Dublin is an unadulterated kip

Billy86 · 02-11-2015 03:18AM

Simon2015 wrote: »

Other cities in the world don't have half as many Junkies as we have.

Dublin is like the Junkie capital of Europe.

Fancy finding anything to back that up beyond "I walked down O'Connell Street yesterday and..." ?

Because a very quick Googling suggests Oslo for heroin, Antwerp or London for cocaine, and the UK seems to be top in general for abuse of hard drugs.

What invisible straw next then, Simon? Nobody is homeless outside of Dublin? Dublin is the capital of Europe for burglaries? Dublin's infamous race riots?

Billy86 · 02-11-2015 03:36AM

Let's play a game of 'find the Dublin'

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-05-28/europe-samples-sewage-water-to-find-its-biggest-drug-cities

"Overall, the new European study found that use of cocaine and ecstasy is most common in Western Europe, while methamphetamine use is heaviest in Eastern Europe.

Here, in order, are the cities whose wastewater had the highest levels of each drug tested:
• Cocaine: Antwerp; Amsterdam; Zurich; London; Barcelona;
• Amphetamines: Eindhoven, Netherlands; Antwerp; Gothenburg, Sweden; Ninove, Belgium; Deurne, Belgium;
• Methamphetamines: Prague; Oslo; Budweis, Czech Republic; Bratislava, Slovakia; Dresden, Germany;
• Ecstasy: Eindhoven, Netherlands; Utrecht, Netherlands; Amsterdam; Antwerp; Zurich;
• Cannabis: Novi Sad, Serbia; Amsterdam; Paris; Antwerp; Utrecht, Netherlands."

keithclancy · 02-11-2015 11:27AM

Almere is a bit of a kip as well.

https://www.google.nl/maps/@52.3691161,5.2153207,3a,51y,91.15h,66.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXX38EsJOtmx55KHfGPXr4w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Simon2015 · 02-11-2015 02:34PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Fancy finding anything to back that up beyond "I walked down O'Connell Street yesterday and..." ?

Because a very quick Googling suggests Oslo for heroin, Antwerp or London for cocaine, and the UK seems to be top in general for abuse of hard drugs.

What invisible straw next then, Simon? Nobody is homeless outside of Dublin? Dublin is the capital of Europe for burglaries? Dublin's infamous race riots?

Billy86 I think you walk around Dublin with rose tinted glasses.

I'm in Dublin city centre most days of the week.

I see first hand some of creatures who inhabit the boardwalk.

The boardwalk is fast becoming a no go area for tourists.

Also the abbey street luas stop is another area which has been taking over by Junkies.

No other city in Europe has the same level of Scumbags that Dublin has.

ScumLord · 02-11-2015 03:26PM

I was up in Dublin recently, heading from the west to the RDS. Dublin really is a nice city, it constantly surprises me how nice it is because every time I go up I'm expecting to see a city descending into hell based on what the locals say.

The trees changing colours, people feeding swans, ducks, it looked idyllic. I never see this city of decay that the locals go on about. Ye should visit some cities over in the UK, some of them are horrible. Even London can go from majestic to frightening just by turning a corner. Dublin over all as far as I could see is universally modern and clean.

The only thing that drives me crazy in Dublin (although it's a problem in the entire country) is the sign posts are sadistic. Follow the sign for N4, another sign for N4, no more signs for N4, feck you muck savage. Why do those signs bring you into the heart of the city then disapear?

testaccount123 · 02-11-2015 03:30PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I was up in Dublin recently, heading from the west to the RDS. Dublin really is a nice city, it constantly surprises me how nice it is because every time I go up I'm expecting to see a city descending into hell based on what the locals say.

You are supposed to stand on Abbey St for a few hours to get the full "experience" so you can be outraged about Junkies etc. People drinking fancy coffee on South William St or going to the Rugby in the RDS are ruining it for the Walter Mitty types

keithclancy · 02-11-2015 03:30PM

Strangest article i've seen on an accommodation website :pac:

http://www.dublinescape.com/is-dublin-safe.html

On Parnell Street, for example, you’ll notice that a surprising number of the citizens around you wear fitness clothing and have unusually shaped heads. The clothes are not, in fact, because they are sports enthusiasts, although a comfortable pair of jogging pants do allow one to outpace store detectives more easily. Likewise, the unusually shaped heads are not, as you might expect, due to childhood hammer attacks but, rather, simple interbreeding.

