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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #5492
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    And yet you still have no ability to separate the actions of a few ultra-extremist nutters with the rest of the billion Muslims or even the 13 million in the EU. Your education failed you.

    The difference -
    They were acting out the Qorans instructions so are good Muslims by definition.

    People who call themselves Christian carrying out the same actions cannot be Christian by definition.


  • #5493
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Isaiah wrote: »
    They are not Christians by definition. You cannot be Christian and racist, or engage in killing. It's A-OK with Mohammed though.

    No true Scostman fallacy. Learn your fallacies bible-thumper.


  • #5494
    nxbyveromdwjpg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Isaiah wrote: »
    They are not Christians by definition.

    They say they are.

    It must be incredibly frustrating as an christian racist terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the society, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them.

    Something something, monty python quote.


  • #5495
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    What? All Christians are like these ones?
    They must be, it's ok to generalise about groups of people from the actions of minorities remember.


  • #5496
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I doubt they though you that rubbish in uni. I went to uni too, it wasn't one building though, it was spread out over a campus.

    You mean the history of Europe and the middle east is rubbish?


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  • #5497
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Isaiah wrote: »
    The difference -
    They were acting out the Qorans instructions so are good Muslims by definition.

    People who call themselves Christian carrying out the same actions cannot be Christian by definition.

    Surely a highly educated University man like yourself is aware of this:

    No true Scotsman


  • #5498
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »
    You're dealing with a christian fanatic there bible basher there who's hated muslims for a long, long time by the sounds of him, and must be delighted now he gets to use these attacks as an opportunity to bring up everything they've been associated with since the dawn of time.

    I am neither a Christian fanatic or a bible basher. I do not hate Muslims. I hate Islam (The Ideology). Muslims are people and I have love for all people except of course murders/rapists etc.

    I merely listed off some dates of actual things that happened.


  • #5499
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Isaiah wrote: »
    They are not Christians by definition. You cannot be Christian and racist, or engage in killing. It's A-OK with Mohammed though.
    I know you are an expert on Islam because you went to university so forgive me when I point out that racism is not ok in Islam. (I have degrees so I assume you'll take me seriously).


  • #5500
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    No true Scostman fallacy. Learn your fallacies bible-thumper.

    I referenced dates in history and you call me a bible thumper?


  • #5501
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    I know you are an expert on Islam because you went to university so forgive me when I point out that racism is not ok in Islam. (I have degrees so I assume you'll take me seriously).

    It's not about education. I was asked if I pulled the dates from facebook, I said no I read them in books and studied history in Uni. I made no attempt to paint myself as an expert.


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  • #5502
    Yosef.coen
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭Yosef.coen


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The Palestinians have to put with a lot more than the Israelis what with the mass murder at the hands of the IDF and all that. The Israeli state doesn't give a fuck about peace and long ago traded it for the continuing occupation and colonization of the West Bank and throttling of Gaza.

    Your deflection, lies and goal post moving is impressive. However it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.


  • #5503
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Isaiah wrote: »
    I made no attempt to paint myself as an expert.
    So you were just making categorical statements about something you don't know that much about.


  • #5504
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Carlee Tart Wedding wrote: »
    They say they are.

    It must be incredibly frustrating as an christian racist terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the society, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them.

    Something something, monty python quote.
    My point is that the doctrine is different. The people may call themselves what they want but the Extremists muslims are not licking it off the stones. It has a source, the qoran.

    A Christian by definition will be peaceful if they obey Christs commands.

    A Muslim by definition is will not be peaceful if they obey Mohammeds commands.

    Islam is a dangerous doctrines that is not compatible with life. It's a death cult.


  • #5505
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Isaiah wrote: »
    You mean the history of Europe and the middle east is rubbish?
    Your interpretation of it is.


  • #5506
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    They must be, it's ok to generalise about groups of people from the actions of minorities remember.

    They are true Christians. The other Christians just don't get it and will come around to the WASP way or should be murdered.
    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

    If Isaiah was a true Christian he'd be spending most of his day murdering people.


  • #5507
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    So you were just making categorical statements about something you don't know that much about.

    Excuse me? I gave dates and events in history ? Are you disputing the fact that the Muslims invaded many Christian nations before the crusades? Or are you simply attacking my character and trying to dissect each sentence I write in order to try tear me down as most Liberals do when they have no actual response to the actual arguement being made?


  • #5508
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    wes wrote: »
    If you want to go that far back, you do realize that Muslims were hardly the only Religious group running around invading. BTW, your list treats Muslims as a singular group, which is nonsense, it would be the equivalent of referring to French and British invasions solely as Christian invasions for example.

