japan’s population is 130 million people, so if these Muslim leaders are correct, then there must be around 1300 Muslims. But even those Muslims who obtained immigration permits and lived many years in the country have very poor chances of becoming Japanese citizens.

Japan officially forbids exhorting people to adopt the religion of Islam (Dawah), and any Muslim who actively encourages conversion to Islam is seen as proselytizing to a foreign and undesirable culture. Too active “promoters of Islam” face deportation- and sometimes even a jail sentence.

The Arabic language is taught by very few academic institutes; I could find only one such institute: The Arabic Islamic Institute in Tokyo. But even the International University of Japan in Tokyo does not offer courses on Arabic or Islamic languages.

Importing the Koran in Arabic is practically impossible, and the only one permitted is the “adapted” version in Japanese.

Until recently, there were only two mosques in Japan: Tokyo Jama Masjid and Kobe Mosque. Now, the total number of Muslim praying sites in Japan is counted in some 30 single story mosques and about a hundred apartment rooms set aside for prayers.

And Japanese society expects Muslims to pray at home: no collective “prostrating” in the streets or squares; in Japan, for such “shows” the actors can get pretty high fines, and in those cases Japanese Police consider “serious”, the participants can be deported.

Quite often, Japanese companies seeking foreign workers specifically note that they are not interested in Muslims.

There is not even a trace of a Shari´a Law in Japan, and halal food is extremely difficult to find in there.

The Japanese tend to perceive Islam as a “strange and dangerous religion” that a true Japanese should avoid, and the recent murders of two Japanese nationals, Haruna Yukawa and Kenji Goto, by ISIS have not contributed to any improvement in the opinions of the Japanese on this matter.

And the most interesting thing in the Japanese approach to Muslims is the fact that the Japanese do not feel any guilt for such a “discriminatory” approach to Islam, and they evidently do not think they should apologize to Muslims for the negative way in which they perceive their religion. Arab gas and oil- yes, and Japan maintains good relations with Arab exporters. But Islam – no, and Muslim immigration- neither. Islam is something that is suitable for others, not for Japan, and therefore the Muslims must remain outside.

And Muslims in Japan do not riot, they do not brand the Japanese “racists”, they do not burn cars, smash windows, behead Japanese soldiers for having been in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else on Earth – and not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.

Maybe Europe and the USA should look at the Japanese model of dealing with Muslims more closely?

interesting how japan is never questioned about its immigration policy , never once heard anyone in the media criticise it

Christy42

TheLastMohican wrote: »

In pretty much the same way as Japan. It's worth reading all the way through.

IMMIGRATION, MUSLIM VIOLENCE
ISLAMIC TERRORISM: WHY THERE IS NONE IN JAPAN
APRIL 13, 2015 Y.K. CHERSON


With all this Muslim terrorism plaguing the world, perhaps it is time to take a look at a country not suffering the same fate and analyze exactly why that is…

Map of Japan

By: Y.K. Cherson

In 2011, Sunni Muslims accounted for the greatest number of terrorist attacks and fatalities for the third year in a row. Over 5,700 incidents were committed by Sunni Muslims, responsible for nearly 56 percent of all attacks and about 70 percent of 12,533 fatalities.*

Another 24 percent of the fatalities are on Shi´a Muslims. So in 2011, Muslims were responsible for 94 percent of the fatalities in terrorist attacks. Since 2011, with ISIS on the scene, the number of the fatalities –victims of the Muslim terrorist attacks- sharply grew, together with Muslims´ share in the world terrorism that is steadily closing in on 100%.

In 2013, according to the US Department of State, a total of 9,707 terrorist attacks occurred worldwide, resulting in more than 17,800 deaths and more than 32,500 injuries. In addition, more than 2,990 people were kidnapped or taken hostage. Information about perpetrators was reported in source materials for 32 percent of terrorist attacks in 2013.

And of these 32 percent, or 17,800 deaths, only three Muslim terrorist groups, namely the Taliban, ISIS and Boko Haram, were responsible for 5,655 fatalities, or for 31.76 percent! That means that 31.76 percent out of the 32 percent of terrorist attacks which had reported information about the attackers were perpetrated by only three Muslim terrorist groups, out of a good 50 more that exist in our turbulent world!

Muslim terrorists can be proud: their share in world terrorist attacks is now close to 100%.

Seems there is not a single country where Muslims would not show their true colors… But no! There is such a country. It’s one of the most developed countries on Earth, and its democratic nature is recognized worldwide, a true ally of the USA and a member of NATO. However, with all this, there was not a single terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims in this country. Moreover, there was not a single, even minor, riot, disturbance or protest, no matter how many citizens of this country support cartoons of the prophet Muhammad published in some Danish newspaper or in a French magazine.

The name of this lucky country is Japan.

Of course, Japan achieved this by some super effective integration policy, through using the most advanced technologies and assigning billions of yen on the building of thousands of mosques and Islamic schools all over Japan, banning pork in all public places, introducing separate hours for boys and girls in swimming pools in all public schools, and Japanese male doctors do not dare touch their female patients, Muslim women get immense social aid each time they have a child, Shari´a courts were introduced in the judicial system of Japan, and the Koran is considered a Holy Book in Japan…

No, nothing of the kind. What Japan did to avoid problems related to Muslims was much simpler and cheaper; Japan is practically closed to Muslims.

Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Obtaining a working visa is not easy for adepts of Islam, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. As a result, Japan is “a country without Muslims”.