IRLConor · 02-11-2015 03:39PM

Simon2015 wrote: »

Its almost impossible to walk though Dublin without been harassed by Junkies or beggars.

That's nonsense. I live in Dublin 1. The boardwalk is literally outside my front door. Yes, I see junkies and beggars pretty much every day but I can't remember the last time any of them spoke to me, never mind "harassed" me.

Or do you count sitting on the ha'penny bridge mumbling "spare change for the homeless" as harassment?

partyguinness · 02-11-2015 03:47PM

It is a bit of a nonsense to suggest that Dublin has more scumbags etc.

I think the problem Dublin may have is perception. Dublin scumbags are more visible around the city center which gives the impression of a far greater population. Much more visible that in other cities IMO.

MargeS · 02-11-2015 04:05PM

I was in Dublin recently for few days and decided to take the Luas in/out of the city. My first time on the Luas.

I was harassed at the ticket machine the first morning for 'any spare change'. It's very intimidating trying to buy a ticket, when a person begging is literally standing at your shoulder while you have your purse out.
Second trip was cut short when the tram was taken out of service because of a soiled seat that was deemed to be a bio hazard.
I had to get out early on a third trip as two 'gentlemen' got on the tram at the Four courts and I thought they were going to 'kick off'. I was crammed into the tram as it was about 8:45am and would have had no where to go if anything happened.
Waiting at a tram stop, there was a woman doing the rounds begging from people standing on the platform.
On my final trip, just after the tram stopped, there was an over powering smell of alcohol in the carriage. I was abruptly asked to vacate my seat as a drunken gentleman decided he was going to sit down - one way or another. I had my back to the door, so I hadn't seen him get on the tram.

Now, I know Dublin is a city...and I know incidents happen all the time, but this was 6 luas trips in 3 days. I've been on public transport in 20+ countries and never felt as intimidated or uncomfortable.

MrMorooka · 02-11-2015 04:07PM

DrH Lecter wrote: »

Dublin isn't that bad.

Most of its crapness come from lack of awesomeness rather than actual threat to the individual.

Its nothing to write home about in both the good sense and the bad sense.

You'll generally go into the city, be annoyed by the congestion and waddling halfwits, maybe buy something nice at a disappointing price, be mildly entertained to the point of almost smiling, observe the place could do with a bit of a tidy and then return home through congestion again safe and sound but with no real desire in mind to go back again soon.

Those who have to go there regularly though have my sympathy, it becomes less and less appealing a place to go quite quickly, loses any novelty real quick.

Yeah, pretty much. On Saturday I headed into town with no particular aim, just to get out of the house and shop a bit. I picked up a Polish dictionary for €15 after trying two shops to find a decent one. Looked for a BluRay of a particular film, but there was only a DVD copy of it after checking two places, so I'll buy it online if I want it that badly. Wandered into Dunnes, was impressed by the new look of the basement SSG store, didn't buy anything. Dropped into Stock Design, lovely shop, wanted to get some lights to drape around the living room, but the only thing I found was €40, so nope. Visited The RAGE, fun to look at some retro games but they didn't have any of the couple I was vaguely interested in. Considered getting food somewhere, but why spend the money when I have stuff in the fridge back home. I wasn't hassled by anyone really. Dublin's problem is really that it's just mediocre, it's just like any mid size city in the UK, nothing particularly exceptional about it except the incredibly poor infrastructure.

testaccount123 · 02-11-2015 04:26PM

MrMorooka wrote: »

Dublin's problem is really that it's just mediocre, it's just like any mid size city in the UK

Which mid sized city in the UK has international football & rugby, eleven Michelin starred restaurants, a national concert hall and world class theatre venue, three universities, world class music acts, world class conference facilities, Europes most popular tourist attraction and, above all maybe, a buzzing seven-days-a-week pub scene like Dublins?

