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Ferrybank Shopping Centre - Again

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    #602
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    7upfree wrote: »
    Dunmore Road.................................................

    I meant in the sense of built too many and they were unsold ,unfinished and derelict ,but you have a point


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    #603
    iseegirls
    Registered Users Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    psnKOB79LFC wrote: »
    Thats simply wrong; the Dunnes shop in Ferrybank was 66,736 feet alone (not the entire shopping centre)

    Really? So the Dunnes in Ferrybank would have been the exact same size as the whole of City Square?? That seems crazy to have built it so big.


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    #604
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    Maybe the next extension to WIT?

    There are also a number of Live/work spaces that were built within the complex.


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    #605
    robtri
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    wellboytoo wrote: »
    I meant in the sense of built too many and they were unsold ,unfinished and derelict ,but you have a point

    there where a few at the end of the boom.... luckily now they have in the most part being finished... all over the Carrick pherish road off top of my head....


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    #606
    fuzzy dunlop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    TrustedApple wrote: »
    Heres a crazy idea for the place they should turn it into Offices for IT company's, Start ups and so.

    Like they try make it like City Gate in Mathan in Cork some business complex just endless offices. That could have easily been a shopping center and they could put a few coffee shops into it as well.

    Done right you could get 600+ jobs out of this place. They could even put some of WIT into the place as its in a better spot for more classes then there sports complex


    I suspect this will ultimately be destiny of this development. I think if the North Quays developments get going it will be the ultimate salvation for Ferrybank and the Ard Ri site. Not as a shopping centre though.


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    #607
    7upfree
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    robtri wrote: »
    there where a few at the end of the boom.... luckily now they have in the most part being finished... all over the Carrick pherish road off top of my head....

    Only some on the Carrickphierish Road and a few in the McDonalds place out by John's Park.


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    #608
    cookie.monster
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    7upfree wrote: »
    Only some on the Carrickphierish Road and a few in the McDonalds place out by John's Park.
    kill st lawrence don't ya mean, they are goin to build more soon at the end of the estate, they have containers down there at the moment


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    #609
    robtri
    Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    7upfree wrote: »
    Only some on the Carrickphierish Road and a few in the McDonalds place out by John's Park.
    there was lot when it crashed.....


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    #610
    7upfree
    Registered Users Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭7upfree


    robtri wrote: »
    there was lot when it crashed.....

    Not compared to other cities and towns. Waterford got away light. There was also a few out in Carraig an Ard (by the Six Cross Roads Business Park).


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    #611
    fuzzy dunlop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    7upfree wrote: »
    Not compared to other cities and towns. Waterford got away light. There was also a few out in Carraig an Ard (by the Six Cross Roads Business Park).


    True if you live in Waterford it may seem a lot but it is absolutely nothing when you see what was done in parts of Kildare and the Midlands. I have seen some real sh!tholes on the outskirts of Portlaoise that would make someone weep. The last place I lived in Kildare had an entire estate the size of larchville with only a few people living there.


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    #612
    kayaksurfbum
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    Check out the levels

    ghostestatespercounty_perthoupop.jpg

    I remember cycling through leitrim a few years ago, it was insane the amount of unfinished estates and commercial units. One town had a massive unfinished hotel and about 200 houses, the town was about the size of Dunhill!


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    #613
    robtri
    Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    kayaksurfbum wrote: »
    Check out the levels

    ghostestatespercounty_perthoupop.jpg

    I remember cycling through leitrim a few years ago, it was insane the amount of unfinished estates and commercial units. One town had a massive unfinished hotel and about 200 houses, the town was about the size of Dunhill!

    Interesting.. hard to tell but I would say Waterford City is above average!!!!


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    #614
    fuzzy dunlop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    robtri wrote: »
    Interesting.. hard to tell but I would say Waterford City is above average!!!!

    Strange conclusion to come to. 19 counties higher then Waterford some astronomically so. About eight lower most of which are marginally so. Waterford isn't even above average in the Souh East.......


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    #615
    BBM77
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    fuzzy dunlop wrote: »
    Strange conclusion to come to. 19 counties higher then Waterford some astronomically so. About eight lower most of which are marginally so. Waterford isn't even above average in the Souh East.......

    Where would Boards.ie be without strange conclusions :)


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    #616
    hardybuck
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    Ghost estates are generally in rural areas which developers hoped demand would spread to but never did.

    That's why places like Roscommon, Sligo, Longford and Leitrim totally distort that table.

    What is apparent from that table is that Waterford City and County didn't do too badly compared with other counties which are very rural.

    Waterford has the highest levels of the seven councils which have a city element.


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    #617
    wellboytoo
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    Ghost estates are generally in rural areas which developers hoped demand would spread to but never did.

    That's why places like Roscommon, Sligo, Longford and Leitrim totally distort that table.

    What is apparent from that table is that Waterford City and County didn't do too badly compared with other counties which are very rural.

    Waterford has the highest levels of the seven councils which have a city element.

    I would venture to suggest that Kilkenny's high showing is mostly in the Ferrybank area where they shovelled housing in with no regard to anything only contributions,knowing all the liabilities would fall on another body.


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    #618
    7upfree
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    wellboytoo wrote: »
    I would venture to suggest that Kilkenny's high showing is mostly in the Ferrybank area where they shovelled housing in with no regard to anything only contributions,knowing all the liabilities would fall on another body.

    Well said. Gombeen politics at their very worst.


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    #619
    robtri
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    wellboytoo wrote: »
    I would venture to suggest that Kilkenny's high showing is mostly in the Ferrybank area where they shovelled housing in with no regard to anything only contributions,knowing all the liabilities would fall on another body.
    how many ghost estates are in ferrybank???


