Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

MPFGLB · 18-11-2015 03:11AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

No.

Just no.

I was asked my opinion.
I gave my opinion.

Agree or disagree, I don't care either way, but if you are not prepared to do so as an adult without snide comments and back handed insults then talk to someone else please because I have no interest in a slagging match with anyone.

Who is having a slagging match ? What have I said that is not 'adult' ?
If you are going to put your opinions out there then grow a pair because not everyone is going to think your points make sense

flouncer · 18-11-2015 03:13AM

MPFGLB wrote: »

Oh Jasus ... .where to start

Well my immediate fear IS ISIS ...and not just for me in London but for everyone in Europe, ME & Africa

ISIS are an 'opportunity'...tell that to the dead in Paris ...while you really go on fearing the people who need these 'boogey men'. Well I will go on fearing the real horror =ISIS. And ISIS are real and are killing people right now ...Everyone is their target ...But hey as long as the west respect everyone we should be ok ????

well you continue to put the world to rights while in the mean time pragmatists who live in the real world need to defeat ISIS ...

You speak like someone who knows nothing about real decision making

strangely you sound like someone who is used to decision making which is incredibly worrying. you have a poster who describes pointed attacks rather than obliterating neighborhoods with women and children, in return building generations of family hatred. what the poster described is you use skilled teams to take out the leaders and the muffins underneath don't know what they are fighting for. you continue this bomb anywhere campaign, then do you honestly think paris is the last incident we will see?

Bannasidhe · 18-11-2015 03:18AM

MPFGLB wrote: »

You speak like someone who knows nothing about real decision making

MPFGLB wrote: »

Who is having a slagging match ? What have I said that is not 'adult' ?
If you are going to put your opinions out there then grow a pair because not everyone is going to think your points make sense

See that bit I quoted?

Unnecessary.

You don't agree - fine. Although since I made it clear that was my fear I am not sure why you got your bowels in an uproar. So its not your fear. That's grand. No reason why it should be.

But then you had to go and get an ol personal dig in.

And now I have to 'grow a pair' apparently.

Yup. Very 'adult'.

jackofalltrades · 18-11-2015 03:21AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

By the by - Abraham features heavily in Islamic tradition - ancestor of Muhammad, founder/father of it all etc etc so surely he is fair game.
Perhaps he is the source of Daesh's murderous treatment of children and taking of sex slaves. He did set a precedence after all.

The Quran is Daesh's inspiration for taking sex slaves. They've said it themselves.

My name is URL · 18-11-2015 03:23AM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'm glad to have taught you a new word. Anyway, coming from an uncritical supporter of union/loyalist terrorism I would consider your condemnation of me rather flaccid.

Speaking of loyalist terrorism and general scumbaggery

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/video-ballymena-family-targeted-in-religious-hate-crime-1-7069457

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2015/11/17/news/outrage-over-call-to-hunt-refugees-from-loyalist-districts-325621/?mc_cid=a7d1969d28&mc_eid=d71377dc54

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 18-11-2015 03:27AM

Wx wrote: »

Well articulated. I thought Justine and Claire were far ahead of the 2 males on Vb

Any chance people could be persuaded to use Daesh in future to try and break the link with Islam which is only helping to tar the 99% with the actions of the 1%

Trying, it's such a nicer word to use :P

jackofalltrades · 18-11-2015 03:32AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

At the present moment in history Islam appears to be holding and retaining the World Cup in the competition between the Abrahamic religions to determine which can produce the greatest volume of religiously insane, homicidal nut cases. But that doesn't mean the other two haven't held it in the past or won games themselves in recent times.

Why do you feel the need to qualify the first sentence? Can it not be said on it's own?

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Those who live in the more extreme Islamic states can hardly be said to be living in 'the modern world'. The small percentage of Muslims who are fundamentalists don't want to live in the modern world. Although they have that in common with the fundamentalists of any religion.

What do you consider a small minority?
Because I've seen polls in some countries that dispel the myth of the small minority.

MPFGLB · 18-11-2015 03:35AM

flouncer wrote: »

strangely you sound like someone who is used to decision making which is incredibly worrying. you have a poster who describes pointed attacks rather than obliterating neighborhoods with women and children, in return building generations of family hatred. what the poster described is you use skilled teams to take out the leaders and the muffins underneath don't know what they are fighting for. you continue this bomb anywhere campaign, then do you honestly think paris is the last incident we will see?