Things have moved on from people considering buying cheap lights or Blurays as being entertainment.

nokia69 · 02-11-2015 04:32PM

IRLConor wrote: »

That's nonsense. I live in Dublin 1. The boardwalk is literally outside my front door. Yes, I see junkies and beggars pretty much every day but I can't remember the last time any of them spoke to me, never mind "harassed" me.

Or do you count sitting on the ha'penny bridge mumbling "spare change for the homeless" as harassment?

most of the time it depends on who you are, 90% of the time Dublin junkies leave me well alone, but I'm taller and bigger than the average man and look like I can take care of myself

but I have a friend who is the opposite physically, so he gets far more trouble from junkies and scumbags, they target the weak or what they think is the weak

I would not like to be a woman or old when junkies are around looking for money

BTW I really like Dublin, but I hate the junkies

partyguinness · 02-11-2015 04:38PM

MrMorooka wrote: »

Yeah, pretty much. On Saturday I headed into town with no particular aim, just to get out of the house and shop a bit. I picked up a Polish dictionary for €15 after trying two shops to find a decent one. Looked for a BluRay of a particular film, but there was only a DVD copy of it after checking two places, so I'll buy it online if I want it that badly. Wandered into Dunnes, was impressed by the new look of the basement SSG store, didn't buy anything. Dropped into Stock Design, lovely shop, wanted to get some lights to drape around the living room, but the only thing I found was €40, so nope. Visited The RAGE, fun to look at some retro games but they didn't have any of the couple I was vaguely interested in. Considered getting food somewhere, but why spend the money when I have stuff in the fridge back home. I wasn't hassled by anyone really. Dublin's problem is really that it's just mediocre, it's just like any mid size city in the UK, nothing particularly exceptional about it except the incredibly poor infrastructure.

I will have to stop you there- I live in a mid size UK city and have been to a few and trust me- Dublin is helluva lot better. The night scene is fantastic for a start.

You do not want to be stuck living in a UK city which by and large are grey, sterile, charmless and have absolutely zero character. Yes, far better infrastructure and stuff but most are akin to Gotham City on a wet day. Soul destroying.

When I lived in Ireland I met plenty of English people who moved to Ireland for a better quality of life. How many Irish people move to England for a better quality of life (as opposed to find work)? I do not have any figures but not a lot.

For all Dublin's faults and there are many, give me Dublin any day of the week...and I'm from Cork.:D

endabob1 · 02-11-2015 04:38PM

testaccount123 wrote: »

Which mid sized city in the UK has international football & rugby, eleven Michelin starred restaurants, a national concert hall and world class theatre venue, three universities, world class music acts, world class conference facilities, Europes most popular tourist attraction and, above all maybe, a buzzing seven-days-a-week pub scene like Dublins?

Things have moved on from people considering buying cheap lights or Blurays as being entertainment.

11?
Are you sure?
There are 3 1 star and 1 2 star according to the official site....

http://www.viamichelin.co.uk/web/Restaurants/Restaurants-Dublin-_-Dublin-Ireland?strLocid=31NDFxdTMxMGNOVE11TXpRME1EYz1jTFRZdU1qWTNOamc9&stars=1

Out of interest, what is "Europes most popular tourist attraction " and where are the "world class conference facilities"
Just curious....

BTW I like Dublin, a lot. seaside location, some great pubs, really good nights out can be had, at theatre, music etc... but it certainly has its flaws

partyguinness · 02-11-2015 05:08PM

Sure, if Dublin turned into an uber efficient city full of beautiful people and sorted out all its problems it would be as boring as hell...

Dublin is small frustrating and cramped and all the rest but at least it has character....:)

ScumLord · 02-11-2015 05:09PM

MargeS wrote: »

Now, I know Dublin is a city...and I know incidents happen all the time, but this was 6 luas trips in 3 days. I've been on public transport in 20+ countries and never felt as intimidated or uncomfortable.

Lucky you. When I was in Rotterdam a fight broke out on the metro, which I was on to avoid the riot that was happening on the streets above. I say riot, but the locals seemed to be taking it in their stride as if it was normal. On the High speed train to Paris there were people drinking and doing drugs in between carriages. Great bunch of lads.

partyguinness wrote: »

I will have to stop you there- I live in a mid size UK city and have been to a few and trust me- Dublin is helluva lot better. The night scene is fantastic for a start.