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    #620
    7upfree
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    robtri wrote: »
    how many ghost estates are in ferrybank???

    Three alone in the vicinity of Aldi. Clover Meadows, and two behind Aldi. Fair number of houses unsold. Plus some on the way up to Abbey Park.


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    #621
    wellboytoo
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    robtri wrote: »
    how many ghost estates are in ferrybank???

    Do you live out of town? Have you not seen the bases of houses in the ground with weeds growing on them?


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    #622
    Jambo
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    7upfree wrote: »
    Three alone in the vicinity of Aldi. Clover Meadows, and two behind Aldi. Fair number of houses unsold. Plus some on the way up to Abbey Park.

    There's no ghost estate's near ALDI and that's coming from a resident.

    The Crescent is fully occupied, Aylesbury has maybe one or two houses in the process of being sold and Clover Meadows is almost completely full as is Oakridge.


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    #623
    robtri
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    wellboytoo wrote: »
    Do you live out of town? Have you not seen the bases of houses in the ground with weeds growing on them?

    all cleaned up.... no different than carrickpherish road....

    its all occupied over there...


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    #624
    7upfree
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    robtri wrote: »
    all cleaned up.... no different than carrickpherish road....

    its all occupied over there...

    Not if you drive up Abbey Road. Plus the unfinished bases at Aylesbury. And Clover Meadows.......


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    #625
    Jambo
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    7upfree wrote: »
    Not if you drive up Abbey Road. Plus the unfinished bases at Aylesbury. And Clover Meadows.......

    Unfinished base at Aylesbury were removed by the council months ago , ones in Clover meadows are behind the bottom of the estate ( on the railway side) and cant be seen from the road.


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    #626
    wellboytoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭wellboytoo


    Jambo wrote: »
    Unfinished base at Aylesbury were removed by the council months ago , ones in Clover meadows are behind the bottom of the estate ( on the railway side) and cant be seen from the road.

    Yes but this whole discussion is on where we were when that report was issued , some years ago, and as you say We "the Council as in Waterford " have cleaned up someone's else's sh1t


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    #627
    bilibob
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    wellboytoo wrote: »
    Yes but this whole discussion is on where we were when that report was issued , some years ago, and as you say We "the Council as in Waterford " have cleaned up someone's else's sh1t


    That's completely false Wellboytoo. Kilkenny County Council took charge od Clover Meadows three years ago now. They planted the trees and fixed lighting. The whole estate is completely occupied and is very well managed by its residents association. There are only two houses for sale there now, both being sold privately, and both were occupied.

    Aylesbury, which was in Nama and was the last to be made available for sale is almost completely occupied. There aren't any new houses available for sale.

    In the mean time Kilkenny County council has funded a library, the Hillsfield community centre and supported a huge number of community organisations. people from across Waterford city come to Ferrybank for classes in the Library as they aren't provided in Waterford.

    They are also in the process of building a park on unfinished part of Aylesbury, a greenway on the trainline and cyclepaths/ traffic calming on both the Belmont road and the Abbey road. These are the already in progress. Waterfords boundary (and funding- and cleaning up) stops just at the post office. They have certainly not cleaned up any ferrybank sh1t, and daresay they could do more to clean up the Carrickpherish road and the unfinished estates out the back of Ballybeg.


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    #628
    fuzzy dunlop
    Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    bilibob wrote: »
    In the mean time Kilkenny County council has funded a library .

    Not true! Central government under the aegis of Phil Hogan funded a library. And the sole reason for this was to provide a tenant for the shopping center so it could be declared as "open". In other words seed money for a private development.The kinda thing FG would have a hissy fit over if FF had done it. This kinda makes some some of your other claims suspicious to the park and the greenway particularly with regard. Anyway it is about time KK council did something over there. They gave the planning permission for these structures.And wellboy is right all too often Waterford City Council was providing services and works over there because KK council could not be relied upon to do it. KK council operates with no regard for proper planning hence the anachronism that is Ferrybank Shopping Center.


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    #629
    robtri
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    wellboytoo wrote: »
    Yes but this whole discussion is on where we were when that report was issued , some years ago, and as you say We "the Council as in Waterford " have cleaned up someone's else's sh1t

    yes it is same as Waterford city... so KK council have done nothing more than Waterford city....


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    #630
    robtri
    Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    fuzzy dunlop wrote: »
    Not true! Central government under the aegis of Phil Hogan funded a library. And the sole reason for this was to provide a tenant for the shopping center so it could be declared as "open". In other words seed money for a private development.The kinda thing FG would have a hissy fit over if FF had done it. This kinda makes some some of your other claims suspicious to the park and the greenway particularly with regard. Anyway it is about time KK council did something over there. They gave the planning permission for these structures.And wellboy is right all too often Waterford City Council was providing services and works over there because KK council could not be relied upon to do it. KK council operates with no regard for proper planning hence the anachronism that is Ferrybank Shopping Center.

    just no, no and no.....
    Waterford have provided some services at the request of KK and they paid them for it.. and don't forget Waterford cit is responsible for certain areas over there...
    Soem waterford people really have a chip on the shoulder ....


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    #631
    7upfree
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    Jambo wrote: »
    Unfinished base at Aylesbury were removed by the council months ago , ones in Clover meadows are behind the bottom of the estate ( on the railway side) and cant be seen from the road.

    Unfinished houses facing onto Abbey Road opposite Ard Glas.

    Unfinished estate where the unused shopping centre is near Abbey Park.


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