Oh dear

where did I or anyone else on here suggest the obliteration of neighborhoods
or bomb every where ....

But hey its seems disagreeing with you or the guy who doesn't like to be contradicted means only one outcome ..Armageddon...like what we have now isn't the worst imaginable scenario

Well here's what ....you talk ad infinitum about how we in the west should improve, how the powers in west are the bad guys , and ISIS is an opportunity and I will debate with some realists

bodhrandude · 18-11-2015 03:36AM

Was looking at the PROC thread in the Langers forum and didn't realise that the security guard that detected the suicide bomber outside the football stadium was also a Muslim, he averted a bigger catastrophe yet this is completely ignored in the media. http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5609390&postcount=103

ceadaoin. · 18-11-2015 03:41AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Was looking at the PROC thread in the Langers forum and didn't realise that the security guard that detected the suicide bomber outside the football stadium was also a Muslim, he averted a bigger catastrophe yet this is completely ignored in the media. http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5609390&postcount=103

No it wasn't ignored, it was widely reported. As it turns out, it's not true anyway

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34845882

A compelling story about a heroic Muslim security guard stopping a suicide bomber from entering the Stade de France on Friday, saving perhaps hundreds of lives, is making the rounds on social media. But it's not true.
The rumour sprang from a gripping account of the events outside the stadium which was published by the Wall Street Journal on Sunday. The story quoted a security guard who asked to only be identified by his first name, Zouheir. The man described how one of the suicide attackers had a ticket to the match between France and Germany, but was turned away from the gates when guards found his explosive vest. The man backed away from security guards and detonated the explosives.
Zouheir gave a detailed account of events at the stadium, statements that were confirmed to the Wall Street Journal reporters by a police officer. But although the story relied on his account, it wasn't actually him who turned away the bomber - a detail that was confirmed to BBC Trending by Journal reporter Joshua Robinson. Instead, Zouheir was stationed elsewhere in the stadium, and related what he heard from colleagues who were closer to the bomb blast. And although his name is of Middle Eastern origin, his religion was never mentioned in the piece.

Facekicking 2 The Future · 18-11-2015 03:55AM

It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

It's like a bad Monty Python sketch:

"We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it."

"No you didn't."

"Wait, what? Yes we did..."

"No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons."

"WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers."

"No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so."

"Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."

"Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that's why you did this. We're sorry."

"What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"

"Listen, it's our fault. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."

"Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we're not going to let you take it away from us."

"No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."

"OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?"

Samaris · 18-11-2015 04:28AM

I don't agree with your interpretation...but I was totally amused by how you put it across :P

Rayne Wooney · 18-11-2015 04:38AM

If I had a euro for every time I've seen "not all Muslims are terrorists" as if it's some kind of revelation in the past couple of days I'd be on a yacht beside my Greek island with my Russian supermodel girlfriend right now, it's something I thought would be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

There's a billion of them, obviously a percentage will be extremist nutjobs, just like a percentage of every other religion are nutjobs

Edit: and the non religious too

Healio · 18-11-2015 05:33AM

Two diverted planes:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/17/world/air-france-flight-diverted/index.html

And

Shootings in Paris Suburb

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/17/world/paris-attacks/index.html?sr=twcnni111815paris-attacks0432AMVODtopLink&linkId=18836289

Samaris · 18-11-2015 05:39AM

It appears so far that the two diverted planes were a particularly cruel hoax (god, these people..) and the shooting was part of a security operation.

People are incredibly on edge (unsurprisingly).

MadsL · 18-11-2015 06:05AM

ihatemyfish wrote: »

According to a poll conducted by Pew Research, 564 million Muslims believe in death for apostasy. That is not a small percentage of fundamentalists.

I cannot link myself but you find all the data on Muslims and their beliefs on Pews site.

I'm sure they did not poll 564m people! However...

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

According to newly released data that the Pew Research Center collected in 11 countries with significant Muslim populations, people from Nigeria to Jordan to Indonesia overwhelmingly expressed negative views of ISIS.

MadsL · 18-11-2015 06:10AM

ihatemyfish wrote: »

According to a poll conducted by Pew Research, 564 million Muslims believe in death for apostasy. That is not a small percentage of fundamentalists.