You do not want to be stuck living in a UK city which by and large are grey, sterile, charmless and have absolutely zero character. Yes, far better infrastructure and stuff but most are akin to Gotham City on a wet day. Soul destroying.

I'd agree, outside of parts of London and maybe some of the more historic cities like Edinburgh, many UK cities are pretty bland. I think some of that is down to the age of their infrastructure. They were ahead of the game, which makes their infrastructure look old and tatty. When you go to boom nations like Ireland and Spain everything is brand new.

Billy86 · 02-11-2015 05:34PM

Simon2015 wrote: »

Billy86 I think you walk around Dublin with rose tinted glasses.

I'm in Dublin city centre most days of the week.

I see first hand some of creatures who inhabit the boardwalk.

The boardwalk is fast becoming a no go area for tourists.

Also the abbey street luas stop is another area which has been taking over by Junkies.

No other city in Europe has the same level of Scumbags that Dublin has.

No, I just don't walk around Dublin with an agenda to hate the place. You clearly do. Which is why the facts have been supporting my side if the argument t an not yours. Public sex not only happens in other European cities, but is actually legal. Public urination on transport happens in just about any city in the world where public transport is widely used. By no measure does Dublin have close to the worst levels of drug abuse in Europe, despite your unfounded claims.

Now go and define 'scumbag', because you'll also find that Dublin by no measure has the most in Europe.

It's nothing short of laughable how you are attempting to paint a frankly slightly dull city like Dublin as hell on earth. I would advise you to move to somewhere else if that's how you feel, but I'd be worried you might have a heart attack the first time you saw someone relieve themselves in public.

partyguinness · 02-11-2015 05:42PM

I would have to agree that scumbags/junkies or whatever you want to call the poor marginalized are certainly more prominent in Dublin. I put that down to size only (Dublin CC is quite small and cramped- there is barely room on the footpaths during summer) not that there is proportionally high number relative to other European cities.

ScumLord · 02-11-2015 05:45PM

partyguinness wrote: »

I would have to agree that scumbags/junkies or whatever you want to call the poor marginalized are certainly more prominent in Dublin. I put that down to size only (Dublin CC is quite small and cramped- there is barely room on the footpaths during summer) not that there is proportionally high number relative to other European cities.

If you go to Barcelona you can't walk down the street without being accosted by prostitutes. It's a free for all of guys selling cans/drugs/robbing people.

Go to eastern European tourist countries and you won't make it down the street without being stopped by an aggressive beggar.

J Mysterio · 02-11-2015 05:46PM

Simon2015 wrote: »

I don't think there are many other cities in the world where you would see Scumbags taking out their lad and having a piss on the bus.

Yet we have people trying to say that Dublin is not a kip:rolleyes:

https://www.facebook.com/adriankandjeremyd/photos/a.454795927967637.1073741828.454739867973243/836440909803135/?type=3

I saw someone take a sh1t in the street in Amsterdam

OldNotWIse · 02-11-2015 05:59PM

Simon2015 wrote: »

Billy86 I think you walk around Dublin with rose tinted glasses.

I'm in Dublin city centre most days of the week.

I see first hand some of creatures who inhabit the boardwalk.

The boardwalk is fast becoming a no go area for tourists.

Also the abbey street luas stop is another area which has been taking over by Junkies.

No other city in Europe has the same level of Scumbags that Dublin has.

Do you venture beyond the boardwalk and the Abbey street luas stop? Or do you, like so many people from outside Dublin, define Dublin based on your own narrow experience?

partyguinness · 02-11-2015 06:00PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I saw someone take a sh1t in the street in Amsterdam

Hush.....they probably had a north Dublin CC accent....:o

ScumLord · 02-11-2015 06:16PM

J Mysterio wrote: »

I saw someone take a sh1t in the street in Amsterdam

Is it as funny as watching someone take a piss on the streets in Amsterdam? The entire city is covered in piss traps that splash the piss back on the person doing the pissing.

MrMorooka · 02-11-2015 06:22PM

partyguinness wrote: »

I will have to stop you there- I live in a mid size UK city and have been to a few and trust me- Dublin is helluva lot better. The night scene is fantastic for a start.