There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. However, claims of thirty thousand made by some researchers are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, the ex-president of the Japan Islamic Association Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, “To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousand.”

One of the leaders of the Muslim community in Japan, Nur Ad-Din Mori, was asked: “What percentage of Japan’s total population are Muslims?” He responded, “The answer at the moment is: One out of a hundred thousand.”

Japan’s population is 130 million people, so if these Muslim leaders are correct, then there must be around 1300 Muslims. But even those Muslims who obtained immigration permits and lived many years in the country have very poor chances of becoming Japanese citizens.

Japan officially forbids exhorting people to adopt the religion of Islam (Dawah), and any Muslim who actively encourages conversion to Islam is seen as proselytizing to a foreign and undesirable culture. Too active “promoters of Islam” face deportation- and sometimes even a jail sentence.

The Arabic language is taught by very few academic institutes; I could find only one such institute: The Arabic Islamic Institute in Tokyo. But even the International University of Japan in Tokyo does not offer courses on Arabic or Islamic languages.

Importing the Koran in Arabic is practically impossible, and the only one permitted is the “adapted” version in Japanese.

Until recently, there were only two mosques in Japan: Tokyo Jama Masjid and Kobe Mosque. Now, the total number of Muslim praying sites in Japan is counted in some 30 single story mosques and about a hundred apartment rooms set aside for prayers.

And Japanese society expects Muslims to pray at home: no collective “prostrating” in the streets or squares; in Japan, for such “shows” the actors can get pretty high fines, and in those cases Japanese Police consider “serious”, the participants can be deported.

Quite often, Japanese companies seeking foreign workers specifically note that they are not interested in Muslims.

There is not even a trace of a Shari´a Law in Japan, and halal food is extremely difficult to find in there.

The Japanese tend to perceive Islam as a “strange and dangerous religion” that a true Japanese should avoid, and the recent murders of two Japanese nationals, Haruna Yukawa and Kenji Goto, by ISIS have not contributed to any improvement in the opinions of the Japanese on this matter.

And the most interesting thing in the Japanese approach to Muslims is the fact that the Japanese do not feel any guilt for such a “discriminatory” approach to Islam, and they evidently do not think they should apologize to Muslims for the negative way in which they perceive their religion. Arab gas and oil- yes, and Japan maintains good relations with Arab exporters. But Islam – no, and Muslim immigration- neither. Islam is something that is suitable for others, not for Japan, and therefore the Muslims must remain outside.

And Muslims in Japan do not riot, they do not brand the Japanese “racists”, they do not burn cars, smash windows, behead Japanese soldiers for having been in Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else on Earth – and not a single Japanese has been victim of a Muslim terrorist attack on Japanese soil in the last 30 years.

Maybe Europe and the USA should look at the Japanese model of dealing with Muslims more closely?

Good to know that Europe is an island with small borders to protect against people trying to get illegally with no predominantly Muslim country nearby.

Really you need to convince me that terrorists can't get in illegally. They only need to be in a few days to carry out an attack and Europe struggles to find people working for years.

Also another country with no attacks by Islamic terrorists is Ireland unless I am forgetting something. Maybe what we have is fine or maybe Daesh don'the care about either country very much. I am all for looking at options like Japan's policy but you need an actual argument to back it up rather than just sending up shrill calls of close the border.

I have set up my argument that would only slow down Daesh from entering Europe and give them a lot more people to recruit from in a much easier fashion (as they won'the be surrounded by Western culture and may depend on them for food and shelter meaning they only hear what they have to say). What is your or anyone's counter to it?

Yosef.coen

beard_grower wrote: »

how do israel manage to prevent attacks from IS , surely they would be a higher target for IS than france

Israel is a target alright but for now we are down the pecking order until ISIL consolidate their position in Syria. There is also the fact that attacking it is much much harder then say attacking France, even if Israel is up the road from ISIL and France is on another contintant. Tells you all you need to know about French security or lack of. Israel has to deal with the same mentality e.g Hamas however right on the door step. There is no negotiation with these nutters.

Junkyard Tom

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Perhaps now the world will see what israel has to put up with on a daily basis.

The Palestinians have to put with a lot more than the Israelis what with the mass murder at the hands of the IDF and all that. The Israeli state doesn't give a fuck about peace and long ago traded it for the continuing occupation and colonization of the West Bank and throttling of Gaza.

Yosef.coen

Nodin wrote: »

...an occupied population pissed off at being colonised? We've seen them on the TV allright. If Israel went back to their own side of the 67 border you might not have to see them all the time.

Your point is noted but not really worthy of a response at its naive in the extreme. As if Arab anti semtism started post 67. Ha! They tried to wipe us out in that war yet 'the Jews' are the bad guys!

kupus

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The Palestinians have to put with a lot more than the Israelis what with the mass murder at the hands of the IDF and all that.

And if the arab world had anything to do with it if they could do it......
It would be the extinction of the jewish race.

six of one half dozen of the other.

Junkyard Tom

Yosef.coen wrote: »

Your point is noted but not really worthy of a response at its naive in the extreme. As if Arab anti semtism started post 67. Ha! They tried to wipe is out in that war yet 'the Jews' are the bad guys!

Most people including Ireland were very supportive of the Israelis at that time. Not so much now with the vicious treatment meted out on the Palestinians and denial of statehood.

kupus wrote: »

six of one half dozen of the other.

Bollocks. On the one hand you have the mass murder, dispossession, despair, and ongoing colonization of Palestinians in defiance of international law and on the other hand you have Israel where none of that is happening.