I cannot link myself but you find all the data on Muslims and their beliefs on Pews site.

Found it. Not quite what you said at all;

Egyptian Muslims also back criminalizing apostasy, or leaving Islam for another religion. An overwhelming majority of Egyptian Muslims (88%), say converting away from Islam should be punishable by death. Among the 37 countries where the question was asked, a median of 28% of Muslims say apostates should be subject to the death penalty.

Yosef.coen · 18-11-2015 06:31AM

Interesting thread, however there appears a willingness on some to wilfully not understand the nature of Jihad. Such ideology, evil and hate has no place in the civilised world. I'm sure we can all agree on that and stop useless obfuscating.

Witchie · 18-11-2015 07:15AM

Seems, according to a few sources, the guy who masterminded the attacks on Friday, is holed up in the apartment in Saint Denis.

Hearing on twitter from Jester that there are possibly 5 terrorists holed up in there with significant amounts of guns and bombs.

Could get even messier.

Eugene Norman · 18-11-2015 07:35AM

Facekicking 2 The Future wrote: »

It must be incredibly frustrating as an Islamic terrorist not to have your views and motives taken seriously by the societies you terrorize, even after you have explicitly and repeatedly stated them. Even worse, those on the regressive left, in their endless capacity for masochism and self-loathing, have attempted to shift blame inwardly on themselves, denying the terrorists even the satisfaction of claiming responsibility.

It's like a bad Monty Python sketch:

"We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it."

"No you didn't."

"Wait, what? Yes we did..."

"No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons."

"WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers."

"No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so."

"Huh!? Who are you to tell us we're not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being."

"Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that's why you did this. We're sorry."

"What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians - disenfranchisement doesn't even enter into it!"

"Listen, it's our fault. We don't blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out."

"Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we're not going to let you take it away from us."

"No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame."

"OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?"

You should attribute that.

Witchie · 18-11-2015 07:36AM

Explosions have gone off.

Mountainsandh · 18-11-2015 07:36AM

Schools there (st Denis) are closed, all public transport affected, and planes are not supposed to fly over, so he must have a good arsenal.
And I think there's the worry of not being sure about numbers.

Witchie · 18-11-2015 07:38AM

Rumours now that the cowardly bast4rds have detonated their suicide vests or flash bangs as cops entered.

Timberrrrrrrr · 18-11-2015 07:39AM

Witchie wrote: »

Explosions have gone off.

Sounded like flash bangs followed by police gunfire, reckon they have gone in and took them out.

Witchie · 18-11-2015 07:43AM

Jester saying unconfirmed death of woman with suicide vest.

Witchie · 18-11-2015 07:50AM

Latest from Jester on twitter.

strelok · 18-11-2015 07:57AM

"Jester actual"

"three tangos"

jesus christ, **** off walter.

Witchie · 18-11-2015 07:59AM

He usually has updates before anyone else in fairness. Followed him after Boston Marathon bombing and he is quite a good source.

marklazarcovic · 18-11-2015 07:59AM

Passer by killed its saying on sky..a passer by? Really

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 18-11-2015 08:34AM

Carlee Noisy Screenplay wrote: »

WTF are you talking about? No they don't... They are rightly pissed off that there was no minute of silence for their own dead, 20+ people killed, nobody gives a flying fiddlers about them.

With sensationalist bullshíttery like your post, and those who jump right on the band wagon, it's no wonder ignorance is thriving...

No facebook flags for those poor bastards. It's not in line with the "Wests" agenda. Paris was terrible, but Turkey was just some bla bla event that won't help fuel the next war. Shíts given? Zero.

Muslims HATE ISIS...
Being Muslim does not make you a terrorist, but some terrorists are Muslims (It's tough, but stick with it, it will eventually make sense).

Keyboard warriors all over the internet calling for Muslims to be deported. How the F do you deport an entire religion? Others calling for nukes to be dropped on the middle east. like all of it? The entire region? Christ on a bike. There's too many negative, "can't think for myself", people on this planet, and they are more dangerous than any organisation.

Such authoritative statements quickly excusing the behaviour of the fans and dismissing the widely reported reasons for that behaviour, when really you haven't any more of a clue than anyone else why they did it, you weren't at the match mingling with the Turks were you?

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