I don't drink, so 'night scene' is meaningless to me.

Simon2015 · 02-11-2015 06:23PM

Billy86 wrote: »

No, I just don't walk around Dublin with an agenda to hate the place. You clearly do.

So because I tell the truth about Dublin I have an "agenda" ? What is that agenda I'm I working for the tourist board of a rival city ?

One of the main reasons I'm so critical of Dublin is because it's my home city and I hate to see it been destroyed by Scumbags.

If Dublin was a well run city you would be able to bring your kids to the boardwalk but unfortunately many parts of Dublin are now becoming no go areas because the authorities wont do anything to clean up the place.

Simon2015 · 02-11-2015 06:29PM

MargeS wrote: »

I was in Dublin recently for few days and decided to take the Luas in/out of the city. My first time on the Luas.

I was harassed at the ticket machine the first morning for 'any spare change'. It's very intimidating trying to buy a ticket, when a person begging is literally standing at your shoulder while you have your purse out.
Second trip was cut short when the tram was taken out of service because of a soiled seat that was deemed to be a bio hazard.
I had to get out early on a third trip as two 'gentlemen' got on the tram at the Four courts and I thought they were going to 'kick off'. I was crammed into the tram as it was about 8:45am and would have had no where to go if anything happened.
Waiting at a tram stop, there was a woman doing the rounds begging from people standing on the platform.
On my final trip, just after the tram stopped, there was an over powering smell of alcohol in the carriage. I was abruptly asked to vacate my seat as a drunken gentleman decided he was going to sit down - one way or another. I had my back to the door, so I hadn't seen him get on the tram.

Now, I know Dublin is a city...and I know incidents happen all the time, but this was 6 luas trips in 3 days. I've been on public transport in 20+ countries and never felt as intimidated or uncomfortable.

Unfortunately thats the reality of Dublin that many people want to deny.

They will say that you shouldn't worry because there are also Scumbags in other counties which makes it ok for us to have Scumbags here in Dublin:rolleyes:

ScumLord · 02-11-2015 06:33PM

Simon2015 wrote: »

So because I tell the truth about Dublin I have an "agenda" ? What is that agenda I'm I working for the tourist board of a rival city ?

One of the main reasons I'm so critical of Dublin is because it's my home city and I hate to see it been destroyed by Scumbags.

If Dublin was a well run city you would be able to bring your kids to the boardwalk but unfortunately many parts of Dublin are now becoming no go areas because the authorities wont do anything to clean up the place.

But the thing is, as a Dub, the bad parts jump out at you a lot more than they would to a muck savage like me, or even a tourist. I really do mean it when I say Dublin surprises me with how nice it is every time I go there. Don't get me wrong, I'd hate to live in Dublin, but I'd hate to live in just about any city. Can't do city life at all. But of all the cities I've been too all over Europe and especially in the UK, Dublin is up there with the best.

Billy86 · 02-11-2015 06:37PM

Simon2015 wrote: »

So because I tell the truth about Dublin I have an "agenda" ? What is that agenda I'm I working for the tourist board of a rival city ?

One of the main reasons I'm so critical of Dublin is because it's my home city and I hate to see it been destroyed by Scumbags.

If Dublin was a well run city you would be able to bring your kids to the boardwalk but unfortunately many parts of Dublin are now becoming no go areas because the authorities wont do anything to clean up the place.

Saying that in no other city in Europe would you see people having public sex is not telling the truth.

Saying in almost no other city would you see someone urinating on public transport is not telling the truth.

Saying Dublin has more junkies than any other city in Europe is not telling the truth.

Saying Dublin has more scumbags than any other city in Europe is not telling the truth.

I'm not saying Dublin is perfect by a long shot, but what I am saying is that you are absolutely not telling the truth about it in relation to other cities. That is why I am saying you appear to have an agenda.

ClovenHoof · 02-11-2015 06:43PM

If this thread is anything to go by, I reckon every adult male from outside of Dublin suffers from terminal stages of Pussy Boy Syndrome considering what they believe is proof of horrors in Dublin.

It really is incredible how timid, sheltered and over mammied these rural GAA lads all are!

Dublin is an unadulterated kip

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