    BTW, your beloved Crusaders sacked Constantinople (and ate people, and wiped out Christians and Jews as well as Muslims), great help those guys were........

    Trying to deflect from the fact that your beloved muslims constantly expanded through war and terror long before the crusades and that islam has never been a "religion of peace"....as many of it's exponents love to say.


  • #5509
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    They are true Christians. The other Christians just don't get it and will come around to the WASP way or should be murdered.



    If Isaiah was a true Christian he'd be spending most of his day murdering people.

    Isaiah got murderd in that book, I couldnt read anymore.


  • #5510
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    They are true Christians. The other Christians just don't get it and will come around to the WASP way or should be murdered.
    Definitely. Any other thinking is just PC gone mad.


  • #5511
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    They are true Christians. The other Christians just don't get it and will come around to the WASP way or should be murdered.



    If Isaiah was a true Christian he'd be spending most of his day murdering people.

    Christs never made one negative commandment.

    Love thy neighbour as thyself and love they God, do not kill, do not steal, do not commit adultary.

    Believe in Jesus as the only way to the father.

    These are the ONLY commandments. So which of them is telling me to murder?


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  • #5512
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Your interpretation of it is.
    So one should not apply logic to a sequence of events?

    Who attacked who first ? given a set of dates and events?

    It's pretty obvious but then agian it seems even the obvious escapes some people.


  • #5513
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Isaiah wrote: »
    Excuse me? I gave dates and events in history ? Are you disputing the fact that the Muslims invaded many Christian nations before the crusades? Or are you simply attacking my character and trying to dissect each sentence I write in order to try tear me down as most Liberals do when they have no actual response to the actual arguement being made?
    No I was just pointing out that you don't really know what you're talking about in terms of your claim about racism being ok in Islam. But hey, 'accuse' me of being a liberal if that makes you feel better.


  • #5514
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Isaiah wrote: »
    Christs never made one negative commandment.

    Love thy neighbour as thyself and love they God, do not kill, do not steal, do not commit adultary.

    Believe in Jesus as the only way to the father.

    These are the ONLY commandments. So which of them is telling me to murder?

    Matthew 15:4-7


  • #5515
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    The 'wonderful' thing about ancient religious texts is that you can twist them in any direction you so wish because they're so full of inconsistency and contradiction. Love/forgive thine enemy on the one hand and put all non-believers to death on the other.


  • #5516
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Isaiah wrote: »
    Christs never made one negative commandment.

    Love thy neighbour as thyself and love they God, do not kill, do not steal, do not commit adultary.

    Believe in Jesus as the only way to the father.

    These are the ONLY commandments. So which of them is telling me to murder?
    Matthew 10: 34-39 wrote:
    34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
    .


  • #5517
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    No I was just pointing out that you don't really know what you're talking about in terms of your claim about racism being ok in Islam. But hey, 'accuse' me of being a liberal if that makes you feel better.

    Ok so just say it, instead of tyring to make vague snide comments.

    Islam considers all non Muslims to be inferior. They must submit.

    Christians consider ALL men equal before God. Believers and non believers.


  • #5518
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Trying to deflect from the fact that your beloved muslims constantly expanded through war and terror long before the crusades and that islam has never been a "religion of peace"....as many of it's exponents love to say.

    Deflecting what exactly? The post I replied specifically brought up the crusades, and I pointed out that the crusaders happily butchered Christians and Jews, and even committed genocide against other Christians.

    Also, before you accuse me whataboutery, I am not the one who brought up the crusades and Christian violence, I was replying to another poster who was defending a group of genocidal Religious fanatics they just so happen to support, but then they were Christian nutters, so that is a ok in your book?

    Who on this thread used the term "religion of peace" btw? You seem to be having an argument with some kind of straw man or something....... You really need to try harder Blaas, making stuff up and arguing against, now come on, no one is going to fall for that crap.


  • #5519
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Isaiah wrote: »
    Ok so just say it, instead of tyring to make vague snide comments.
    I'm not trying to make vague snide comments, I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about.
    Islam considers all non Muslims to be inferior. They must submit.
    That isn't racism.
    Christians consider ALL men equal before God. Believers and non believers.
    Great.


  • #5520
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

    These are all statements regarding how to follow Christ is to be hated, because there are many wicked, corrupted and negative people in the world. The more Christlike one becomes, the more these people of the world will despise you.

    His ideas were revolutionary, they set people against each other in the Jewish community.

    So where is the commandment to Kill?


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  • #5521
    Isaiah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 300 ✭✭Isaiah


    OK some of use have jobs. Remember fellas the post off closes at 5:50PM so do try get some sleep or you will miss your dole collections.


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